atitool 25 beta 9

[flisko]

Where can i get this tool,i need it .I wanna burn my x1800xt :slobber:

[HousERaT]

W1zzard over at techpowerup.com hasn't released it yet for public consumption. You'll either have to get it directly from him or from someone else he's given it to.

[[XC]Atomicpineapple]

ATI Tool Beta 9 is now up for download on the techpowerup forums!

[hwgeek]

http://www.techpowerup.com/?6616

[DrJay]

Problems with changing clock speeds on X1300pro.... :(

[cantankerous]

Anyone tried this yet? On Artifact scanning I get a border around the image of pure yellow the second I click on start for artifact scanning. Very wierd pattern to say the least. If I choose old (more compatible?) scanning method I get zero artifacts even after 35 mins. No clue why the two modes are so varied. I hope someone else gets the yellow border around the box if they DON'T choose old compatibility method so I don't feel so alone here. What exactly is the difference between the two modes that varies so much in the way it scans?

On a sad note as well voltage changes are not applied to the profile on startup so we still have to manually set this each time however clocks sticked.

[deathman20]

It only supports X1800's so far ant the artifact tool doesn't work yet.

Core voltage works but memory voltage doesn't yet, it resets to 1.8V BE WARNED. Profiles work only for clocks so far, next version will have voltages applied per profile.

[cantankerous]

I thought artifact scanning DID work just perhaps not 100% as of now??

Deathman20 if you use Artifact scanner WITHOUT selecting old (more compabile?) method do you get yellow boxes surrounding the 3D image? Just want to make sure I'm on the same page as everyone else so i don't further worry about this card. I know I'm a pain in the ass but I do appreciate it dude. Thanks.

[deathman20]

I just got artifacts in the screen on mine currently even though it doesn't say theres errors it beeps as it is having errors. Havn't played around with it alot but going to check it out here in a few seconds again.

[deathman20]

Oh BTW it doesn't matter if its normal or the old more compatible mode is selected. Its still artifacts either way. W1zzard mentioned it might not work yet.

And I don't get no yellow boarder around the window either.

[ahmad]

Core voltage works but memory voltage doesn't yet, it resets to 1.8V BE WARNED. Profiles work only for clocks so far, next version will have voltages applied per profile.

Set my voltages and frequencies exactly to what I wanted them to on boot up :stick:

Great job w1zzard. Now I don't have to use that crappy ATi internal tool :D

[ken]

Anyone tried this yet? On Artifact scanning I get a border around the image of pure yellow the second I click on start for artifact scanning. Very wierd pattern to say the least. If I choose old (more compatible?) scanning method I get zero artifacts even after 35 mins. No clue why the two modes are so varied. I hope someone else gets the yellow border around the box if they DON'T choose old compatibility method so I don't feel so alone here. What exactly is the difference between the two modes that varies so much in the way it scans?

On a sad note as well voltage changes are not applied to the profile on startup so we still have to manually set this each time however clocks sticked.


got that too :| havent tried anything else yet as Ive just downloaded it :p
will report later

[ahmad]

Set my voltages and frequencies exactly to what I wanted them to on boot up :stick:

Great job w1zzard. Now I don't have to use that crappy ATi internal tool :D

Nevermind. My computer locks up at boot up with ATITool, so I am guessing that its not setting the correct voltage.

Although I do remember it working after restarting... meh. I need more rest.

[deathman20]

Ok, when playing with ATITool, can you reach the same clocks that you reached with OC at the same voltages (mind you OC reads ~.025V over what actual voltage is).

[deathman20]

Did a test quick...

OC
627.5/747
1.25V/1.95/1.95

Works fine in games and has past 3DMark 03 and 05 tests serveral times
ATITool reads voltages as 1.225/1.938/1.938.
DMM Voltages 1.213/1.938/1.938

Doing a restart now to eliminate test varables

ATITool
625/650 is the higest I can go with out it crashing at least on the memory. 655 crashes the computer.

Now this is the same voltages OC got but can't achieve, let alone its the exact same voltages. Hmmmm

Edit: running 05 to confirm what the hecks really going on.

[deathman20]

Ummm discovery... big one

OC tool
625/750 3D Mark 05 8710

ATItool
625/650 3D Mark 05 9083!!!!

