Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB - Info Here

[Tim]

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39443

Seems like there's gonna be a product launch from nVidia the 7th...

Something is being launched the 7th.....

http://www.scan.co.uk/

The green boxing gloves...

Round 1
Round 2
Round 3 ----> Knockout.

Older news ------- V

New News on Release date, NOT the 7th....and it's NOT called the Ultra :confused: :p

Some very interesting Info :

TheInq (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27443)

Price is....do I want to mention it?? :( :p :

The price is set at $599 to $649

Still getting one :D

The new G71 or "Faster G70" is a pure thoroughbred. If you remove the cooling solution which was introduced with Quadro FX 4500, you'll see that Nvidia modified the PCB (Printed Circuit Board) a bit in order to fit spanking new 1.1ns Samsung GDDR3 modules, which will be clocked between 800 and 900MHz.


Default clocks are set at 550/1800MHz, and every manufacturer can choose a variation. Do not expect these boards to have a single-slot cooling, since that would be close to suicide.

All that we can say is: 7800Ultra will be a truly remarkable product. For 1080p and 1900x1200 monitor users who want Transparency AntiAliasing and Anisotropic Filtering cracked to the max. µ



Fresh off the press!!!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27428

OUR COLLEAGUES at MVKtech.net forums managed to get the picture of Nvidia's upcoming Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB card. But Nvidia made the site take it off. However, you can find the original thread and the picture here

The card has a monstrous cooler and we believe we have seen this card before, someone leaked it before but Nvidia has categorically denied it and said that this is a Quadro cardbut we now know it is not.

The same chaps managed to grab a BIOS from an XFX Geforce 7800 GTX 512MB and the chaps learned that XFX card obviously clocked even higher than the specs, it's working at 580MHz core and 1730MHz memory in 3D, the throttle frequency is 500MHz core and 1730MHz memory while in 2D card, you switch to a 275MHz core and 1730MHz memory.

Since you can already download that BIOShere this means that XFX cards are almost available and that the company is just waiting for Nvidia's whistle to start selling them in retail. A week or two from now anyway. µ

I'm getting one...this is gonna be a slaughtering for ATI.... :eek:

[ettis]

wtf only 1730mhz mem!? :D wasn't it supposed to be 1800?

[Sheik]

Same cooler as Quadro FX4500 like SO. (http://www.solosreviews.net/Reviews/Index/NVIDIAFX4500_01.html)

It is very quiet.

[mrlobber]

:slobber:

[Tim]

That means without Vmods on water 650Mhz? :slobber:

This is truly worth the Ultra name...this means the card is near release...hopefully the 7th :fact:

This just isn't fair :D

I already got my SLI-D and Maze4 in the house along with some OCZ ramsinks and Vantec spectrum fan card...should do nice in the benches :D

That fan is really silent...nice :)

[VoRtAn_MaDgE]

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/7218/7800gtx5124yz.jpg

[DR G frag]

i'm waiting to nov 7th

[GoldenTiger]

Wow, wonder if that sucker will fit in my SN25P!

[Sentential]

This is very good news. Perhaps this will drive down the X1800 prices by Xmas

[Pipi]

God this card is t3h sexeh! :woot: :banana:

[Tim]

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/7218/7800gtx5124yz.jpg

Thanks alot for that, I couldn't do it since I'm at work :p:

[Cooper]

Great !
now I can buy this cooler from anyone who wishes to put this baby on phase-change :D

[J-Mag]

I'm getting one...this is gonna be a slaughtering for ATI.... :eek:

Just one? I may not be Nostradamus, but I see two in my future...

[Tim]

Just one? I may not be Nostradamus, but I see two in my future...

:p: I'm afraid I don't have that much money :D

btw vGPU is 1.45....how much is stock voltage on a GTX? 1.4v? I guess they overhauled the voltage circuitry for this one... :D

[J-Mag]

:p: I'm afraid I don't have that much money :D

I have been sellin everything i don't use in anticipation of these baby's. I won't even need to turn my heater on this winter :), High end gpu's are like an investment with the prices of natural gas and heating oil climbing here in the states.

[Starscream]

anyonbe know how its with the power usage on this card?

[Ubermann]

Found a pic of the cooler:
http://www.pretaktovanie.sk/obr/3dkarty/quadro/coolerback.jpg

[Tim]

Thanks!!!!!! Whoah Impresssive!!!! :eek:

[CrashOv3r1De]

Wow awesome. How much is this baby going to cost retail? Any estimates?

[freecableguy]

LOL....everything we know about this cooler I posted a month ago. Just do the search for it in the Xtreme 3D section. This cooler is EXACTLY like the pair that I have for my 7800GTX cards. Going to water so they will need a new home soon...

[Northwood]

i'm surprised the fanATIcs havent jumped to x1800 defence yet, so i'll emphasize... this is gonna slaughter x1800xt, and r580 nowhere to be seen to come to the rescue! :D

[Tim]

i'm surprised the fanATIcs havent jumped to x1800 defence yet, so i'll emphasize... this is gonna slaughter x1800xt, and r580 nowhere to be seen to come to the rescue! :D

If they can get it hardlaunched...this is the most impressive move ever by nVidia...and possibly one of the best. period.

There is no matching this card...programmable memorycontroller or not...it's like a monster Supercharged V8 vs a little Turbocharged Asian car....Brute power, there is no matching that....

Something tells me that they also tweaked the hell out of the core.

ATI fanboy or not...choice is clear on what card to get.....a few ordered the X1800XT in the other thread...stupid move unless you are a brandloyalist...I don't care what company I have in the rig...I just want the fastest card.....this time around ATI will get one HELLUVA spanking...

And remember...the MOMENT these cards are out...you can put them in SLI....We have to wait for Crossfire X1800 cards....bad spanking again :slapass: :(

I hope they get over this....because it's not good for ATI....especially when nVidia will also launch a 7600...which can also happen very very soon.

[Piotrsama]

i'm surprised the fanATIcs havent jumped to x1800 defence yet, so i'll emphasize... this is gonna slaughter x1800xt, and r580 nowhere to be seen to come to the rescue! :D

Let the flamming begin!
:D

[Ubermann]

The fanATIcs dont go nuts as the Nv people do.
This is a monster card but i would still take the XT.
I never really liked my GTX in gaming.

(This is not the start of a flame war!)

[perry_78]

Ah, the beloved Nalu is back online ;)

[Tim]

Ah, the beloved Nalu is back online ;)

I think she just got some bigger boobs :D woot baby!! :woot:


This is a monster card but i would still take the XT.
I never really liked my GTX in gaming.

lmao....do you think this card is made for benching? :D

[nn_step]

Wow awesome. How much is this baby going to cost retail? Any estimates?
under $500 :rolleyes:

[Mcklain]

This heatsink is already available on the leadtek 7800 gtx extreme 256mb.

I already have the exact heatsink on my video card!! :p:

http://vr-zone.com/index.php?i=2791

[GoldenTiger]

Anyone have any guesses as to whether this will fit inside of a Shuttle SN25P?

[Mcklain]

This is a 2 slot design. Check if you shuttle can handle this as well as space for sata ports cause this card is long!!

[GoldenTiger]

Is it longer than a standard 7800GTX by much? There is room for a 2-slot cooler like pictured when I checked (with fan shroud removed like I have already for my 7800GT), but I'm unsure of whether it will be too long, mainly :). Is it known, or just have to wait?

[J-Mag]

I wonder if the MOSFETs will have the same layout, because if one is to watercool this thing and remove the heatsink then your MOSFETS will be bare unlike the current GTX ref cooler.

[nn_step]

I doubt that it is any longer than a 256 Gtx but only time can tell....

[eva2000]

wow wonder what eVGA and BFG have up their sleaves :D

[alexio]

$650-700 is my guess. But i think ATI still has a lot of heatroom for an X1800XT PE. I'm stunned by the core clock of 580mhz. I bet this thing gets HOT even on that cooler.

[k0nsl]

My plans of two X1800XL has been scrapped. Nvidia never cease to amaze.

-k0nsl

[CrashOv3r1De]

Cant wait to see this $*!t out already and compare it to the X1800 XT see price drops and get 2x of the best cards. Woooooot!

[TEDY]

what's similar program as nibitor for ati's ?

[Frambosie]

christ, thats a beast and a half! Now i feel like i shouldnt have gotten my XFX 7800GTX haha. Oh well, ill go get another b4 i get one of these i suppose. Awsome to see, none the less :D

[CrashOv3r1De]

Last year I missed out on the highend gpus this year I am not making that mistake twice. Wanted a R9800 Xt 9850 xt but didnt get them. :/ Cant wait for the reviews

[ahmad]

This is good news. So nvidia did feel threatened by the x1800XT. Fanboys are no longer defending the 7800GTX, they are waiting for nvidia to save the day with the 512MB version.

They rip off customers, but in the end both are happy. Customers get an uber overclocked card, and nvidia gets the money. They could have just added the faster extra memory and left the OCing to the pros. But of course, a 7800GTX with 512MB of memory at 450MHz wouldn't stand a chance. Had to be 130MHz more.

If the card performs, great. I aint wasting money on overclocked hardware. Chances are, there won't be much headroom for OCing. This launch is awesome though, if they can release them fast enough it might drop the price of the x1800XL even more :).

My guess is, ATI will still hold the WR for 3dmark with the x1800 cards (judging from OCs people have on a 7800GTX now, it won't break 11k).

[Tim]

This is good news. So nvidia did feel threatened by the x1800XT. Fanboys are no longer defending the 7800GTX, they are waiting for nvidia to save the day with the 512MB version.

They rip off customers, but in the end both are happy. Customers get an uber overclocked card, and nvidia gets the money. They could have just added the faster extra memory and left the OCing to the pros. But of course, a 7800GTX with 512MB of memory at 450MHz wouldn't stand a chance. Had to be 130MHz more.

