X1300pro ....not bad [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

DrJay

11-19-2005, 06:42 PM

Well not exactly good either, but in keeping with my new hobby of being an ORB bottom-feeder.......here are some results I had with a Sapphire X1300pro.

'01: 20.6K http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8802664
'03: 6.9K http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4419151
'05: 3.1K http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1463340
Should see 7K '03 tomorrow.
Scores have been held back by a catalyst control panel issue. I have not been able to use control panel to turn down the initial driver settings to fastest speeds.

Used the overclocker tool that ppl have been using on X1800s. So far, had the card up to 641c / 500Mhz mem on stock cooling.
Funny thing, the overclocker program shows the Vcore as 0.85. Pretty low but I don't know how accurate that is.

zakelwe

11-20-2005, 02:24 AM

Well not exactly good either, but in keeping with my new hobby of being an ORB bottom-feeder.......here are some results I had with a Sapphire X1300pro.

'01: 20.2K http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8797369
'03: 6.5K http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4414933
'05: 3.1K http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1463340
Should see 7K '03 tomorrow.
Scores have been held back by a catalyst control panel issue. I have not been able to use control panel to turn down the initial driver settings to fastest speeds.

Used the overclocker tool that ppl have been using on X1800s. So far, had the card up to 641c / 500Mhz mem on stock cooling.
Funny thing, the overclocker program shows the Vcore as 0.85. Pretty low but I don't know how accurate that is.

Nice work Jay, might be able to get 700Mhz on core if you do a volt mod and force it to 1.0v ..or more ! The mem voltage looks good but that core voltage does look low. Hmm, dunno.

It'll be interesting to finally turn the settings down when you get control panel active and then see what the difference is.

Regards

Andy

althes

11-20-2005, 05:22 PM

I think I will get one and have a run to see what it can do.

althes

11-20-2005, 05:43 PM

Are there going to be drivers to make the x1300pro run in crossfire with out a master card.

perkam

11-20-2005, 05:44 PM

Are there going to be drivers to make the x1300pro run in crossfire with out a master card. All you need is a crossfire compatible mobo...the X1300s run in crossfire without the need for an xfire edition.

Whats intriguing is that it has the same clocks as the X1600pro...so it certainly has a lot of potential...especially if you can find a good cooler to replace the passive one that comes stock with this.

Perkam

althes

11-20-2005, 05:53 PM

Think I will get some boards this week and give it a try.

DrJay

11-20-2005, 06:25 PM

Whats intriguing is that it has the same clocks as the X1600pro...so it certainly has a lot of potential...especially if you can find a good cooler to replace the passive one that comes stock with this.

Perkam
You obviously have not seen the stock cooler.

Nedjo

11-21-2005, 12:13 AM

All you need is a crossfire compatible mobo...the X1300s run in crossfire without the need for an xfire edition.
Perkam
Here is what the maker of catalyst drivers has to say about 1300 CF:

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=621416&postcount=5

So if any of you have two x1300 ards, and nF4 SLI mobo it would be nice to try out is it posible to set up CF on it...

althes

11-21-2005, 09:17 AM

Ok I will have the setup this week, I have the dfi board so I will pick up a couple boards and try it over the thanksgiving holiday.

deathman20

11-21-2005, 10:51 AM

Are you able to increase voltage through the software at all? Just curious if these cards have the capibility to do that also like the X1800's do.

DrJay

11-21-2005, 11:33 AM

Are you able to increase voltage through the software at all? Just curious if these cards have the capibility to do that also like the X1800's do.
Not for me on a Sapphire card.

