Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB - Info Here [Archive] - Page 2

DilTech

11-07-2005, 12:07 AM

The 512mb GT has been around for awhile, but the 6800GS is definitely new. There's not even any reviews out on it yet.

As for the 12 pipes at 425 core, that's IDENTICAL to the 6800ultra go, the mobile 6800ultra. It *should* maul a stock 6800gt with ease.

Also, IIRC, the NV42 it's based off of is 110nm instead of 130, so it should clock higher too.

:::edit:::
Yep, it's the 6800GS
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27493
Launched today, already up for sale at monarchcomputers, and surely will be at other stores too before the end of the day.

I *LOVE* NVidia's new launch policy this year!

Starscream

11-07-2005, 12:38 AM

the one i found in a webshop near home is 10 euro cheaper then a real 6800GT :stick: so price wil have to drop a bit.

was hoping for the 7800GS.
but maybe they aint launching the 7800GS til theyve dumped their NV40/NV42 cores.

einCe

11-07-2005, 01:33 AM

read it here: http://www.theinq.net/?article=27492

NVIDIA'S flagship Geforce 7800 GTX card with 512 MB is expected next Monday the 14th of November,and we have some pricing details about how many greenbacks this card will cost.

Nvidia has priced this card at high as $649. A new card working at 550MHz core and 1700+ for the memory will certainly be a faster option than X1800XT 512 MB card but will cost you exactly $100 more than the $549, the suggested retail price of the Radeon X1800XT.

Piotrsama

11-07-2005, 02:56 AM

But, is that MSRP or final retail (after prices settle)???

krille

11-07-2005, 03:13 AM

MSRP it seems, and looking at GTX and GT hard launches the (final) retail price will probably start dropping real soon (after release), while it doesn't seem to be exactly the same with the X1800XT (it's not even available in Sweden, where I live, for another months or so, while GTX was en masse at launch day!). Things are starting to look real interesting.

Nvidia has priced this card at high as $649.
(nVidia only determines MSRP, nothing else.)

Tim

11-07-2005, 03:25 AM

On the expensive side, but I'm still getting one :D :D

Prices will probably drop pretty fast in the first 2 weeks :)

Tim

11-07-2005, 03:25 AM

I think they will still launcht the 7800GS this month.... :)

Hicks

11-07-2005, 05:46 AM

Not surprising really, 512mb of memory running at over 1700mhz, ain't gonna be cheap, still stupid prices IMO.

How much does it cost Nvidia to make each one? If it's anywhere near that ill eat my own arm. :rolleyes:

einCe

11-07-2005, 06:06 AM

bah, ill be damned if it costs them more than 10 dollars to make each card.

ettis

11-07-2005, 06:08 AM

lol... Here in Sweden the gtx 512 costs over 1000 US dollars so far.

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 06:17 AM

It better perform better then 2X7800GT at that price.

God! the price here in sweden really is :shock2:

LeadTek Geforce 7800GTX Extreme, 512MB DDR3, TV-Out, 2*DVI, HDTV, VIVO, 16X PCIe [Limited Edition]

Limited ? Now i understand what Rollo means with "lucky enough to get one"

Win the reviews and fade out ?

Der_KHAN

11-07-2005, 06:22 AM

wrong...power is not a function of voltage in that changing the voltage doesn't make the system use more power....amps lower as voltage rises and vice versa...there is much more to this than playing with voltages... :nono:if that was true than there would be no point in buying "Low-Voltage" and "Ultra Low-Voltage" processors.

but just to make sure that u get my point: deleted for the sake of getting back on topic :D

Tim

11-07-2005, 06:39 AM

vapb400

11-07-2005, 07:08 AM

Well you have to realize the 7800GTX msrp is $599, so we are paying only $50 more for the much better 512MB GTX. Also take into account that the GTX's are $460-$500, so I would say that the 512's end up being $50-$60 more than that.

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 07:16 AM

But if this card is limited then i dont see price dropping.
Maybe its only Leaktek that is limited.

Tim

11-07-2005, 07:17 AM

I'd say prices will be much much lower by the end of the month....especially if availability is high :)

Hmm...I'm really wondering what this card will do....probably insanely fast... :D

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 07:20 AM

If i could afford it i would buy one, but i dont =(
First good clocker to get them will take down the ORB.

Sheik

11-07-2005, 07:30 AM

On the expensive side, but I'm still getting one :D :D

Tim sure has it on for this card :D

Post Edited, Can't use that Language - Perkam

Tim

11-07-2005, 07:37 AM

Tim sure has it on for this card :D

Ow man it's horrible....I have been waiting for so long (on X1800XT or higher end nVidia part...)

Since June..... :eek: I want a new card soooo badly...it's gonna be cooled with a Maze4 :D

Hicks

11-07-2005, 07:38 AM

The price of video cards is stupid, espeically when my 400pound GTX can't run COD2 how i want it to, and wasn't exactly fast in FEAR.

In the good old days, the Geforce 2 Ultra, was like 250-300quid max as the flagship, same with the Ti4600, etc. Getting close to 500quid for a video card is pathetic, and it's a complete con.

Sheik

11-07-2005, 07:42 AM

Ow man it's horrible....I have been waiting for so long (on X1800XT or higher end nVidia part...)

Since June..... :eek: I want a new card soooo badly...it's gonna be cooled with a Maze4 :D

Go for it man ... YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE :D

If it's that much in dollars I shudder to think what I'll cost over here :mad:

CrashOv3r1De

11-07-2005, 07:43 AM

Looks like I am getting 2

freecableguy

11-07-2005, 08:01 AM

better get me 4

Tim

11-07-2005, 08:04 AM

That avvy is awesome mate....Laser Mittens :D

It's gonna be awfully expensive here in the uk though.....maybe 470 Pounds? Who knows :p:

perkam

11-07-2005, 09:05 AM

better get me 4 Meow...what bout those GTXs with quadro hsfs ?

:confused: Here today, gone tomorrow ?? lol

Will be interesting to see how this performance...considering higher clocked XTs will take another month to arrive by partners :shakes:

Perkam

Ub3r-L33ch

11-07-2005, 09:32 AM

Hell at that price I'll probably have to hire someone to handle it for me so I dont accidently break it, thats alot of damn money... but I still have to get it.

DilTech

11-07-2005, 10:07 AM

Tim has been waiting patiently for a new card, his original plan was to buy a X1800XT, but ATi has simply made him wait entirely too long. Now, NVidia show him this, can you blame him for jumping for joy at it?

Personally, I'm even plannin on getting one(evga for the step up plan, probably in december to cover me for Q1). considering I've been working ATLEAST 12 hours a day, DAILY, and owe myself a VERY nice christmas present. This should make the season jolly, no?

As for $649, I agree that's a bit steep, but beats the $699 alot of etailers want for the x1800xt(like ZZF). I won't pay that much regardless, if I snag one it'd have to be $549 or less.

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 10:13 AM

As for $649, I agree that's a bit steep, but beats the $699 alot of etailers want for the x1800xt(like ZZF). I won't pay that much regardless, if I snag one it'd have to be $549 or less.

You think $699 is much for an X1800XT ? Is there more then 1 store that want that price ?
Then the $1000 for the GTX 512 in sweden is horrible.
We havent seen the prices in US yet, i dont expect it to be just $649 first weeks but i may be wrong.

DilTech

11-07-2005, 10:30 AM

zip zoom fly and allstarshop both want $699 last time I checked. There's others too, I just don't have time to google for them.

As for the $649, I agree that's very steep. As for $1000 in sweden, all i can say is ouch, perhaps wait til it actually comes out and see what the price ends up. I get the feeling they're trying to get those "gotta be first" pre-orderers to pay an arm and a leg.

perkam

11-07-2005, 10:36 AM

Hey dil, you had 512 posts when you posted that last post ... Jinx !!

Also, when XT's come in quantities, it'll come back down real quick. PPl have already bought them from Newegg for $599, so price gouging is still pretty rare.

And it would be too optimistic for us not to expect pricegouging on something that has an msrp of $50 more ;)

$749 for your 512MB GTX anyone ? ;)

Perkam

DilTech

11-07-2005, 10:43 AM

Eh, there wasn't any price gouging on the 7800gtx 256 perkam, or the 7800gt for that matter.

It's hard to price gouge a product that every store has ample supply of.

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 10:50 AM

We dont know how many every store gets yet.
Anything can happen even if they done really really good lately.
I soon start bashing ATi myself for lack of cards =)

DilTech

11-07-2005, 10:53 AM

The other thing to note, when it comes to price gouging, the 6800gs launched at under MSRP as well(msrp is $249).

Like em or not, you can't help but be impressed with the new way NVidia does launches now. Doesn't matter what "team" you prefer.

revenant

11-07-2005, 11:20 AM

I have been seeing some good OC number for the GS card.. wow... 500+ core speeds... 1200+ memory... the memory is the same as a stock 6800GT.. 2ns modules... nothing special.. but still and all. this is quite a card for the sub $200 range. wow. These are likely GTX cores which would not even make the 7800GT cut.. must be part of the "no wafers go unused" policy at Nvidia. heh.. ;)

Tim

11-07-2005, 11:23 AM

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Seems like one will release core at 590mhz, wonder if anyone will go 600 or above.
Diltech its EVGA that might have that core speed =)

Tim

11-07-2005, 12:10 PM

Seems like one will release core at 590mhz, wonder if anyone will go 600 or above.
Diltech its EVGA that might have that core speed =)

Geez....590Mhz is nuts.....no..make that insane.