If the card performs, great. I aint wasting money on overclocked hardware. Chances are, there won't be much headroom for OCing. This launch is awesome though, if they can release them fast enough it might drop the price of the x1800XL even more :).

My guess is, ATI will still hold the WR for 3dmark with the x1800 cards (judging from OCs people have on a 7800GTX now, it won't break 11k).

That is the most retarded post I've read in a long time...not only is it clear from your previous posts that you wouldn't even consider having a different colored card in your system (thus limiting your choice to one manufacturer...silly)....but now you are a sour loser too.... :nono: :fact:


My guess is, ATI will still hold the WR for 3dmark with the x1800 cards (judging from OCs people have on a 7800GTX now, it won't break 11k).

No need...ATI owners have to wait till Decemberish to get Crossfire...thus all WR's will be with nVidia...sure single card maybe not. But nVidia got them on all fronts....fact.

[DilTech]

This is good news. So nvidia did feel threatened by the x1800XT. Fanboys are no longer defending the 7800GTX, they are waiting for nvidia to save the day with the 512MB version.

They rip off customers, but in the end both are happy. Customers get an uber overclocked card, and nvidia gets the money. They could have just added the faster extra memory and left the OCing to the pros. But of course, a 7800GTX with 512MB of memory at 450MHz wouldn't stand a chance. Had to be 130MHz more.

If the card performs, great. I aint wasting money on overclocked hardware. Chances are, there won't be much headroom for OCing. This launch is awesome though, if they can release them fast enough it might drop the price of the x1800XL even more :).

My guess is, ATI will still hold the WR for 3dmark with the x1800 cards (judging from OCs people have on a 7800GTX now, it won't break 11k).


You, my friend, should definitely think outside the "red box". It's great that you're a fan of ATi and all, but this is one to stop and smell the flowers for...

It's been FIVE months since the release of the GTX, going on SIX. If you remember correctly, video cards launch generally every 6 months, New series in spring with a refresh in the winter. It's moving to winter, and thus it's refresh time....

No customer of the 256mb GTX has the right to be mad either, for the same reason I just mentioned. By your logic, everyone who bought an X800xtpe shoulda been pissed when the x850xtpe came out. Same with people who bought the 9800pro when the xt came out 5 months later.... Learn your history.

As for them upping clockspeeds that much, it's no surprise honestly. ATi *KNEW* this was coming, we all pretty much did. None of us expected this big of a jump, but we all knew it would happen. 580 core is more than we expected, 1730 ram is less, but either way we all knew it'd happen. It's been said since the 2nd delay of the R520 that NVidia would be ready with a refresh by the time it was released afterall.

What makes this even scarier, NVidia still have the G72, which we have no idea what it is. The 7800gs is suppose to be the upper mainstream card, likely at $250 or less.

This is a series launch for the record books, the first, and ONLY time that every part was available ON it's day of launch. It's never happened before...

So, let me get this straight, you're MAD at NVidia for launching a monster card? You should be HAPPY that a company is upping the ante man, I don't care who it is doing it, pushing the envelope is still making things better for us....

As for the x1800xt holding the 03/05 records, there's not a chance at that, as the reason for the scores on the 7800gtx now is it's memory bottleneck...

[Tim]

Couldn't have said it better....think outside the box... :) (wether it's green or red)

[brandinb]

i bet this card will score over 11k in stock trim what do you guys thing??

[Tim]

i bet this card will score over 11k in stock trim what do you guys thing??

It's probably over 10k that's for sure :D

[Kunaak]

Ridiculous power in that card...

580 on the core is definatly gonna put a hell of a gap on a regular 7800 GTX, my 7800 GTX can bench to just alittle under 600 mhz tops, 595 to be exact, and I can say, from 580 mhz core speed, this thing is gonna be insane...

add the faster NS ram, the extra ram, and the extra 530 mhz to the ram, and it's just incredible to think of what we can expect from these cards.

[DilTech]

I expect one to be in my system before the end of the year.. That's what I expect.

Tim, you glad you listened to me when I told you to wait?

[Tim]

"what we can expect "IF we give it some 3800mhz as juice :)
i like this but the bottlenecking is kinda ridiculous..
by the way you have an gtx?benchies :stick: :fact:

You know........some people actually use their cards for gaming? Bottleneck? Not if you game at 1600x1200 4xAA 16xAF :D

Maybe in 3DMark..but I don't game in 1024x768 :p:

I expect one to be in my system before the end of the year.. That's what I expect.

Tim, you glad you listened to me when I told you to wait?

I always listen to myself Dil...there was no point in getting a GTX for me...I wanted 512mb...and I knew that nVidia would release another card after R520 :)

But I also listened to you yes :D

[Tim]

what's gaming? :D

*sigh :D :D

[Cybercat]

My guess is, ATI will still hold the WR for 3dmark with the x1800 cards (judging from OCs people have on a 7800GTX now, it won't break 11k).
Gorod - 11442 - Venice 3.1GHz | 7800GTX , BFG , Single , 649/1622 | Watercooled , Voltmoded

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1363135

[perkam]

The 1.1ns ram will rip through 05. depending upon how well the gpu can balance the equation...but no one seems to be worrying about the fact that the card will be set to different speeds depending upon whether its in 3d or 2d...

Perkam

[Cooper]

The 1.1ns ram will rip through 05. depending upon how well the gpu can balance the equation...but no one seems to be worrying about the fact that the card will be set to different speeds depending upon whether its in 3d or 2d...

Perkam

I thought this different frequencies are usual these days :)

[Hicks]

Sweet.

If i can get one for around £400, i might have to sell my GTX, though i do game at 480/1350 with it, will this 512mb card be worth it?

I play all the games, COD2, FEAR, Quake 4, with a 19" CRT, i game at 1600x1200 85hz. Can;t use AA/AF in FEAR, and not much in Quake 4. Bit disapointed by my performance TBH with you. if this card is 20fps better, i might have to get it. SLI doesn't really appeal to me that much, plus my mobo isn't SLI, god knows my i didn't get the SLI one.

[Starscream]

nvidia si doing 2D and 3D speeds for a good while now.

[Tim]

Sweet.

If i can get one for around £400, i might have to sell my GTX, though i do game at 480/1350 with it, will this 512mb card be worth it?

I play all the games, COD2, FEAR, Quake 4, with a 19" CRT, i game at 1600x1200 85hz. Can;t use AA/AF in FEAR, and not much in Quake 4. Bit disapointed by my performance TBH with you. if this card is 20fps better, i might have to get it. SLI doesn't really appeal to me that much, plus my mobo isn't SLI, god knows my i didn't get the SLI one.

I'd say just wait till the reviews :)

You know what is a scary thought....they might do it all over again in Q1 on 90nm...but then 32pipes...because we still haven't seen that card yet..those rumours came from somewhere mind you....we won't see it on this card...

[ahmad]

That is the most retarded post I've read in a long time...not only is it clear from your previous posts that you wouldn't even consider having a different colored card in your system (thus limiting your choice to one manufacturer...silly)....but now you are a sour loser too.... :nono: :fact:

I see what suits my needs and I buy. I want something to play with without requiring vmods etc. Thats why I chose what I chose. Sour loser? What the heck have I lost or won? Its funny how you are getting personal with your nvidia fanisim. I am saying what I think, you say what you think.

No need...ATI owners have to wait till Decemberish to get Crossfire...thus all WR's will be with nVidia...sure single card maybe not. But nVidia got them on all fronts....fact.

Crossfire should be available sometime in mid november (some saying even earlier).

Sure its setting higher standards, but its really nothing new. These cards will still fail MS DCT tests for example... LOL. I like new tech and I like innovation. What nvidia is doing is overclocking. Good for the market, but unimpressive to me. I was unimpressed with ATI's 9800XT back in the day when it hit because of this.

[Cybercat]

These cards will still fail MS DCT tests for example... LOL.
If NVIDIA really failed, you wouldn't see any WHQL drivers from them. This subject has been covered thoroughly in the past, but since it's quite obvious you weren't around when that happened, I suggest you do some more searches on the subject.

[Piotrsama]

You know what is a scary thought....they might do it all over again in Q1 on 90nm...but then 32pipes...
Hey, hey!!
Slow down, Nvidia will have 90nm parts in Q1, that's a fact. But, they will release their new mid-range at Q1.... for high-end they will need time to master the process....
So give them 6 months from now for new high-end parts.... ;)

[Ubermann]

"but then 32pipes" that is a hope not a fact.

[Tim]

"but then 32pipes" that is a hope not a fact.

D'oh.... :p:

[DilTech]

I see what suits my needs and I buy. I want something to play with without requiring vmods etc. Thats why I chose what I chose. Sour loser? What the heck have I lost or won? Its funny how you are getting personal with your nvidia fanisim. I am saying what I think, you say what you think.



Crossfire should be available sometime in mid november (some saying even earlier).

Sure its setting higher standards, but its really nothing new. These cards will still fail MS DCT tests for example... LOL. I like new tech and I like innovation. What nvidia is doing is overclocking. Good for the market, but unimpressive to me. I was unimpressed with ATI's 9800XT back in the day when it hit because of this.


Cross-Fire master cards for the x1800xt aren't slated for release until december IIRC...

It's been explained on the DCT test, NVidia are fully capable of all functions required for SM3 and then some. Flamebait removed - Perkam

You wouldn't consider using un-tapped 1.1ns ram new tech? That, my friend, IS new tech.

The core is clocked higher, so has EVERY refresh since the dawn of videocard refreshes. The 7800gtx was the new tech, this card is the improvement... If you care to get technical, the x800xt wasn't new tech, neither was the x850xt, or the 9800pro, or the 9800xt... They were all based off the 9700pro with minor improvements(slightly optimized shaders/more pipes added) in every case.