Lightman

11-21-2005, 03:51 PM

on my x1300 shappire 450/500 i was able to incrase core only to 567MHz but ram from infineon is great ... 914MHz! it's 2.8ns DDR2 and without Vmod.
I'm looking for some way to incrase Vcore on my card, for now I found that my non-pro have 2 more resistors than pro version in power circuit but I don't have time for tests (at lest till saturday :( )

AACDIRECT

11-21-2005, 07:24 PM

I love the fact that you are running a 3ghz A64 with this card. :D

perkam

11-21-2005, 07:26 PM

I love the fact that you are running a 3ghz A64 with this card. :D lol...certain word starting with "b" comes to mind :p:

Welcome to XS Lightman !!! :welcome: :woot:

Good to have you on board the forums. PM me or any other mods with any questions you may have and do enjoy your stay.

Perkam

Lightman

11-22-2005, 09:48 AM

lol...certain word starting with "b" comes to mind :p:

Welcome to XS Lightman !!! :welcome: :woot:

Good to have you on board the forums. PM me or any other mods with any questions you may have and do enjoy your stay.

Perkam

BIG THX!!
:toast:

HousERaT

11-22-2005, 10:27 AM

nice to see what these things can do...... right about on par with the 9800pro cards.

Gnome

11-22-2005, 01:19 PM

if we could get the vgpu to 1.5v, we'd probably get a 1Ghz x1300pro :D

Lightman

11-22-2005, 02:36 PM

if we could get the vgpu to 1.5v, we'd probably get a 1Ghz x1300pro :D

YES!! and that is my target :D

if 90nm r520 using 320 mln trans. is able to do 1ghz why rv515 whit only 70 mln trans. on same process will not do this ?? :confused: hmmmm??
"it is air you breathing here??"

perkam

11-22-2005, 02:57 PM

Can any of the gentlemen here who have the card provide pics of the card ? 7k in 03 for the price I paid for my 9600 which does 3.5k :( is amazing...

Perkam

Gnome

11-22-2005, 03:53 PM

YES!! and that is my target :D

if 90nm r520 using 320 mln trans. is able to do 1ghz why rv515 whit only 70 mln trans. on same process will not do this ?? :confused: hmmmm??
"it is air you breathing here??"

http://www.ati.com/products/RadeonX1300/specs.html

105 mil :D

http://www.ati.com/products/RadeonX1800/specs.html

and 321 ^^

DrJay

11-23-2005, 12:47 AM

105 mil :D

Yep, 105. And 1.5Volts is likely to kill this gpu. That is, if .85v is correct for stock

DrJay

11-23-2005, 12:50 AM

Got a second card on the way for Crossfore action. :D
My very realistic and immediate goal is 700Mhz core and 1000+ddr(already have that one).

MaxxxRacer

11-23-2005, 01:32 AM

Nosfer@tu

11-23-2005, 01:44 AM

Or if the pcb is the same as it is on 6800 and 6800 GT in agp version, it was posible to add the 12 volt molex power plug your self.

I will post some pictures and diagrams if I remeber when I get home :D

And a passiv cooled version of the x1300
It appers that it is only the x1300 pro that has a fan as far as i know.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/en/products/graphics_gallery.php?gpid=124

EDIT : Added picture of the "missing" 6800 series Molex plug.
Migth work for x1300 if it has the same pcb? ??

DrJay

11-23-2005, 02:31 AM

Isnt the X1300 using the same process technology (manufacuring process) as the X1800? If so then you can increase the vcore to 1.5 without killing it as long as you have adequate cooling and the onboard power system can take the wattage.

BUt you are limited to 75watts as that is what the PCIE bus will handle.
That is the trick. The onboard power components are not nearly as robust as on the X1800 series. More importantly, I doubt that nearly doubling the Vcore will be needed. I would think that a point of diminished returns would be reached well before that. Time will tell though...

althes

11-23-2005, 03:53 AM

Cant wait to hear the results

zakelwe

11-23-2005, 06:40 AM

Cant wait to hear the results

Getting a pair as well althes still ? Jay likes good competition, nromally he settles for beating me though LOL :)

Regards

Andy

Lightman

11-23-2005, 06:55 AM

That is the trick. The onboard power components are not nearly as robust as on the X1800 series. More importantly, I doubt that nearly doubling the Vcore will be needed. I would think that a point of diminished returns would be reached well before that. Time will tell though...

