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[mikenam]

I am in the process of building a new amd 64 computer. I want to use the computer i am using right now as a server. I don't want to connect the server to a router but i want my other computer to be behind a router. how would i go about doing that?

would it be

moden--hub--hub--server
--wireless router--notebook, destop.....

can i do that? or would that just complicate things. Is there a better way instead of this setup?

thanks

[mikenam]

and also would i need two ips?

[zinff]

Not sure if i understand your question entirely. What is the reason that you want to keep the server seperated from the rest of the network? So that you can have it available for access without having to go through your firewall/router? If thats the case then most routers will allow you to place one device (by IP address) in the DMZ. The bad part is that it wil be accessible to you and potentially to everyone else on the planet. Security will be paramount for you. Another solution is that if you desire to run certain services from outside of your network, you can set port and protocol ranges to automatically forward the interesting traffic you designate directly through the router and straight into the server. Leaves you less open to vulnerabilities while still giving you the ability to access your content anywhere.

[WesM63]

FYI, You cannot put a hub behind a modem. (cable/dsl i'm assuming) You need something that does NAT. Most ISP's only allow one mac address directly behind the modem as well. (i.e Routers mac address).

I would do what zinff said, Server in DMZ, everything else behind router.

[RyderOCZ]

Hello Mike,

You have DSL or Cable for Internet I assume.

Get yourself a Broadband router from Linksys or D-Link or similar (your modem may already be a router from certain ISP's)

Connect the Cable/DSL modem to the router's WAN port and setup the router to properly communicate with your ISP (PPPoE, DHCP, etc)

Then get yourself a Crossover Ethernet cable and connect one of the Switch ports on the router to your hub...then plug everything into the hub (Server, Laptop, Desktop) or if you only have 4 machines or less...simply use the 4 ports on the router as your hub/switch. Connecting each machine to it.

All Machines will have internet access and all machines will be able to communicate with each other.

Any Questions? Was I clear?

[mikenam]

well thats good to hear i don't have to buy any new hardware. I was talking to this one person online and that person has like so many servers. he/she said to just get rid of the router.

he/she typed
> modem->hub->comp hub-comp etc...
> each comp gets it own ip
> :P
> so its like a regular connection
> not a firewalled shared nat ip
........
> i use hub
> call ur provider
> to get more ips
> :]
> 3 bux per ip
> a month

ill prolly look more into the dmz for my router. I use dlink DI-514. And im sure i can dmz.

thanks

[mikenam]

yeah i understand wat u are saying. And i have cable connection. the problem is, is that pple can not connect to my ftp. and the user that was trying to connect said to forget the router and use a hub. but for security reasons i wanted my computer to be behind the router. see he suggested the setup in the post above.

but i understand what u are saying though. but don't think itll solve the problem. i have no problems communicating w/ pc connected to the home network but having problems w/ pple outside can't connect.

thanks for the help.

Hello Mike,

You have DSL or Cable for Internet I assume.

Get yourself a Broadband router from Linksys or D-Link or similar (your modem may already be a router from certain ISP's)

Connect the Cable/DSL modem to the router's WAN port and setup the router to properly communicate with your ISP (PPPoE, DHCP, etc)

Then get yourself a Crossover Ethernet cable and connect one of the Switch ports on the router to your hub...then plug everything into the hub (Server, Laptop, Desktop) or if you only have 4 machines or less...simply use the 4 ports on the router as your hub/switch. Connecting each machine to it.

All Machines will have internet access and all machines will be able to communicate with each other.

Any Questions? Was I clear?

[RyderOCZ]

Go into the router setup....forward external port 20 and 21 to the IP address of the box running FTP...like this:

I specified the ports and then the IP address of my server

[WesM63]

Ryder is dead on.. Why in the world would you pay for extra IP's?

Hubs are old and evil, they are just large repeaters that forward all traffic on regardless of its destination (also using alot of bandwitdh and sharing unnecessary traffic). Use a switch at least, they only forward the traffic to the destination port/machine. (reduces the amount of unnecessary traffic and improves bandwidth.)

You just did'nt have the ports forwarded on your router for your FTP. Save yourself the $6 month and use the equipment you have.

[mikenam]

well i did all the port fowarding for my router and pc-cillin firewall . that person can get on but can't dl or upload. im using servu i gave the user permission to write, read, dir, create folder. mabey there is something wrong on the user side trying to connect, not my setup?

thnx

[WesM63]

well i did all the port fowarding for my router and pc-cillin firewall . that person can get on but can't dl or upload. im using servu i gave the user permission to write, read, dir, create folder. mabey there is something wrong on the user side trying to connect, not my setup?

thnx


Its a good possibility, have someone else try it. I ran a FTP server from my house for a long time using a dlink router.