Help with verizon email, vbulletin forum needs 2 settings changed. [Archive]

zoom314

11-19-2005, 11:31 AM

I wasn't sure where to put this, so here goes nothin......:cool:

Help with verizon email, vbulletin forum needs 2 settings changed.

Dear Admin: I know You might be having problems with verizon email addys and that the forum here uses vBulletin Version 3.0.8 [see below], As I have to use an msn email addy, instead of My verizon email addy, as the Wise One(Admin there) on the pcper.com forum just recently turned a feature on of the vBulletin software on that forum(pcper.com uses 3.0.3) that allows the verizon email to go from their forum to My email inbox(It's now authenticated, So It gets through instead of being deleted like so much spam email is by verizon).

I checked this forums source code and It is vBulletin Version 3.0.8 software being run here. So now It's just a matter of changing a couple of settings in the forum software(I hope) and then I can use My verizon.net email addy here and It won't land Me in the invalid user section, And My current handle is not what I'd like(Could I change My handle from zoom314 to JokerCPoC please?), But under the circumstances It does work. This will help us verizon users a lot on vbulletin as then We will be able to use our real email addy finally(This switch does work, Extreme Overclocking sends email to Me now via Verizon, No problems). So unless something has changed radically between 3.0.3 and 3.0.8 could the below actions be taken please?
Note: In 3.50 and newer the switch is in the Email section.
Oh and JokerCPoC is Me.

Below is what is posted on http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?p=3666127#post3666127

Quote: (Originally Posted by JokerCPoC)
Hey Wise One what switch was It that needed to be changed to get the verizon email addys to work with the vbulletin software? If I might ask, I'd like like to spread this bit of knowledge around to other vbulletin forums.

ACP > vBulletin Options > Server Settings and Optimization Options > Enable "-f" Parameter

Quote:
Some email servers require the "-f" parameter to be sent with email calls from PHP. If you are having problems with users not receiving email, try enabling this option. In all likelihood, your problem will not be caused by this setting.

set this option to "Yes"

saaya

11-19-2005, 12:27 PM

what exactly is the problem, the above post sounds like you wrote it in a hurry :D
you cant receive mails from xs?

zoom314

11-19-2005, 12:40 PM

what exactly is the problem, the above post sounds like you wrote it in a hurry :D
you cant receive mails from xs?

I'm sorry about that, I've been using My msn email address and I wanted to be sure that the settings above were set before I changed over to My verizon email as verizon requires those settings and If switched without makin sure I could lose all access and not be able to contact anybody[It's happened elsewhere](It's verizons email authentication of where the email is coming from, Otherwise any email sent to My verizon address gets deleted like so much spam).

zoom314

11-19-2005, 01:39 PM

what exactly is the problem, the above post sounds like you wrote it in a hurry :D
you cant receive mails from xs?

BTW: Nice Cat.

Oh and as to the emails, My AV program can't check the msn email as It's http based, It will check the verizon.net emails.

Oh and would a name change be possible too?(If You misssed it from above only)

Like from zoom314 to JokerCPoC please?

Qkjhfhaiguihfma

11-20-2005, 02:12 PM

i also can't recieve forum generated e-mails to my verizon e-mail account. this happens with any forum i use that is based on vbulletin

zoom314

11-20-2005, 02:37 PM

Here's a small list of places where Verizon email works or at least should work now:

Note: The switch mentioned in 1st post is in the email section of version 3.5.0 and newer of vBulletin.

smf1.0.3 MSI HQ User Community Forum
ipb 2.0.4 Neowin.net Forums
ipb 2.0.4 PlanetAMD64 (Powered by Invision Power Board)
Ars OpenForum 3.0b - Ars OpenForum
3.0.0 EXTREME Overclocking Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.0.1 [H]ard|Forum - powered by vBulletin
3.0.3 PC Perspective - Amdmb Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.0.8 Alliance Of Overclocking Arts - powered by vBulletin
2.2.9 Monarch Forums - Monarch Support - powered by vBulletin[v2.x.x should work as is, so don't bother]
php 3.0.0 Home - MozillaZine Forums[No subscribed thread there for Me]
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Ones that I know still won't work yet or are looking into It:
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3.0.7 Overclockers Forums - powered by vBulletin[contacted admin]
3.0.7 Pro/Forums - powered by vBulletin[contacted admin]
3.0.8 XtremeSystems Forums - powered by vBulletin[posted thread]
3.0.9 2CPU.com Discussion Forums - powered by vBulletin[contacted admin]
3.5.0 TwistedForums - powered by vBulletin[contacted admin]
3.5.1 HEXUS.net Forums - powered by vBulletin[Their looking into It]