I think that reasonable vcore for rv515 is 1.2/1.25V
in saturday i will mod my vcore (i think i now how :D |, only problem is that vcore circuit on pcb may be limited to 1V, time will tell :))

PS. sorry for small mistake with transistors number in rv515 -> :slapass:

Gnome

11-23-2005, 08:37 AM

I think that reasonable vcore for rv515 is 1.2/1.25V
in saturday i will mod my vcore (i think i now how :D |, only problem is that vcore circuit on pcb may be limited to 1V, time will tell :))

PS. sorry for small mistake with transistors number in rv515 -> :slapass:

you could also pump the 1.5v from you PSUs 3.3v rail :D

DrJay

11-23-2005, 08:40 AM

you could also pump the 1.5v from you PSUs 3.3v rail :D

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Kasparz

11-23-2005, 08:47 AM

you could also pump the 1.5v from you PSUs 3.3v rail :D
There xtremesystems, right?
Put all 3V under phase change :D
But x1300 pcb are similar to x1800?

althes

11-23-2005, 12:56 PM

Getting a pair as well althes still ? Jay likes good competition, nromally he settles for beating me though LOL :)

Regards

Andy
They have arrived, testing each on the ultra d now to see how high they can go, results tonite.
Shall we stay in this thread or start a new one. :)

althes

11-23-2005, 04:06 PM

here are some pics of the cards

althes

11-23-2005, 04:07 PM

I have one card up to 600/960 not bad for a card using just a passive heatsink.
I wish we could change the voltage.

DrJay

11-23-2005, 04:19 PM

I have one card up to 600/960 not bad for a card using just a passive heatsink.
I wish we could change the voltage.

Looking good althes. :toast:

It looks like our options are wait for ATiTool to fix this or go ahead with hard mods. It appears that hard mods should be fairly easy though.

[cTx]Philosophy

11-23-2005, 04:40 PM

So this is comparative to 9800 pro agp?
My 9800 with old XP 2600 M on nf2 will score around 19k stock speeds on ram and core on vid
XP at 2450-245X10 2-2-2-5 ch-5 power

althes

11-23-2005, 06:29 PM

I will check on that philosophy.
The other card seems to go to 600/960.
These cards run really hot.
I may have to get a fan and heatsink for them or go to water.
Will see how fast someone can get the hard mods done or how fast it takes to get ati tool fixed.

DrJay

11-23-2005, 11:39 PM

I got my card to run 3DMark'01 @ 662c / 1000ddr with water cooling. Temp doesn't seem to be playing much of a role here....I couldn't complete all tests if I raised the gpu speed any higher, even with below room temp. water. The issue seems to be the low Vcore. An even 1 volt would be nice. :)

Lightman

11-24-2005, 01:18 AM

There xtremesystems, right?
Put all 3V under phase change :D
But x1300 pcb are similar to x1800?

PCB are silimar to x1600
for someone with plenty of free time:
i found that my nonpro is different from pro only in one point
under radiator on power circuit there are two 330 resistors added
i think they are making 165ohms resistance from 1v vcore output and that gives you aroung 0.15V drop in final vcore - to 0,85v
my idea is to replace this two resistors and put 1Kohms for safety reasons
in theory this should give 0.06V drop and 0.94V on vcore
i will test this in saturday or sunday
mayby someone do this first? :stick:

althes

11-24-2005, 12:57 PM

problem cant get crossfire enabled.the button is grayed out

zakelwe

11-24-2005, 02:37 PM

problem cant get crossfire enabled.the button is grayed out

hmmm .. not good.

I'm confused about Crossfire, surely one has to be the crossfire edition because it has to have the composition chip on it ? Or am I way behind the 8 ball on this ( zak tends to hopelessness on Ati .... )

Regards

Andy

althes

11-24-2005, 03:55 PM

hmmm .. not good.