[Gavinni]

Same here
OC Tool
630/740 = 8230

ATI Tool
620/675 = 8427

[cantankerous]

Yea I noticed much better scores with ATItool as well. I thought it was jut me but I guess not! Not bad!

[cantankerous]

I just got artifacts in the screen on mine currently even though it doesn't say theres errors it beeps as it is having errors. Havn't played around with it alot but going to check it out here in a few seconds again.

Yea for me it was the same. I got artifacts the second I started the checker and the artifacts came up as solid yellow blocks surrounding the entire fuzzy brown thing. That was what I meant about yellow border, it is what would be known as HUGE clusters of artifacts. The bottom however said no errors found and my system didn't beep either. If I change the mode to old (more compatible?) mode the clusters of yellow artifacts boxes totally disappears and again it says no errors found as well as no beep is audible. I can't wait till X1800 artifact testing gets fully completed as I am dying to see if ATItool will pick up what I see in FEAR with my card with those quick flashing black squares here and there. If ATItool shows my card is fine then I will stop freaking out about this. Setting volts and clocks at startup would be dope too. Good job W1zzard, thanks.

BTW, you mentioned there is no difference on the mode selected in general? Meaning if you truly do have a bad card/overclock you should and will see errors on both methods? Why have both then? Anyone know the difference between the modes on how they test?

[cantankerous]

got that too :| havent tried anything else yet as Ive just downloaded it :p
will report later

You too have the huge clusters of artifacts surrounding the fuzzy brown image? What card you running? Thanks.

[flisko]

Iget yelow in artifact scan 2,but have another problem,voltage of memory show me 2.097v but on OC tool show me 1.8v.

[ken]

You too have the huge clusters of artifacts surrounding the fuzzy brown image? What card you running? Thanks.

I got an X1800XT and my voltage is at 1.275/2.097/2.097 according to ATITools

update: set 600/700 in ATITools, run 3D05 and I got weird black screen, wth, I benched at 700/820 by OC no problems !!! :confused:

[ahmad]

I think you guys are not using the OC tool correctly, hence the discrepencies.

If you have CLI running in the background, it WILL change your clocks to whatever you had them in CCC. Also, after some playing, my 2d/3d option became grayed out and now I can use it without shutting down CLI (still maintains my OC). Only use 2d OC.

But yeah, results have been pretty much the same...

[ahmad]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40204&stc=1

This is what I mean.

[deathman20]

The OC tool loosens your ram timings up considerably allowing for higher OC's on the ram but at a cost.

There is much to be learned with the real deal. And it will take some time to get our OC's figured out again at least on the memory side. OC is going into the recycling bin very soon on my computer since it has of no value to me anymore.

[DamienKC]

sooo is it POSSIBLE to get voltage control for x800's, or did ati do something different with the x1800?

[deathman20]

sooo is it POSSIBLE to get voltage control for x800's, or did ati do something different with the x1800?

Sorry man its only for the X1800's.

[DamienKC]

that's not what I asked. I asked if it's POSSIBLE for this to be made ;]

[cantankerous]

The OC tool loosens your ram timings up considerably allowing for higher OC's on the ram but at a cost.

There is much to be learned with the real deal. And it will take some time to get our OC's figured out again at least on the memory side. OC is going into the recycling bin very soon on my computer since it has of no value to me anymore.

It must have loosened timings big time as all my scores went up big time from using ATI tool. My 05 score went from 7750 to 8092 with exact same volts and clocks. That is a pretty big jump. 03 went from 14807 to 15024 and aquamark went up some 300 points as well. I'm impressed.

Ahman, I see you are scanning for artifacts using the new ATI tool. Did you scan for artifacts at the default setting or did you choose old (more compatible?) method in the options before scanning? I ask because you don't have the yellow clusters of artifacts surrounding the 3d image like I get if I don't choose the old more compatible method.

[deathman20]

that's not what I asked. I asked if it's POSSIBLE for this to be made ;]

I answered your question thought. Its only for the X1800's, maybe the X1300 and X1600's but I havn't heard a thing on them yet.

The voltage is controlled internally, which I guess would be controlled by the GPU itself or another onboard IC, and probley uses some special voltage regulators that can adjust via software also.