I have the rig setup...waiting for GFX... :D :D

About the MSRP...I wouldn't worry about it....the GS is 6800GS is $249 and Newegg lists them as $209.....I'd say could be lower...but it's a different animal ofcourse....all will depent on availability....

jetjaguar

11-07-2005, 12:10 PM

yeah i think im gonna wait and see if evga releases a KO version with the core over 600 .. i bet most companies like BFG and leadtek will have versions where the core speed is like 580-590

DilTech

11-07-2005, 12:14 PM

I advise the EVGA card to anyone who can use the step up program, just so you're covered for Q1 2k6, regardless of who has the best "stock clocks".

revenant

11-07-2005, 12:26 PM

Pics are not the 512meg just the Leadtek Extreme edition...pics are only for reference... :)

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4746/topview0me.gif

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7135/frontview7pg.gif

(Thanks to Brett van Kirk EOCF :) )

Yeeeeikes. talk about sucking hot air off the back of another card... Seems like a tighter fit than the 6800Ultras were... these stock HSFs will be lovin the 2 slot gap sli boards... or water blocks :)

DilTech

11-07-2005, 12:28 PM

IIRC, that heatsink pulls the air from the side of the card that the power cable is on, runs it thru, and exhausts it out the back of the case... It doesn't pull the air thru the fan.

Revv23

11-07-2005, 12:29 PM

Nonono....amperage * voltage = wattage. Therefore lower volts != lower amps. A downward shift in one will cause the other to go up, however, at the same wattage. Since less voltage is needed with smaller processes, amps can go up with the same power envelope which means you can power more transistors. Or, with the exact same # of transistors, you can have reduced power.

this is what i meant, i must be dislexic or something. :slap:

Starscream

11-07-2005, 12:29 PM

the difrence is some stores got smal supplies of the X1800XT and already started price gouging by upping the asking price alot.

some stores are price gouging on a card that isnt even launched yet and whos specs arent even 100% set yet (7800GTX512).
when the 14th is there and if we see an other hardlaunch then we will see the pirces drop hard and those people that actualy paid 1000 dollars for that card to reserve it wel they wil go mental.

simply forget the prices some stores are atm asking for the 512Mb GTX and wait for the 14th the launchdate.

Tim

11-07-2005, 12:32 PM

simply forget the prices some stores are atm asking for the 512Mb GTX and wait for the 14th the launchdate.

I definitely agree... :)

Not too long now :D

revenant

11-07-2005, 12:34 PM

IIRC, that heatsink pulls the air from the side of the card that the power cable is on, runs it thru, and exhausts it out the back of the case... It doesn't pull the air thru the fan.

Ahh! that's a good thing... I just saw the open top with the blades and assumed that was the intake, and the exhaust was on both ends..

DilTech

11-07-2005, 12:36 PM

1 week away until the first ever "2 cards in 7 days" hard launch!...

Tim

11-07-2005, 12:38 PM

1 week away until the first ever "2 cards in 7 days" hard launch!...

Never thought about it that way..... :p:

Anyway...I really hope they don't mess up the launch....what will happen if they pull it off? I can't imagine.

History books...I can tell you that......

rick_fx

11-07-2005, 12:47 PM

Anyway...I really hope they don't mess up the launch....what will happen if they pull it off?

ATI will be :owned: j/k

Starscream

11-07-2005, 12:48 PM

a small passage in a history book no one will ever read.

i think if the the 14th the next card is hardlaunched u should really wait a week or 2 and sit on ur wallet cause i think prices will drop a few bucks a day.

dnavarro

11-07-2005, 12:48 PM

So I was checking the EVGA forums and came across a thread where an EVGA moderator was making som interesting statements....

"Also, I have not seen the actual Card or it's spec sheets, but I have it on good authority that the 7800 GTX512 will have a Newer Tweaked PCB Board, a 512 Bit interface, 512MB's of Samsung 1.1ns GDDR3 RAM with a 900MHz Frequency with 1.8GBps Maximum Data Rate. The Speculation is that this GPU may be based on 110nm or that it could actually be the new 90nm Dice(G71) with 7800 architecture which has 24 Pixel Pipes, 16 ROPS, and 8 Vertex Shader. We know that Nvidia has been quitly tapping out 90nm cores for some time now. Yet again, this is only speculation. We will find out for sure when either someone leaks a picture, of a "naked" GTX512 with its Heatsink and Fan Assy removed, or We will find out when the NDA is lifted on the GTX512 Luanch Day which is now tentativly November 14th.JKohl

BTW according to the Newegg website the ATI X1800XT has only a 256 Bit Interface for its 512MB 1.2ns GDDR3 Memory."

See here...
http://www.evga.com/Community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8730&whichpage=3

Quite interesting comments if he is in the know.... and he has already pretty much confirmed the release date and even model versions (waterblock "black pearl" version on its way etc.). As for price he never mentions anything below 600-650 and says it will be high. Just thought this was an interesting read...

D

revenant

11-07-2005, 12:56 PM

1.1ns with 512bit int?... (in my best Ace Ventura voice) reeeeheeeheeeheeallly.

Looks like Nvidia is putting the armor piercing rounds in it's clip. ;)

Starscream

11-07-2005, 01:01 PM

i thought 512bit bus was to complex/expensive to be reasonable?

but the ram ns etc was already confirmed more or less by previous leaks and that evga would again bring a watercooled card was also thinkable (they did release a watercooled gtx rite?)

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 01:12 PM

IIRC, that heatsink pulls the air from the side of the card that the power cable is on, runs it thru, and exhausts it out the back of the case... It doesn't pull the air thru the fan.

The quadro fan blows out in both ends.

dnavarro

11-07-2005, 01:34 PM

I am not sure how much of what he is saying can be believed, but I thought his pricing talk was in line with what we have been hearing...650ish. ALso he seemed to confirm that the default speeds of the "non KO" EVGA cards would be 550/1800. So I wonder how high they will clock the others?

D

Tim

11-07-2005, 01:36 PM

What the?

Zipzoomfly

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=322746

470/1700....what the f*? VERY odd :D :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39597&stc=1

dnavarro

11-07-2005, 01:38 PM

Edit..beat me to it lol :)

Woah check it out...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=322746

GTX512MB @ 599.00... Not sure if it will stay that way but sure would be nice :)

BTW, looking at the spec sheet, i hope the core speed is wrong. If not this changes everything.....

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 01:41 PM

470 ?!

highoctane

11-07-2005, 01:42 PM

Nice, I'm ready to order already, maybe they will be released before the 14th! :D

Doh, my eyes where playing tricks on me, I thought the clock speed was 570, 470 gets no luv from me.

perkam

11-07-2005, 01:45 PM

So I guess we now know how they can clock that high, by scaling down the core.

Our Price: $599.00Ouch...$50 below MSRP at launch :(

OT--> Srry, but does anyone remember the method for calculating memory bandwith ? :confused: Thx :)

Perkam

Tim

11-07-2005, 01:45 PM

470 ?!

Yea?! Typo? I can't believe they put it on the web...still NDA right?

Aw well..we saw an XFX do 580/1730....Inq told us 550/1800 stock...

I don't trust a single online store :D

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 01:47 PM

Might be their "low end" version.
256bit interface so 512bit was wrong.

revenant

11-07-2005, 01:48 PM

WHOA... hrm... that's got a lower core clock than we anticipated... but maybe it's volted well for good OCing?

Revv23

11-07-2005, 01:50 PM

470 mhz?

man im confuzed.

Ubermann

11-07-2005, 01:54 PM

Zipzoom crashed ?

dnavarro

11-07-2005, 01:56 PM

Lets hope so.....*prays it is 570*
BTW if this is there low end model, it falls in line with being a GTX with 512MB of faster RAM. At 599.00 list price that means the regular GTX's "MSRP" should fall as those are currently 599 too right???

D

perkam

11-07-2005, 01:57 PM

Zipzoom crashed ? No.

But it seems people are eager to post the same information in two threads on the same subject, let's take away this inconvenience. :)

--Threads Merged--

Perkam

Tim

11-07-2005, 02:09 PM

No.

But it seems people are eager to post the same information in two threads on the same subject, let's take away this inconvenience. :)

--Threads Merged--

Perkam

Yea mate, sorry....it's also kinda nuts to have two threads...anyway, thanks for merging...but now I had a double post!!@! :D

Deleted one ;)

I really....have no idea what to expect..honestly...$599 sure is nice :)

perkam

11-07-2005, 02:13 PM

It all depends on how well Nvidia's Mem controller can handle it...ATI's seems to be doing pretty well interms of future compability and customizability.

Perakm

dnavarro

11-07-2005, 02:29 PM

MWAVE is listing the XFX...not in stock at 799!
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3000415

Also says ETA end of november....hmm

Tim

11-07-2005, 02:31 PM

MWAVE is listing the XFX...not in stock at 799!
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3000415

Also says ETA end of november....hmm

:D :D :D

Like I said...I don't trust them one bit....they are horrible...