These are all the forums I go to, Some more than others and I would think there are many, many more.

saaya

11-20-2005, 04:07 PM

zoom314

11-20-2005, 04:26 PM

thx, the vatar sux though, gotta get a new one but im too lazy ^^
name change, dont know, why didnt you sign up as JokerCPoC right away?
the thing is we usually dont change user names because dozens of people would request it. wont a simple note in your sig that your also known as JokerCPoC do the trick?
please explain why you want the name changed, pm me if you dont wanna post abou it.

im still not 100% sure i got what you mean, you cant receive mails from xs on verizon because it blocks the mails, and to prevent verizon from blocking our mails wed have to change some settings in vb?
like what?

oh and please remove the link in your sig to pcper, thx :)

On the name, I only thought of It recently, sorry.

verizon requires that any email sent to It be authenticated and the settings above do the job and confirm that the email sent from here are from here and are not spam, Otherwise they are deleted as spam and the user never gets the email at all.

verizon email is My resident email(paid), I and others can't receive emails on vbulletin forums without this switch as detailed above.

msn premium email may in the future be dropped by verizon and the alternative is yahoo(no thanks).

avg 7.x checks my verizon.net email and will not do that for any http email.

link removed in sig(don't like pcper?).

saaya

11-20-2005, 04:32 PM

On the name, I only thought of It recently, sorry.
what makes you sure you wont think of a different name in a few weeks? :D
we cant change peoples names all the time... :)

wow i always heard about how verizon sucks, but this is really lame :D
right, ill go and ask if we can change the settings. :)
whats wrong with yahoo? works perfect for me...

and its not about pcper, read the forum rules :D
basically the only links that are ok are links to xs partner sites or anything helpfull for members, like mods or guides, heatware or the fm orb.

zoom314

11-20-2005, 04:42 PM

what makes you sure you wont think of a different name in a few weeks? :D
we cant change peoples names all the time... :)

wow i always heard about how verizon sucks, but this is really lame :D
right, ill go and ask if we can change the settings. :)
whats wrong with yahoo? works perfect for me...

and its not about pcper, read the forum rules :D
basically the only links that are ok are links to xs partner sites or anything helpfull for members, like mods or guides, heatware or the fm orb.

I won't think of one, I promise, One time only as It should be.

ok.

yahoo? It's webmail and verizons email server is faster for Me. verizon could let It's agreement with either msn and/or yahoo lapse if verizon wants too, then where would I be?

didn't know, Should I remove the blog link too?

saaya

11-21-2005, 05:58 AM

zoom314

11-21-2005, 09:38 PM

your blog takes forever to load, yeah please remove it and add it as your homepage under usercp, itll show up as a link in the rolldown menu of your username in all of your posts then :)

i will see if i can get your name changed, might take a week though :)

and i thought yahoo isnt webmail only anymore. i think outlook etc work with yahoo now too...

blog linky removed.

Sure If You pay for It. Me I want to use My verizon.net email account and not not a spam trap.

time I have plenty of.

I don't use yahoo, sorry.