I'm confused about Crossfire, surely one has to be the crossfire edition because it has to have the composition chip on it ? Or am I way behind the 8 ball on this ( zak tends to hopelessness on Ati .... )

Regards

Andy
No they are just regular boards, for the x1300 and x1600 you are supposed to be able to run crossfire in software mode. :confused:

DrJay

11-24-2005, 03:56 PM

Does the non-pro also run at .85Vcore?

jrw

11-24-2005, 06:00 PM

If running on the Asus A8R-MVP the cards will work in hardware mode right away.

Plug in the cards, monitor-cable into the one in the master-slot and there you are :D

No need for Master/Slave cards. All you need is to use X1300, X1600 og X1800 cards.

Dunno about the other crossfire boads out there...

hmmm .. not good.

I'm confused about Crossfire, surely one has to be the crossfire edition because it has to have the composition chip on it ? Or am I way behind the 8 ball on this ( zak tends to hopelessness on Ati .... )

Regards

Andy

althes

11-24-2005, 06:06 PM

Does the non-pro also run at .85Vcore?yes they do .85v

althes

11-24-2005, 06:07 PM

Well I think we can rule out the dfi board. No crossfire work without mastercard and slave

althes

11-24-2005, 06:33 PM

Yes I do the have serial numbers right behind one another.
This is really annoying.
ALso if I try to use the second slot as main vid card I have no video.

perkam

11-24-2005, 06:35 PM

althes YGPM ;)

Perkam

hwgeek

11-24-2005, 10:18 PM

to enable the CF with the X1300/1600 u need to wait to new driver that support it
and no master card needed

althes

11-24-2005, 11:06 PM

Perkam and I found that out tonite.
The asus board did it with the 5.11 cats though.

Unoid

11-25-2005, 10:23 AM

get some better pictures of the read and front of the card: see where to get some good voltmods going.

That card looks like it has a fairly weak power regulatory setup on it however. Look at the 1800xl/xt's power setup, its like 5tiems mroe complex.

DrJay

11-26-2005, 07:05 PM

PWM is provided by two RichTek RT9232A controllers.

Couldn't find a pdf for it but I did see on foe RT9232(C or S) ....presumably an older model. On that one Pin 1=GND and Pin 6=REF

Full pt # = RT9232A
second line PS7H905

Looks pretty straight forward. Maybe I'll get out the meter and take some readings tonight.

EDIT. Vcc= Pin 5

I believe this controller will supply either 1.5V or 2.5V. I would assume 1.5max for gpu and 2.5 max for the mem chips...

Lightman

11-27-2005, 12:20 AM

Jack

11-27-2005, 04:17 AM

If running on the Asus A8R-MVP the cards will work in hardware mode right away.

Plug in the cards, monitor-cable into the one in the master-slot and there you are :D

No need for Master/Slave cards. All you need is to use X1300, X1600 og X1800 cards.

Dunno about the other crossfire boads out there...
Jep i noticed it aswell :)

People check this article from TheInquirer.net (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27866)

And do you guys think we will be able to mod the x1300pro to x1600pro?
What exactly is the difference anyway?

But just look at the pcbs ;)
http://www.asus.com.tw//999/images/products/784/784_l.jpg
http://www.asus.com.tw//999/images/products/812/812_l.jpg

cirthix

11-27-2005, 04:36 AM

Jack, thats a very interesting observation. can somebody post pictures of the x600 and x300 cores, maybe they swapped a resistor or two. if you have the card, try flash an x600 bios to it (the ram might be a problem though). both shouldnt hurt the card, so why not try?

Jack

11-27-2005, 04:41 AM

i found this aswell.
http://home.student.utwente.nl/r.makkink/x1000.jpg
copied it from http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20051006/ati_enters_the_x1000_promised_land-05.html

we need to find a way to unlock those pixel shaders and pipelines...

and for the clocks, a x1300pro is clocked higher than a x1600pro :)

Pisu87

11-27-2005, 05:33 AM

perkam

11-27-2005, 10:07 AM

Asus usually uses non-reference PCBs, probably they chose to use the same PCB for both X1300 and X1600. Notice that the two cards in the pics are the same one: look at the fan cables, at the reflection on the bracket, at the capacitors or at the fan position. They're just the same :D
Reference PCBs are different.