Anyway...I'll believe it on Monday...whatever will happen, I'm getting one...I'm not gonna wait again :p:

But I have a feeling they won't let me down...

799 vs 599....yea my ass :lol2:

perkam

11-07-2005, 02:34 PM

MWAVE is listing the XFX...not in stock at 799!
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3000415

Also says ETA end of november....hmm

[ati mode]........Karma !!!! :p:......[/ati mode] :D

I wanna see some reviews of this thing though :(

Perkam

Tim

11-07-2005, 02:38 PM

[ati mode]........Karma !!!! :p:......[/ati mode] :D

I wanna see some reviews of this thing though :(

Perkam

7 days...seem like 7 weeks.... :( :D

dnavarro

11-07-2005, 02:38 PM

your telling me :mad:
I can't open my wallet fast enough lol

perkam

11-07-2005, 02:40 PM

7 days...seem like 7 weeks.... Exactly !! :mad: So stop posting this fast !!! :p:

Perkam

revenant

11-07-2005, 02:44 PM

yes - I think we all need an Nvalium. ;)

DilTech

11-07-2005, 02:48 PM

yes - I think we all need an Nvalium. ;)

I prefer NVicodine.

Either way, we'll see what happens monday. For now, pricing is likely the famous "pre-order gouging" that we've come to know and hate by this point... It's a common thing for pre-orders to end up costing more than when the product is actually released.

$799 though? That's just pushing it. Shame on MWave :slapass: .

Tim

11-07-2005, 02:52 PM

So what we know vs the eVGA model at Zipzoomfly...all vs TheInq

We know that new Nvidia card is a very much tweaked original G70, Geforce 7800 GTX PCB design and this time the card will work at a magnificent 550MHz core and at 1800MHz memory.

Nvidia managed to clock its new cards to 550MHz and can still cool them with air. We believe that Nvidia tweaked its existing PCB design big time so managing to get those cards to such high speeds.

The same chaps managed to grab a BIOS from an XFX Geforce 7800 GTX 512MB and the chaps learned that XFX card obviously clocked even higher than the specs, it's working at 580MHz core and 1730MHz memory in 3D, the throttle frequency is 500MHz core and 1730MHz memory while in 2D card, you switch to a 275MHz core and 1730MHz memory.

470 vs 580 is a difference that is just too big...that's why I'm guessing the 470 isn't right....or just a very slow card compared to the OC'd ones.

One board even had the GPU clocked to sky-high 800 MHz, which sent shivers down my spine. 110 nano process doing 800 MHz clock? Vulcans would say "highly illogical", but we didn't care at the time and decided to trust our very eyes instead of sources who claimed differently.

Default clocks are set at 550/1800MHz, and every manufacturer can choose a variation.

Sow...what can we expect? 470Mhz? Not very likely is it? (would be dissapointing) 570 looks more like it.....typo? 7 days to go.

DilTech

11-07-2005, 02:55 PM

Well...

After searching EVGA there's no sign of the 7800gtx 512mb there, and ZZF has taken the 512mb 7800gtx off their site.

Looks like it WAS a mistake after all. Likely done to generate more traffic to their website.

Again I say it, it's been removed, no cause for alarm, it's not real.

dnavarro

11-07-2005, 02:56 PM

Hey guys want to here something mysterious??? I posted the same info I heard in the EVGA thread at their forums and within minutes my post magically dissappeared. Nothing, no link to zipzoom/mwave or anything. Like it never existed. Haven't tried posting again though...... BTW the post did show up at the moment I posted so I am not on NVrack lol...

*prays to the NDA gods that ate my posts...*

D

[XC] leviathan18

11-07-2005, 03:07 PM

i think it wont be 470 more likely 520~550 that is almost 100mhz more in core speed that is a lot :slobber: i want bench

Tim

11-07-2005, 03:17 PM

I'm gonna take a little break and see what will happen...I still have to work this week (and my boss is gonna kill me if I hang around the forums all day :D)

I'll see what will happen... :)

CrashOv3r1De

11-07-2005, 04:20 PM

Mwave is always overpriced IMHO

vapb400

11-07-2005, 04:34 PM

7 Days Is So Long!!!!!!!

HeavyH20

11-07-2005, 10:29 PM

Hmm, what's this?? A brochure that some vendor (starts with ZZ) accidentally published. Hope the spec is a typo. 570 would be nice.

470 core would be a little disappointing in light of all the hype. The collateral is dated 10-21-2005.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4766/evga6ql.jpg

jetjaguar

11-07-2005, 10:35 PM

Hmm, what's this?? A brochure that some vendor (starts ith ZZ) accidentally published. Hope the spec is a typo. 570 would be nice.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4766/evga6ql.jpg

470 core :stick: :slapass:

Vapor

11-07-2005, 10:39 PM

470/1700 stock clocks?

Me thinks the XFX at 550/1730 might be indicative of how well these cores OC ;)

LOE

11-07-2005, 10:45 PM

could this be a trick to cheat ATI :)

HeavyH20

11-07-2005, 11:01 PM

I gaurantee the eVGA has a delta. I looked through the leaked XFX BIOS at 580/1730 and it had no delta defined. That translates to a 540 root core in current GTX flavor. With the extra voltage, 1.45 VCore, maybe that's what it can deliver on the factory OC'd cards. So, 470 could actually be the new reference clock value. A decent 40 Mhz bump on the core over the previous 430. After all, it is still the 110 nm core. It all sounds about right with a tad more voltage.

Compare that with the Leadtek 7800 GTX Extreme I had that could do 550 with a delta (590 net) and no volt mods using the same Quadro heatsink and it all looks very possible. Too bad the Leadtek's memory was not as good as it could be (1350 tops). Still, if you can get a 540 MHz factory OC'd card (580 net, which is coincidentally the number thrown out by TheInq) and 1800 Mhz memory with a small OC, I would be more than content.

Ubermann

11-08-2005, 03:08 AM

Tim

11-08-2005, 03:45 AM

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2280/untitled2ft.th.png

Rumours at EVGA forums says the modell with watercooling is supposed to run 550GPU and 900MHZ ram at a price of $560.
But this is just rumours, and hearing that the moderator was wrong about 512bit interface i dont know what to belive there =)

lol or 90nm for that matter :p:

I dunno what to believe too....I guess the OC'd versions run in the mid 500 range....stock cards? lol....Noooooo idea.

ahmad

11-08-2005, 06:34 AM

Tim

11-08-2005, 06:39 AM

Nice. A paperlaunch that is vaporware. I smell BS marketing strategies. I doubt that pic in the first post is even a 7800GTX with 512MB. Like many have already mentioned, it looks identical to the leadtek one.

Looks like those waiting are going to be in for a real expensive treat :slapass:

lol.....paperlaunch? Vaporware? I think you just replied to the wrong thread, the other thread is this one :

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79331

Maybe you made a mistake calling nVidia paperlaunchers? I dunno.

I doubt that pic in the first post is even a 7800GTX with 512MB. Like many have already mentioned, it looks identical to the leadtek one.

Wouldn't be much of a Leadtek if it has an XFX sticker on it doesn't it? :slap:

And I'm sure they also changed the bios name to XFX with 580/1730 freqs :slap:

Starscream

11-08-2005, 06:46 AM

@Ahmad
paperlaunch? the 7800GTX512 hasnt even been launched yet so why a paperlaunch?

DilTech

11-08-2005, 10:40 AM

Ignore ahmad guys, he's been flamebaiting everything positive for NVidia for awhile now...

Ahmad, I don't know what your major malfunction is, but do you even know what a paper launch is?

HeavyH20

11-08-2005, 01:58 PM

If there was a paper launch, and it was all marketing BS, there would be no need for an NDA, now, would there? And, the cards are already moving through the channel. Some e-tailers have even been brave enough to accept pre-orders.

freecableguy

11-08-2005, 02:00 PM

Some e-tailers have even been brave enough to accept pre-orders.

back this up

Grayskull

11-08-2005, 04:09 PM

Guys, your views are overly simplistic. A more accurate way to figure out the power of an ASIC (and even this is overly simplistic) is to use P=1/2CFV^2. C=capacitance, F=frequency and V=voltage. As you increase the voltage you can see that power goes up radically. If you increase voltage you will always increase current as well. As for smaller process nodes, there are many node specific dynamics that will factor into the overall power consumption. It's not as simple as just plugging one or two numbers into an equation.

But using the simplistic equation above, you can figure out roughly how much the dynamic power will increase by increasing the applied core voltage and increasing the frequency. Then there's leakage on top of that. ;)

Nonono....amperage * voltage = wattage. Therefore lower volts != lower amps. A downward shift in one will cause the other to go up, however, at the same wattage. Since less voltage is needed with smaller processes, amps can go up with the same power envelope which means you can power more transistors. Or, with the exact same # of transistors, you can have reduced power.

freecableguy

11-08-2005, 04:17 PM

grayskull...you fail to mention the difference between power usage and power consumption.....

Cybercat

11-08-2005, 06:17 PM

This isn't sounding good. It looks as though someone got their info wrong (Inq), and we've been hyped for nothing.