Thunderbird doesn't work with msn as It's http based and yahoo has been too in the past, neither as far as I know is smtp based, So far as I know only Outlook Express can send and receive msn and as for yahoo last time I saw It and It was setup the same way as msn back then too.

saaya

11-22-2005, 05:04 AM

hmmm have you tried gmx?

zoom314

11-22-2005, 08:06 AM

hmmm have you tried gmx?
Is this a Windows program?
In any case I've not heard of It and no I like Outlook Express.

saaya

11-22-2005, 03:58 PM

its a mail provider, dont know if it only works with outlook, but i think it also works with other clients. hmmm i think its only german though :D

zoom314

11-22-2005, 04:17 PM

its a mail provider, dont know if it only works with outlook, but i think it also works with other clients. hmmm i think its only german though :D
Yeah I found It after You mentioned gmx(google), Of course It was one of several sites that had gmx somewhere in their results, No german reading ability here. :(

Qkjhfhaiguihfma

11-27-2005, 08:37 AM

zoom314

11-27-2005, 10:38 AM

not sure if this will help.

verizon does e-mail weird. i recently setup a new sub account, along the lines of mxxxxxx@verizon.net. verizon actually registered the e-mail rgjxxxxx@verizon.net for this account, and uses some kind of backassward forwarding/alias system. when i give people the rxxxx e-mail, i recieve messages on my mail client setup to mxxxxx, and vice versa. try using your rxxxxx e-mail account, to see if that corrects the problem.

We are talking about email sent from the forum that the verizon.net server wants to authenticate (Verizon.net just wants to make sure that email sent to the verizon.net server comes from the server that sent It, Otherwise the email in Question is Deleted), This applies to any verizon.net email regular accounts and/or sub accounts(I've tried both with no difference), Email sent from a non forum domain gets through as they are handled differently as forum email is php generated email and I guess that means some spammers do php too possibly, Regular email is smtp and webmail is http(msn, yahoo, hotmail, gmail are http). But then I've seen this happen before, Hopefully no one will ask if the spam filter is off(It is) or to look in a non existant spam folder as that type of folder only exists for web mail of course, Or to use the whitelist that is more PR than really useful beyond It altering a webpage which It does oh so well which makes the whitelist oh so worthless. If You try and use a verizon.net email account on the http://forums.pcper.com/ It works just fine since they adjusted the 2 settings above(already done there with no ill effects at all), The settings apply to everyone using a verizon.net address, Not just to Me of course. Saaya may have changed the 2 settings here, But It's not worth changing My email address until Saaya gets back and says the settings have been changed, Otherwise My account here would be frozen in a viscous circle. So I wait.

saaya

12-01-2005, 09:31 AM

george (eva2000) said it doesnt have todo with vb, its amil server configuration?

zoom314

12-01-2005, 11:17 AM

george (eva2000) said it doesnt have todo with vb, its amil server configuration?
In other words George thinks that the switches that I listed above doesn't do what numerous vb places that I get email from through verizon.net says It does?

3.0.0 EXTREME Overclocking Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.0.1 [H]ard|Forum - powered by vBulletin
3.0.3 PC Perspective - powered by vBulletin
3.0.8 Alliance Of Overclocking Arts - powered by vBulletin
3.0.8 DFI Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.5.1 Pro/Forums - powered by vBulletin

All of those above vb forums I can receive email from via My verizon.net address, If George says the 2 Items above Qouted by "The Wise One" Admin at forums.pcper.com don't do that(Sorry, But He's wrong, I say that from experience), Then how come I got a confirmation email from the pcper forum by email in My verizon.net email account?? The documentation from vb on the 2 switches above in My 1st post is wrong. :slapass: I can send You a PM of that email If You want.

I'm the thread starter of this thread(an example) http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?p=3678752#post3678752 If I didn't have a confirmed (verizon.net) email address then I wouldn't be able to post or reply to threads there and George knows It.

It has nothing to do with the email servers config, As I receive email just fine from those 6 vb forums and 8 other non vb forums all at My verizon.net email address just fine.

So can You just fix It? Please? It's no Joke.

zoom314

12-01-2005, 07:55 PM

george (eva2000) said it doesnt have todo with vb, its amil server configuration?
I hope You took a look at the second PM that I sent You? I forgot the part of the email that contains the header information, I'd have sent It as an attachment and could still, But alas I don't have Your email address to send It to as an attachment.

It's Server Authentication [of the origin] of the email being received by verizon.net, It works like so: A forum sends an email to a verizon.net email server and the verizon.net server asks the forum server that is supposed to have sent It did You send this email and the verizon.net email server expects an answer, If the originating forum server responds the email is delivered, If the originating forum server doesn't respond then the email is deleted as SPAM.