I'm sure if you really wanted to you could make a PCI or PCIe card that plugs into the mobo and wires up to the video card just like a vmod, and program the card to adjust the voltages via software program inside windows.

[zakelwe]

Just out of interest when you rin 03 or 05 does it show the clocks correctly and which does it agree with Atitool or OC tool ?

Regards

Andy

[ahmad]

Ahman, I see you are scanning for artifacts using the new ATI tool. Did you scan for artifacts at the default setting or did you choose old (more compatible?) method in the options before scanning? I ask because you don't have the yellow clusters of artifacts surrounding the 3d image like I get if I don't choose the old more compatible method.

Name is Ahmad, thanks :)

No I did not use the artifact scanning feature, I just did "Show 3D View". Artifact scanning does not work at all. I get clusters of deltas (yellow dots).

I think its probably because the x1800 renders the image differently from what its being compared to, hence the differences.

[flisko]

When :mad: i run 3d05 and use atitool i always get black screen ,and comp locked up,even on stock frequeinces. :mad:

[ahmad]

Ummm discovery... big one

OC tool
625/750 3D Mark 05 8710

ATItool
625/650 3D Mark 05 9083!!!!

You my friend are a genius.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40209&stc=1

Thats with 655/639Mhz!! I did 922x with 655/783Mhz using the OC tool!

I guess like it was suggested, the only explanation is the timings. But damn. 140MHz difference AND 150 marks higher? This is unbelievable. Looks like W1zzard can write better code than ATIs engineers ;)

[deathman20]

Actually mine ended up higher @ 9118 in 05 :) I was messing around and playing games before I tried the tool which probably gave it slightly lower results, but 4 seperate tests yeilded my 9118 almost dead on each time.

[cantankerous]

Guys, something else I realized through testing this afternoon. It isn't just the OC tool it is also CCC that changes mem timings (if that is really what is happening). I didn't have the OC tool loaded at all and decided to clock up CCC to max 575/550 and low and behold scores were the same minus margin of error to that of the OC Tool meaning it is something that ATI's drivers do as well as the OC tool in conjunction to eachother. Having ATI tool on its own with CCC disabled and no OC too loaded gets much better scores. Let us see if in the future some more tweaking can be done to gain us even more in the end.

[deathman20]

Guys, something else I realized through testing this afternoon. It isn't just the OC tool it is also CCC that changes mem timings (if that is really what is happening). I didn't have the OC tool loaded at all and decided to clock up CCC to max 575/550 and low and behold scores were the same minus margin of error to that of the OC Tool meaning it is something that ATI's drivers do as well as the OC tool in conjunction to eachother. Having ATI tool on its own with CCC disabled and no OC too loaded gets much better scores. Let us see if in the future some more tweaking can be done to gain us even more in the end.

Intresting, I was going to try a similar thing to see what was gonig on. Mainly downclock my memory til it hit the similar scores as my old test. But now well I'm too lazy to take a steep back, I want to go forward :)

[spajdr]

impressive .. 650/1300 and in multitexturing test in 3d mark 05 .. 10300 .. with memory on 1600 with ati overclocker it was 9600

[ahmad]

What the :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

I was trying this OpenGL benchmark called GL Excess a few days ago (http://www.glexcess.com). I have ran it at stock and at 650/783 with Overclocker and now I ran it with the ATITool OC. Guess what?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40211&stc=1

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EDIT: Looks like it will be ATITool for Directx and Overclocker for OpenGL :banana:

[cantankerous]

hmmmm all lower? I found that 01 is much lower in score for me with ATI tool at same clocks/volts however aqua, 03 and 05 are all much higher. No clue what is going on. Perhaps it still isn't perfected and there is some issues to have further looked into.

The only thing I can think of is your mem speed of 639 over 783. If there is a timing issue perhaps the higher 783 still overperforms a tighter timing 639 even if only by a bit. Kinda like low latency system dimms where 2-2-2-5 at 250fsb would be faster than 2.5-3-3-3 at 275. The only other thing is perhaps the timings/clocks make a bigger difference in D3D which is what most benches/tests use as compared to OGL which is what that specific test above uses. Only speculation but has some basis.