DilTech

11-08-2005, 06:33 PM

Arkangyl

11-08-2005, 06:37 PM

Cybercat, your making it sound as if the 7800 GTX 512mb is going to suck :p the RAM alone makes it worthwhile.

512mb is starting to be important with all the texture files coming into games. Most important are the memory clocks; consider that the 1.4ns of the X1800 went from 1500mhz to 1800mhz on OC, the 1.1ns in these cards might be able to go from 1700mhz to 1900mhz, maybe even 2000mhz on air.

And the cores are always clocked low for consistant stability. 470mhz isn't that great but if the vast majority break 550mhz I think the card will be just fine.

SnipingWaste

11-08-2005, 07:28 PM

Eh, if they're wrong, atleast it still has 1.1ns ram.

However, that still doesn't explain the XFX stock bios with 580/1730 clocks. Considering NVidia made him take it down, there's definitely something to that one....

Also, remember, it's very possible that the 470 on that ad was a typo, 4 and 5 are nothing more than a click away, and I've seen worse typos on websites, as I'm sure we all have...

If it's not atleast 500mhz core though, I'm just going to continue waiting, after all there's still another fish in the sea.

That BIOS could have been edited with the higher clocks. Look at BIOS from ATI cards. There is a program that can edit the BIOS to set any core and mem speed you want.

I think the 470mhz is right and AIBs will have higher clocked card like 500mhz and 520mhz like the BFG OC along with the 470mhz cards.

jetjaguar

11-08-2005, 07:41 PM

im thinking ill just stay with 256mb gtx sli and upgrade once the 90nm comes out

DilTech

11-08-2005, 08:41 PM

That BIOS could have been edited with the higher clocks. Look at BIOS from ATI cards. There is a program that can edit the BIOS to set any core and mem speed you want.

I think the 470mhz is right and AIBs will have higher clocked card like 500mhz and 520mhz like the BFG OC along with the 470mhz cards.

I know it can be edited, but why would they make him remove a bios that's been edited? If they were edited to be that high, it wouldn't be showing off anything that wasn't suppose to be seen, right?

Now, I'm not saying 470 is wrong, but there's a very big possibility that it was infact a typo. As I've said before, the 4 and 5 aren't that far apart, and if you look around EVGA's website there's alot worse typos than that.

Actually, if you look around EVGA's site, that little faq they had on zip zoom fly(where he got that picture) isn't even there. Makes it a bit more fishy than it was already. Of course, seeing as the card isn't out, I'll fully understand if it's just not up due to that.

Even Mavke seems hard-set that stock clock is 550/1700, and he's seen the bios files already.

Like I said before though, if it's not over 500mhz stock, I'm not buying one...

HeavyH20

11-08-2005, 08:43 PM

back this up

Here is one.

http://www.scorptec.com.au/index.php?prdid=17460

HeavyH20

11-08-2005, 09:40 PM

The picture I posted is a screen capture of a PDF file that I downloaded directly from eVGA. It was linked on the site. The URL no longer works. They removed the "leak", which is to be expected. You will not find it anywhere on the eVGA site after they discovered their folly. The picture was a simple way to post the info here. So, no web typos to consider.

Now, please keep in mind, that spec information is for the vanilla 512 MB GTX. 430 is the previous stock core. Now it is 470. Why would we expect more using the same 110 nm core? It only has an extra .05 V in the core available. Besides that, how many cards are released at spec? There are plenty of 490 Mhz 256 Mhz GTX cards are out there with the pint size cooler. I would only expect the same OC bump plus a little extra with the better cooler. So, 530 root (570 real) is about right. Add another 10 MHz for the better cooler, and we are at 540 (580). These are the core numbers that the articles refer. Expect to see 500 to 540 on the core of the factory OC versions from eVGA, XFX and BFG. I would also expect to see 1800 on the memory from a few vendors.

As for the XFX BIOS, it is legit. It is not simply an edited p347 BIOS. It is a completely new build (05.70.02.25.xx) versus the currently released BIOS versions (05.70.02.11.xx). The board ID has also changed, there are new memory timings for 1.1 ns GDDR3, and the core voltage tables support 1.45V. In addition, it does not work on any current 7800 GTX cards. It is not compatible. As for the 580 core clock, there was no delta. That is the same as a 540 core clock with a delta.

Cybercat

11-08-2005, 09:57 PM

Why would we expect more? Well they really had me going with that voltage droop problem supposedly being fixed...

weeds

11-08-2005, 11:02 PM

Did you guys see this from the Guru3d review of the 6800GS?

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/1981/xcvccopy7ic.th.jpg (http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xcvccopy7ic.jpg)

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/278/

IAmSpoli

11-08-2005, 11:11 PM

sweet ass card

DilTech

11-08-2005, 11:38 PM

Yet another reason why I think EVGA made a typo in their PDF. Every other source, right down to the XFX bios has stated clocks in the 500 count.... Compared to ONE source saying 470, a source that has been taken down completely, and one that was never on EVGA's website, ONLY zipzoomfly.com.

I still have hope for 500mhz+, but if I don't see it...well...I'm waiting for Q1.

softpain

11-08-2005, 11:45 PM

"Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB quantities held deliberately low

Much less than people expected"

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27552

"Our story was confirmed by several sources and we learned that Taiwanese companies could sell many more of these cards but can get just a handfull of chips. It’s a limited product and it's meant to be limited."

Ubermann

11-08-2005, 11:47 PM

Wohhaa (posted some secs after you=)
If ATi release a new card then we problaly go beyond $700 soon.

DilTech

11-08-2005, 11:50 PM

Hmm...so basically, NVidia is going to do the same thing ATi is doing with this card.

Release them into retail channels, but slowly so they can keep the price up... Like how ATi sends 20 at a time per store, and keeps the price at $599, NVidia apparently has the same plan...

It's not the card in low supply, NVidia is going to make it so it is in low supply.... Both companies are getting EVIL this round, and BOTH companies could use a good slapping, and I mean an all day slapping.

Of course, this fits right along with what I've been told about the bigger fish, as this card won't have a very long life, so keeping it limited makes sense.....

Ubermann

11-08-2005, 11:56 PM

You really think ATi is sitting on all XT cards ?
As i see it Nvidia can charge whatever price they want cuz they have the fastest card.
Dont compare this to ATi as the profit made from all sold cards this far is almost nothing for that big company i think.

DilTech

11-08-2005, 11:59 PM

Honestly, yes.

Look at it this way, the only XT's to show up in retail channels is the 512mb ones. The 256 ones(the cheaper ones) nowhere to be found, but you CAN find the xl's everywhere.

The 512mb XT's are slowly trickling 20 at a time, gee, does this take rocket science to figure out... If it was a ram shortage, you'd see the 256mb xt's everywhere, as they'd want to sell those to effectively make double the money for the same amount of ram, so that's surely not the problem, and if it was a core shortage, there wouldn't be XL's anywhere seeing as how the "myth" of the XL's using different cores was apparently busted by people hitting past XT speeds on their XL's using the same or less voltage to do so. MSRP gets jacked up to $599, and they're being slowly sent out... Gee, I wonder what's going on. :confused:

Think about it ubermann.....It's actually smart business tactics, they both want to make as much money off these cards as they possibly can, and they're very well going to do it.

As for comparing the two, NVidia are going to keep the flow of cards slow so to keep street price up, just like ATi are doing now(only difference is, ATi is FORCING that street price up). It's the same thing basically...

Keep demand high and supply low = high prices. Thing is, in both cases it's either pay the high price or get an inferior card.... I just wanna slap both companies around at this point.

Ubermann

11-09-2005, 12:13 AM

DilTech

11-09-2005, 12:32 AM

People really turning their back to ATi cuz of this.
You can see even the die hard ATI fanboys on forums getting pissed and going Nvidia instead.
People are not happy lately with late cards and no stock.
Thats not a tactic, thats a problem (in my eyes)

I think the first 256 ones that will show up will be the master cards.

I agree with you on it being a problem, but look at it this way...

ATi *have* to make a set amount of money on these cards. By forcing the $599 price(except on oem, which means no warranty!) they can charge higher prices to the shops, so they can make the money they have to make. Knowing NVidia have their 512mb GTX coming, doing this means they all get sold(die hard fanboys don't care who's better, they just want their brand), at the price ATi needs to make.

Basically, while WE don't like it, THEY see it as a business tactic. NVidia apparently like the idea and will be doing the same thing.

Tim

11-09-2005, 01:04 AM

Point is....nVidia can get them in mass to stores...but don't do it....ATI on the other hand IMO can't get them to stores, wether it's chip shortages (core or RAM)

So either way it's very dirty these games...but if nVidia hardlaunches the card....that Inq article will probably be long forgotten....it's expensive...but just like not many people can afford a sportscar or something similar....

DilTech

11-09-2005, 01:06 AM

Well Tim, there is one thing in that story that makes it a bit doubtable...

The reporter....Fuad.

Ubermann

11-09-2005, 01:28 AM

You seem to forget things you wrote in the past about price on this thing.
Tim didnt you say that Nvidia would be stupid if they didnt match price or go lower then ATI before ?
But now when they mention "limited" and a price set at $650 thats already forgotten ?
And then we blame ATi for limited and price ?
I mean you cant blame ATi for any "bad" news with Nvidia.

