MUSHKIN 2gb REDLINE PC4000 InSide!

[sin0822]

THe hype about ddr 2gb kits has finnaly hit, and i am here to show you guys one new competitor. Mushkin Redline 2gb kit, with the new HS! Now what im showing you will be released ina review very shortly, think of this as a preview. Oh also when i pass my results by some other guys ill post em.

All i am saying about these sticks is that they have ce-6 and that run and SPD of 3,3,2,8 at pc4000. Lets just say i did a bit better.

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Oh and yes gentlemen, that is a hit :clap:

RESULTS:

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[IYP]

O.o me want results :slobber:

[5-Clicks]

looking forward to it :)

[sin0822]

im done with all the testing, and ill have em up hopefully by tommrow.

[Vapor]

I can't wait....just in time for me getting my Ballistix back from RMA to sell :D

Are these retail? Something tells me that an NDA would prevent you from showing us that it's CE-6 :stick:

[bachus_anonym]

im done with all the testing, and ill have em up hopefully by tommrow.Give 'em now, damn it :D :lol: I want to know :cool:
:peace:

[sin0822]

youll get em, also the results are close to those of the OCZ pc 4000eb, close is not indicating lower or higher.

[[XC] moddolicous]

When I read the thread title, I thought u mean like 4x512mb pc4000 sticks. Cant wait for the results.

[sin0822]

also the test bench is 865PE (sry guys, i wanted this reivew for all those out htere with old intel systems, and everyone knows that an A64 platform will do better). Im going to say this now, that my max is 280 video bench, and 286 pi bench at 2.8v, im going to push vdimm see if it responds. But the timings are very nice, i think i beat ryder OCZ at 2.5,3,2 with 10mhz (not to target or anything).

[vapb400]

I've seen the results, they are very very impressive, especially considering he is on an Intel 865PE

[Sentential]

I've seen the results, they are very very impressive, especially considering he is on an Intel 865PE
Ya I agree, especially as he managed to best Ryder's already impressive clocks

[sin0822]

it s abit voltage scalable...

[Vapor]

to like 3V? CE shouldn't like much more than that from what I know.

[babyelf]

red heatsink :toast:

waiting for results :D

[sin0822]

pic will be up in the orginal post withthin 5 mins, hold yoru breathe

[Vapor]

Sweet Jesus!! Those are some amazing results, any chance for testing these sticks on an A64?

[babyelf]

any chance for testing these sticks on an A64?

2nd that :toast:

nice results.. :woot:

[WesM63]

Looking good!! Cost?

[kraggy]

Awesome! I am looking forward to the review bro!!! Post a link of thier review in here when they release it??? :banana:

[sin0822]

ill post my reivew soon, ill link it in peliminary just for XS. About A64, ill see what i can do.

[Veil^^]

DAMN! :eek: :slobber:

[sin0822]

im going to play the voltage scaling game a little more, but im afraid of going to high.

[Gaspar]

I thin I remember when I first posted my results with some CE-6 a Mushkin rep stating that it was a fluke due to the chips being old and rated for only ddr333. NOw theyre selling them..... :nono:

[uOpt]

This is a kit that Mushkin sent you?

[Gaspar]

Im talking about my stix which are 220 dollar Patriot ll pc3200 1gbx2

[sin0822]

This is a kit that Mushkin sent you?
Bingo!

[Sentential]

Bingo!
CE-6 was originally a ddr333 die, because as ive heard infeon has such low yields.
Infineon has often widly varying yields. The CE series is a specifically designed high yield 90nm part that was recentally released.

[sin0822]

thanks, so i was a little wrong

[JCGhz]

Bingo!


why you? you special?

[Vapor]

He reviews for techPowerUp.

[sin0822]

why you? you special?
ouch!

Im not retarded if thats what your implying

[Sentential]

thanks, so i was a little wrong
No worries. Im still a bit suprised myself that these are only a 6ns part. I just wanted to clear they up with everyone here.

[killzone]

any eta on these sticks??

[kronik]

ETA, price, A64? I've been looking for something to pair with my 148 CABNE, was considering OCZ's 4000EB or maybe some Ballistix.. but Mushkin has always been good to me, would love to stick with 'em.

[Sentential]

ETA should be either late this week or next (it will be very soon) at various online resellers.The current MSRP on our website (http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=273) for the 2GB pack is $331 and I believe it is available direct from us right now. (I havent recieved any indication that it isnt)

Btw these sticks are on Brianpower 808 v1.1 with a custom black design.