[giorgioprimo]

signed

[ahmad]

The only thing I can think of is your mem speed of 639 over 783. If there is a timing issue perhaps the higher 783 still overperforms a tighter timing 639 even if only by a bit. Kinda like low latency system dimms where 2-2-2-5 at 250fsb would be faster than 2.5-3-3-3 at 275. The only other thing is perhaps the timings/clocks make a bigger difference in D3D which is what most benches/tests use as compared to OGL which is what that specific test above uses. Only speculation but has some basis.

But that really wouldn't make much sense...

Unless... Hold on a sec. I'll be right back.

[deathman20]

Well I'll test 03 when I get home and see what it yields. But I mean a 400 point increase for me in 05 is mutliple times with multiple reboots seems to be pretty good testing bed for me at least.

[ahmad]

Ok, now I am confused :confused:

In ATITool I turned my clocks down to 500 for the memory and kept the core at 655. I scored 20k in gl excess... thats lower than my stock score!!!

Then I rebooted (reset settings and everything), opened up overclocker and clocked the core up to 655 and left mem at default. I scored 23k. Thats 3k higher than ATiTool at identical settings.

But I think I have an idea. It seems that maybe ATITool overclocks different parts of the card and somehow they are both reading the same thing...... W1zzard where the heck are you?

[Diverge]

Does anyone know if these cards possibly throttle back if they get too hot? there might just be a trade off of running higher speeds with higher temps, then at lower clock speeds. i was just curious, and wasn't sure if i ever saw it mentioned anywhere.. and i could have sworn when i was playing around earlier when i first got my card, sometimes a higher clocked successful run of 3dmark05 resulted in equal or not much improvement over the a previous run at a lower speed. Recently i began to keep track of my clocks, drivers used, cpu speed, gpu speed/mem speed and 3dmark05 scores, but i haven't taken much data.

[cantankerous]

I do think this card has throttling. As a stability test I left 03 looping for 9 hours straight in a hot room with the door closed. In the morning all was still running however I noticed the playback very jerky and the fps counter would go up and down up and down up and down. Scores were way off as well. I let the card cool down a bit and it did a run like normal with no more drastic fps jumping or jerkiness visible on the screen.

[spajdr]

certainly something is happening when gpu is hot (74C at 710Mhz GPU) .. its getting jerky in Need for Speed for example, decreasing Mhz to 680Mhz fixes jerkyness.

[cantankerous]

yep, same thing I noticed. It is hard to get accurate temp readings cause the minute you open a third party application the temps go all screwy in CCC. Gets stuck at 20c. ATItool now has monitoring but the values are much lower than that in CCC. Not sure which is right.

[Quigs]

I have had the same results with BETA 9. With the overclock tool I can get 675/810 1.35/2.2 and hit 9160 3DMark05. With the ATiTool B9, I so far have only been able to hit 625/675 1.3/2 9150 3DMark05. With 625/750 on overclock tool I was at 8625 - a big difference from a lower clocked memory at 9150. Kind of makes you wonder which results are valid. I get memory corruption with memory set at anything above 700. Strange - would definitly like to understand this better. I will do some more extensive testing in the next couple of days.

[spajdr]

cantankerous : well, im sure that 74C is right for 710Mhz and 1.35V voltage with zalman, cant be higher! :D i hope

[Revv23]

ahmad, perhaps try running gl excess with both programs at the same overclocks?

i.e. 655/639 with both apps?

higher memspeed with loose timing may be favorable in that benchmark.

im thinking memory timings in this card make a huge difference, and choosing the best latency and mhz for best performance is going to take alot of work.

[deathman20]

Well got 16681 in 03, nearly 1k more points then what I got previously but also my CPU is a 100Mhz more OC'ed since I last tested it.

And of course still 01 is still screwed up for me, go figure got to uninstall that program does me no good.

[spajdr]

ok so i tried 680/650 and no difference compared 680/800
its basically same, but with ati tool i need to pump more voltage in I/O and memory, so not worth it. Cant even get 9520 again, it just hangs or bluescreen, wow stil randomly hangs, even at 600/1300, others games are fine.

