Some Old Skool Twinmos Bh-5 Goodness...... [Archive]

s7e9h3n

10-27-2005, 10:15 AM

I'm so amazed at what these puppies are capable of that I had to start a thread here to show them off :p: This is a 2x512mb set with original Winbond 312WE BH5 IC's. This was done all on air with the FX55 from my sig:

First the sticks:
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8863/twinmospair9qp.jpg

Now here are some Spi Runs:
http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/6585/11x2741m0nc.jpg

http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/4304/11x270bh8m6ir.jpg

And check out the timings on the sticks for this 32m run :woot:

http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/3949/11x270bh32m6zs.jpg

I'll try for higher later, but they've basically done whatever I've asked of them to this point........ :banana:

Revv23

10-27-2005, 10:38 AM

wow very nice sir

Onepagebook

10-27-2005, 07:51 PM

looks like you learned mcuh as you can huh;)

Kasparz

10-27-2005, 10:03 PM

Oldskool ownz
But these TRRD/TRAS really helps to increase mem freq or stability?

s7e9h3n

10-27-2005, 10:43 PM

Oldskool ownz
But these TRRD/TRAS really helps to increase mem freq or stability?
Neither....it helps give better times ;)

bachus_anonym

10-27-2005, 10:50 PM

I'm just jealous :D That's a steal indeed, Steven :up:
Fast n' tight :lol: :toast:

s7e9h3n

10-27-2005, 11:02 PM

I'm just jealous :D That's a steal indeed, Steven :up:
Fast n' tight :lol: :toast:
Funny thing was that these sticks wouldn't take the 3.7Vdimm until I popped them in a couple days ago. Before then, they'd get flakey @ 3.66+V. I'm still trying to figure out what I have set different, but I'm pretty sure I've made no changes since when I first tried these sticks out.... :confused:

El Snorro

10-28-2005, 02:20 AM

Very nice clocks for 2x512mb 'old' bh-5!

5days

10-28-2005, 02:43 AM

I'm getting some old school Corsair BH5 soon. 2x256 though.

Do you mind if I ask what Chipset you used? (Motherboard?)

s7e9h3n

10-28-2005, 03:31 AM

I'm getting some old school Corsair BH5 soon. 2x256 though.

Do you mind if I ask what Chipset you used? (Motherboard?)
DFI SLI-D ;)

funkflix

10-28-2005, 04:44 AM

Great Twinmos! :toast:

They do ~ the same, as my Mushkins. :)

k|ngp|n

10-28-2005, 06:17 AM

Nice clocking man :toast:
Real nice memory too...

s7e9h3n

10-28-2005, 10:02 AM

How safe is it to use the 5v jumper on the DFI ? I read somewhere that it kills ram , is this true or was it a rumor?
The key is to use as high as a vdimm as possible ;) No joke - the less the difference between the Vram and the output of the 5V rail, the less votage the IC which regulates your Vram has to displace........And besides, those rumors only hold true for UTT. Old BH5 sticks are built like tanks :p: ..........

s7e9h3n

10-28-2005, 10:13 AM

Nice clocking man :toast:
Real nice memory too...
Thx man, this one's right up your alley ;) ;
I was messing around yesterday with the memory @ 270 and ran 3dMark01 to see how big of an improvement LL ram makes on scores. Now I don't run 3dMark much at all, but I thought that this score was pretty good considering the cpu's on air and the vc is only @ 594/614. No tweaks at all (besides what can be done with the stock drivers)...
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/4364/3d013ah.jpg

funkflix

10-28-2005, 10:17 AM

The best programm to check the difference between different ram-timings, is Pifast, it gives u a way better steady results than SuperPI! And it reacts spontaneous for every little performance increase. :)

Just a few tests, and u can see, that all reserved values have no influence for the results. But, as an example, Idle Cicle Limit from 16 to 0 gives u a good improvment.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8559/firsttimings6oi.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7889/tightertimings6pe.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2592/eventightertimings6wt.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3783/cas159tv.jpg

As u can see, all the reserved values, not supported by IMC of A64, gives u no improvment, it's just an optical gimmick, nothing more and nothing less! ;)

Edit: The fastest timings my DFI/IMC/BH5 can handle without an reboot, after Bios-screen. :)

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2383/fastesttimings1fa.jpg

s7e9h3n

10-28-2005, 10:25 AM

As u can see, all the reserved values, not supported by IMC of A64, gives u no improvment, it's just an optical gimmick, nothing more and nothing less! ;)
Hmmm....thx for the screens....I'll have to try running that later. Just curious though - what cooling are you using? Cuz ~25C cpu is definately not easy to do on air.
This RAM hasn't hit it's limit yet as I'm actually running into heat probs due to the vcore it requires to run @ 270+ x 11. Well, that won't be in issue once I throw this setup back under the autocascade this week :cool:

funkflix

10-28-2005, 10:27 AM

It's water and A64 without IHS. ;)

funkflix

10-28-2005, 11:46 AM

My PC3500C2 did 270+ on Neo2, with Vio = Vdimm Mod! Have u played with timings on A64Tweaker? Bios is really pure, try the 1.36b. :)