Now, is it really neccessary to needlessly bash a card, one that will UNDOUBTFULLY be the BEST card on the market, hands down?

[Der_KHAN]

ok, here's what i think. this whole 1800mhz ram stuff was a little optimistic and this XFX is some extreme edition like the 256mb GTX at 490/1300mhz

i say the plain 512MB cards are gonna run 550/1500-1600mhz

taking bets now :D

[saaya]

wonder whats ati is gonna do now :eek:

[Stumpjumper5200]

This guy says it all!!! -------> :banana:

Two of those watercooled in SLI. That's just an absolutely insane amount of power. If DFI keeps taking forever on that SLI-DR Expert, I may never even get a chance to touch my 7800GT :)

[Pinnacle]

What a beauty!! I would definatley trade my girlfriend in for that. Hell, she costs me more in 2 months then this card will ever retail for.

[Sentential]

Just to add a new perspective but I am hoping this new "G71-ish" Ultra they are about to put out will finally put pressure on ATi to release the R580 sooner than expected.

Its been said that the R580 is working fine and was not done by the team who botched the R520. Hopefully ATi can pull the 32pipe R580 very soon, otherwise there's gonna be a slaughter worse than Ive ever seen. Im sure the nVidia guys are getting payback for the FX fiasco and are enjoying every moment of it.

On a technical end ATi may have won but their poor designs bit them in the ass. You'd think that after netburst people would finally get the picture. Higher fill-rates and clocks are *not* what work. It may in the short term but one day its gonna rear its ugly head and it will not be pretty.

I think they have pushed the R300 design way too far and they need to find a more efficient structure because clearly they cant get the cards to scale at all, much less with the full pipelines.

The NV40 core is also on its way out as well. It has maybe one more die shrink left before they are going to be forced to re-design it (based off of clocks and heat loads) from the ground up just like ATi will be forced to do after the R580

[RAMMAN]

What a beauty!! I would definatley trade my girlfriend in for that. Hell, she costs me more in 2 months then this card will ever retail for.

youd better hope she doesnt read these forums in her spare time :D .

[Pinnacle]

youd better hope she doesnt read these forums in her spare time :D .


nah, shes a party animal

[ahmad]

You think I am an ATI fan? I like both nvidia and ATI and I have recommended Nvidia and ATI equally. I am saying what I think: sure its the fastest card, but I would never buy it. For one, it will be over priced, and 2, it doesn't impress me. Period.

Flamebait removed - Perkam

[SnipingWaste]

Just to add a new perspective but I am hoping this new "G71-ish" Ultra they are about to put out will finally put pressure on ATi to release the R580 sooner than expected.

Its been said that the R580 is working fine and was not done by the team who botched the R520. Hopefully ATi can pull the 32pipe R580 very soon, otherwise there's gonna be a slaughter worse than Ive ever seen. Im sure the nVidia guys are getting payback for the FX fiasco and are enjoying every moment of it.

On a technical end ATi may have won but their poor designs bit them in the ass. You'd think that after netburst people would finally get the picture. Higher fill-rates and clocks are *not* what work. It may in the short term but one day its gonna rear its ugly head and it will not be pretty.

I think they have pushed the R300 design way too far and they need to find a more efficient structure because clearly they cant get the cards to scale at all, much less with the full pipelines.

The NV40 core is also on its way out as well. It has maybe one more die shrink left before they are going to be forced to re-design it (based off of clocks and heat loads) from the ground up just like ATi will be forced to do after the R580

I don't think the R580 is a 32 pipeline core but a 16 pipeline with 48 ROPs. Think of it as a 4 RV530s put to gether ( RV530 is a 4 pipeline with 12 ROPs).

[SnipingWaste]

You think I am an ATI fan? I like both nvidia and ATI and I have recommended Nvidia and ATI equally. I am saying what I think: sure its the fastest card, but I would never buy it. For one, it will be over priced, and 2, it doesn't impress me. Period.

But of course, nvidiots will be nvidiots. Heck, I bet you even bought an FX card just to show your support :p:
Flamebait removed - Perkam

[JuanFlaiter]

Hope Shamie gets a couple of these and kicks some arses xD

[LOE]

so you are going to throw your gtx in the garbage - mind of telling me when and where so I can pick it up? ;)

[Vapor]

In the FS section or on eBay :D

The 'garbage can' that gives back ;)

[zabomb4163]

i'll admit i low-balled somone in the last month but in my defence he was charging retail price for a used video card without a heatsink. So the buyer would be left paying 30$ over retail for a used card without a warrenty :(.

[perkam]

It seems we'll see quite a bit of 7800s piling up in FS when this hits...:p: Hopefully this wont contribute to the price gouging thats beginning with the XT at some retailers.

Perkam

[Tim]

It seems we'll see quite a bit of 7800s piling up in FS when this hits...:p: Hopefully this wont contribute to the price gouging thats beginning with the XT at some retailers.

Perkam

You do a good job Perkam (in keeping an eye on this thread)

You can pick of a GTX for cheap in the FS section...wow :D

[Dumo]

It seems we'll see quite a bit of 7800s piling up in FS when this hits...:p: Hopefully this wont contribute to the price gouging thats beginning with the XT at some retailers.

PerkamDone that :)

[Sheik]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27443

AFTER a little research we managed to get information from several retailers and e-tailers. The 7800GTX 512MB is already SKUed [Yes, we've turned Stock Keeping Unit into a verb, Ed.], and the delivery date is set for Monday, November 14th. Several Nvidia partners told us about shipping boards in full quantity in week 46, so it seems like X1800XT got competition even before it has shipped into retail.

Back in July, we have reported here that little NV47 chip had far more juice than relatively modest clock speed of original GTX. The Green Goblin launched its 7800 series over five months before Captain Canuck gave an answer in the sight of X1K series - it was more than obvious that Nvidia kept silent about the true capabilities of the NV47/G70 chip.

However, we have managed to see some boards dubbed "Faster G70 with 512MB", which were clocking to heavens high.

One board even had the GPU clocked to sky-high 800 MHz, :confused: which sent shivers down my spine. 110 nano process doing 800 MHz clock? Vulcans would say "highly illogical", but we didn't care at the time and decided to trust our very eyes instead of sources who claimed differently.

In September, some reps even claimed that the product was cancelled. In the end - all stories come true.

The supposedly cancelled UItra was simply re-named to 7800GTX 512MB. While I personally feel this is a crap name and devalues of this product, I'll leave this to Nvidia's marchitecture pandits, minions and spinners. This is the 7800Ultra, no matter how it is called now. The price is set at $599 to $649, € or £400 much more expensive than X1800XT, but Nvidia believes it has a reason to keep the price sky-high.

The new G71 or "Faster G70" is a pure thoroughbred. If you remove the cooling solution which was introduced with Quadro FX 4500, you'll see that Nvidia modified the PCB (Printed Circuit Board) a bit in order to fit spanking new 1.1ns Samsung GDDR3 modules, which will be clocked between 800 and 900MHz.

Since the memory is declared to work at 909MHz, you can expect some serious overclocking there, and passing the once unimaginable 60GB/s barrier. Don't be too suprised if you see enthusiast forums boiling with reports of 1GHz memory clock soon after introduction.

However, the show isn't stopping here - some manufacturers decided to clock the GPU higher and lowered the speed of the memory to keep the board stable in volume production. Of course, if you get a jackpot sample, you can expect GPU core easily surpassing the 600 MHz mark and it will be truly interesting to see how will 16-pipe R520XT cope with "Faster G70 with 512MB" at the same GPU clock speed, as we reported over four months ago.

You can be for sure that at least three "us

Imagine that :D

[Tim]

Updated the first post....price is SKY high...but also the clocks..



it's NOT called the Ultra :confused: :p:
Price is....do I want to mention it?? :( :p :

The price is set at $599 to $649

Still getting one :D

The new G71 or "Faster G70" is a pure thoroughbred. If you remove the cooling solution which was introduced with Quadro FX 4500, you'll see that Nvidia modified the PCB (Printed Circuit Board) a bit in order to fit spanking new 1.1ns Samsung GDDR3 modules, which will be clocked between 800 and 900MHz.


Default clocks are set at 550/1800MHz, and every manufacturer can choose a variation. Do not expect these boards to have a single-slot cooling, since that would be close to suicide.

All that we can say is: 7800Ultra will be a truly remarkable product. For 1080p and 1900x1200 monitor users who want Transparency AntiAliasing and Anisotropic Filtering cracked to the max. µ

[Ubermann]

The only one saying it was Ultra was you =)

Now is this G71 or G70 ??
Im really impressed with what they did to this core.

[Tim]

The only one saying it was Ultra was you =)

Pleas be friendly...if it was just me, I think everyone was confused on this one...not only me.

Weird thing with this core..I wonder what's up with that....G71...hm. :)

[Ubermann]

Will there be problems running this ones SLI ?
Cooler is pretty big.

[Tim]

Will there be problems running this ones SLI ?
Cooler is pretty big.

They will fit...but how will the cooling be? If it draws air from the outside...no problem...But I believe it will get pretty hot in there... :)

This is gonna be one ridiculous card :D

[Ubermann]

Maybe reversing the fan on the card above will keep it cooler.

[HKPolice]

R580 is said to be a 'small speed bump'. Like comparing 9800 to 9700, so I wouldn't expect much from it. Still gonna be 16 pipes.

Just to add a new perspective but I am hoping this new "G71-ish" Ultra they are about to put out will finally put pressure on ATi to release the R580 sooner than expected.

Its been said that the R580 is working fine and was not done by the team who botched the R520. Hopefully ATi can pull the 32pipe R580 very soon, otherwise there's gonna be a slaughter worse than Ive ever seen. Im sure the nVidia guys are getting payback for the FX fiasco and are enjoying every moment of it.