[saaya]

Ok, now I am confused :confused:

In ATITool I turned my clocks down to 500 for the memory and kept the core at 655. I scored 20k in gl excess... thats lower than my stock score!!!

Then I rebooted (reset settings and everything), opened up overclocker and clocked the core up to 655 and left mem at default. I scored 23k. Thats 3k higher than ATiTool at identical settings.

But I think I have an idea. It seems that maybe ATITool overclocks different parts of the card and somehow they are both reading the same thing...... W1zzard where the heck are you?

are you sure you also set the mem speed to 500mhz with the overclocker tool? ;)

to me it looks like your comparing your card clocked at different overclocking speeds :D i dont see how using a different tool makes a difference, your running your card at different clocks :D

[cantankerous]

holy damn saaya you have a lot of posts. lol.

[W1zzard]

ati's oc tool, ccc and winclk all change the memory timings depending on core clock .. and they relax them BIG TIME in order to achieve those huge overclocks you were seeing .. however performance lacks severly .. i think the high opengl scores are possible because this benchmark is more dependant on raw clock speed.

please note that once you use any of the ati oc tools during a session your timings are relaxed, using atitool after that you still have the relaxed timings .. atitool never touches them

[ken]

W1zzard, can you please check why I can't OC my Connect3D X1800XT even 1 mhz (core/mem), anything over stock will result in LCD turn into standby mode when I run 3dmark :(

plus the voltage, at startup , Atitool shows 1.275/2.097/2.097 but overclocker shows
1.3/1.8/1.8?

thanx alot :)

[W1zzard]

W1zzard, can you please check why I can't OC my Connect3D X1800XT even 1 mhz (core/mem), anything over stock will result in LCD turn into standby mode when I run 3dmark :(

plus the voltage, at startup , Atitool shows 1.275/2.097/2.097 but overclocker shows
1.3/1.8/1.8?

thanx alot :)

start atitool with command line switch /i2c .. then go to settings -> i2c debugger, type S (for scan) .. it should list the devices it finds .. now for every detected one type d <device id> .. for example S finds 4C and 6D, then you D 4C and D 6D and email me the output to w1zzard@techpowerup.com

[ken]

start atitool with command line switch /i2c .. then go to settings -> i2c debugger, type S (for scan) .. it should list the devices it finds .. now for every detected one type d <device id> .. for example S finds 4C and 6D, then you D 4C and D 6D and email me the output to w1zzard@techpowerup.com


have sent you an email with the outputs :)
hope it helps
cheers :)

[ahmad]

ati's oc tool, ccc and winclk all change the memory timings depending on core clock .. and they relax them BIG TIME in order to achieve those huge overclocks you were seeing .. however performance lacks severly .. i think the high opengl scores are possible because this benchmark is more dependant on raw clock speed.

please note that once you use any of the ati oc tools during a session your timings are relaxed, using atitool after that you still have the relaxed timings .. atitool never touches them

Ah! ok. I get it now Thanks for the post man. I noticed ATITool keeps things the way they are after the overclocker does its damage.

are you sure you also set the mem speed to 500mhz with the overclocker tool?

to me it looks like your comparing your card clocked at different overclocking speeds i dont see how using a different tool makes a difference, your running your card at different clocks

Default is 500MHz. I changed it with ATITool first to 655/500 (down from 639 mem). But upon reboot its 500/500 default and I just upped core with the Overclocker to 655. I guess that wouldn't reflect the fact that Overclocker itself could be slackening timings (didnt change memory up or down). Hope that makes sense.


But now how do I determine which works better with tighter timings and higher clocks? Other than testing of course :p:

[G H Z]

Definately worth the wait, good work W1zzard :)

Only problem I am seeing is after a VPU recover/re-boot, I get an error that says "the kernal mode driver does not appear o be running". A re-install fixes this.

[Diverge]

i ran into some issues that required me to remove/reinstall as well: i tried to run the Find Max Mem option, and it just started to clock down from the default 495mhz of my oem sapphire card. after a while of watching it clock down my memory, i hit the Abort button, followed by the Default button - which crashed my pc. Upon reboot, it wouldn't interact with my videocard anymore, saying it wasn't supported or something like that. i removed/reinstalled it and all was good.

Is it normal for Find Max Mem to clock down?

