DFI NF4 Ultra-D NO BOOT! Help! [Archive]

MaxxxRacer

11-07-2005, 07:59 PM

Welp I was cleaning around my computer when it was off (tidying up after installing a floppy and X800GTO) and I went to turn my computer back on when I was surprised to find that it turns on for a second and then instantly turns off.

After much testing I found that if I unplug the 12v line (square, 4pin plug) from the mobo that the computer will not instantly turn off, but DOES give me the 4 red leds of death at the base of the mobo.

BTW, i checked the 12volt connector and it is outputting the appropriate voltages so that isnt the problem.

Here are the things I have tried to remedy my problem.

1. Remove all cables from mobo, memory, video card, and cmos battery.
2. reset cmos many times.
3. unplug the secondary molex and floppy connector that goes to the mobo
4. unplug my cd rom and hdds (IDE/SATA cables and power)
5. tried booting up with no video card. turns offlike always.
6. tried without video card secondary power cable. just turns off when i power up.
7. prayed to the computer gods for forgiveness.
8. removed and replaced CPU
9. Ripped out everything from mobo and let it sit without battery for 3 hours
10. called it a Gigabyte Ultra-Delinquit in an attempt to shame it into working
11. More praying.

My system specs are as follows

DFI NF4 Ultra-D
3000+ Venice
C3D X800GTO
OCZ PC4800 Elite Platinum
OCZ 520Watt PSU
WD Raptor & 120JD
NEC DVD Burner

Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

-MR

en4cer

11-07-2005, 08:03 PM

7. prayed to the computer gods for forgiveness.

LOL

Did you try a totally different PSU?

Maybe you left the CMOS jumper on "clear"

or...

maybe the board is shorted somehow on the case??

Alex08

11-07-2005, 08:03 PM

sounds like the same problem as me. I have a feeling that I have to get my bios replaced.

elected

11-07-2005, 08:09 PM

Unplug the mobo and take out the CMOS battery overnight (or for a day or two) and then try again. For some people this has actually worked.

Supertim0r

11-07-2005, 08:10 PM

damn DFI :stick:

MaxxxRacer

11-07-2005, 08:38 PM

im gonna try a new psu very soon.

the cmos thing wasnt on clear.. it was in the lower position.

the mobo is on a cardboard mobo box so it cant short on the case. I have had a similar problem with this mobo when i got water on it, so i thought that might be the issue. BUT i checked everything and there are no water leaks.. everything is dry...

situman

11-07-2005, 08:46 PM

I think this issue happened often enough to have a pretty good idea the mobo went to hell and most likely not coming back. Sorry to be a pessimist.

Supertim0r

11-07-2005, 09:06 PM

time to buy an A8N32-SLi :p:

en4cer

11-07-2005, 09:40 PM

:hm: The only other thing that comes to my mind is, maybe there's a loose screw laying on the board somewhere?? Sure does sound like some kind of short to me.

MaxxxRacer

11-07-2005, 10:40 PM

I took EVERYTHING and the board is just sitting on my desk now. absolutely no posibility of a short... and when i moved it around i didnt move any screws or anything that could possibly short it.

it is VERY strange that this happened...

If it is hosed I am gonna be pist as I modded the board (vtt and vdim) so I wont be able to RMA it..

lol super... still not confident that Asus can make a good A64 board.. and no point in SLI for me as I run ATI. If the ATI board didnt have the issues that it does I wouldnt mind getting that board though.

Maybe if the boar is totaly dead I wil get a DFI eXpert.

join nbk

11-07-2005, 10:43 PM

yeah, a excuse for upgrading oo, also

swtch around your ram, try diffrent slots, i had 2 ram slots die on me, and i tlaked to the manager at a place i bought it from 3 months before the fact, adn it was after return, he said theyd take it beck becuase i am a frequent customer thare, i went ahead and took it back, explained to him and the tech,
and i told him the prob, and my diagnosis, he put t on some tester, adn it was the ram slots, shure enough

Daved+

11-07-2005, 10:45 PM

Take the cpu off and then put it back.

MaxxxRacer

11-07-2005, 10:47 PM

well id rather no have to upgrade right now as i just dumped 180 bucks on a video card.

its not the ram slots. tested a single stick in every dimm... tried two different types of memory, both of which are tested in my machine..