Dont get me wrong, i really dont like whats happening with ATi lately and Nvidia is doing everything right for the moment.
People will pay those $650 so its not a problem and "limited" might make them pay it now and not wait for price to drop.

DilTech

11-09-2005, 01:33 AM

Personally, I haven't forgotten.... I think they're rather stupid for doing so, I understand that 512mb of 1.1ns ram can't be cheap or easy to come by, but it's not a good decision in the slightest.

I'm not blaming it on ATi either, I'm merely saying it seems like they're both using the same battle plan here.

The only ones to blame are the people who will pay it, because NVidia knows people WILL pay it just for the E-Peen implant alone.

LOE

11-09-2005, 01:54 AM

price will fall shortly after the launch, it won't stay that high forever

i personally think 500$ should be top for a standart highest end card...

Ubermann

11-09-2005, 01:59 AM

i personally think 500$ should be top for a standart highest end card...

Agree but how to make them set that price ?
I wonder what price their next high end cards will have, i guess they come as 512megs only.
Maybe Samsung is to blame for all this, or rather the lack of competition in that area for the moment.

Tim

11-09-2005, 02:05 AM

Tim didnt you say that Nvidia would be stupid if they didnt match price or go lower then ATI before ?
But now when they mention "limited" and a price set at $650 thats already forgotten ?

No no not at all sorry for giving that impression :p: , I don't like nVidia for doing this...actually it's a bloody stupid move....but, prices can drop rapidly if it will be an hardlaunch...maybe not nVidia's MSRP or whatever it's called..but the shops will drop them in price (hopefully)

ATI and nVidia are both playing dirty here...don't get me wrong, fact still stands that there is price gouging going on for the XT because there is very limited availability (sp)

I'm not saying that it's right...not at all.... ;)

G H Z

11-09-2005, 02:25 AM

LOL, ATI has no agenda to limit supply strictly to maintain a retail or higher price. They stand to make one hell of alot more money selling in volume. The above retail prices we are seeing are set by the retailer and have nothing to do with ATI. Trust me I know having been a retail vendor for several companies.

In fact I would venture to say that ATI has spoken to some of the retailers and instructed them to not sell their product at the ridiculously high prices we saw with X850 PE's. Remember Allstarshop this January? If not I'll refresh your memory. When X850 PE released they had that card for $989 and no that's not a typo. Assshops price was insane for about 3 weeks before it fell below $700, but they we're also the only retailer to have them in stock. We are not seeing that BS with the XT. Yes it's over retail but that's normal for a high demand/low supply product.

They simply cannot make enough of these cards for some reason, that is all.

freecableguy

11-09-2005, 03:33 AM

Here is one.

http://www.scorptec.com.au/index.php?prdid=17460

That's been out for a month or more. That nothing more than a 7800GTX 256MB card with 512MB installed. It's not next generation, same original PCB, GDDR3 type, etc.

Tim

11-09-2005, 04:12 AM

That's been out for a month or more. That nothing more than a 7800GTX 256MB card with 512MB installed. It's not next generation, same original PCB, GDDR3 type, etc.

There is no previous 512mb GTX......it's the new one. Shows same pic as the Leadtek Extreme......

freecableguy

11-09-2005, 04:16 AM

ok, Tim, ignore me, you know more than me....believe what you want

Vapor

11-09-2005, 04:16 AM

Tim, yes there was...original PCB and memory clocked at 1250MHz. THAT is the original one, not the new one UNDER NDA.

Also, FCG would know....he went on a mega-hunt for these coolers ;)

Ubermann

11-09-2005, 04:22 AM

I dont think it ever was listed at Leaktek site, nor do i think it was ever sold one.

Tim

11-09-2005, 04:28 AM

I dont think it ever was listed at Leaktek site, nor do i think it was ever sold one.

Hm....strange...anyway, doesn't matter...never saw one in retail channels....the official 512mb should be better :p:

Ubermann

11-09-2005, 06:14 AM

What i mean is that i dont think it ever existed =)

Tim

11-09-2005, 06:31 AM

What i mean is that i dont think it ever existed =)

That is what I thought as well..... :confused:

Been looking, but can't find anything about it...

DilTech

11-09-2005, 08:43 AM

There originally was suppose to be, that's why the original pcb has room for 8 more memory sticks. It was to give board partners the option to add more ram, but no one ever went for it.

Either way, this *should* undoubtedly be a LOT better than the "old" 512mb card. Tim to give you an idea, google a search for 7800gt SLi results, in some cases the 7800GTX beat out 7800GT SLi(and NOT low res, we're talkin high rez + AA/AF) because the 7800GT lacked the memory bandwidth compared to the GTX. That measley 200mhz difference put the sli ahead of 40 pipes of G70 power, or should I say that 1000mhz isn't fast enough to handle 40 pipes of g70 power, and brings it down below the 7800GTX....

In alot of cases the G70 is heavily ram bottlenecked, and that just proves it.

onewingedangel

11-09-2005, 09:00 AM

well, the pcb was also used for the quadro 4400/4500 so the 512mb ram capacity was used in those markets, but the 'ultra' 512mb gtx looks to be an altogether better beast yet again - although I dont understand why Nvidia would use 1.1ns ram when they would still get the performance lead with 1.4ns ram - and would undoubtedly save a little money.

DilTech

11-09-2005, 09:09 AM

Simple one, go for the kill.

They know ATi can't release the R600 til next winter no matter what, that means after the R580 ATi has nothing to show til next winter... This is going to make ATi show their full hand on the R580 in 1Q(as in, not much headroom for it), meanwhile NVidia still have another big card to show. R580 may be in a bit of a bind, I'll tell you that much. NVidia are going to make sure ATi gets minimal sales over the next year, they're literally going for the kill.

Granted, ATi could just overclock the x1800xt about 100 mhz and 100mhz on the ram and try and compete with that, but that'd hurt their standard XT sales and they NEED all the sales they can get. People don't want to see another XTPE.

Basically, this is like a game of spades. NVidia first dropped the King, here comes the Ace, and next is the Joker.

Shadowmage

11-09-2005, 09:22 AM

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27552

Reportedly, 7800GTX 512MB quantities will be VERY LOW, as the card will be "limited edition"

Therefore, expect very high prices, probably in the $700+ range due to shortage.

There is no "going in for the kill" here, there won't be enough GPUs to make the rounds to do that.

Our story was confirmed by several sources and we learned that Taiwanese companies could sell many more of these cards but can get just a handfull of chips. It’s a limited product and it's meant to be limited.

DilTech

11-09-2005, 09:24 AM

Shadow, that was posted on page 15...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1127058#post1127058

Tim

11-09-2005, 09:35 AM

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27552

Reportedly, 7800GTX 512MB quantities will be VERY LOW, as the card will be "limited edition"

Therefore, expect very high prices, probably in the $700+ range due to shortage.

There is no "going in for the kill" here, there won't be enough GPUs to make the rounds to do that.

lol since when do we trust the Inq on all this....safe bet is to just wait and see what will happen....ofcourse it's going in for the kill....if you already are going to spend 600bucks better spend 50 more to get the best of the best....it's not like if you can buy an X1800XT that you can't buy an 7800512.... :)

We all know prices suck etc from both sides...let's just see what will happen. :)

Shadowmage

11-09-2005, 09:37 AM

My guess is that NVIDIA simply doesn't have enough GPUs capable of running at such high frequencies. In order to not tarnish its "steller launch reputation", NVIDIA is spinning it to sound like a "good thing"

DilTech

11-09-2005, 09:39 AM

Exactly tim..

We've heard sources "Rollo" say they'll be in quanity, Gibbo also said the same...
We've heard everyone say different things on this card.

We'll see soon enough who's right.

del_fuego

11-09-2005, 09:59 AM

Gibbo always says these things "we'll have more cards than anyone else, ocuk will get them first, its coming out on the 7th, blah, blah...". I doubt i could throw Gibbo very far and i trust him just as much. (grabbing large fistful of salt from Perkams bag....)

I worry about the $ to £ conversion rate that always manages to sting us over here, you guys will get it for $649 and we'll probably get it for £500+, seeing as XT's are about £450 in some places here (cough*Gibbo*cough). Too much money.

del.

Tim

11-09-2005, 10:00 AM

Exactly tim..

We've heard sources "Rollo" say they'll be in quanity, Gibbo also said the same...
We've heard everyone say different things on this card.

We'll see soon enough who's right.

True.....I hope it's gonna be good...otherwise I'm gonna bash my head against the monitor till it bleeds :p:

j/k...

CrashOv3r1De

11-09-2005, 10:15 AM

Analyzing NVIDIAs previous launches it is okay to say that they will try their hardest not to mess this up unlike ATI. I am by no means a fanboy last year I only bought ATI cards because they crushed all the competition but now times have changed.

revenant

11-09-2005, 11:36 AM

also - limited quantities will prolly equate to "enough for the peeps who will actually pull the trigger on buying them".. which is a pretty small part of the market I am going to guess.