TheMeatFrog

10-28-2005, 12:04 PM

Very nice old school bh5 s7e9h3n! :rehab: Since my VX died and I can't RMA them because they're naked I'm currently in the market for some myself. :toast:

Onepagebook

10-28-2005, 05:31 PM

try this, looks easy huh, :D

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2503/250x13pi8mt0mk.jpg

funkflix

10-29-2005, 06:07 AM

Hmm, crazy timings! I can't boot with Trfc 11 nor with Trrd 0, maybe i should try other Tref. :)

funkflix

10-29-2005, 08:46 AM

No go with Trfc of 11, not even with 3,8V.. :cool: OPB, what kind of rams did u used for this run?

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/8666/8mwithmintimings4bq.jpg

Onepagebook

10-29-2005, 02:13 PM

That one not even crazy yet.

this 32m can be done @ 3.17(actually 3.13v under bios)v is a bit crazy:D

Took from Digi-cam during middle of running.:

http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/9277/32mdc19rh.jpg

finished.
http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/191/32mdc23gr.jpg

Windows screen:)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5671/252x13pi32m9qf.jpg

what's the ram?secret...big secret. :toast:

funkflix

10-29-2005, 02:20 PM

Yes, the Trfc of 11 is impressive, this sticks must be handpicked out of 100 sticks or more... or we will see new ICs.. UTT CH5 can't even handle Trfc of 12, so it must be BH5, tbh old BH5, so why it is so a big secret? ;) :D

don_vercetti

10-29-2005, 03:19 PM

next week when i get my CPU back, i reckon i could match that. my Geil BH-5 can do 265mhz with 3.2v (3.24v real), and tight timings (not stable in 32m or p95) but i'll certainly have a look at matching that. When can you reveal to us what is in those chips? Looks like a good thing.

funkflix

10-29-2005, 03:30 PM

this 32m can be done @ 3.17(actually 3.13v under bios)v is a bit crazy:D

No way... :p: Error after loop #21 with 3,30V 254.6MHz timings as in ur run, except Trfc of 11, i'm on 12. ;)

Great rams u have there! :toast: But i like my Lvl II too, great sticks tbh. :)

Edit: Can't see it on ur screens, 2x512MB or 2x256MB?

Onepagebook

10-29-2005, 04:53 PM

of course 2x512
long time no 2x256mb:D

Lastviking

10-29-2005, 05:07 PM

The vdimm are not showing right value on the dfi nf4 board :stick: and its much to.

funkflix

10-29-2005, 05:18 PM

and its much to.

What?

Yes, 0.03-0.04V in bios, 0.07-0.08V in windows, or what do u mean? :rolleyes:

@OPB

Thougt it was ur WR sticks.. ;) :D

[XC] moddolicous

10-29-2005, 05:58 PM

Nice stocks OPB. R those some new G-Skill sticks garunteed to do 300 2-2-2-5?? Does setting tras to 0 instead of 5 or make a noticable difference.

Onepagebook

10-29-2005, 06:05 PM

What?

Yes, 0.03-0.04V in bios, 0.07-0.08V in windows, or what do u mean? :rolleyes:

@OPB

Thougt it was ur WR sticks.. ;) :D

WR 2x256 sold to ZeroX 2 weeks ago, and I can tell you that this 2x512 is really nice. , well the point is not ram, the point is I use 510-3 oskar bios;)

well , sorry that I forgot to show the 1024 dual channel info,, I can do that if you guys wanna see. but under the situation of showing many CPUZ and a64tweakers, the results will be couple seconds slower;)

funkflix

10-29-2005, 06:06 PM

Does setting tras to 0 instead of 5 or make a noticable difference.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1107860&postcount=16 ;)

@OPB

No need for it, i believe it. ;)

Maybe i give the 510-3 a try one day, it looks a bit slow instead of the 704-2BT.
U can run Trfc 11 only with this bios? :)

Onepagebook

10-29-2005, 07:03 PM

thank you for your trust, too bad, I already ran it and only 1 sec slower. I think I gotta give some evidences right ? Or someone might start thinking OPB BS here again;); other bios, I think will be same though.
** this looks slower than 704-2bta is because I install the Mac OS theme, and this HD is not for bench purpose:D
Here you go:

http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/5788/32mdc11kw.jpg

finished:

http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/9587/32mdc24xx.jpg

windows captured:

http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/1001/r252x13pi32m2bm.jpg

bachus_anonym

10-29-2005, 07:10 PM

Come on Kevin, what RAM is that? :) Is that also Twinmos or Buffalo? 3.17v would be about 3.22v measured with multimeter and that is still very impressive for 253Mhz and 32M :slobber: You are just way too lucky, you know? :D
Impressive stuff you guys are showing here :toast:

Vapor

10-29-2005, 07:10 PM

Very nice results Kev!:up:

s7e9h3n

10-29-2005, 09:51 PM

thank you for your trust, too bad, I already ran it and only 1 sec slower. I think I gotta give some evidences right ? Or someone might start thinking OPB BS here again;); other bios, I think will be same though...
Hehehe...I know what RAM that is and it definately isn't anything GSkill ;) Yup, TRFC11 is pretty crazy. I talked to OPB and he said to try it @ 270. Well, I can now definately say that it's no possible @ 270 :p: . I did try RP@4 and it actually made my times slower :confused:...... C'mon Kev, you know that I can do around the same timings/vdimm as your sticks, now show me if those sticks can run these timings for 32m ;) (even better -> do it on air :p: )
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2266/11x270bh32m3za.jpg

Vapor

10-29-2005, 09:54 PM

Try slacking your trrd to 2? Might add enough stability. :shrug:

s7e9h3n

10-29-2005, 09:59 PM

Hey thanks for the reply, sounds promesing for my 1gig of corsair pc3500c2 pure bh5 just like your twinmos, would i get same or near results of your memory? ohh by the way, my mobo MSI Neo2 platinum sux big time paired with any bh5 old or new, with new revised bh5 ocz gold it only does 204fsb stable in memtest at 2.85v , just horrible. And this same ram does 221fsb in my brothers 754pin DFI NF3 250g at only 2.8v. This mobo sux and swallows.
Corsair 3500 is very good RAM. I had a stick that died on me soon after I got it. Pulled the spreaders and they were 313we's - one of the best production weeks for BH5. You need to get a DDR Booster for your Neo2 Plat. I used that board in my preview of the 3800+ Venice and this was what it did @ 3.7Vdimm w/2x256 Kingston PC3500 Bh5 -
http://img115.exs.cx/img115/9205/2754wx.jpg

s7e9h3n

10-29-2005, 10:02 PM

Try slacking your trrd to 2? Might add enough stability. :shrug:
For running TRFC11? I'll try that, but I have a feeling that even if I can get the setting to stick, I won't be able to run any benches. When I try setting TRFC11 with my current settlings, I instantly get a reboot :p:

s7e9h3n

10-30-2005, 01:05 AM

Did you mean 3.7Vdimm w/2x512 Corsair PC3500 Bh5 ?

What is the max safe 24/7 voltage on these suxers ? I have a 54cfm fan blowing on top of them, very cool to the touch at 3.1v in my bro's DFI NF3 250G
Also, do you know how much voltage would it take for me to reach 250fsb? I'd be really happy at 250fsb with lowest latency possible 2-2-2-5. Thanks.
Nope...2x256 - CPUz was bugged @ the time of the Venice's release. Max Vdim 24/7? I'd say anywhere from 3.2-3.4, maybe even a little more if your sticks can handle them. I don't even wanna guess how much vdimm it would take to do 250 since every set is different......
Ahhh- 3.7 is nothin ;) Old BH-5's can handle voltages like that. If you take a look at my Vdimm on my current 2x512 set, you'll see that I'm also using 3.7 for these as well ;)

Lastviking

10-30-2005, 02:05 AM

Nope...2x256 - CPUz was bugged @ the time of the Venice's release. Max Vdim 24/7? I'd say anywhere from 3.2-3.4, maybe even a little more if your sticks can handle them. I don't even wanna guess how much vdimm it would take to do 250 since every set is different......
Ahhh- 3.7 is nothin ;) Old BH-5's can handle voltages like that. If you take a look at my Vdimm on my current 2x512 set, you'll see that I'm also using 3.7 for these as well ;)

hehe you forgot some thing you are not runing 3.7v its more like 3.7+0.1=3.8v the dfi bf4 shows wrong :D check it with a multimeter there the board miss one cap close to the dimms.

I have used 3.4v+0.1 = 3.5v now for some days it works fine with a fan over them.

funkflix

10-30-2005, 05:27 AM

mag|c

10-30-2005, 05:30 AM

thats some amazing scores you are getting with 2x512mb old BH5 s7e9h3n :slobber:

s7e9h3n

10-30-2005, 11:21 AM

My damn DFI drives me crazy these days.. :slapass:

A few weeks ago i run 273MHz 32M, now it is impossible to take 270MHz 1M.. sometimes it runs with 3,6V then no way with 3,8V.. everyday something new with this board. :stick: :D
Welcome to the wacky world of the DFI NF4-Boards :p: When I had originally got this memory, I couldn't run the Vdimm over 3.6 on the memory or they would freak out. I just recently popped the sticks back in and they run easily @ 3.7 now :confused:
Oh, BTW my windows vdimm reading is pretty close to the actual vdimm since this particular board pushes the volatge pretty hard to the memory. For example I arrive @ the 3.7V I'm using right now by setting 3.6V+.03 in bios. If I set 3.6V without the +.03, I get 3.66V in windows......

s7e9h3n

10-30-2005, 11:28 AM

so 3.7volts is pretty safe as long as u have some decent air cooling right? I don't think i'll feel comfortable playing games knowing my ram is doing 3.7v, just sounds too insane to me.