I must admit that I am really out of thigns to try at this point. i mean its possible the cpu is hosed, but that wouldnt explain why the 12v plug would make a difference in the way it acts..

join nbk

11-07-2005, 10:50 PM

is it a natave 24 pin and is it sufficent enough, and also, try another psu

MaxxxRacer

11-07-2005, 10:54 PM

please read the whole post. its a OCZ 520watt..

my other psu, which you would have known i tested with, is a enermax 350watt 20 pin which I have tested on the ultra-d before. infact it ran a 2.8ghz winnie and X800XT overvolted.

So, again its not the psu.

At first I thought it might be a psu sensor that is making it shut off as it thinks there is a short or something similar to that.. but that doesnt seem to be the case as I checked the entire board for any possible shorts and the psu is outputting the correct voltages at all points..

LexDiamonds

11-07-2005, 11:18 PM

Maxx, my Ultra-D recently decided that it no longer needed its 16x PCI-E slot. Strange wieredness...

Order another one....

MaxxxRacer

11-07-2005, 11:23 PM

sigh... does broke mean anything.. (me not the computer.. well the computer as well... lol )

really burns me to spend such money on a board that broke for no apparent reason.

fareastgq

11-07-2005, 11:28 PM

maxx, did u plug in the extra molex on the board? U know, the one in the middle. what ram did u test on that board to see if it booted? By ram, I mean what kind of chips. The only 3 things I've ever had problems with as far as booting up goes with my dfi board is utt based ram, the molex in the middle needed to be plugged in, and sometime it would just randomly not boot up for no reason at all ( which I think had somthing to do with the bios and power reg, never had that problem anymore running bios 510-2 though) This also sounds really stupid, but I know on chieftec/cheming cases you simply can't plug in all the case wires for led/power and all that junk or the rig simply doesn't start up, can you plug just the power pin in with nothing else? It took me 5 hours of troubleshooting to figure that crap out on those cases. Lastly, and prob the most likely thing, the v-mods borked the board somehow.

MaxxxRacer

11-07-2005, 11:45 PM

1. molex is plugged into the board. and the floppy cable.

2. i tested TCCD and some generic ram. I have some UTT i can test too. but that doesnt seem to be the probme.

3. i run caseless so i use the buttons on the mobo.

4. the vmods are intact and havnt moved a single inch so that isnt the issue.. i tripple checked all the solder points to make sure... the pots also havnt been adjusted so no problem there either..

nop

11-08-2005, 12:04 AM

Sorry to hear that Maxx.

It happened to me once. Cleared CMOS and took out the battery for 24 hrs. cured my problem. Hope it'd help.

fareastgq

11-08-2005, 12:04 AM

I guess all u can do is swap bios chips and see if it boots. sounds like you've done everything else. Hopefully one of the bios's can bring your board back to life since rma is nil. BTW, if it is borked, and u decide to toss it, u mind sending it to me? I'll pay the ship :)

Onepagebook

11-08-2005, 12:41 AM

Can I know what 's the version of your Ultra-D?

MaxxxRacer

11-08-2005, 01:58 AM

MaxxxRacer

11-08-2005, 03:01 AM

I will try the cpu in another board tommorow. Letting the DFI sit for now.

mongoled

11-08-2005, 08:40 AM

Im guessing the board is dead. Sounds like the voltage regulation for either ram/cpu/nthbridge is borked and your getting a short hence the shut down. Sorry if i missed it but have you undone all your mods to see if it works?

MaxxxRacer

11-08-2005, 11:31 AM

No i havnt undone the mods. I will do that tonight. Luckilly i made the vdimm mod so that i could take it off without having to solder anything.

It does indeed sound like the power regulation is borked... very sad...

Haltech

11-08-2005, 03:55 PM

Maxx, this has worked for me...

Plug your ram in the opposite color slots you were using. You might be surprised and it actually boots. Of course, clear CMOS with no psu plugged in first.

Onepagebook

11-08-2005, 05:01 PM

which number u want OPB? there are about 9 different serials on the board.

last PCI slot, bottom PCIE slot, top PCIE slot, top of USB/LAN ports.

You think the bios is borked? Strange, but very possible..

yup..there is a slightly hardware changed since RAC0
I would think the bios flash was not done completely if you use winflash to do it.;)

Mr. Tinker

11-08-2005, 05:11 PM

I know you're way smarter than I Maxx, so don't think I'm calling you stupid, but did you check the input voltage select on the PSU if it has one? If it is accidentally set wrong (maybe it got bumped somehow: unlikely) the system will act exactly the way you described. I'm probably wrong, but you gotta check your "forehead slappers."