[sin0822]

be out on the 18th

[vapb400]

Sorry to get slightly OT, but i thought Redline CH-5 went EOL? Is the stuff on the mushkin site BH-5? or just the final bit of CH-5?
Thanks

and back to the thread, I know I'll definitely be picking up a pair.

[Zebbo]

Sorry to get slightly OT, but i thought Redline CH-5 went EOL? Is the stuff on the mushkin site BH-5? or just the final bit of CH-5?
Thanks

and back to the thread, I know I'll definitely be picking up a pair.

This is 2GB kit. The CH-UTT part was 1GB kit.

[vapb400]

yea i know, that was the slightly off topic part :) Is the 1GB still in production?

My god I want that 2GB kit for my work comp. I'm gonna have to hit up the boss for some more ram :)

[JCGhz]

ouch!

Im not retarded if thats what your implying


lol.. that was my semi rude way of asking how you got ahold of them :p: I like the red HS's if my Ballistix i just ordered dont work out for me ill grab these come the 18th. Anyway thanks for bring us the news:)

[sin0822]

no problem, also this is useing brainpower pcb if sent didnt already state it.

[charlie]

for a64 results see my SMOKINNN 2gB MUSHKIN thread... 2.5-3-2 clean to 260 and 3-3-2 to about 275, 3-3-3 to about 285.

GREAT STICKS!

C

[sin0822]

i saw your thread, but i couldnt find it:(

At least those results are very close to mine.

BTW Charlie, i still use your old bh-5.

[Freez]

They seem to be overclocking like Ballistix. Good sticks. Pretty good voltage as well.

[sin0822]

But have you seen the ballistix fail rate?

Also Review Posted: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Mushkin/XP4000-2GB

[Reefa_Madness]

Will you explain just what fail rate you are referring to and how you infer/conclude that the fail rate on these Infineon will be any better than the Ballistix?

[Haltech]

But have you seen the ballistix fail rate?

Also Review Posted: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Mushkin/XP4000-2GB

Give people who arent to swift on computer, add a dfi mb and of course you will see failiure when they are trying to pump 3.7 volts into their dimms :lol2: Problem is, people dont admit to their own mistakes.

[sin0822]

Will you explain just what fail rate you are referring to and how you infer/conclude that the fail rate on these Infineon will be any better than the Ballistix?
Lok around hardforum, newegg reviews, and ask vapor.

[uOpt]

Lok around hardforum, newegg reviews, and ask vapor.

The forums at dfi-street.com also have a thread ongoing with a number of people reporting that ballistix sticks initially working fine went bad.

Myself I got a straight broken stick from newegg. The RMAed one is fine. Can happen to any vendor but there's a pattern here.

I wonder whether I should put mine on 24/7 and see whether it degrades...

[ben805]

Some of those Ballistix could be faulty or defective...no doubt about it, but after reading all those so called 'ballistix problems' reported at dfi-street it appears that MOST of them are caused by:
1)Incorrect memory setting (tref, drive/data strength, etc)
2)excessive overclocking and high vdimm for extended period of time
3)cheap PSU
4)bad memory controller
5)insufficient vcore
6)no active cooling of any kind
7)faulty mobo


And how many of them actually have the guts to admit it was due to user error? :lol:

[uOpt]

Some of those Ballistix could be faulty or defective...no doubt about it, but after reading all those so called 'ballistix problems' reported at dfi-street it appears that MOST of them are caused by:
1)Incorrect memory setting (tref, drive/data strength, etc)
2)excessive overclocking and high vdimm for extended period of time
3)cheap PSU
4)bad memory controller
5)insufficient vcore
6)no active cooling of any kind
7)faulty mobo
And how many of them actually have the guts to admit it was due to user error? :lol:

Question would be: why don't they blow up OCZ, G.Skill or Geil RAM?

Let's do your list:

- Incorrect memory setting: most publish their settings and they look OK. Generally wrong timings tend do fail quickly. Also, this wouldn't explain why so many sticks fail with a delay of a few weeks

- overvolting: I only see reports that higher volts are useless. Unlikely that these people permanently ran chips at high volts when not needed. 2.8 V is what people run them at and what the sticks are rated at

- cheap PSU: certainly not on DFI-Street. They stone you when you come in with something as "crappy" as a Seasonic. It would also be more likely to make the CPU overclock fail, not the RAM.

- insufficient vcore: maybe more likely, but why would the RAM change it's behavior after a few weeks or months?

- active cooling: shouldn't be required (but apparently is)

- faulty mobo: well as I said my Ballistix stick failed in three boards, DFI and Asus. Also, people seem to be fine when they replace the Ballistix with other RAM.