On a technical end ATi may have won but their poor designs bit them in the ass. You'd think that after netburst people would finally get the picture. Higher fill-rates and clocks are *not* what work. It may in the short term but one day its gonna rear its ugly head and it will not be pretty.

I think they have pushed the R300 design way too far and they need to find a more efficient structure because clearly they cant get the cards to scale at all, much less with the full pipelines.

The NV40 core is also on its way out as well. It has maybe one more die shrink left before they are going to be forced to re-design it (based off of clocks and heat loads) from the ground up just like ATi will be forced to do after the R580

[Tim]

So...what this basically could mean is no new king from ATI till late next year? R600?

Damn....wtf is this....I never expected this to happen....this is one crazy card. I expected a modest speedbump with maybe 1.4ns ram...but not this :eek:

This is just incredible... :eek:

[Ubermann]

I dont think anyone expected this, it sure came as a flashbang.

[LOE]

man that fan is HUGE, I doubt it will ever get very hot with that size + heatpipes

also I just might turn to be right about the 512mb gtx beeing available before x1800xt in retail (to me 2 stores that offer x1800xt doesn't mean available)

[Tim]

man that fan is HUGE, I doubt it will ever get very hot with that size + heatpipes

also I just might turn to be right about the 512mb gtx beeing available before x1800xt in retail (to me 2 stores that offer x1800xt doesn't mean available)

I agree...it's highly likely that I can get this card in the UK before the X1800XT...which is still scheduled for the 28th of November...could be earlier..but I don't think before the 14th....but WHO cares...I'm not getting a X1800XT....I'm getting a nVidia GTX 512meg :D

[flopper]

Uberman ;)
What you mean by not liking your GTX in games?

It seems for me that atis solution has some improvement to do in the drivers section.

[Ubermann]

I dont like the mouselag or fps drops when using higher resolutions.
Ok for single player but not in intense multiplayer.
Thats my only problem with the card.

[Tim]

Pics are not the 512meg just the Leadtek Extreme edition...pics are only for reference... :)

It was said the cooler doesn't work by taking in air from above the card, but rather by pulling air in from the interior, over the card and then exhausting it out the back.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4746/topview0me.gif

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7135/frontview7pg.gif

(Thanks to Brett van Kirk EOCF :) )

[mrlobber]

Holy cow :help:

If a 600/1700 mhz monster 7800GTX comes out on the same dates as a widespread X1800XT availability (in Europe at least), ATI is going to be completely :owned:

[Hicks]

term but one day its gonna rear its ugly head and it will not be pretty.

I think they have pushed the R300 design way too far and they need to find a more efficient structure because clearly they cant get the cards to scale at all, much less with the full pipelines.



The R520 is brand new, it's nothing to do with the R300.

[[XC]Atomicpineapple]

Oh MAN, X1800XL FS anybody? :D (joke, I wish I could sell and trade up to the 512 GTX, but I'm broke now :( )

[Cybercat]

The R520 is brand new, it's nothing to do with the R300.
Well, it is brand new, but I wouldn't say it has nothing related to the R300.

[Hicks]

Well yeah, but the way he said it, was the R520 is just a updated version of the R300 design, like the previous cards before.

[LOE]

well ati pushes the r300 desing, but that's not too hard, nvidia are pushing it more - the gtx isn't brand new - it's based on the rather stupid geforce5 series

if nvidia was desperate they would push the clockspeed to 600+, but they don't need to do it ... have in mind the chip is 110nm

90nm chips should do 800Mhz easy, I am not 100% sure but nvidia said something about a 32pipe 800mhz chip a few months ago

[RaZz!]

I never really liked my GTX in gaming.


mh, why? this question isn't meant to give offence, i'm just curious.

[Cybercat]

it's based on the rather stupid geforce5 series

It is?

[LOE]

he said he is getting mouse lag

but that ain't coz of the video, it might me hardware conflict or disabled vsync. Back in 98 I got this kind of problems with games like hl, I got a new video that was rather fast, and with vsync off it rendered too many frames ahead, filling them into the buffer then they ware coming out in a lagging manner

[Sneil]

mh, why? this question isn't meant to give offence, i'm just curious.
I dont like the mouselag or fps drops when using higher resolutions.
Ok for single player but not in intense multiplayer.
Thats my only problem with the card.
that's why

so can anyone give a reasonable expectation as to what frame jump we might see? +520mhz 1.1ns mem, +150mhz gpu. im talking maxed out everything @ 1600 res?? im thinking maybe another 10fps..?

[SnipingWaste]

R580 is said to be a 'small speed bump'. Like comparing 9800 to 9700, so I wouldn't expect much from it. Still gonna be 16 pipes.

I don't think so.
As in mhz it will be a small seed bump. It will have 16 pipelines but will more ROPs from 16 to 48. This will up the proformans a lot. Just look at the RV530/X1600, its only has 4 pipelines but has 12 ROP and it beat the 8 pipeline card and can keep up with the 12 pipeline cards. The R580 with the info im getting is very shocking with a setup of 16 pipelines and 48 ROPs. This should make it about 2.5X the shader profomans of the R520 at the same core speed.

[softpain]

"RSX is G70, 90 nanometre tweaked "

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24445

"When it comes to G71 as a graphic chip, Nvidia will get that chip to insane speeds and we expect at least 650 to 700MHz for the cherry picked top of the range."

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27463

[LOE]

It is?


well nvidia called it G70 but it is an improved/tweaked/modified NV40 core, the nv40 itself is a improved/tweaked/modified NV30 core

and the geforce 5 series ware a mess mostly due to their bad SM2 performance, nvidians fixed the core for the gf6 series, and just pumped it a little more for the gf7 series

I really would like to see some totally new design from both ati and nvidia but I am not that sure there will be a new design

amd is sitting on the decent k8 core

intel are going back to the pentiumM (or just call it pentium3) core, dumping netbrust

probably the next few years all PU makers will be sitting on their asses, shrinking and improving their current designs

[Cybercat]

I don't think so.
As in mhz it will be a small seed bump. It will have 16 pipelines but will more ROPs from 16 to 48. This will up the proformans a lot. Just look at the RV530/X1600, its only has 4 pipelines but has 12 ROP and it beat the 8 pipeline card and can keep up with the 12 pipeline cards. The R580 with the info im getting is very shocking with a setup of 16 pipelines and 48 ROPs. This should make it about 2.5X the shader profomans of the R520 at the same core speed.
Just want to clear something up. ROPs are not shader ALUs. ROPs are rasterization operators, responsible for turning a rendered scene into pixels. It also performs anti-aliasing, Z compression, and color calculations. It's pretty much responsible for the pixel fillrate of a graphics card, which is important for helping determine performance scaling when increasing the resolution and applying AA (along with memory bandwidth).

The rumor was that the R580 would have 16 texture units, 16 ROPs, but 48 shader ALUs. You're right that it's similar in approach to the X1600, with 4 texture units, 12 shader ALUs, and likely 4 ROPs (I don't have confirmation of that myself, it might be 8). In essence, while I'm sure the clockspeeds of the R580 will increase over the R520, major increases in the pixel and texture fillrates of the card won't occur.

Now what's funny about this configuration is that it will enable the R580 to roughly equal the G70's shader capacity on a per-cycle basis. As impressive as 48 ALUs sound, this is merely making up for lost ground.

NVIDIA's G70 architecture is capable of 10 shader ops per pipe, per cycle. Now muliplied by 24 pipelines, this equals 240 shader ops per cycle.

ATI's R520 architecture can do 5 shader ops per pipe, per cycle. Multiplied by 48, and you get 240 shader ops per cycle. The same as NVIDIA's.

On the other hand, one would expect the R580 to clock in at at least 700MHz on the core, while the G70 isn't getting any higher than 600MHz on 110nm. So this will give the R580 a shader performance advantage there, one that hasn't been seen since the R300/NV30 days.

[softpain]

" G70 has just more pipelines and a slight redesign of its already successful NV40 marchitecture."
"ATI on the other hand had a different plan. It wanted to redesign the chip and it spent a lot of time to redesign its memory controller."

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27456

[SnipingWaste]

Cyberca, your right about the ROP and ALUs. I need some coffe to wake up. It s 12 ALU units (3 full and mini ALU per pipeline).
Beyond3d has the specs on RV530 here.
http://www.beyond3d.com/misc/chipcomp/?view=chipdetails&id=104&orderby=release_date&order=Order&cname=

What I did here is the R580 will be like RV530 but 4 times the pipelines and ROPs and ALUs.

[HaLDoL]

that's why

so can anyone give a reasonable expectation as to what frame jump we might see? +520mhz 1.1ns mem, +150mhz gpu. im talking maxed out everything @ 1600 res?? im thinking maybe another 10fps..?
GTX performance scales linear up with higher clocks.
The new GTX at 580Mhz has a 35% higher clock than a stock 430Mhz GTX.
Combine this with the enormous bandwidth and the 512MB memory, you could expect framerates which are 30-40% higher than before.
It would totally destroy the X1800XT.
Off course this will only be the case in GPU limited scenarios, meaning high resolution with lots of AA and AF.

This really is the best move Nvidia has ever made. While ATi is struggling to get cards to the market, Nvidia is hitting them with a monster of a card and immediate availability.

[Tim]

lol it's funny because the only backup you deliver is TheInq...worthless..

G70 might have it's roots in the Geforce6 series...but 7800 series is a new beast....stop this BS...

People are still saying G70 is like nv47 or whatever...stop it, your only making a fool out of yourself....this card is gonna waste everything out there...new architecture or not. :nono:

It's not only the extra pipes you know ;)

[Starscream]

if the GTX with 512Mb cna already reach thsi core speed at 110nm i wonder wich speed it could do after a die shrink to 90nm

[DilTech]

lol it's funny because the only backup you deliver is TheInq...worthless..