DilTech

11-09-2005, 11:39 AM

Limited could just mean a smaller supply than the 7800gtx 256, which would make sense... Not many people buy the top-tier cards. As long as they can put more than 20 card every week in 3 stores it *should* theoritically be fine.

dnavarro

11-09-2005, 02:15 PM

jetjaguar

11-09-2005, 02:19 PM

yup i called as well .. 550/1800 instock and ready to ship .. lol for over 800 total

Cybercat

11-09-2005, 02:23 PM

I think MWave is just goudging. Just wait til they're no longer the only ones selling them.

revenant

11-09-2005, 02:30 PM

holy cattle.. so they're not just bsing us.. well, they sort of are... that price is bs. lol

Tim

11-09-2005, 02:35 PM

I think MWave is just goudging. Just wait til they're no longer the only ones selling them.

ofcourse...just wait..prices will be much lower on Monday :)

freecableguy

11-09-2005, 02:39 PM

I think MWave is just goudging. Just wait til they're no longer the only ones selling them.

QFT

AACDIRECT

11-09-2005, 02:44 PM

So I guess MWAVE is selling the cards early... check out this thread someone called MWAVE and verified the clocks speeds are 550/1800! Too bad about the price though :(
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59593
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3000415

edit* I just called them. 30 in stock!
D

MWAVE is wrong on the clock speeds. I am certain. ;) The retail box does not have the clock speeds marked on it. But coolbits will show them. One number is higher and one is lower....

BTW You buy these I hope you have a big PSU....in my test rig 256MB 7800 GTX SLI ran fine. With these...very unstable. My guess is a 550 Watt would be marginal. 600+ should be a must with multiple HD and lots of RAM.

The XFX card should MSRP atleast 100 buck less.

dnavarro

11-09-2005, 02:49 PM

I am guessing 580/1730??? :D As the bios heh

Piotrsama

11-09-2005, 02:52 PM

someone called MWAVE and verified the clocks speeds are 550/1800!
Wow, it seems rumors were true, after all.
This will be a very powerfull card :clap:

Tim

11-09-2005, 02:53 PM

MWAVE is wrong on the clock speeds. I am certain. ;) The retail box does not have the clock speeds marked on it. But coolbits will show them. One number is higher and one is lower....

BTW You buy these I hope you have a big PSU....in my test rig 256MB 7800 GTX SLI ran fine. With these...very unstable. My guess is a 550 Watt would be marginal. 600+ should be a must with multiple HD and lots of RAM.

The XFX card should MSRP atleast 100 buck less.

wtf? you have them?! :slobber: :slobber:

AACDIRECT

11-09-2005, 02:54 PM

I am guessing 580/1730??? :D As the bios heh

;)

Also they fit the DFI SLI-DR. Heat on the first card could be and issue...the spacing is very tight. Our systems are watercooled so it is not an issue.

freecableguy

11-09-2005, 02:59 PM

;)

Also they fit the DFI SLI-DR. Heat on the first card could be and issue...the spacing is very tight. Our systems are watercooled so it is not an issue.

Welcome to last MONTH. I had a thread on this showing that the Quadro FX 4500 coolers on 7800GT/GTX cards was completely possible and VERY good at cooling with the DFI NF4 SLI-D(R) MB...

AACDIRECT

11-09-2005, 03:02 PM

Welcome to last MONTH. I had a thread on this showing that the Quadro FX 4500 coolers on 7800GT/GTX cards was completely possible and VERY good at cooling with the DFI NF4 SLI-D(R) MB...

Sorry did not know it was covered already...I will shut up now.

revenant

11-09-2005, 03:03 PM

my guess is OCing on these will not be very good as they are already pushed to their veritable limit... watercooling will like add more stability for long gaming sessions and keep the cards from overheating each other... but it will be ineteresting to see what kind of numbers come in... especially for the 1.1ns memory...

DilTech

11-09-2005, 03:24 PM

To say they're already at their limit is a joke...

You figure it this way, 5 months of release of the 7800gtx, about 8 - 10 months of producing G70 chips.. They could have been speedbinning them all this time and the high-hitting chips being set aside.

There's a very good chance 600mhz will be capable on stock heatsink....

perkam

11-09-2005, 03:49 PM

OK, how bout a lesson in manners gentlemen:

A. wtf? you have them?! Yes he does, as many of the members here, AACDirect has access to these things beforehand, afaik he's a reviewer, a little respect wouldn't hurt.

B. Welcome to last MONTH. I had a thread on this showing that the Quadro FX 4500 coolers on 7800GT/GTX cards was completely possible and VERY good at cooling with the DFI NF4 SLI-D(R) MB...FCG, you know better than to be a wiseguy like that. You could've said "Here's a thread showing Quadro FX 4500 coolers on 7800..." again, this isnt a thughouse, and the "welcome to last month" wasnt' necessary as AACDirect wasn't posting something old that could've been considered news.

:shakes:

Perkam

DilTech

11-09-2005, 04:00 PM

Cybercat

11-09-2005, 04:16 PM

Personally, I think it's kind of ignorant to act this way towards people who go out of their way to bring us info on things early. Thanks for the Info AAC, no need to be quiet, some people are apparently just mad that they couldn't be first.
there's really nothing he's told us so far that we didn't already know, not that his intentions are wrong. He's limited in what he can say from the NDA.

It's only five more days folks before we know more than we need to about this card. Just hang tight. I'm confident much of the hype will be confirmed.

GoldenTiger

11-09-2005, 04:53 PM

Welcome to last MONTH. I had a thread on this showing that the Quadro FX 4500 coolers on 7800GT/GTX cards was completely possible and VERY good at cooling with the DFI NF4 SLI-D(R) MB...

Unbelievable that people would act like this toward someone who is being so nice towards them.

CrashOv3r1De

11-09-2005, 05:24 PM

I rather wait til the 14th and get it for 650 or even 700

perkam

11-09-2005, 05:36 PM

ATI's AIB partners will be ramping up clock speeds with cooler designs of their own by Dec/Jan...so this could get interesting.

Perkam

DilTech

11-09-2005, 06:12 PM

Where'd you read that perkam...link?

There's not many ATi companies who sell pre-overclocked cards besides HIS, and even they don't clock em up very far at all.

Also, if they wait until january, I'm sorry to say this, but it will be too little too late. It'll be in R580/Gx0 land...

purefun65

11-09-2005, 07:10 PM

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59593&page=5

Starscream

11-09-2005, 07:22 PM

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59593&page=5

them pics real?

i copyd them incase they r removed so if anyone needs em late on :)

that store must not b the brightest selling em before launch

http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_718_7800gtx5120lm.jpg (http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=718_7800gtx5120lm.jpg)http://img19.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_112_box17te.jpg (http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=112_box17te.jpg)http://img108.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_437_box20wy.jpg (http://img108.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=437_box20wy.jpg)http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_ede_bundle1ky.jpg (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=ede_bundle1ky.jpg)
http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_f1f_card16rh.jpg (http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=f1f_card16rh.jpg)

http://img103.imagevenue.com/loc298/th_77f_card23hv.jpg (http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc298&image=77f_card23hv.jpg)

DilTech

11-09-2005, 07:36 PM

They're real... MWave is in DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP ****!

Just thought I'd point out...Nowhere on that box does it say limited edition...

Cybercat

11-09-2005, 07:48 PM

They're real... MWave is in DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP ****!

Just thought I'd point out...Nowhere on that box does it say limited edition...
nor is it written here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?image=14-150-118-01.jpg,14-150-118-02.jpg,14-150-118-03.jpg,14-150-118-04.jpg,14-150-118-05.jpg&CurImage=14-150-118-05.jpg&Description=XFX%20PVT42GUAD7%20Geforce%206800GS%20 256MB%20GDDR3%20PCI%20Express%20x16%20Video%20Card %20-%20Retail) but it's still supposed to be part of the 'XXX' edition.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/11/08/geforce_6800_gs_well_under_msrp_already/

DilTech

11-09-2005, 07:57 PM

What I mean is, Faud claimed all 512mb GTX's were limited edition...

Limited editions card would say it on the box, right?

Do you see it anywhere on that box?

Dumo

11-09-2005, 08:12 PM

Sorry a little ot :) ..7800GTXs-256 start to pop up @ F/S section ;)

Cybercat

11-09-2005, 08:21 PM

What I mean is, Faud claimed all 512mb GTX's were limited edition...

Limited editions card would say it on the box, right?

Do you see it anywhere on that box?
Now you're exaggerating what he said. He said there would be limited quanitity. He didn't say they would officially be dubbed "Limited Edition" cards.

And like I was trying to say before, the XFX 6800GS is limited edition and it doesn't say it on the box, so some vendors don't print it.

AACDIRECT

11-09-2005, 08:21 PM

I love this forum. Thanks for understanding that I can't say more. Unlike Mwave I value my relationship with my suppliers.

I can't post pics but that card and box sure do look like something I have seen recently. ;)

God I wish I could post benchmarks.....my best SLI 3dmark05 bench with 256MB 7800s was 13800 (520/1350...gaming stable)....these cards beat that with no OC. Monday should be interesting for NV fans. You guys are going to love them. BTW wait till Monday to buy as that price is crazy....they are expensive but not supposed to be THAT $$.

BTW With the drivers from the CD the cards ran slower than the above score. There was a glich with the memory clocks. (It was setting them to 1200 for some reason) NV sent me a new driver that fixed it. My guess is that they will release it on Monday.

On the ATI side....I hope to have something to post about soon. I have to double check but I believe there is no NDA on it either.