Another question, would i be able to reach high fsb if i leave everything on "auto" for memory timings and stuff on DFI mobo (except for 2-2-2-5)? In my bro's pc (754 pin DFI) everything is at auto and runs pretty good , or should i tweak them like u have posted above on your new bh5?
LOL, if you think about it, whatever we consider "normal" for our overclocked computers is often considered "insane" to the rest of the non-overclocked world. So "insanity" is all relative ;)
When you set everything on "auto" you have a better chance of reaching a higher FSB since the memory will default to loose timings. Yeah, you should try to tighten the settings as tight as they will run stable (but unless your sticks are some of the best sticks ever made, I doubt that they will be able to run the EXACT same timings as mine on the MSI board). Just make sure that you set your memory speed to 200 or 1:1 otherwise your sticks will boot @ 217Mhz max......

Onepagebook

10-30-2005, 01:35 PM

s7e9h3n

10-30-2005, 01:43 PM

Steve, were you talking about like these two? they were all done over 270 with tight as hell timing.:p

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7707/3835pi1m6hd.gif

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2418/37828m2qj.gif
Woah, those are some fast times....well if you don't factor in the multiplier, my sticks can match that 1m @ 274 and they're tighter @ 32m than your 4m @ 270 ;)

Onepagebook

10-30-2005, 01:55 PM

s7e9h3n

10-30-2005, 06:23 PM

ya, that's why you gotta set trrd as 2 match RP as 5 for best stability and not lose any performance;), at that moment, tight timing is NOT helping you out for faster result but just holding your calculation back :D
** also , that's not 4m , that's 8m.. 8m is really a bit tricky than 32m...:D
LOL...ok I'll try that ;) (I knew you weren't telling me something when we were talking about this on the phone)....but still, isn't 32m still harder to run tight than 8m? :p: I know you're gonna show me up pretty soon so I'm just trying to enjoy the moment :D

geforce man

10-30-2005, 06:50 PM

thats like my old KHX true bh5 (over 3 years old now i think) anyways, on my dfi, before i got rid of that buggy POS, they did 274 2-2-2-7-1t @ 3.5 volts, ran a few benches and a sandra, and took em back down to 225 @ 2.7 volts, i was scurd. but i dont think mine would have been stable enough for those benches man, those are some sweeeeet sticks you got there.

krampak

10-31-2005, 01:22 AM

i'll try to repeat my benchmarks with thigher timings later:

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/901/2801pt.th.jpg (http://img497.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2801pt.jpg)

I think i can get it stable with trfc 11 (will not forgot to include a64 tweaker)

PD: That's aircooled.

Onepagebook

10-31-2005, 09:40 AM

well my first try with 275+ is here. Not have chance to get 32m going yet. :)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4294/bhddr5506jj.jpg

krampak

10-31-2005, 10:08 AM

The same here :)

http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/741/2754zk.th.jpg (http://img328.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2754zk.jpg)

275 with tighest timings. I've tried with trfc 11 but it's impossible at any higher than 240.

I see u have changed tref, idle cycle and read preamble, why? should I use that values? :D

krampak

10-31-2005, 10:15 AM

Seems that those new values are better. 276Mhz and 0.3 seconds improve in superpi:

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/7983/2765hi.th.jpg (http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2765hi.jpg)

I'll be in the opty limit soon (still aircooled)

funkflix

10-31-2005, 11:17 AM

Above 275Mhz it get really hard.. wonder if someone of us will hit 280MHz with this thight timings? :toast:

If i set it to 280MHz with clockgen, i get some wired noises out of my speakers(no sound installed!) and 2 sec later BSOD.. :p:

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6895/2751m3os.jpg

s7e9h3n

10-31-2005, 11:24 AM

well my first try with 275+ is here. Not have chance to get 32m going yet. :)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4294/bhddr5506jj.jpg
Sweet :clap: It's on ;) .......I'm getting my setup prepped for some autocascade action as I'm typing right now......

@Krampak: NIIICE :toast: How much Vdimm does that require and what type of sticks are you using? Time to run some 32m's :D

krampak

10-31-2005, 04:52 PM

I'm running at 3.77V, I can't put more voltage without get a BSOD :(
The chips are 0340WF mounted on a pair of mushkin level II.

esdee

11-01-2005, 11:25 AM

I use 510-3 oskar bios;)

hmmmm is there a link for that BIOS?

krampak

11-01-2005, 11:36 AM

I think it's this one:

http://oskarwu.myweb.hinet.net/dfi/betabios/510-3FIX.zip

I'm using 623-2BTA.

s7e9h3n

11-02-2005, 04:01 PM

I'm running at 3.77V, I can't put more voltage without get a BSOD :(
The chips are 0340WF mounted on a pair of mushkin level II.
Oh yeah, I remember now :p: I haven't been able to get any runs in lately, but hopefully the time off will allow my sticks to run better just like last time - I had taken them out after they started getting unstable @ 3.66V when I reinstalled them they ran 3.70 perfectly stable with no changes whatsovever. I didn't try any higher, but hopefully I'll be able to run 3.80 this time ;)

TheMeatFrog

11-04-2005, 02:53 PM

Just got my old school bh-5 yesterday, haven't really had much time to play with them but here's what I have so far. :)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7739/2658qa.png

s7e9h3n

11-04-2005, 11:04 PM

Just got my old school bh-5 yesterday, haven't really had much time to play with them but here's what I have so far. :)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7739/2658qa.png
Nice work! What chips are they?