The cards ARE the same in pipelines as well...the x1600 just as three times the texture units (3)...hence the added performance.

But really...th x1300 is the best deal i've seen in a while..R5xx architecture, R5xx core (hence the clocks)...so the second a GDDR3 X1300 hits...it'll be one hell of a deal...and it'll make the x1600 purchase a little harder.

Perkam

Pisu87

11-27-2005, 10:17 AM

The cards ARE the same in pipelines as well...the x1600 just as three times the texture units (3)...hence the added performance.

But really...th x1300 is the best deal i've seen in a while..R5xx architecture, R5xx core (hence the clocks)...so the second a GDDR3 X1300 hits...it'll be one hell of a deal...and it'll make the x1600 purchase a little harder.

Perkam
The X1600 has as many ROPs and texture units as the X1300 but has three times the pixel processors, every texture unit or ROP in RV530 handles three pixel processors.
A RV515 is no way unlockable to RV530.

DrJay

11-27-2005, 12:40 PM

on non pro is olny one RT and input voltage is 12V output voltage is 1.05V :)

and for pdf ---> www.richtek.com/en/product.asp?level1=2&level2=1010
:D :D

PS. rt9232a is completly different from rt9232!!
rt9232a --> GND pin 7; vout pin 8!
for now this link is unavailble for me but two days ago i readed this datasheets
Thanks Lightman.
I could not find it for some reason. I began to suspect the RT9232A is completely different from the RT9232 when I didn't get anywhwere near expected readings with my meter.

Jay

DrJay

11-27-2005, 12:44 PM

Jep i noticed it aswell :)

People check this article from TheInquirer.net (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27866)

And do you guys think we will be able to mod the x1300pro to x1600pro?
What exactly is the difference anyway?

But just look at the pcbs ;)
http://www.asus.com.tw//999/images/products/784/784_l.jpg
http://www.asus.com.tw//999/images/products/812/812_l.jpg

Keep in mind that whether or not those cards are the same they are both significantly different from the ATI/Sapphire reference model.

As far as the reference model goes....I have not seen any difference between the X1300pro and pictures of the X1600. I don't know about the X1300 non-pro however. As lightman mentioned, it does have at least one difference.

DrJay

11-27-2005, 12:50 PM

The X1600 has as many ROPs and texture units as the X1300 but has three times the pixel processors, every texture unit or ROP in RV530 handles three pixel processors.
A RV515 is no way unlockable to RV530.

You are correct, sir. :toast:

Lightman

11-27-2005, 02:38 PM

Thanks Lightman.
I could not find it for some reason. I began to suspect the RT9232A is completely different from the RT9232 when I didn't get anywhwere near expected readings with my meter.

Jay
You welcome!! :toast:
what readings you get from this pins??
on my card this is 1.05V desktop and 0.975V under 3d load
:confused:

Geforce4ti4200

11-28-2005, 06:10 PM

dont you have a copy of win2k? this will help big, especially in 2001. How fast would you say that x1300 is comparable to? a 9700 non pro?

DrJay

11-28-2005, 11:48 PM

You welcome!! :toast:
what readings you get from this pins??
on my card this is 1.05V desktop and 0.975V under 3d load
:confused:

I don't remember.....but it became obvious that the pins were not as I thought they were (as on RT9232). I knew something was wrong so I didn't bother to take note of the readings. I'll take some readings again tonight.