EDIT: The 512MB cards are very limited production. That much I can say for sure. I was told hundreds available instead of thousands. They expect to have enough for demand but don't expect high demend due to cost.

DilTech

11-09-2005, 08:39 PM

AACDIRECT

11-09-2005, 08:53 PM

AAC, perhaps you may answer one small tiny question of mine then.. What's the powersupply requirements of the card?

Considering I'm on an Antec Truepower 430Watt, I know I'll have to buy a new one, and therefore I kind of need to know what I'll need to get by.

I'm sure NDA doesn't hold you from that info.

I seem to remember the box says 550 WATT. (It is at work and I am at home.) I was running a 480 Watt with two 256MB cards with no issues. Having trouble in the same system with the 512MB cards. I have a 620 Watt being overnighted to confirm that the issue is related to the PSU. (I am almost 100% sure the 480 just can't keep up.) So all I can say is buy big these suckers like the juice.

jetjaguar

11-09-2005, 09:18 PM

get a pcp&c 510 sli and ull be fine .. or even an ocz 520watt or wutever it is

G H Z

11-09-2005, 09:29 PM

On the ATI side....I hope to have something to post about soon. I have to double check but I believe there is no NDA on it either.

Interesting, news minus NDA. Faster XT card perhaps, or something about Master cards ;)

jetjaguar

11-09-2005, 09:40 PM

maybe an announcement of the x1800xt pe or whatever .. prolly about the master cards though

AACDIRECT

11-09-2005, 09:59 PM

maybe an announcement of the x1800xt pe or whatever .. prolly about the master cards though

Not about a new card.....Crossfire is just getting close. I hope to have a new toy any day. (Like I said I don't believe there is NDA on it anymore so I can post pics and benches but I will have to make sure first.) Now that NV has shown what they have I am very interested to see how X1800 CF compares. CF seems more to show better gains than SLI. At least X850 did. If that holds true then X1800 CF should be good.

BTW The guy on NVnews is having the same issue with his 512MB 7800 that I did. Except I doubt NV will send him a driver.....but you never know.

DilTech

11-09-2005, 10:01 PM

get a pcp&c 510 sli and ull be fine .. or even an ocz 520watt or wutever it is
PCP&C 510 is a bit too rich for my blood... I know the need for a good psu, but $200 for a psu is just a bit on the high side. I can afford it, I just feel that's *too much*.

If an OCZ 520 Watt powerstream will handle the job though, then I'll just order one of those. $181 for the 600 watt just doesn't seem worth it for a 80watt difference, compared to $104 I can get the 520watt for.

Either way, thanks for answering my question AAC, it's greatly appreciated.

AACDIRECT

11-09-2005, 10:03 PM

PCP&C 510 is a bit too rich for my blood... I know the need for a good psu, but $200 for a psu is just a bit on the high side.

If an OCZ 520 Watt powerstream will handle the job though, then I'll just order one of those. $181 for the 600 watt just doesn't seem worth it for a 80watt difference, compared to $104 I can get the 520watt for.

For SLI...520 might not cut it.....these things draw major power. For single card it should be OK.

DilTech

11-09-2005, 10:05 PM

I won't be running SLi... I'm not spending $1300 on videocards, I have bills to pay and a woman who'd cut my balls off and go play golf with them. I feel SLi is a waste anyway, If I pay double the money, I was double the performance, and not a percent less.

1 is my limit, since I have to buy a new mobo and the card and the psu.

zabomb4163

11-09-2005, 10:21 PM

.....my best SLI 3dmark05 bench with 256MB 7800s was 13800 (520/1350...gaming stable)....these cards beat that with no OC. Monday should be interesting for NV fans. You guys are going to love them.

you mean 7800gtx 512 meg in SLI right? single beating dual 256 meg would be.....

Jort

11-09-2005, 10:30 PM

offcourse he is reffering to SLI:)

else it would be an amazing speedbump

Sheik

11-10-2005, 02:15 AM

$799
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3000415

Um, I just lost interest in the 512MB 7800GTX :(

Tim

11-10-2005, 02:43 AM

$799
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3000415

Um, I just lost interest in the 512MB 7800GTX :(

Go a page back and see where we all say wait till monday....do you honestly think they are going to sell it for that price? :)

G H Z

11-10-2005, 02:57 AM

They are gonna try. I don't think your gonna see the price drop Monday your predicting, at least not yet.

Ubermann

11-10-2005, 03:29 AM

AACDirect thanks alot for sharing some info!
Now im waiting for those pics from the toy from ATi, RD580 or CF card or whatever it is.

Starscream

11-10-2005, 04:25 AM

what u guys think will nvidia do with mwave?

cupra

11-10-2005, 04:56 AM

wow that baby are great, after sampsa say that he is better than the x1800xt
i will change my mind, the 512 7800 will be my next card - and not the ati.

jetjaguar

11-10-2005, 05:05 AM

isnt the 90nm next nvidia card like coming in january ?
if so ... thinking of just getting another bfg 256 one and run sli until the next gen comes out

Ubermann

11-10-2005, 06:41 AM

Tim

11-10-2005, 06:44 AM

Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MT performance theory:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardwareoc.at%2FGefor ce_7800GTX_512MB-preview.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Yeah saw it too a while ago...nice guesswork, but I'd rather wait a couple more days and see real life result :p: :)

Ubermann

11-10-2005, 06:49 AM

I dont think the 550/1700 will take it over 10K in 3Dmark.

Tim

11-10-2005, 07:12 AM

I dont think the 550/1700 will take it over 10K in 3Dmark.

I'd say 9700 is more like it at stock with a normal CPU...FX-57 at 3Ghz +....i'd say it will pass 10k.... :)

HeavyH20

11-10-2005, 08:33 AM

It will definitely pass 10K with a decent CPU.

DilTech

11-10-2005, 10:37 AM

isnt the 90nm next nvidia card like coming in january ?
if so ... thinking of just getting another bfg 256 one and run sli until the next gen comes out

Q1 there will be something from NVidia...quote me on this later.

Piotrsama

11-10-2005, 11:30 AM

I dont think the 550/1700 will take it over 10K in 3Dmark.
In fact, it seems you only need 551/1656 to pass 10K :p:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1420136

Starscream

11-10-2005, 11:31 AM

@Diltech
so this 512GTX is only here to mess with ATI and trying to keep sales away from X1800XT and to cover a lil of the Christmas market?

and the real new high-end bit is Q1?

LOE

11-10-2005, 11:41 AM

my guess - the 512 mb gtx won't be that phantom... nvidia can do much better if they want the performance crown with almost no cards in retail

for now it might be a phantom edition but with time it will become available... sooner or later nvidia will shrink proccess and 550MHz might not even be a "ultra high end" :)

DilTech

11-10-2005, 11:47 AM

Something along those lines starscream.

This card is just to cover until Q1. I'm guessing that's why it's meant to be a limited edition card, as come Q1 no one will want them anyway, and with the cost of that ram, and the extensive testing it'd require to find cores that'll run that high, it's GOT to be an expensive card to make. It's basically just a tide over, and a dead stop to the X1800XT bencher sales, as why buy one XT when you can buy 2 512mb GTX's and take down the orb with ease?

The fact that they're limited cards will give them quite a resale value on ebay though.

AlterBridge86

11-10-2005, 11:49 AM

In fact, it seems you only need 551/1656 to pass 10K :p:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1420136

with a 3ghz Athlon 64 too :p:

jetjaguar

11-10-2005, 11:58 AM

so digitech .. its better to just get a second 256gtx for cheap used .. and wait till the next gen .. instead of selling the gtx and getting a 512 ?

cuz 2 in sli will beat the 512 .. cuz im in the boat now .. do i buy a 2nd 256 gtx used or sell the gtx i have now and buy a single 512 .. and thats it

DilTech

11-10-2005, 12:01 PM

freecableguy

11-10-2005, 12:07 PM

Q1 there will be something from NVidia...quote me on this later.

Sometime in 2006 there will be something from somebody about something to do with computers. Quote me on this later.

LOL

Your comment was the most benign statement I have ever seen. Yes, I bet you are right...there will be something from NVidia then....lol.

-FCG

Starscream

11-10-2005, 12:08 PM

ur last few posts said it all for me.
the last few months i had my own pothead ideas and seeing how the 512GTX is limited maybe they r true.

jetjaguar

11-10-2005, 12:10 PM

2 7800gtx 256's will outperform 1 512mb 7800gtx. So if quake 4 in ultra quality isn't your prime concern you should just pick up the second 7800gtx 256 and wait til q1 for a big gun.

Atleast that's what I'd do.

umm sli'd 256 gtxs will easily run q4 with ultra everything and 4xaa/16x anti

cuz my single runs 1920x1200 with everything on ultra with 4x/16x and i average like 40fps :stick:

DilTech

11-10-2005, 12:12 PM

It's the dips that's the problem, when entering new rooms as the swapping takes place of textures from ram/harddrive to videoram.

Of course, you have 2 gigs of ram, so the dip shouldn't be nearly as bad for you.

jetjaguar

11-10-2005, 12:20 PM

i guess .. so a second gtx should easily handle that .. plus most of the games at that res until the next gen comes out

DilTech

11-10-2005, 12:28 PM

Yeah, you're honestly better off with a second 256mb gtx, it'll be cheaper and better performance for you, especially at your max resolution...