TheMeatFrog

11-05-2005, 07:46 AM

Corsair pc3500c2 :) Not sure what the actual ICs are since I haven't taken off the heat spreaders. :toast:

s7e9h3n

11-06-2005, 12:11 AM

Corsair pc3500c2 :) Not sure what the actual ICs are since I haven't taken off the heat spreaders. :toast:
Most likely 313we's :banana: I have a stick right here in front of me that I killed about 2 weeks after buying it when they were still available in retail :rolleyes:

TheMeatFrog

11-06-2005, 12:17 AM

Here is a pic of them... :) Got them and a 36GB raptor in a sweet combo deal :woot:

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7383/img13520ay.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img13520ay.jpg)

TheMeatFrog

11-06-2005, 12:34 AM

Most likely 313we's :banana: I have a stick right here in front of me that I killed about 2 weeks after buying it when they were still available in retail :rolleyes:
BTW what drive strength and data drive strength are you using and bios?

s7e9h3n

11-06-2005, 12:45 AM

BTW what drive strength and data drive strength are you using and bios?
It depends on my mood :p: Usually auto/auto works fine for me though ;)

s7e9h3n

11-10-2005, 07:07 PM

Just got the autocascade booted with the FX55 and here is my first runs @ TRFC11. The BH5's don't seem to want to go as high as they did @ x11 mult. It's gonna take some more tweaking:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3042/13x2501mtrfc111oe.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2192/13x2508mtrfc112ct.jpg

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/1169/12x25032mtrfc116zt.jpg

[XC] moddolicous

11-10-2005, 07:13 PM

Wow, those are some tight timings. As the cpu gets colder, it cant handle as high of htt. The only thing I can think of (and what I've been trying out) is the DQS thing at the bottom.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57925&highlight=skew
It says set to slower for stability and set to faster for performance. Might be worth a try.

s7e9h3n

11-10-2005, 07:33 PM

s7e9h3n

11-10-2005, 07:39 PM

Oh almost forgot - this memory can also run a spi1m @ 265 with 3.52 Vdimm. I didn't try for any higher as I just assumed they would crap out, but now I'm beginning to reconsider :p: :
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/4959/12x2651m6ge.jpg

Onepagebook

11-10-2005, 09:17 PM

that's right , from my personal experience, the 12x is the hardest multi. to get over 265 HTT

s7e9h3n

11-11-2005, 07:32 AM

that's right , from my personal experience, the 12x is the hardest multi. to get over 265 HTT
Heh....when the 0512 FX57 gets here today, I'll just have to run @ 13x265 then.... ;)

Lastviking

11-13-2005, 01:06 PM

I´m back, changed my winchester for a 146 and it helpt me. I think i cane go higher later. Vdimm 3.68v

http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload5/276mhz.JPG

:D

funkflix

12-05-2005, 03:28 PM

Played a little bit with the drive srenght, and it seems that i get a little bit better results with it.. more testing tomorrow. :)

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2853/272tight368be.jpg

Lastviking

12-05-2005, 03:55 PM

Played a little bit with the drive srenght, and it seems that i get a little bit better results with it.. more testing tomorrow. :)

Looking good but how can you have so cold pwm and nb temp? :p: , i wating for me second twinmos old bh5 stick to arrive to me before i show some more fun screens ;) "the adata stick are cripling me now" :fact:

funkflix

12-05-2005, 04:05 PM

Hehe.. No "special" cooling today, maybe 18°C roomtemp. ;) If i cool down the room, it looks more like that:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9065/290615840eo9jp.jpg

:toast:

s7e9h3n

12-05-2005, 05:00 PM

Hehehe...almost forgot about this thread. Here's a couple of updates: This is as high as I've been able to get the ram when phase-cooled:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1149/13x2701m7lc.jpg

This is the fastest 1m time I've gotten on the Expert:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2640/14x2631m2px.jpg

BTW, the DFI Expert is capable of running LL Ram @ disgustingly fast timings:
http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/5649/13x2521mfast5qk.jpg

funkflix

12-05-2005, 05:04 PM

Nice timings on the expert! :toast:

Lastviking

12-06-2005, 01:47 AM

Playing with 4x512mb old bh5

http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload2/2048mb252mhz.JPG

funkflix

12-06-2005, 02:59 AM

Good results for 4x512MB! I only tried it one time, the Muskins + Kingstons, but i only reached about ~ 230MHz, the Kingstons was not that good. ;)

esdee

12-06-2005, 08:21 AM

Nice timings on the expert! :toast:

indeed, seems like new drive streangths that allow tighter timmings

s7e9h3n

12-06-2005, 08:59 AM

indeed, seems like new drive streangths that allow tighter timmings
In fact, it has nothing to do with Drive Strength ;) , but rather better engineering since I use the same Drive/Data Strength settings as on the Ultra/Sli/SliDR Nf4 boards.....

