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Richdog
11-19-2005, 02:56 AM
Just out of interest do modular PSU's have any negative points when it comes to overclocking? I heard this reason for them not being as good as hard-wired:


Simply, Ohms Law : V=IR

Any soldered joint will have a lower electrical resistance than a similarly sized connecter, particularly if the connecters mating surfaces are not prefectly clean or slightly loose.

This isn't an issue if the joint/connecter does not need to carry much current, for example in signal level applications. However, when moving large amounts of current around, resistance in wires, joints and connecters becomes increasingly important.

Take a fictitious situation where you're powering a load from a 12V DC supply, and this load is quite power-hungry, drawing ~10Amps from the 12V source.

Say you used a connecter to connect the supply and the load - you'd need two connecters (one in the +12V line, the other in the ground line), each having a resistance of say .05 ohms.
This means you'd be dropping ~500mV across each joint, leaving the load with only ~ 11Volts.

If, on the other hand, you'd used nice soldered joints instead of the connecter, the resistance of the joints might be only .01 ohms apiece meaning the load is only losing 200mV, leaving it with 11.8Volts.

Reducing voltage drop and heating due to connecter and wire resistance is the main reason there are multiple red, black and yellow wires used to carry current from the supply to the mainboard (the load) in PC's.

Also, a manky or loose connecter carrying a lot of current is going to heat up and quite possibly cook itself in short measure.

This doesn't mean A power supply which adds a 2nd set of connecters in addition to the ATX one is useless. It just means you're adding another point where you're going to lose a small, but possibly important amount of voltage that chucks your highly overclocked system into instability.

Do hardcore AMD overclockers generally prefer hard-wired?

What are your opinions? :confused:

D_o_S
11-19-2005, 03:07 AM
Just out of interest do modular PSU's have any negative points when it comes to overclocking? I heard this reason for them not being as good as hard-wired:



Do hardcore AMD overclockers generally prefer hard-wired?

What are your opinions? :confused:

Yeah, that thing with resistance seems pretty logical, but the plugs have very low resistance according to what my dad tells me... he says that they had a whole cable melt at work, but the connector remained intact. So I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Of course, you could try hardwiring everything, i.e having no connectors and soldering the cables directly to the component. Not sure how much of a benefit this would be.

Richdog
11-19-2005, 10:48 AM
Any other opinions? :p

ozzimark
11-19-2005, 01:01 PM
good logic, but sounds like someone is talking out of his ass. show me the proof that the resistance of those plugs is that high ;)

personally, i prefer hard wired cables.

D_o_S
11-19-2005, 01:12 PM
good logic, but sounds like someone is talking out of his ass. show me the proof that the resistance of those plugs is that high ;)

personally, i prefer hard wired cables.

What I said shows that the resistance is low not high... the plug did not melt because it let the current through....

Zac89
11-19-2005, 01:15 PM
Theorically i think it's true, modular PSUs will have a little more fluctuation than hard wired PSUs.
But in the fact the connector's resistance is reallt low, surely many times less than 0.05 ohm, and the voltage drop is unsensible.

Btw I prefer hardwired PSUs for Ocing.... ;)

stone_cold_Jimi
11-19-2005, 02:56 PM
Modular is really nice - except every modular bit of kit I've worked with in the last 30 years (mostly audio) has had issues with oxidisation or moisture at the connectors unless they're gold plated. The Klark-Teknik spectrum analysers of the early 80s come to mind - the only cure for their problems was to replace every edge connector with the gold plated equivalent.

So hard-wired is the safe option.

STEvil
11-19-2005, 07:32 PM
depends how far you're going.

for most systems modular is fine.

Wouldnt trust one on any of my stuff, though.