Nice rig btw!

Cybercat

11-10-2005, 12:45 PM

I dont think the 550/1700 will take it over 10K in 3Dmark.
Well, it's 100MHz more on the memory supposedly, and I'm not so sure. While I'm not expecting 10.5k in 3DMark05 like that article suggested, I predict somewhere around 10.3k.

jetjaguar

11-10-2005, 12:57 PM

Yeah, you're honestly better off with a second 256mb gtx, it'll be cheaper and better performance for you, especially at your max resolution...

Nice rig btw!

as much as i love the new coolers on the 512gtx .. i guess ill get another 256gtx since there will be a bunch for sale .. change coolers on them .. and be happy until the next gen is out

thanks about my rig :)

jetjaguar

11-10-2005, 04:32 PM

well newegg just had some XFX in stock for 699 .. sold out already and now not on their website

Cybercat

11-10-2005, 04:37 PM

well newegg just had some XFX in stock for 699 .. sold out already and now not on their website
say what?! :eek:

freecableguy

11-10-2005, 04:42 PM

yeah, i see nothing suggesting that the Egg had them...maybe they were placing the sale item on the site and then disabled it right away getting ready for Monday...

that's what I bet happened...

sdat1333

11-10-2005, 05:35 PM

ouch 699 on newegg :(
I need this to drop to around $530 before the 29th of November

Oh well, $170 to stepup to the 512GTX is too much i gues ill just keep my 256 GTX if i have to, then sell it in spring/summer to buy a G80

jetjaguar

11-10-2005, 06:11 PM

damn i cant decide what to do .. sell my gtx and buy one of these or just buy another used bfg 7800gtx ..

i have a buyer for my current card .. im so damn confused

mdzcpa

11-10-2005, 06:13 PM

damn i cant decide what to do .. sell my gtx and buy one of these or just buy another used bfg 7800gtx ..

i have a buyer for my current card .. im so damn confused

If you can't get 2 GTX 512 cards, then I would get another GTX 256 and run them in SLI. That will beat a single 512 easy.

Remember, this GTX 512 is just a refresh. A mid cycle offering. Unless you can afford another upgrade in Feb 06, don't blow your load here.

My 2 cents:)

HeavyH20

11-10-2005, 06:19 PM

If you can't get 2 GTX 512 cards, then I would get another GTX 256 and run them in SLI. That will beat a single 512 easy.

Remember, this GTX 512 is just a refresh. A mid cycle offering. Unless you can afford another upgrade in Feb 06, don't blow your load here.

My 2 cents:)

Ditto. Wise words.

jetjaguar

11-10-2005, 06:19 PM

yeah i was like im skipping this and picking up another 256 gtx .. that should definitely hold me over until the next gen .. then i see the 512mb with that monster cooler and im like I WANT IT ..

mdzcpa

11-10-2005, 06:23 PM

yeah i was like im skipping this and picking up another 256 gtx .. that should definitely hold me over until the next gen .. then i see the 512mb with that monster cooler and im like I WANT IT ..

LOL...I know what you mean. I ALWAYS want the latest and greatest hardware. I practically obsess over it :D

But, unless you have super deep pockets, its just not the wise thing to due. New hardware obsoletes quickly. The smart folks time their purchases to ride the longest waves.

freecableguy

11-10-2005, 06:25 PM

WTF? Is this cost-effective-smart-shoppersystems.org?

Say what you want, but this board is for XTREME systems. You have to pay to play.

mdzcpa

11-10-2005, 06:32 PM

Say what you want, but this board is for XTREME systems. You have to pay to play.

No $hit.

However, this guy is asking for advice, and he just received it. Not everyone can afford the balls to wall mentality. It takes a little self discipline and maturity to do the right thing in the face of temptation. In the long run, those a a budget make out better.

Spending more than one can afford to isn't extreme. :rolleyes:

Think

11-10-2005, 06:41 PM

I won't support any nuckle head move to buy 2 video cards...thats just dumb and goes to show you how idiotic this is getting and the blame falls squarly on Nvidia...dumb asses.

freecableguy

11-10-2005, 06:58 PM

I won't support any nuckle head move to buy 2 video cards...thats just dumb and goes to show you how idiotic this is getting and the blame falls squarly on Nvidia...dumb asses.

The CEO of nVidia drives his Ferrari to work. What do you drive? Who's the dumbass now? Hmmm...

Think

11-10-2005, 07:01 PM

The CEO of nVidia drives his Ferrari to work. What do you drive? Who's the dumbass now? Hmmm...

Anyone who support the dumb ass for buying two nvidia cards...do you own a ferrari?

sdat1333

11-10-2005, 07:02 PM

right so whats the estimated MSRP of this beast?
cause i just realized, no matter how cheap i can get this thru e-tailers, if the MSRP stays the same, thats what matters on evga stepup.

freecableguy

11-10-2005, 07:03 PM

Anyone who support the dumb ass for buying two nvidia cards...do you own a ferrari?

What if I do?

Dumo

11-10-2005, 07:25 PM

This is the cost for those peeps who called themselves xtreme....oops X2 for sli ;) ...

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/5562/screenshot0063dv.jpg

and get this..
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9916/screenshot0045ae.jpg
And then what?

Or you can get 2X 7800GTX-256 + a couple of gpu water blocks....

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8558/screenshot0074ll.jpg

+ these things...then you're probly 2x xtreme :D

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1927/mvc199f7wg.jpg

onethreehill

11-10-2005, 10:41 PM

Ok fellas....i think im done here. Here is the deal......this card will hit 10k stock with a decent cpu. I think it was nvidias goal to have this cards hit 10k at stock lol. I brought my card back to stock specs (580, 1.7) and here is what i scored......

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1502/stockkkkk8oj.jpg

With a 4000+ amd 64....this score would have been passed 10k from a stock 7800gtx 512. This is just an XFX card....cant wait to see the others. EVGA already mentioned a special version of the 512. Sick i tell ya lol.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59593&page=32

Here is my x2 4400 at 2.5 .....

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a92/rcabor/10186in05.jpg

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59593&page=31

Cybercat

11-10-2005, 11:15 PM

Didn't even hit 10k? Oh well, that's just the CPU bottleneck I guess. Too bad 3DMark05 sucks in that regard.

Thanks for the post btw!

Im the biggest noob there is lol. Went to overclock my cpu to 240 fsb when i realized that i was running my multiplier at 9X. Dropped my fsb back down to 235 and moved the multiplier to 10x and BINGO. Dam im a noob. I cant imagine what this baby will hit with a fast CPU. Anyway....600 core mem 1800. Nvidia Wins!

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7894/10k5lv.jpg

His card is EXTREMELY CPU bottlenecked. Before he was apparently running 235x9 (2.1GHz) and then he went back to 10 multi and ran at 2.4GHz and got well over 10k. Yes the card is a bit overclocked, but that's the best he's posted so far. I can imagine an FX-57 could get 10.3k easy, stock clockspeeds.

DCR

11-11-2005, 01:12 AM

What if I do?

No one would care.

Would it be possible to keep this thread on topic so I don't have to waste my time reading about things other than this card?

Cybercat

11-11-2005, 04:16 AM

"XFX 7800 GTX 512 MB scores leaked"

http://theinquirer.net/?article=27624

__________________
and at the bottom, they linked to us. How thoughtful! :p:

Ubermann

11-11-2005, 04:21 AM

Did i do that ?! ;)

Cybercat

11-11-2005, 04:23 AM

I don't know, did you?

Tim

11-11-2005, 04:27 AM

Can't believe they link to XS and not too nVNews....pwah, I like that they link to XS, but credit goes to nVnews...

Vapor

11-11-2005, 04:38 AM

I think Fuad is one of the few people that would benefit from MS Word's grammar check.

And of course he needs a spell check.....

So who wants to tell him to link to nVnews?

Ubermann

11-11-2005, 04:42 AM

If he did read the thread he should have seen that i came from nvnews.

Vapor

11-11-2005, 04:44 AM

Did you expect him to read the thread....?

He's a reporter, the news is what he wants it to be with little to no fact checking.

Add to that he specializes in gossip and you get a doozy of in terms of accuracy.

Ubermann

11-11-2005, 04:55 AM

Lets see if it gets changed..

(Omg site is getting slow)

Tim

11-11-2005, 05:12 AM

Lets see if it gets changed..

(Omg site is getting slow)

Cool, and yea the site is uber slow sometimes....(XS forums that is)

Revv23

11-11-2005, 07:08 AM

Cool, and yea the site is uber slow sometimes....(XS forums that is)

not to be OT but XS is one of the fastest forums i post on, ive left several other forums because i cant stand the wait.

AACDIRECT

11-11-2005, 07:27 AM

not to be OT but XS is one of the fastest forums i post on, ive left several other forums because i cant stand the wait.

The other great thing about XS forums are the people. Overall almost all are cool. In some forums you post anything (Especially OT) and be prepared to be flamed.

SO DON'T POST OFF TOPIC YOU @#$@#% #%$#$ @#@... HAHA :banana: just kidding. (As I post off topic....AACDIRECT you stupid !@#@! stay on topic.)