killingspreez

12-06-2005, 09:11 AM

some of my old bh-5 ..... i like'em ;)
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2053/25632el.th.jpg (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25632el.jpg)

mfg

Lastviking

12-06-2005, 11:34 AM

some of my old bh-5 ..... i like'em ;)
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2053/25632el.th.jpg (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25632el.jpg)

mfg

2x256mb :rolleyes:

killingspreez

12-07-2005, 04:12 AM

sorry for that!
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/6396/70wp.th.jpg (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=70wp.jpg)

mfg

funkflix

12-07-2005, 04:17 AM

And the alpha timings? A64Tweaker shot? :)

killingspreez

12-07-2005, 04:35 AM

same timings as for the 2*256mb only 200mhz 15,6 us ;)

mfg

[XC] Aerosupra

12-07-2005, 11:54 AM

seems the expert pushes certain things further, Im amazed of those latencies!

funkflix

12-07-2005, 03:21 PM

Just a digicam shot, bcs. both, the cpu and the ram, was on his limit, so it is better to do that. :D

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4541/1m27234bh5275mhz3aj.jpg

Wanted to get the magic 26.xxx with watercooled Venice again, but this time with ram power, but it doesn't work.. :(

This Venice won't boot with an MAL a. RP of 7/5, so i decided to go with 9/7.

funkflix

01-06-2006, 06:44 AM

A shot with my Opteron, it seems, that this Mushkins can't go > 275.5MHz, doesn't metter which Cpu and Vdimm. 3.68V @ Smartguardian, 3,7V in Bios. Anyway, nice sticks. :toast:

http://213.202.211.105/gravedigga/0546GPAW/275.5mhz_1m_3.7V_3030mhz.jpg

dinos22

02-23-2006, 04:38 AM

The key is to use as high as a vdimm as possible ;) No joke - the less the difference between the Vram and the output of the 5V rail, the less votage the IC which regulates your Vram has to displace........And besides, those rumors only hold true for UTT. Old BH5 sticks are built like tanks :p: ..........
that explains why RAM is a lot hotter running at 3.3v than say 3.5/3.6v as well as mosfets...........i remember eva commenting on this a while back that it was probably better to keep it at 3.5v for 24/7 rather than 3.3v heh

steve are those twinmos sticks 6-layer PCB

also are they BP......not sure if BP & 6-layer are synonymous

s7e9h3n

02-23-2006, 09:30 AM

that explains why RAM is a lot hotter running at 3.3v than say 3.5/3.6v as well as mosfets...........i remember eva commenting on this a while back that it was probably better to keep it at 3.5v for 24/7 rather than 3.3v heh

steve are those twinmos sticks 6-layer PCB

also are they BP......not sure if BP & 6-layer are synonymous
Actually, the only chip which really shows an noticable increase in temps when running low Vmem with the 5v jumper enabled is the IC which is regualting the voltage to the memory. It basically has to "eat up" the voltage and release it in the form of heat.

All old-bh5 is built on JEDEC Spec'd PCB's. AFAIK, the only memory maker who used a 6-layer PCB was Mushkin in their Black series. THis was what allowed many of their sticks to hit speeds which on average were much better than those from other companies. Interestingly enough, I've heard rumors that Twinmos was actually OEM'ing Mushkin's BH5 when they first were released - don't know how much truth that holds though.

I'm not sure about BP being 6-layered or not. I think that BP's ability to accept high voltages has something to do with it's design. Ironically, it's this ability to run @ high Vmem's with BP that's killing many of the UTT we see today......

funkflix

02-23-2006, 09:34 AM

BP are not that special, like all thought.. it was just hyped. ;)

Afaik the BP PCB it's even cheaper then a JEDEC PCB!

Revv23

02-23-2006, 09:46 AM

BP are not that special, like all thought.. it was just hyped. ;)

Afaik the BP PCB it's even cheaper then a JEDEC PCB!

yeah it is...from what ive told, a problem with old bh-5 's is that they dont run much over 270 because the pcb starts holding them back.

ozzimark

02-23-2006, 09:51 AM

yeah it is...from what ive told, a problem with old bh-5 's is that they dont run much over 270 because the pcb starts holding them back.
why not just unsolder the chips from the JEDEC pcb and put em on a BP808 pcb, and flash the spd as needed :p: :D

dinos22

02-23-2006, 01:03 PM

All old-bh5 is built on JEDEC Spec'd PCB's. AFAIK, the only memory maker who used a 6-layer PCB was Mushkin in their Black series. THis was what allowed many of their sticks to hit speeds which on average were much better than those from other companies. Interestingly enough, I've heard rumors that Twinmos was actually OEM'ing Mushkin's BH5 when they first were released - don't know how much truth that holds though.
this is what i'm picking up today and it ain't mushkin nor Twinmos ;)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/Defyantmods/Bits%20and%20Peices/DSC02326.jpg

funkflix

02-23-2006, 01:07 PM

Hmm, can not see anything on the label.. :p:

Is it A-Data?

dinos22

02-23-2006, 01:13 PM

Hmm, can not see anything on the label.. :p:

Is it A-Data?
nope :p: try again

ZeroX

02-23-2006, 01:15 PM

Those are some Buffalo, arent they :D?