G70 might have it's roots in the Geforce6 series...but 7800 series is a new beast....stop this BS...

People are still saying G70 is like nv47 or whatever...stop it, your only making a fool out of yourself....this card is gonna waste everything out there...new architecture or not. :nono:

It's not only the extra pipes you know ;)

Differences between the NV47/G70 and NV40..
Second shader pipe, 128bit floating point precision, hardware support for transparency AA, 8 added pipelines, 2 added vertex shaders...

The G70 is the NV47, but the NV47/G70 is still quite a nice rehaul of the NV40 any way you look at it. Considering the speed/power of the chip in it's current state, and what it'll do with this upped clockspeed/mem speed, did they really need to make a completely new chip?

[softpain]

I never said I agreed 100% with the Inq....You know what is not true and what make sense so no need to make personnal attack.

If you have info to correct what you believe I said do it.

Learn to write in non hostile way you'll get a lot more respect imo.

And learn to respect other point of view....even if you feel uncomfortable ;-)

[Tim]

Maybe I should, but if you want to play ball be prepared to catch it...

Your the 1001st person to say that stupid stuff....at one point it just is enough...and that was when you made your posts.

I respect your opinion...I just had enough off all that whining that G70 is just a speedbump whatever...even if there is a 580core clocked card right under their nose, people will still just say out loud...oh it's just an overclocked speedbumped card...it's ridiculous! :stick:

btw...I have nothing personal against you, but I just had enough of that ATI fanboy talk..

[Ubermann]

There has been very little ATI fanboy talk on this forum.

[DilTech]

Eh, there's been talk for both sides, but can we PLEASE keep this on topic guys?

I'd really hate to see yet another good thread closed due to flaming...

[Cybercat]

I don't think of the G70 as a speed bump. I think of it as more like a 'refinement' on the existing design.

The NV40 was good, but it had some flaws. It was a power hog, and it didn't clock very efficiently. The WMP acceleration was broken, and there was never any PCIe support (the bridge chip just made things worse). Performance was decent, but it still suffered from slight ineffiencies, particularly with the vertex engine, some scheduling issues, and overall latency. The G70 smoothed over these rough edges, improved shader efficiency, power efficiency, lowered latencies, and provided native PCIe support. Plus none of its features were broken, unlike the NV40 which rendered a few million transistors useless.

[DilTech]

The G70 also doesn't use shader replacement, like the NV40 mildly did, and the NV3x was TERRIBLE about. The NV40 still produced the proper image, it just would render them using different shaders than called for in some cases.

The G70 is anything but a speed bump, it's like cybercat said, a refinement. Much like the x800 was a refinement of the 9800.

[mikenam]

wish i had the money to buy it. That card cost as much as my computer.

[Cybercat]

I'm a bit foggy on what shader replacement is. Is it where NVIDIA uses the driver to supplement certain shader programs for smaller, lower-precision ones?

[DilTech]

No, NVidia used a special compiler for the NV3x and NV4x, it's kind of like the order of operations in math. IIRC When they render a scene, they set up an order inwhich everything is rendered. It's not lower precision, it's more-so if an effect can be done indentically with a shader that runs faster for the architecture it uses that instead... I think it was the XBitLabs review of the 7800gtx that explained it completely.

Either way, it rendered an identical image to it's ATi counterpart, it just did it a different way.

[alexio]

I'm a bit foggy on what shader replacement is. Is it where NVIDIA uses the driver to supplement certain shader programs for smaller, lower-precision ones?

Yes, that's why I don't like my 6800GT and why I am using the avatar I'm using. I've had both ATI and Nvidia.

Now let's stay ontopic guys :)

[DilTech]

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2451&p=5

It was anandtech.

Also, ATi use forms of shader replacement as well, even John Carmack has noted this in the Doom 3 benchmarks at [h]ardocp.

The G70 is the first card since the ti4200 *not* to use any form of shader replacement.

[Cybercat]

No, NVidia used a special compiler for the NV3x and NV4x, it's kind of like the order of operations in math. IIRC When they render a scene, they set up an order inwhich everything is rendered. It's not lower precision, it's more-so if an effect can be done indentically with a shader that runs faster for the architecture it uses that instead... I think it was the XBitLabs review of the 7800gtx that explained it completely.

Either way, it rendered an identical image to it's ATi counterpart, it just did it a different way.
I see, thanks.

Yes, that's why I don't like my 6800GT and why I am using the avatar I'm using. I've had both ATI and Nvidia.

Now let's stay ontopic guys
Actually I was wrong, so your reasoning (and hate, for that matter) is invalid.

And this is on topic. It's discussing the points and advantages of the G70 architecture. Why will this 512MB GTX be a beast? Because the G70 has a powerful architecture, and higher clockspeeds only amplify this.

[alexio]

I see, thanks.


Actually I was wrong, so your reasoning (and hate, for that matter) is invalid.

I can tell very well if something is less-precise or not. Wetter it is because of replament or just because they are processed in a different order I don't know and I don't care actually but my eyes don't lie.

I have two systems here that I put side by side once and ran some games with them, one using a 9800 pro and one using an 6800GT (NU @ GT actually, but this doesn't affect IQ) and it was clear with whatever driver I used the 9800 pro just looked better. I switched screens to see if the 6800GT looked better on another screen but that wasn't the case.

Before the Asus 6800NU I had an XFX 6800LE and I RMA'd it because it was broken, I had strange glitched. When I got the new card I still had the same problem and it seems that the XFX wasn't broken after all but what I say was just bad IQ. I kept it because it was my third card already (first XFX 6800LE was really broken) and at the moment I was happy that it unlocked to 16*1.6.

And this is on topic. It's discussing the points and advantages of the G70 architecture. Why will this 512MB GTX be a beast? Because the G70 has a powerful architecture, and higher clockspeeds only amplify this.

You're right, we just need to keep it friendly to prevent flames.

[Cybercat]

I wonder why it is I've never seen any major differences in IQ before in articles published by, say, HardOCP.

Do you have any specific examples? Games that you saw the most difference in? Maybe even particular scenes or places within those games that really showed a difference?

You know as well as I do that actual accounts go further than just generalizations.

[DilTech]

XBit labs did a quality comparison of ATi and NVidia, zoomed in at up to 10x. There was NO visible difference in any game but painkiller, and in painkiller neither one rendered a "worse" image than the other, they just weren't identical.

They went thru about 5 or 6 different games.

Also, alexio, NVidia wasn't using lower precision shaders with the NV40, infact, for the NV40 it wasn't capable of going below 32bit FPP. Low and high were both set to the same point on that card!

[alexio]

I wonder why it is I've never seen any major differences in IQ before in articles published by, say, HardOCP.

THey need review material so they will never say a card is bad when there are no cries from the gaming masses about bad IQ.

Do you have any specific examples? Games that you saw the most difference in? Maybe even particular scenes or places within those games that really showed a difference?


Any game that were you can see very far ahead of you and where the lines get thinner the farther to the horizon gives problems. These lines are unsharp and look like they are moving. Disaparing for a second and then comming back again.

In Half-Life two you can see glitches all the time. Textures look really weird. It's hard to discribe and there isn't really a scene in specific when this happens, it just happens all the time.

The biggest problems that I have is that lines are not sharp and tend to flikker. YOu can see this in many games and it irritates. Also fps and mouse lag are a problem. Avarage framerates are nice but fps consistancy isn't there.

I'm the kind of person that get's sick from gaming just like you can get sick in a car. With the 9800 pro I don't have this problem with the 6800NU I DO have this problem at a setting comparible with the settings used on the 9800 pro. V-Sync helps somewhat against this but still I get sick from the flikkering of the lines, and stutters still occur.

Chipset drivers and vga drivers, everything is installed as it should be, bechmark scores are good (3Dmark looks much worse at the 6800 by the way). I played with LOD-bias and this helps somewhat. Setting it to -3 helps because it blurs the screen (and thus the flikkering lines).

So you can see that it's more of a feeling than anything specific.

[Cybercat]

Also, alexio, NVidia wasn't using lower precision shaders with the NV40, infact, for the NV40 it wasn't capable of going below 32bit FPP. Low and high were both set to the same point on that card!
lol, so that's why the low precision trick for FarCry and HL2 doesn't work on GF6 cards, only FX cards.

EDIT: So Alexio, you could almost say that the reason no websites have really recorded a difference in IQ between screenshot comparisons, is because most of the IQ problems you experience are in motion, rather than the still images themselves produced, right?

[Vapor]

Yes, that is correct.

IIRC, there were a couple of avis to demonstrate the flicker, however.

[alexio]

lol, so that's why the low precision trick for FarCry and HL2 doesn't work on GF6 cards, only FX cards.

EDIT: So Alexio, you could almost say that the reason no websites have really recorded a difference in IQ between screenshot comparisons, is because most of the IQ problems you experience are in motion, rather than the still images themselves produced, right?

Yes that's correct, still images are the same as ATI still images. I think the problem might just be the fast that it always forces the high precision. Upping LOD bias will do the same on ATI cards. It looks like a line of pixels is jumping from one line on the screen to the line of pixels next and back. This problem gets worse if the distances are bigger to the point that they are only 1 pixel thick. This is what's causing the problems in racing games where the lines sometimes meet in infinaty and also in games like Serious Sam: The second Encounter where you can see very far in the open fields

[Cybercat]

Well old games like SS:SE you should be able to run at least 4xAA and high enough resolutions to all but relieve that problem, I would think.

HL2 should be able to run at close to 1600x1200 on a 6800GT, and while that may not fix the issue entirely, it certainly wouldn't worsen it.