Onepagebook

11-08-2005, 05:20 PM

harleybro

11-08-2005, 05:25 PM

Actually as for it being a short if you have an OCZ power stream psu it has a short protection built in. If there is a short the PSU will not stay powered the 3 led's would go out. (Know that from previous shorts along w/ condensation shorts.) As for the bios feel free to shoot me a PM I might have a few bios chips laying around on dead boards. :)

Mr. Tinker

11-08-2005, 05:35 PM

Great assumption :toast: , but this rarely happen if he merely just upgrade his Video card.
Like I said, it's very unlikely that it happened. I don't even know if that PSU has that switch.

ex2cib

11-08-2005, 07:06 PM

"tidying up". is it possible that some wire maybe has gotten slightly loose? maybe one of the PSU pins not making good contact with the board??? just an idea, check all of those.

maybe try with the video card in the other slot?

SET

11-08-2005, 09:19 PM

Maxxx,

You have attempted with a one stick in the 2nd slot (orange)?.

Please follow these steps placed in the forum of DFI-STREET by ExRoadie.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=127704&postcount=24

To my they have helped me several times.

I wait it can solve their problem.

Until soon

MaxxxRacer

11-08-2005, 11:36 PM

OPB, I flashed this bios to the 704BT about 2 months ago.. Been running great since then. So no worries there.

Tinker, i checked that and its set to 120V, and I also tested with the enermax and got the same results.

ex2, I would think that possible, but as I have stated before, it acts exactly the same with my enermax psu...

To all: yes i know the OCZ has the built in short protection. I have experienced it before and it acted EXACTLY like it is right now. this was when my cpu waterblock leaked. BUT there was no water this time and no visible shorts.

LANero, i tried one stick in every slot (individually that is) in multiple configurations and it was a no go. acted exactly the same.

About an hour ago, I tested the cpu in my K8N Neo2 and it wouldnt boot up. When plugged it in, it would turn on like it always does, but then it would turn off after a few seconds and wont turn on no matter what I do after that.

So it seems that after all it was the cpu that is dead. I guess those 4 leds that tell you the cpu is borked really worked this time. I will be brining the board into the shop i work at to test it with a 3500+ cpu to make sure that the board is working. hopefully it is.

For all of those who gave me input on this issue, I thank you. I will keep everyone updated on any progress I make.

mongoled

11-09-2005, 12:25 AM

About an hour ago, I tested the cpu in my K8N Neo2 and it wouldnt boot up. When plugged it in, it would turn on like it always does, but then it would turn off after a few seconds and wont turn on no matter what I do after that.

Unlucky dude,

Thts another pointer i need to add to my memory banks,

'Rebooting board could = Dead CPU'

MaxxxRacer

11-09-2005, 01:34 AM

well atleast its a learning experience... costly one though.

Now i just have to pray that it didnt take the board along with it.. If it did I think I will have to kill someone.

MaxxxRacer

11-09-2005, 02:27 PM

A little update for anyone interested.

I am currently at work testing the board/cpu/mem/vid card and it runs great with a 3500 newcastle we have here. BUT if I put my cpu in it doesnt do jack. So it is a confirmed cpu death..

I would say I am horribly depressed about it, but the cpu really was a dog. I'll be getting an opteron 144 in the next few days to replace the 3000+

situman

11-09-2005, 02:45 PM

what volts were u running the CPU at? Any burn marks on the cpu and/or cpu socket?

MaxxxRacer

11-09-2005, 06:05 PM

1.4-1.45 x 113%.. so around 1.55 to 1.6 according the CPUZ and various other programs.

No burn marks or anything. cpu is totaly clean.. no reason for this failure...

calcal

11-09-2005, 06:41 PM

when u were cleaning up your comp did you remove the cpu or did you just leave it in there during the whole cleaning up process.?

situman

11-09-2005, 07:07 PM

probably a surge or something. Who knows. AMD might be able to find out.

MaxxxRacer

11-10-2005, 12:49 AM

cpu was in the computer the entire time.

its possible it was a surge, but not very likely. didnt get any static dischrages from myself and ALL of the other components in the system are unaffected.

Id love to send it to AMD to see what happened, but IHS was removed so they wont even get near it.

Haltech

11-10-2005, 08:25 AM