Hate to say but a manufacturing defect is most likely when a lot of people report that sticks bought around the same time now fail at the same time some weeks or months later.

It looks like they go a bad charge of some component on the sticks (not neccessarily the chips themself) that degrade after a couple hundred hours use. Connection to heat is likely.

[Hound]

why don't they blow up OCZ, G.Skill or Geil RAM?
erm, dude, i hate to say it but people do...
s*** class has finished :P:

[ben805]

Question would be: why don't they blow up OCZ, G.Skill or Geil RAM?


Simple, more people own the 2GB ballistix than say 2GB OCZ, GSkill or any other brand. Just like more OC'er own the DFI NF4 than Asus or Abit NF4 so the failure rate of DFI is going to appear to be higher.



Let's do your list:

- Incorrect memory setting: most publish their settings and they look OK. Generally wrong timings tend do fail quickly. Also, this wouldn't explain why so many sticks fail with a delay of a few weeks
.

'Look ok'.....heh....that's the problem! go to DFI street and type in Ballistix in search and read atleast half of those threads that reports having problem, you'll find lots of them are clueless as to what tref should be set, auto is recommended but there's quite a few value also help stability....such as 0780, there's lots of combination of settings in the timing section can be plain dangerous to mess with regardless what ram you use, heh...go ahead and try to play with the trp, twr, twtr and trtw....set them to the lowest value along with low trfc and MAL and see what happen....better yet...play with those settings under windows with the A64Tweaker for instant feedback and result! just be sure you have original package handy to pack them up for RMA. ;)




- overvolting: I only see reports that higher volts are useless. Unlikely that these people permanently ran chips at high volts when not needed. 2.8 V is what people run them at and what the sticks are rated at

are you for real? :lol: common...let's be honest here, people don't buy these ballistix to run at stock speed as you can save a bunch of $$$ with cheap value ram, you get these because you're hoping to overclock as high as possible and max them out, so instead of finding the right combination of memory timing what would be the easiest thing to do? that's right...ramping up the vdimm in hope for stability!! as I said before...not everyone willing to share that in the public as it also void the warranty immediately, in case you didn't know...there's a crucial tech support in that forum replying people's post so what would you have done if you're trying to RMA? tell him oh yea you'd overclock the crap out of these sticks and fed 3.0v but now it ain't working anymore even after you'd back it down to 2.7v? :D



- insufficient vcore: maybe more likely, but why would the RAM change it's behavior after a few weeks or months?


ballistix is not the only ram to have such behavior, obviously you haven't play with enough ram to noticed it, the degrading or sudden death syndrome also happened to Mushkin Redline, Gskill TCCD and other ram. ;)



- cheap PSU: certainly not on DFI-Street. They stone you when you come in with something as "crappy" as a Seasonic. It would also be more likely to make the CPU overclock fail, not the RAM.

it could be power related, you'll be surprise how many people overlook the PSU requirement to power their entire system, just run the OCCT test and look at the 3/5/12v rails and see any significant fluctuation...dip or spike.


- active cooling: shouldn't be required (but apparently is)


It's a common sense type of thing or perhaps personal preference I guess....if one would invest in a cpu, gpu, or case cooling....why wouldn't you use a cheap case fan to cool your ram regardless what ram it is and whether they need it or not? why do people buy car/health/home insurance anyway... :D



- faulty mobo: well as I said my Ballistix stick failed in three boards, DFI and Asus. Also, people seem to be fine when they replace the Ballistix with other RAM.


Hate to say but a manufacturing defect is most likely when a lot of people report that sticks bought around the same time now fail at the same time some weeks or months later.

It looks like they go a bad charge of some component on the sticks (not neccessarily the chips themself) that degrade after a couple hundred hours use. Connection to heat is likely.

Don't get me wrong, it is very possible or I should say more than likely that crucial had a defective batch, but have you ask yourself how many other ballistix user out there do not have those problem? and yes...I honestly think Crucial should strongly recommend buyer to use active cooling on these 2GB sticks (like Mushkin Redline did on user manual and package)....no arguement there, but I think Crucial have lifetime warrant on these sticks so if mine happen to go belly up in the future I'll just keep RMA them until OCZ, Mushkin or Gskill comes up with something better to put the ballistix in its place :D this sort of competition will only benefit us...the consumer.

[ExtraPickles]

Ummmm what's all this got to do with Mushkin Redline PC4000?

-pickles

[sin0822]

absolutly nothing, just that ive seen a crap load of faliures, also hardforum is down?