[DilTech]

Try turning on the LOD Bias clamp alexio?

[alexio]

Try turning on the LOD Bias clamp alexio?

I didn't know this setting, where can I find it? In the driver or in Rivatuner?

I will try this if I get my other system to run again (no video for some reason, it's a motherboard issue it seems). The system I'm typing this from is a Shuttle SFF so I can't just put the card in, I need to change the PSU with a bigger one, etc.

[DilTech]

It's a driver setting, in the same area as AA and AF. Turn on advanced options to see it.

[DeltZ]

whoa awesome...my graphics card feels sad :P

[DilTech]

Guys, I'm just going to make one BOLD statement...

This card is *NOT* NVidia's big fish...

[RAMMAN]

so what is? g80?

[GoldenTiger]

Ooooh cryptic... either this card will not be much faster, or there will be an even better card to come!

[DilTech]

Oh, the card will still be obscenely fast, but...well.... You'll see what I mean.

I'm going to leave it at that for now, You'll see what I mean when the time comes.

[Starscream]

nah G80 wil be unified architekture that one wont b around for a while.

then what will Nvidias bigfish b if its not this monster, or do u mean bigfish in: there wil b a other nvidia card thats best bang per buck?

ps. Diltech u cna always PM me the info if u just have to get rid of it
:banana: trust me i can keep a secret, could a dutch guy lie?

[jetjaguar]

Oh, the card will still be obscenely fast, but...well.... You'll see what I mean.

I'm going to leave it at that for now, You'll see what I mean when the time comes.


as in months ? or a month

[DilTech]

Just watch the news section...

For now I'll leave you with this...

This card is only the answer to the R520, the R580 has MUCH stiffer competition.

[Shadowmage]

TheInq says 90nm G71 is coming soon, but by that time R580 will be out.

[k0nsl]

TheInq says 90nm G71 is coming soon, but by that time R580 will be out.

Somebody ought to tell ATi to first and foremost focus on their current series of graphic cards before they paper launch the next. Just to let us swallow this catastrophe [or "god-send" depending on what side you are] first.

:rolleyes:

-k0nsl

[Shadowmage]

That's Q1 2006.

X1800XT is supposed to launch Nov 5th, yet there's availability on Nov 3rd.

Are you feeling all right?

[LOE]

alexio - you mean that by bluring nvidia picture you get ati-like results? To me that sounds like you say "nvidia IQ is pefrect and I notice every little thing while ati-s IQ is blury hiding it all"

The things that you talk about depend on quality settings, you said that vsync fixes the mouse lag, as I said a few pages back, and so AA/AF fixes the other probs you speak of. After all they use different methods for aa and af, but let me remind you until the last generation of chips nvidia was calculating everything in a much higher precision.

[Der_KHAN]

...until the last generation of chips nvidia was calculating everything in a much higher precision.whats the last generation? the gtx? but it uses 32bit shaders as well.
what are you talking about? :confused:

[Ubermann]

If Nvidia releases yet another card "big fish" then why would someone pay those $600+ for this one Diltech ?

[softpain]

He said competition for the R580;so next year!
That could be in 5 months at least....

[Ubermann]

Of cuz there will be faster cards coming, but watching the news section for 5 month sounds boring =)
I thought he meant something coming soon..

[Tim]

Seems like there's gonna be a product launch from nVidia the 7th...

Something is being launched the 7th.....

http://www.scan.co.uk/

The green boxing gloves...

Round 1
Round 2
Round 3 ----> Knockout.

[slider99]

cool ad =)

and from here on the green goblin is the green glove

[Ubermann]

Some real green shops here:
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=2890

[Tim]

ATI has been playing catch up since the 6800 series.....nVidia has had the best position for a looong time now....and the whole of 2005 nVidia lead the market....delivering the first hardlaunch...they did it again with the GT....now it's gonna be three strikes and ATI is out....

I'm almost certain that nVidia will do a double launch this month....one at the 7th and one at the 14th......both hardlaunched.

Mid range and High end.

The 6800 PCIe has dissapeared....there is a large gap at the moment....the GS has been spotted in the 81.87 Beta drivers...so it's only fair to expect that card...it's gonna be a 16 pipe killer for a little more then $200.....excellent.

The 7600 is most likely to debut in December....probably 90nm.

If nVidia will pull off a Double Hardlaunch (4th hardlaunch in a row basically)....let's just say that they will have legendary status....

And they will do it again in January/Februari with it's G72....which will battle the R580.....nVidia just keeps pushing ATI...but ATI doesn't have the trump cards....they have every field covered...

That's my opinion.....

Did you guys see the new [H]ardOCP review on the XT? The difference between the BFG clocked at 460/1.3 and the XT is minimal in Quake4 even with the new Beta drivers (Actually the GTX still wins)....can you imagine what a spanking the 550/1800 card will do?

ATI get's knocked the Fuc|< out....

[Ubermann]

*edit* Just ignore it..

[Ubermann]

My point is nothing..keep on..

[Tim]

My point is nothing..keep on..

Oh lol sorry..... :)

[[XC] leviathan18]

well nvidia was kicked hard when the 9700 and 5600 times...

the last gen was very competitive but this is owned by nvidia

[DilTech]

Of cuz there will be faster cards coming, but watching the news section for 5 month sounds boring =)
I thought he meant something coming soon..

It won't be 5 months...

[slider99]

It won't be 5 months...
5 days? :D

[Tim]

Well all rumours point to Q1....R580 and the next nVidia card G7X :)

[slider99]

So should I upgrade this christmas (from 7800GTX 256 SLI to 512 SLI) or should I wait till Q1?

[jetjaguar]

same here .. is it even worth buying a 512 gtx if another one is due out in q1 of 06 ?? or should i just get another 256 gtx to hold me over

[softpain]

Dont ask him if you should wait;ask him if he will wait :)

[DilTech]

I'll tell you this much for now...

Quadros are being discontinued next round, as the gaming cards are to the point where they're as fast, if not FASTER, than the workstation cards.... Basically, that just means that there's no point in companies buying special cards anymore, and that studios will use the same cards to render things as we do to render games...

If what I was told yesterday is true(and it comes from someone who damn well should know!) then the r580 might as well not even be released....

[perkam]

There is nothing due out after the ULtra by either company until q2 2k6...fyi.

Rest of the stuff should be 7600/7200.

Perkam

[DilTech]

Perkam, I'd retract that statement...both camps are ready for something before q2.

[perkam]

Perkam, I'd retract that statement...both camps are ready for something before q2.

ATI will have to break its promise not to release the R580 before summer 2k6 that it made to its shareholders...and believe me, this isnt a company that can take its promises to its shareholders for granted anymore.

Perkam

[Shadowmage]

Jeez, stop being so obscure.

Q1 2006 = 90nm G71 and R580

There, I said it.

Also, link to the shareholder's statement?

[Tim]

Jeez, stop being so obscure.

Q1 2006 = 90nm G71 and R580

There, I said it.

Also, link to the shareholder's statement?

Use the search it's there... :)

Or :google:

[DilTech]

Jeez, stop being so obscure.

Q1 2006 = 90nm G71 and R580

There, I said it.

Also, link to the shareholder's statement?
Try the official ATi news thread.

Also, shadow, don't hold your breath on your estimate for Q1.

[perkam]

We do not expect ATI to launch its R580 (speculated to have 32 pixel pipelines) in C2005 (ATI does not want to stall the channel for the R520), and expect a refresh of the R500 family beginning in spring 2006 with RV560, followed by RV540 and RV505.

RV560/RV540/RV505 coming q1, R580 coming q2. All together now: "Are Oh Ay Dee, Emm Ay Pee !!!"

Perkam

[Ubermann]

If what I was told yesterday is true(and it comes from someone who damn well should know!) then the r580 might as well not even be released....

Thats odd cuz some day ago ATI management said R580 will be out in the Feb/06 timeframe.
Also they said ATI already has in-house chips designed on the 80nm node, and expects to be first to market with 65nm.

But this is way off topic =)

[jetjaguar]

well then post up what was said or dont post at all with ur rumors ..
why even post if all ur gonna say is .. if what i was told is true then the r580 shouldnt come out .. i guess ill start posting stuff like this :rolleyes:

[Starscream]

Diltech could mena 2 things with bigfish
either Nvidia launches a mainstream card with 256bit or they r futher with the G80 then everyone thinks and its being launched early.

unified architekture :)

[DilTech]

Thats odd cuz some day ago ATI management said R580 will be out in the Feb/06 timeframe.
Also they said ATI already has in-house chips designed on the 80nm node, and expects to be first to market with 65nm.

But this is way off topic =)


Link?

Also, it was ATi's ceo who stated that they cannot release the R580 early, I'd think he'd know better than anyone what they're doing.

Of course, you're right, this *IS* way off topic.

As for jet...be patient, first let me gather the :fact: .

[del_fuego]

i remember reading that the G80 design was complete and that this was the counter to the r580. Is this what you meant Dil?

http://www.techspot.com/news/18126-nvidia-g80-uses-unified-shader-approach.html

del.

[slider99]

Well, if the G70 indeed is the NV47 and this new G71 perhaps is NV48/NV50 or something... then it wouldn't be to odd if they released the real (original) G70 (now G80) some half a year after original NV47... not saying this has to be the case though.

[DilTech]

Now, my current question is this...