[ahmad]

Ran the source stress test at 655/783 overclocker got 182.23FPS.

Ran it (same settings) with atitool at 655/639 got 180.32FPS.

But I did have it at 6xAA and 16xAF, so that probably requires more raw power than timings.

[spajdr]

i tried to get 10000 with ati tool and result? f00ked up windows lol :-)
Now question is what was wrong, PSU, high temp or card limit?

[deathman20]

Ran the source stress test at 655/783 overclocker got 182.23FPS.

Ran it (same settings) with atitool at 655/639 got 180.32FPS.

But I did have it at 6xAA and 16xAF, so that probably requires more raw power than timings.

I'm sure if you had the memory @ 650 it would surpase the other easily.

[deathman20]

Is it normal for Find Max Mem to clock down?

Finding max core and mem doesn't work currently.

[ahmad]

I'm sure if you had the memory @ 650 it would surpase the other easily.

Yeah but thats my current max with stock cooling.


im thinking memory timings in this card make a huge difference, and choosing the best latency and mhz for best performance is going to take alot of work.

Unfortunately. Now all we need is for wizzard to let us change those timings... ;)

[cantankerous]

AMEN! This is all good but im still hoping for an option to customize our own bios in terms of clocks/timings/volts etc that we could permanantly flash into the card so we don't have to rely on these programs for anything anymore. Just install new drivers as they come out and we are set.

[QerryTerry]

Hi also have an Sapphire 1800XL but i use WinXP64Pro.
My problem is that i could ATITool only one time through the setup program than it doesn't start anymore. If i click on the symbol nothing happens.
If i uninstall it and let it delete the settings i could it start again through setup - one time.

Is it maybe a problem with Win 64 ?

Thx for this tool ...

[mR Yellow]

Hi also have an Sapphire 1800XL but i use WinXP64Pro.
My problem is that i could ATITool only one time through the setup program than it doesn't start anymore. If i click on the symbol nothing happens.
If i uninstall it and let it delete the settings i could it start again through setup - one time.

Is it maybe a problem with Win 64 ?

Thx for this tool ...

So many peeps are having this problem....i had the same prob.
U need to disbale AntiVirus software while installing ATiTool.
That should fix ur problem. ;)

[Xyriu]

Sorry, I haven't understood, this version of ati tool works for change RAM Voltages ? (for the X1800XL)

Thanks,

bye

[spajdr]

Xyriu : yes, change ram voltage works with beta 9.

[deathman20]

Ya ram voltages work, just don't trust OC to read the correct voltages for the ram. And the Core voltage on the OC tool is also off. If it reads 1.25V, its truely 1.225V in ATITool, since its closer to actual voltage. Just so you know.

[Xyriu]

OK Thank you very much :)

With sotck voltages and VF700Cu I'm @610/640, what's the max voltages I can set for Core/DDR?

Thenks,

bye!


P.S. Sorry for my english (I'm Swiss), this is first time i post here, but I read a lot this forum! ;)

[deathman20]

Wow thats stock volts! DANG

For voltage depending on temps my guess is that you could get it up to 1.3V Core and 2.2V Mem quiet easily with little heat issues. But take the voltage up slowly, sometimes big jumps can give you a hard lock quicker then you can say :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

[Hicks]

When you guys say the OC tool? do you mean the one in the drivers? the overdrive tab?

I can't go any higher using it, lol stops at 700/800, tried 05 wih ati-tool got a weird screen.

[deathman20]

When you guys say the OC tool? do you mean the one in the drivers? the overdrive tab?

I can't go any higher using it, lol stops at 700/800, tried 05 wih ati-tool got a weird screen.

OC tool we mean the one that was on driverhaven, the so called ATI relased version.

Using the same settings at least memory in ATITool compared to that of OC tool is not recommened, speed I mean until you test it. Results between the 2 programs are totally different with the memory, and you can get much higher scores in 05 with ATITool with lower memory clocks.

[Xyriu]

This is my best result currently...

http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/vectrex/9k.jpg

1.175; 1.900; 1.1900


when i set the vCore over ~1.20V 3Dmark 05 freeze after 2-3 seconds :confused: (but @ the same freq. works fine @1.175...)