Lastviking

02-23-2006, 01:18 PM

Those are some Buffalo, arent they :D?

Nope i dont think so, they dont look like buffalo to me :), they are not muskin,adata,twinmos,kingston,corsair and not buffalo.

dinos22

02-23-2006, 01:18 PM

nope :p:

ZeroX

02-23-2006, 01:27 PM

:S

I was sure they were Buffalo.. but if they arent.. tell us what are they or show us some :slobber: results

:toast:

El Snorro

02-23-2006, 01:48 PM

Dude nice sticks!
Show results plz!

dinos22

02-23-2006, 01:57 PM

relax boys i;m picking them up tonight................long wait for me........8 hours and counting :(

btw they are Rambo sticks.....you can actually read it on the lavel if you look closely

s7e9h3n

02-23-2006, 02:21 PM

relax boys i;m picking them up tonight................long wait for me........8 hours and counting :(

btw they are Rambo sticks.....you can actually read it on the lavel if you look closely
You sure it's not SpecTek?

ozzimark

02-23-2006, 02:30 PM

You sure it's not SpecTek?
looks like Ram Bo to me.. it's really hard to read though :fact:

s7e9h3n

02-23-2006, 02:33 PM

looks like Ram Bo to me.. it's really hard to read though :fact:
Well the sticker in the middle with the "S" logo suggests SpecTek ;)

ZeroX

02-23-2006, 02:39 PM

Anyway, the important thing is that they are 312WE on a good pcb :)

coop

02-23-2006, 02:40 PM

I've heard of Rambo rams. I have some picks I'll look up. Kind of popular in UK and Tiawan/Malay. (Like Team)

dinos22

02-23-2006, 02:58 PM

Well the sticker in the middle with the "S" logo suggests SpecTek ;)
it could be rebadged stuff stephen as these brands are small time guys ...........we get all sorts of weird and wonderful brands around here........most of them cheap chinese stuff but sometimes a nice once pops by

these came out of some reject system left by a mate of seller's: :eek: ROFL what a scoreWas pulling apart a sys left here by a mate while back and seen this ram in it!!

EvilCloudStrife

02-23-2006, 05:16 PM

does brand have anything to do with BH-5, or is it the week on the chip itself (i know that some has to do with the pcb)

does any BH-5 have brainpower?

dinos22

02-23-2006, 05:24 PM

does any BH-5 have brainpower?YES!!!

OPB is kicking himself for selling his only pair by mistake

dinos22

02-24-2006, 04:26 AM

-De$troyeR-

02-24-2006, 05:50 AM

my 2x512mb mushkin bh-5 @ air
ambient temp ~10°C

307*11 @ 183 divider

http://people.freenet.de/destro/superpi/23.969sek-t.jpg

funkflix

02-24-2006, 06:00 AM

Thought u will never post that here.. :p: :toast:

-De$troyeR-

02-24-2006, 08:56 AM

:D :toast:

dinos22

02-24-2006, 01:54 PM

oh man i was really looking forward to these and it's sad sad sad that they just refuse to run

worst part is i was at the seller's place and the sticks were installed in his 865PE computer....i even ran 32M superpi and they passed....just stock speeds

tried it on UltraD and Expert for at least an hour and i can't get them to even stop crashing memtest..........i've also done plenty of cmos cleaning with my 11xmulti Opty...lucky it's still showing 11 :(

i'm devastated damn it

the sticks are refusing to even memtest clean as single sticks ffs

how the fark is that possible........fine in P4 and absolutely hating two different DFI boards and CPUs :confused:
bet ya you've never seen old school BH5 do this ROFL :sick: :brick: :bsod: :bsod:

left everything Auto and used 100 divider....the only way they would pass memtest and boot into windows :(

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4857/100dividerat2ghz6dc.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=100dividerat2ghz6dc.jpg)

funkflix

02-24-2006, 05:31 PM

@dinos22

Ur new BH5 definitely rock! :(

Some low voltage fun with my mushkins :

http://213.202.211.105/gravedigga/superpi_temp/270.6mhz_3,47V.jpg

It's funny, that i need about 0,2V more, to squeeze out the last 5MHz of this sticks.. :stick:

dinos22

02-24-2006, 05:42 PM

that's just awesome ram dude

yeah i took those sticks back and shoved them back in the P4 box....865PE chipset and sure enough they work fine DDR200 with they stock SPD timings ......just couldn't get the freaking sticks to go past 100 divider....argh :(

funkflix

02-24-2006, 05:46 PM

That's really strange with ur BH5...did u tested them single wise?