Going by NVidia's usual name scheme, The cards have always followed a similiar pattern in core names.
NV10 = Geforce 256
NV15 = Geforce2
NV20 = Geforce3
NV25 = Geforce4Ti
NV30 = GeforceFX5800
NV35 = Geforce5900Ultra
NV40 = Geforce 6800U/NU/GT
NV45 = Geforce6800Ultra(PCI-E)
G70 = 7800GTX/GT/512mbGTX

Now, the high end's generally fell on the 0's and 5's, there's a few exceptions like the 5950Ultra(NV38, even though it was the same chip as the 5900). Therefore, why are people all assuming that the G71 and G72 are high end parts? Because the inq said so?...The Nxx1/2's generally were midrange/low-end cards, why would that all change now? For a mental note, the NV31 was the 5600, and the NV41 was the 6800nu pci-e, with the NV42 being a die-shrunk NV41(to 110nm). They've always been mainstreamish cards.

Now, this isn't part of the info I've recieved, it's just something I've since noticed on my own... I'm almost positive these sites have got it all wrong.

[slider99]

DilTech > Because, generally, nVidia's high end fell on the NVxx, not Gxx. Now that the very most fundamental part of the naming scheme has fallen, who knows what to expect? Anything's possible!

NV48 was supposed to be another exception btw. NV47 too. So the changing naming scheme started back in the NV3x days, was supposed to change even more in the NV4x days and now, finally, is completely off in the G7x present!

[Cybercat]

The 6800 PCIe has dissapeared....there is a large gap at the moment....
Uh, don't know what you're going on, but you only have to look in actual retail outlets to see the 6800 is a live and well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=679%3A9573&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=48&Submit=Property

[Ubermann]

He quoted this:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27440

[Cybercat]

Well that article was wrong.

[perkam]

Well that article was wrong.

TheInq has the tendency to have stuff that Fuad assumes on impulse. :rolleyes: I've said it many times: packet of salt anyone ? :)

Perkam

[DilTech]

DilTech > Because, generally, nVidia's high end fell on the NVxx, not Gxx. Now that the very most fundamental part of the naming scheme has fallen, who knows what to expect? Anything's possible!

NV48 was supposed to be another exception btw. NV47 too. So the changing naming scheme started back in the NV3x days, was supposed to change even more in the NV4x days and now, finally, is completely off in the G7x present!

NV48 wasn't meant to be a high-end part. NV48 was the low-high end, much like the 6800nu was to the 6800ultra. NV47 was renamed to the G70, as the NV47 was a refresh to the NV40, nv45 was already being used for the 6800ultra pci-e. They're still on the same naming structure they were, just like with the FX5950, they used a non-5 jump because the 5 was already used and it the 5950U wasn't worth the NV40 name.

Now going by our own common sense here, and what we've become use to from NVidia, one would assume the G71 is either the 7800GS or the 7600, with the G72 being the other. The 90nm G70(if there is one, at this point NVidia could just say why bother with what I'm being told), would then likely come in as the G75. The G80 being the next new architecture....

This has been how NVidia's naming system has always worked, read back thru their history slider, you'll see this "Gxx" is actually a throwback to their older generations.

Again I say it, I have a sinking feeling that everyone has been misled by the G71/G72 fiasco.

Finally, I still stand by my statement, the 7800GTX 512mb isn't the big fish in this pond.

[Cybercat]

NV48 was the low-high end, much like the 6800nu was to the 6800ultra.

Finally, I still stand by my statement, the 7800GTX 512mb isn't the big fish in this pond.
The NV48 is the 512MB version of the 6800 Ultra. A quick search will tell you the same thing.

Also, either you're under NDA, or you just like knowing something nobody else does, and absorbing the spotlight from it. For right now, the 7800GTX 512MB is the biggest thing we've got, and if you'd like to dispell that, be my guest. Otherwise keep it to yourself before spreading around useless hype.

[softpain]

He just said it.."in less then 5 months" "The 90nm G70(if there is one, at this point NVidia could just say why bother with what I'm being told), would then likely come in as the G75. The G80 being the next new architecture...."

Something is wrong though it doesnt make sense....I may have missread something ;-)

[jetjaguar]

so basically another 5-6 months until nvidia's next big card .. just seems like their normal cycle .. every 6 months .. still unsure of what to do

sell my current 7800gtx for a 512 or get another 256 and hold me over until the 90nm one is out :confused:

[DilTech]

The NV48 is the 512MB version of the 6800 Ultra. A quick search will tell you the same thing.

Also, either you're under NDA, or you just like knowing something nobody else does, and absorbing the spotlight from it. For right now, the 7800GTX 512MB is the biggest thing we've got, and if you'd like to dispell that, be my guest. Otherwise keep it to yourself before spreading around useless hype.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/31/nvidia_preps_gforce_7800gs/

Are you positive of that statement?

[Cybercat]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/31/nvidia_preps_gforce_7800gs/

Are you positive of that statement?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21476

http://www.ngohq.com/showthread.php?t=3239

Unfortunately many websites can't get straight on that.

[DilTech]

The first one is the inq, the second one is dated october 18th, 2005... FARRRR after the 512mb 6800ultra came out. I kind of doubt it'd take so long to surface in a driver, and even more-so doubt it'd need a whole new core to do the exact same thing but add another 256mb of ram.

Anyone got a picture of the gpu on the 6800ultra 512mb?

Also, Allow me to point something out cybercat. Every site that says the 512mb 6800Ultra is the NV48 all cite the inq's story as their source. Why would the 6800ultra need to be the NV48 to handle 512mb while the 512mb 6800gt stayed the same core?..

[Shadowmage]

The NV48 is the 512MB version of the 6800 Ultra. A quick search will tell you the same thing.

Also, either you're under NDA, or you just like knowing something nobody else does, and absorbing the spotlight from it. For right now, the 7800GTX 512MB is the biggest thing we've got, and if you'd like to dispell that, be my guest. Otherwise keep it to yourself before spreading around useless hype.

Agreed. Either back up your statements, or stop posting baseless rumors.

EDIT: I'm also under NVIDIA NDA, but you don't see *ME* attention-whoring myself, do you?

[Cybercat]

The first one is the inq, the second one is dated october 18th, 2005... FARRRR after the 512mb 6800ultra came out. I kind of doubt it'd take so long to surface in a driver, and even more-so doubt it'd need a whole new core to do the exact same thing but add another 256mb of ram.

Anyone got a picture of the gpu on the 6800ultra 512mb?

Also, Allow me to point something out cybercat. Every site that says the 512mb 6800Ultra is the NV48 all cite the inq's story as their source. Why would the 6800ultra need to be the NV48 to handle 512mb while the 512mb 6800gt stayed the same core?..
October 18th is not the first time it was surfaced, they're just pointing it out. Also, they're not referencing the Inq, either. NGO had a news article earlier that said something along the lines of "interesting to see the NV48 hasn't died either". Then they updated it, saying the NV48 is the 6800 Ultra 512MB. Makes me think NVIDIA clued them in on this.

Getting a picture of the core of the 6800 Ultra won't help you either. They don't say what they are.

Also, the 6800GT 512MB also uses the NV48. It's even built on the same PCB. Funny how you assumed it to be different.

[Shadowmage]

I do believe that the cores are physically called NV48 as well. There's proof of people having NV48 cores in their 6800GT (it's by chance), just do a google search.

[Cybercat]

Well I have a 6600 core sitting right next to me and it doesn't say "NV43" on it. A quick picture search for the NV40 shows me the same thing.

[DilTech]

Eh, if I'm wrong about the 512mb 6800ultra then my mistake. I don't keep up on WAY overpriced cards from either company, especially ones that cost $1000. My mistake on that one. Makes sense though, considering the NV38 was the 5950ultra, and it was the same exact chip as the NV35 with .1v extra.

As for what shadow said about attention whoring...There's no attention whoring...

It's called dropping hints, it's something people have done for years with message boards.Much like how your favorite site, beyond3d, "drops hints" on ATi cards.

BTW, I'm not under NDA, I just figure there's no point in telling everything until I know everything. For now, I'm merely doing what's known as a "service", by telling the people there IS a much bigger fish in this sea.

If I was to say everything I know right this second, I'd just have about 10 pages of people screaming bs, like what happens everytime someone posts about having a new unreleased FX or intel chip. Words mean nothing, therefore, I'm merely saying there's a MUCH bigger fish in the sea, and leaving it at that. You can take it how you want to take it, believe me or call me out on it, doesn't really bother me. However, keep up the attitude about it and I'll honestly just keep everything to myself when that time comes(as in proof NO ONE can argue with). It's irritating to make posts that are meant to be helpful only to have flames occur....

I'm not giving a heads up for attention, I'm giving a heads up just to let you know, there's more with this came from.

[k0nsl]

I appreciate your posts, DilTech. They are informative and I do value them :toast:

-k0nsl

[Ubermann]

As Rollo said, THIS is the card to get (GTX 512) and he get info before other people here it seems. But he havent said anything about the card you talking about.
I thought you wanted people to buy this card ? should they wait instead ?

[DilTech]

My advice... Buy the 512mb 7800GTX, EVGA brand. Preferrably in december, just to give you a full Q1 span for stepping up. Step-up will be your best friend if the timeframe I'm told is true. If the date I'm told is wrong, then you still have your card, at $50 - $100 less than they'll cost the day they release, and you're not waiting 6 months for a new card. Nobody loses anything. If stepping up won't be an option, well, have a buyer on hand....When all else fails, EBay is your friend.

I have a sinking feeling that NVidia's plan this round is to run ATi out of options. We know that ATi cannot release the R600 until late next year... period.

So, throw out the GTX and make them throw the R520. Throw the 512mb GTX and make them throw the R580... Then, go for the kill....

Rollo said this is the card to get for good reason, because the day it comes out the gate no competition will come close judging by overclocked scores of cards close to those levels. I cannot say that for sure though, I haven't had hands on time with the 512mb GTX. I'm pretty sure though that we all know the 512mb GTX will be a BEAST!

[JuanFlaiter]

RV560/RV540/RV505 coming q1, R580 coming q2. All together now: "Are Oh Ay Dee, Emm Ay Pee !!!"