[deathman20]

I hope ya mean 1.9v for mem ;)

[Xyriu]

I hope ya mean 1.9v for mem ;)

Opsss :D

Yes, 1.900V :p:


P.S. you are a flash for reply! :eek:

[spajdr]

Hicks look what is difference btw clocking over overclocker and ati tool, surely setting mem to 650 on both would make even bigger difference.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2935/overclocker8gn.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6582/atitool6ym.jpg

that damn overclocker cant even set Mhz more precisely :slapass:

[ahmad]

For a second there I thought that was 05 :D

Does Wizard have a tool that saves voltages now as well or what?

[mR Yellow]

For a second there I thought that was 05 :D

Does Wizard have a tool that saves voltages now as well or what?

Profiling voltages will only be in beta10 and i don't no when it will be released...but i hope soon.

[Hicks]

Well god knows, why but this ATI-Tool is crap for me, it re-boots my system, and just basically borks my PC.

Guess iam stuck until Rivatuner 15.8 is out.

[deathman20]

Well god knows, why but this ATI-Tool is crap for me, it re-boots my system, and just basically borks my PC.

Guess iam stuck until Rivatuner 15.8 is out.

Is it doing it right when you boot to it or when you set speeds? If its speeds what are you setting?

[Hicks]

Well i set clocks at 700/850, and 3dmark 05 just gave me a wierd ass screen.

Another time, i was just using it, pressing settings or somet, and it re-booted my PC.

TBH ive never liked ATI-tool, ill just wait for 15.8.

[ahmad]

Well, I am sure you are doing something wrong. ATI Tool (if you were to read earliar) keeps timings very tight when overclocking. Also, you wouldn't have much luck if didn't change the voltages as well.

[[XC]Atomicpineapple]

Using ATITool with my Powercolor X1800XT 512Mb, if I leave the memory alone (as I'm aware of the whole OC tool changes timings ATITool doesnt thing) and set the core frequency and voltage to my max stable speeds found using OCtool, which will run 3d05 and 03 fine, all I get is a blank screen as soon as I hit the 'Run 3D Mark' button.

[Hicks]

Atomic are you using the stock cooler?

Whats are safe voltages to use on the stock cooler then? Ive read that the XT clocks very well, without using extra volts.

[deathman20]

Well i set clocks at 700/850, and 3dmark 05 just gave me a wierd ass screen.

Another time, i was just using it, pressing settings or somet, and it re-booted my PC.

TBH ive never liked ATI-tool, ill just wait for 15.8.


Well first off, using 850 on the memoy thats why its hard locking. ATITool does not mess with memory settings unlike the OC tool. I'd try for 650 starting then start upping it.

I could hit 820 with my memory on OC tool, but getting more then 650 stable has been an intresting challenge to me, yet I'm gettting much higher bench results with ATITool along with better preformance.

Edit: Opps sorry just saw you had a XT :) well try upping it from 750 then hehe.

[Hicks]

Ive just done 01 twice 03 and 05, at 690/800 in the ati-overdrive settings, and it was, no articfacts or anything.

750 is stock memory, ill try 700/800 in ati-tool and see what it does. if it borks, i know it's crap, cause it works fine in over-drive.

I can't seem to find overclocks on the stock cooler with the XT, hardy anyone has one, i thought they do 1700, quite easily, i was expecting about 700/850.

[ahmad]

Ive just done 01 twice 03 and 05, at 690/800 in the ati-overdrive settings, and it was, no articfacts or anything.

750 is stock memory, ill try 700/800 in ati-tool and see what it does. if it borks, i know it's crap, cause it works fine in over-drive.

I can't seem to find overclocks on the stock cooler with the XT, hardy anyone has one, i thought they do 1700, quite easily, i was expecting about 700/850.

I think the max for air I have seen is 720ish/800ish.

[ugp]

Well after I get off of work tonight I shall see what my HIS x1800XT shall do...It will deliever while I am at work today.

*Does Happy Dance*

I can't wait...

[drunkenmaster]

Ive just done 01 twice 03 and 05, at 690/800 in the ati-overdrive settings, and it was, no articfacts or anything.

750 is stock memory, ill try 700/800 in ati-tool and see what it does. if it borks, i know it's crap, cause it works fine in over-drive.