DrJay

11-28-2005, 11:59 PM

dont you have a copy of win2k? this will help big, especially in 2001. How fast would you say that x1300 is comparable to? a 9700 non pro?
Hi Geforce,

Was your question directed to me?
As far as Win2K goes, we've been down that road before my friend...
For the X1300 to 9700np comparison, I think you could use 3DMark scores as a general guide. The 9700 will own in '01. Even if you get a X1300 above 700Mhz I don't think it will catch a mildly overclocked 9700. The cards will probably score about the same in '03. X1300 might have an advantage in '05, especially if well OC'd. As always mem bandwidth is limiting with 128-bit cards, so X1300pro might compare a little better. I know 3DMark doesn't tell the whole story, so when you ask how fast the X1300 is it might help to be specific.......someone here might have used it for a certain game, etc.

Geforce4ti4200

11-29-2005, 04:22 PM

well I had a 9600xt and upgraded to a 9700pro and she was at least 50% faster in games. Both were stock of course. You may wonder about my 9500np, well I sold it to get a real 9700pro. She doesnt overclock well and the overclock only gave me two fps extra in games so I am just gonna leave her at stock.

bldegle2

11-30-2005, 05:56 AM

"You may wonder about my 9500np, well I sold it to get a real 9700pro."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you had a 9800pro that didn't clock well either, and i am trying to figure out WHY you didn't keep the obviously better card, given the 9700pro doesn't clock for spit either.

hit me on the head with a hammer, but i still haven't figured this one out yet. lets see, i think i will get rid of the better card cause my older one is the bomb and outperforms just about anything out there you can get today...........................LOL

baldy

Geforce4ti4200

11-30-2005, 01:37 PM

I paid twice what the 9700pro costs now for that 9800pro back then. I also was still 3dmarking as well. Now that I retired from 3dmarking and am gaming, I dont care about video card overclocks, they just add lots of heat and artifacts and I have no records to beat. 3dmark motivated me to really push hardware but with games I just sit back and relax. This 9700pro is flying fine at stock, I have no need for a faster card at the present. maybe when I go socket m2 ill buy an x800xl cheap :)

DrJay

12-02-2005, 08:07 AM

Interesting review...

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/254/1

althes

12-06-2005, 04:49 PM

jay coming to get ya with some x1300pro will pick up this weekend.

DrJay

12-06-2005, 07:31 PM

jay coming to get ya with some x1300pro will pick up this weekend.
Any luck with crossfire or are new drivers still needed?

althes

12-07-2005, 04:54 PM

new drivers are needed for the dfi board.
Reason is the dfi board cannot boot from the second pcie slot as master vga.
So i think dfi messed up on that one.
The asus board can do it but not the dfi one.:confused:

DrJay

12-21-2005, 02:31 PM

Lightman

12-21-2005, 02:56 PM

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8833724
689Mhz core / 500Mhz mem.
Vmodded @ 1.378 V / watercooled

I disabled all services then re-booted. I ended up disabling something needed for CCC to run. Therefore, Catalyst A.I. was disabled killing my nature score. With AI enabled, on a previous run, I got 97.5 fps for nature with only 635Mhz....20fps more than this run. I figure this run shoulda been around 22.4-22.5 with AI enabled and good nature score.

Re-took #1!
EDIT: CAT 5.11s

Ohh yes!!

that is very good score, BEST EVER ON X1300PRO :toast: :clap: :clap:
but i now that tomorrow someone will beat you and it will be DrJay with same card and 1.45V on gpu :D :clap:
what CPU and coolin for it?? and memory??

bassv2

12-21-2005, 03:04 PM

nvm.

DrJay

12-21-2005, 04:15 PM

Ohh yes!!

that is very good score, BEST EVER ON X1300PRO :toast: :clap: :clap:
but i now that tomorrow someone will beat you and it will be DrJay with same card and 1.45V on gpu :D :clap:
what CPU and coolin for it?? and memory??
Opty 148 @1.6Vcore/ Sonic Tower heatsink / 2x256TCCD ram / DFI LP SLI-D.

Pretty normal stuff.
With A.I. enabled (set to advanced), CAT 5.12 or 13 and of course a little more gpu speed, 22.5 to 23K possible.