I'd like to put XtremeSystems Forums in the category of Forums that are verizon.net email compatible instead of where It is now at in the category of Forums that are not yet verizon.net email compatible, And so far there are only 3 categories and the last one is Forums that are not verizon.net email compatible by Policy and only AMD.com is in that position right now and this list can be found links and all at: http://mysite.verizon.net/zoom314/vzefl.html.

XtremeSystems Forums could be number 17 or stay where It is at number 6, And I'd rather see XS go to number 17.

saaya

12-02-2005, 05:03 AM

zoom314

12-02-2005, 01:19 PM

nice competition thinking there :D
but your the first and only one to complain about this, and i really see this more as a verizon problem than a problem on our side.

this way of checking servers is anything from perfect and it will not block all spam, but its causing a load of problems for all verizon customers.

im using yahoo for years now, never got a virus or worm, and barely get any spam at all, 1 per week maybe, and i receive 50-300 mails a week...
so blocking spam cant be that hard...
verizon is forcing everybody else to do the work for them the way i see it, and they are causing their customers and forums and websites problems. imo they deserve a juicy slap for this stupid idea :D

but nevertheless i will see what i can do to get the settings changed :)

And why is that? Simple, Most try and register with a verizon.net email address and never get a confirmation email and give up and go away, You do realize that Verizon is one of the biggest telcos in the USA don't You? Do realize the potential traffic You are ignoring and/turning away? I mean take a chance as It sure won't hurt Your forums one bit to do It and I know It will work as It has on the six forums below and only 4 were asked by Me(The other two may have turned It themselves, If It was harmful do You think vBulletin would have included It as an option?), The [H] and DFI already did It possly on their own as I never contacted them, Your forums are not being blocked per say, Since If It were the 6 below would be too as they all run vBulletin forum software.

3.0.0 EXTREME Overclocking Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.0.1 [H]ard|Forum - powered by vBulletin
3.0.3 PC Perspective - powered by vBulletin
3.0.8 Alliance Of Overclocking Arts - powered by vBulletin
3.0.8 DFI Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.5.1 Pro/Forums - powered by vBulletin

Note: The options below can be found in versions 3.0.0 to 3.4.9, Versions 3.5.0 and newer will have the options below in the email section(I read the docs for 3.5.x).

ACP > vBulletin Options > Server Settings and Optimization Options > Enable "-f" Parameter

Quote:
Some email servers require the "-f" parameter to be sent with email calls from PHP. If you are having problems with users not receiving email, try enabling this option.

set this option to "Yes"

zoom314

12-03-2005, 11:47 AM

Note: It's now 8 powered by vBulletin forums that support this feature.

3.0.0 bit-tech.net Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.0.0 EXTREME Overclocking Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.0.1 [H]ard|Forum - powered by vBulletin
3.0.3 PC Perspective - powered by vBulletin
3.0.8 Alliance Of Overclocking Arts - powered by vBulletin
3.0.8 DFI Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.0.9 2CPU.com Discussion Forums - powered by vBulletin
3.5.1 Pro/Forums - powered by vBulletin

I hope whoever has the ability to do this will please make the change, Fugger could You do this?

It does no harm to forums of course and so therefore can't hurt any to do, Otherwise why would the option be even left there for an Admin to change?

zoom314

12-03-2005, 10:33 PM

Well I don't know what the problem is, As I just completed the Demo for the vBulletin software over on the vBulletin forums under vBulletin Options> Highlight "Email Options", then Click on "Edit Settings", then set "Enable "-f" Parameter" to Yes or One could set the SMTP options below the Enable "-f" Parameter instead. And the demo is vBulletin 3.5.1 http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php
If You really need help someone could call Toll-Free (US/Canada) Sales: 1-877-326-6444
9am-5pm Mon-Fri Pacific Time, Of course I don't know If tech support is free there or what, But even I can set this up, Of course 26 years of computer usage and experience doesn't hurt. I know vBulletin supports Server Authentication, And one of the Cable companies is experimenting with It too, I think It's Comcast, I had seen something on dslreports.com to that effect, So It could be spreading and Verizon is just the first ISP to do It. Of course I don't know where in the archives It was, But I did see It.