I can't seem to find overclocks on the stock cooler with the XT, hardy anyone has one, i thought they do 1700, quite easily, i was expecting about 700/850.


CCC and the ati oc tool BOTH relax mem timings to get higher mem, so hitting 800 mem in CCC or oc tool is easier than ati -tool, however if you can hit the same speed in ati tool it will be faster clock for clock, or thats what everyones getting at. not been at uni with my x1800xt enough to really play with it, with oc tool it rocks along at 700/800 easily, did that first boot before anything, not tried at stock yet even. had some black screen issues getting about 700 on the core though, temps seem a little higher, per clock than on my x1800xl with a zally cooler on it, the xt still has stock cooler on it. will ramp up fan speed, maybe redo stuff with as5 on core. assuming memory is similar under the sink to the x1800xl sink then there is a thick thermal pad that just has to be much worse than being open to the air like with the zalman.

[Hicks]

I just ran ATI-tool at 690/800 and only got 9728, basically the same as settings clocks in CCC.

I tryed 700/825, and the screen stayed black, i then gave it 0.1extra Vcore and the screen went orange and wierd, guess those are my max clocks then? dam.

Dunno really how high i can go with the volts, it was reading 83C in Ati-tool.

[deathman20]

I just ran ATI-tool at 690/800 and only got 9728, basically the same as settings clocks in CCC.

I tryed 700/825, and the screen stayed black, i then gave it 0.1extra Vcore and the screen went orange and wierd, guess those are my max clocks then? dam.

Dunno really how high i can go with the volts, it was reading 83C in Ati-tool.

Vcore? Hope ya mean Vmem.

But running 83C is pretty damn hot, thought the limit was right around 88C or so. I'd say heat is holding you back big time currently.

[[XC]Atomicpineapple]

Hicks,you disabled ATISMart and ATI Hotkey Poller services? If you havnt the increased voltages wont stick when the card enters 3d mode!

[Hicks]

Hicks,you disabled ATISMart and ATI Hotkey Poller services? If you havnt the increased voltages wont stick when the card enters 3d mode!

No, how do i do that?

What can i do about the temps? thought there meant to run hot these cards>

[[XC]Atomicpineapple]

go start>run and run 'services.msc' you'll see the 2 services I mentioned above, right click them, select 'properties', set them to 'disable' and reboot. Although before you do that could you change the voltage on the card to anythign other than stick, run a 3d app, say 3d mark, drop back into desktop, (no need to let it finish 3d mark, just get to anything 3d) and hit the 'read volts' button in ATITool and tell me if its re-set the core volts back to stock. SIOUX and I have tested this and think thats what happens, but if you could try it and get back to me that'd be great, more people testing cant hurt! Oh, and set the fan to 100% speed, yeh I know its noisy but I think the stock cooler is about the best aircooler out there for it atm!

[deathman20]

No, how do i do that?

What can i do about the temps? thought there meant to run hot these cards>

These would be found in the services. Theres 2 ways.

Start Menu->Run->type in: msconfig->under services tab you'll see them just uncheck the boxes and reboot.

Another way is to

Right click: My computer->Manage->Services and Applications->Serivces In here you right click go to my properties and disable it. Then reboot, can't remember if theres a stop command where it stops the service right away without a reboot or not.

Well on stock cooler ya they will run hot, but OC'ed well thats a different story. Cooling has a huge effect on OC's a great deal of the time. They can run at stock on those temps but might not OC that well. My old X800Pro (16pipe modded) did run fine @ 510/560 and 530/570 on cool days sitting near 80C under full load stock cooler. Yet when the new owner shoved it under water cooling it was hitting upwards of 580/570+ (memory he didn't test yet) and still had room with stock volts. I could never hit that speed with my stock cooling as it would reach 83C and lock up on me.

[Hicks]

Ok, thanks for that lads, disabled both of those, ill try again later.

Whats safe voltages on the Core and memory on stock?

[mR Yellow]

Ok, thanks for that lads, disabled both of those, ill try again later.

Whats safe voltages on the Core and memory on stock?

Im not sure whats safe on a XT. I think sampa went up to 1.5v on core but that was with LN2.