Perkam

R580 Q1 ;)

Besides, WFC about hardware that doesn´t exist, there will always be incoming hardware. If everyone waited for the best big deal to come, nobody would buy computers. Well as long as you get :banana: with a GF FX type fiasco you are good to go with any of the new gen cards.

[Ubermann]

OT: I did read something about GPU wars here:
http://omid.tomshardware.com/

Once ATI and Nvidia have all their console, handheld, motherboard, and add-in card partners firing on all cylinders, there is not much to differentiate them. That is until we get one more round of leapfrog, and the whole damn cycle starts again.

Mad Money GPU's, its a good read.

[DilTech]

Exactly Juan, if a card has everything you need, buy it. If it doesn't, or you're close enough to the next launch, simply wait.

It's not rocket science... That's why you gotta love the step-up program. Have a new card now, get a newer card later, without losing the money you spent on the first card. Win-Win situation for everyone!

[Ubermann]

To bad we dont have anything like that in Sweden =(

[DilTech]

Ouch, my condolences.

[Xassius]

Just when I thought I'd order a X1800XT ;)

[Cybercat]

OT: I did read something about GPU wars here:
http://omid.tomshardware.com/

Mad Money GPU's, its a good read.
It doesn't look like the author of the article realizes that the design of the Xbox 360's GPU was sold to Microsoft, to be made by them.

EDIT: Eh, nevermind, that's not what matters.

[Tim]

No eVGA here in the UK either....aw well.. I should be able to last till G80...there's probably gonna be an awesome high end card...but I can't wait any longer.... :)

[Tim]

wil i get such score if i put two of them in sli?
3Dmark03---->LOL (http://users.pandora.be/StrategyHeaven/60k.JPG)
:lol2:

Yes you will :D :D :p: j/k

[Martijn]

Wow, that's a HUGE cooler. Is this a quiet solution? The fan seems to be big...

[Kenetixx]

Damn i just get the money together to get a 7800GTX (now looking at 2) and they bring this out , damn i wish i didnt have 4 kids id have way more money to waste on hardware:P

[perkam]

damn i wish i didnt have 4 kids lol...Nice 4 kids. :) Now how bout i find your e-mail address and send that last post to the wifey ;) lol...priorities !!!

Anyhoo, i see these entering retail channels for pre-order, so apparently these are very real. Though I'm surprised to reviews popped up yet.

Perkam

[-R@mi-]

The fanATIcs dont go nuts as the Nv people do.
This is a monster card but i would still take the XT.
I never really liked my GTX in gaming.

(This is not the start of a flame war!)



WTF ?? :confused:

[alexio]

ATI doesn't care they lost the R500 to M$, they make much more money with that deal anyway. Zero RMA, more chips are sold, etcetera. The high-end market isn't big at all, they make the most money by selling OEM cards and 90% of those cards aren't high-end.

I see the battle for the fastest card available more as a prestige object for both ATI and Nvidia. If the fastest card is made by Nvidia then all lower parts for the same price as the ATI counterparts should be better than those counterparts. It takes a while before the opinion if either ATI or Nvidia is best change because 70% of the people that buy retail cards from ATI don't go through all those reviews. ATI can afford to lose the performance crown for now. No way ATI is history because it is a few fps slower than Nvidia's counterpart.

The R3** core was always better than Nvidia's NV3* core and those were sold in large quantities too.

WTF ?? :confused:

He isn't the only one. Please do a good search if you buy anything. Don't only look at fps and then make the decission which card you like most. Some people (including me) don't like Nvidia's image quality or are having unstable fps and/or mouse lag. Make sure to chose the card you like most. Only decide after you've taken everything into acount (including feedback from people that bought the 7800GTX already) and then decide which is best. Remember: still image doesn't say much about the image quality during gameplay.

[Tim]

ATI doesn't make one penny of the Xbox360 Alexio....they sold the design..no royalties...they only made money off selling the design. :)

That's why MS went with ATI..they had to pay royalties to nVidia on the Xbox....


Wow, that's a HUGE cooler. Is this a quiet solution? The fan seems to be big...

Everyone says that's it's really quiet....Quadro reviewers say the same....so that's awesome (much better then the Vacuum-o-X850 style cooler)


He isn't the only one. Please do a good search if you buy anything. Don't only look at fps and then make the decission which card you like most. Some people (including me) don't like Nvidia's image quality or are having unstable fps and/or mouse lag. Make sure to chose the card you like most. Only decide after you've taken everything into acount (including feedback from people that bought the 7800GTX already) and then decide which is best. Remember: still image doesn't say much about the image quality during gameplay.

Rofl...I'm sure that no reviewer played with the cards, they just showed the screenshots ;)

[alexio]

ATI doesn't make one penny of the Xbox360 Alexio....they sold the design..no royalties...they only made money off selling the design. :)


Well, I bet they still made more money with this than using the design themselves. Maybe they just sold the design because the computer market isn't ready yet for a unified shader architecture. It takes a lot of time before engines have been made to take advantage of this design. Xbox 360 games (atleast the good ones) are made specially to take advantage of this.

[Ubermann]

Rofl...I'm sure that no reviewer played with the cards, they just showed the screenshots

Uhh i play with my card also but sorry for having my own opinion.

[Tim]

Uhh i play with my card also but sorry for having my own opinion.

No problem...I have one too :) :p:

[Revv23]

My advice... Buy the 512mb 7800GTX, EVGA brand. Preferrably in december, just to give you a full Q1 span for stepping up. Step-up will be your best friend if the timeframe I'm told is true. If the date I'm told is wrong, then you still have your card, at $50 - $100 less than they'll cost the day they release, and you're not waiting 6 months for a new card. Nobody loses anything. If stepping up won't be an option, well, have a buyer on hand....When all else fails, EBay is your friend.

I have a sinking feeling that NVidia's plan this round is to run ATi out of options. We know that ATi cannot release the R600 until late next year... period.

So, throw out the GTX and make them throw the R520. Throw the 512mb GTX and make them throw the R580... Then, go for the kill....

Rollo said this is the card to get for good reason, because the day it comes out the gate no competition will come close judging by overclocked scores of cards close to those levels. I cannot say that for sure though, I haven't had hands on time with the 512mb GTX. I'm pretty sure though that we all know the 512mb GTX will be a BEAST!


i just thought of something, it doesnt really seem like its that hard to get more mhz out of XT's, seems with better power circuits there could be alot more potential there... just thinking outloud here, but seems to me like ATI has a chance with the 520 core, 1800mhz memory, 700+ on core, XT PE anyone? that sure would give the GTX 512 a run for its money.

[Tim]

i just thought of something, it doesnt really seem like its that hard to get more mhz out of XT's, seems with better power circuits there could be alot more potential there... just thinking outloud here, but seems to me like ATI has a chance with the 520 core, 1800mhz memory, 700+ on core, XT PE anyone? that sure would give the GTX 512 a run for its money.

I don't think people will respond well to another Phantom Edition.... :p: j/k

[DilTech]

i just thought of something, it doesnt really seem like its that hard to get more mhz out of XT's, seems with better power circuits there could be alot more potential there... just thinking outloud here, but seems to me like ATI has a chance with the 520 core, 1800mhz memory, 700+ on core, XT PE anyone? that sure would give the GTX 512 a run for its money.

ATi won't be able to push the ram that high, they didn't buy into the 1.1ns ram, they used 1.26ns. ATi are crazy, but surely not stupid. They can't afford to go testing those 1.26ns chips and hope for them to run stable at 1800mhz, that'd just cost them even MORE money on testing, as currently there's pretty much zero testing they have to do on the ram. They already spent too much money making the R520, they can't afford to go even higher considering the amount of R4xx chips that didn't sell and are likely going to end up being thrown away. It's in the double digit millions loss wise there.

They could do 700/1600, but I just can't see them trying higher than that on the ram. Time will tell though.

[Tim]

From what the rumours are.....550Mhz is easy on the new 512meg GTX....expect 800mhz+ on phase....if test samples made 800Mhz on air.....well....you don't have to be a genious to figure out a range of 3DMarks that you will get...

Anyway...I'd say let's all just wait and see...for all we know the 800Mhz was done on a 90nm core..and not on the 110nm....(not saying that it will be 90nm for those who read the sentence wrong) :)

[Lithan]

Do we have any idea the power consumption of this thing? Looks brutal performance-wise, but a consideration is power usage, especially for those who plan to SLI it. If you need to buy a 600+watt ($250+) PSU just to run them, that's a price bump to consider. Sli 6800gt's run just dandy on my cheap fort 400, but I highly doubt this would as well

[Ubermann]

for all we know the 800Mhz was done on a 90nm core

Where do you find that info ?

[perkam]

I doubt the core will scale that high on 110nm...architectural limitations...And i doubt it'll be 90nm...otherwise it wouldn't need that cooler.

Perkam

[alexio]

...And i doubt it'll be 90nm...otherwise it wouldn't need that cooler.

Perkam

The X1800 XT is 90nm and runs extremely hot. To go from 110nm to 90nm you have do make a lot of changes in the architecture.

It's not like 90nm uses 100 - (90 : 110 * 100) = 18% less power at the same frequency and vcore. It isn't that simple.

[Ubermann]

He made up half of what he said himself.
Not enough rumours ? Make your own ;)

[Tim]

He made up half of what he said himself.
Not enough rumours ? Make your own ;)

JESUS guys......my english isn't great but where did I say it's gonna be 90nm???

Sources told the Inq that it ran at 800Mhz (some test samples)

Now see what I wrote..


for all we know the 800Mhz was done on a 90nm core..and not on the 110nm....(not saying that it will be 90nm for those who read the sentence wrong)

Maybe the Inq got fooled into thinking it was a 110nm core? Maybe it was just a test sample