zoom314

12-04-2005, 09:00 PM

nice competition thinking there :D
but your the first and only one to complain about this, and i really see this more as a verizon problem than a problem on our side.

this way of checking servers is anything from perfect and it will not block all spam, but its causing a load of problems for all verizon customers.

im using yahoo for years now, never got a virus or worm, and barely get any spam at all, 1 per week maybe, and i receive 50-300 mails a week...
so blocking spam cant be that hard...
verizon is forcing everybody else to do the work for them the way i see it, and they are causing their customers and forums and websites problems. imo they deserve a juicy slap for this stupid idea :D

but nevertheless i will see what i can do to get the settings changed :)

I'm curious about the status of the 1 setting that needs setting with a single mouse click and Yes I've seen the demo of the vbulletin 3.5.1 control panel (and I've used It too) over at www.vbulletin.com and It is truly easy to use and It's just the ACP > vBulletin Options > Email Options > 'Enable "-f" Parameter' that needs setting to "Yes".

Oh and as to Your question Well How come You are the only one to complain? Well that is simple I could contact You and any other potential users could not do so, You have like most forum admins, No extenal way to be contacted by email or PM, So they leave as You have effectively rejected them, Unless they make a 2nd account with a different email (I didn't do that here of course) which I've done in some places so that I could contact the admin, Some admins on some forums have a way to be contacted externally, I think like most You don't.

Oh and I mean no disrespect in what I have said, As I don't know what is going on beyond the control panel as I've quoted, But then I've used 7 OSes over the years and Linux is included too, From 1978 to now.

zoom314

12-06-2005, 07:07 AM

nice competition thinking there :D
but your the first and only one to complain about this, and i really see this more as a verizon problem than a problem on our side.

this way of checking servers is anything from perfect and it will not block all spam, but its causing a load of problems for all verizon customers.

im using yahoo for years now, never got a virus or worm, and barely get any spam at all, 1 per week maybe, and i receive 50-300 mails a week...
so blocking spam cant be that hard...
verizon is forcing everybody else to do the work for them the way i see it, and they are causing their customers and forums and websites problems. imo they deserve a juicy slap for this stupid idea :D

but nevertheless i will see what i can do to get the settings changed :)

First, Yes, Only, No You made that comment without reading the thread which is a short one and here It is:

Old 11-20-2005, 03:12 PM #5
Qkjhfhaiguihfma
Xtreme Member

Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 158

i also can't recieve forum generated e-mails to my verizon e-mail account. this happens with any forum i use that is based on vbulletin

So there are at least two users online who have complained Saaya, Qkjhfhaiguihfma and Myself. And I know It isn't that complicated otherwise Why are You an Admin on this forum?
You haven't responded in a few days and being in Europe, So why would You dislike Verizon? Is It cause Verizon and I are Americans???
And I did find out that Comcast which is one of the bigger cable TV/Internet outfits in the USA is looking into implementing Server Authentication(I did a google search) and possibly is experimenting with Server Authentication right now and so maybe You don't like It, But You may not have a choice as You may start to get more complaints on not being able to receive forum emails and Since the forum is capable of handling the change, It would be nice, Of course the users could start going elsewhere If It's not done. Most users aren't going to add a free email just for one forum as It is a bit of a hassle, You may like Yahoo, But others besides Myself do not, If I had two choices in email Yahoo or MSN, I'd choose MSN over Yahoo anytime. I read on DSL reports that Yahoo has had a support phone number which is a toll charge in the USA and It is disconnected, And MSN has a support number too and is not disconnected and It's toll free too.

zoom314

12-06-2005, 07:17 AM

i also can't recieve forum generated e-mails to my verizon e-mail account. this happens with any forum i use that is based on vbulletin

Try going to this page, You will see 19 forums that are verizon compatible there and this includes 10 vbulletin forums, Including the [H]ard|OCP's own [H]ard forum and I'm registered with all of them. In the future I'll be adding more as I find them of course.

Verizon.net email compatible forums list (http://mysite.verizon.net/zoom314/vzefl.html)