dinos22

02-24-2006, 05:48 PM

That's really strange with ur BH5...did u tested them single wise?
yeap same thing :(

funkflix

02-24-2006, 05:52 PM

dinos22

02-24-2006, 06:25 PM

Then i think the problem should be the PCB... that really sucks! U think u buy a really nice pair of BH5, with a special PCB who should rock, and then someting like that... :( I hope for u, that the sticks wasn't that expensive! :toast:
it was ok.......the guy refunded me.....he's a nice guy

maybe some of you know him....he's our aussie case mod king defyant :toast:

anyways i've lined up a couple of different things so we'll see....just want to play with some better SPI times that's all :D

EvilCloudStrife

02-24-2006, 06:32 PM

i just bought 2 brand new sticks from mushkin. the last of their stock. i am hoping they are gunna clock very well

eva2000

02-24-2006, 09:36 PM

oh man i was really looking forward to these and it's sad sad sad that they just refuse to run

worst part is i was at the seller's place and the sticks were installed in his 865PE computer....i even ran 32M superpi and they passed....just stock speeds

tried it on UltraD and Expert for at least an hour and i can't get them to even stop crashing memtest..........i've also done plenty of cmos cleaning with my 11xmulti Opty...lucky it's still showing 11 :(

i'm devastated damn it

the sticks are refusing to even memtest clean as single sticks ffs

how the fark is that possible........fine in P4 and absolutely hating two different DFI boards and CPUs :confused:
ouch man... did ya play with drive/drive data strengths ? some bh-5 need loose MAL/preamble than others especially on dividers

dinos22

02-24-2006, 10:11 PM

ouch man... did ya play with drive/drive data strengths ? some bh-5 need loose MAL/preamble than others especially on dividers
i've tried it all loose/tight/different combo strengths/auto values

i mean i just don't get it......unbelievable........the sticks are at his place....he said he'd check em out in his Asus A8N SLI Deluxe when he digs out a floppy.....just couldn't get them going :(

s7e9h3n

02-24-2006, 10:13 PM

i've tried it all loose/tight/different combo strengths/auto values

i mean i just don't get it......unbelievable........the sticks are at his place....he said he'd check em out in his Asus A8N SLI Deluxe when he digs out a floppy.....just couldn't get them going :(
They don't even do default rated speeds?

dinos22

02-24-2006, 10:15 PM

They don't even do default rated speeds?
nope :( as i said before i only got them to run 100MHz.......that's it

i used a64tweaker in windows to set 133 divider and guess what happened :bsod: :bsod: :bsod: :bsod: :bsod:

s7e9h3n

02-24-2006, 10:27 PM

nope :( as i said before i only got them to run 100MHz.......that's it

i used a64tweaker in windows to set 133 divider and guess what happened :bsod: :bsod: :bsod: :bsod: :bsod:
wow...that's weird :wth:

dinos22

02-24-2006, 10:52 PM

wow...that's weird :wth:
what really bugs the hell out of me is that after dropping the sticks over to sellers place and sticking them back in that P4 box bang they booted up straight away............checked CPUZ and sure enough they are running at SPD timings DDR400 200MHz 2.5-3-3-8 :(

works in P4 and hates DFI NF4 :confused: anyways.........not to worry

s7e9h3n

02-24-2006, 11:21 PM

what really bugs the hell out of me is that after dropping the sticks over to sellers place and sticking them back in that P4 box bang they booted up straight away............checked CPUZ and sure enough they are running at SPD timings DDR400 200MHz 2.5-3-3-8 :(

works in P4 and hates DFI NF4 :confused: anyways.........not to worry
Well gotta ask: You sure you were running in Yellow slots with the 4V jumper enabled?

dinos22

02-24-2006, 11:27 PM

nope i didn't run with 4v jumper...............

i only tried from 2.5v-2.9v and i tried single and dual channel with both orange and yellow slots

eva2000

02-25-2006, 05:37 AM

nope i didn't run with 4v jumper...............

i only tried from 2.5v-2.9v and i tried single and dual channel with both orange and yellow slots
sounds like UTT CH-5 characteristics of early OCZ PC3200 GoldVX, needs high vdimm for even 200mhz 2-2-2-5 but strange on P4 huh

dinos22

02-25-2006, 05:39 AM

except that is sayd BH5 on them :p:

s7e9h3n

02-25-2006, 09:54 AM

nope i didn't run with 4v jumper...............

i only tried from 2.5v-2.9v and i tried single and dual channel with both orange and yellow slots
Try to pump 3.1+ V into the sticks. Maybe they'll need that much to respond....

dinos22

02-25-2006, 04:23 PM

Try to pump 3.1+ V into the sticks. Maybe they'll need that much to respond....
oh man i already took them back...........i'll ask him to borrow them to try that

it would be odd if they started to work all of a sudden

you recommend yellow slots with 623 bios and 4v jumper

i've never used a 4v jumper on this my previous SLI-D nor my first Ultra-D......DFI :slapass:

should i manually set the voltage to 2.6V turn off the mobo and do the jumper or leave vdimm at Auto

s7e9h3n

02-25-2006, 05:09 PM

oh man i already took them back...........i'll ask him to borrow them to try that

it would be odd if they started to work all of a sudden

you recommend yellow slots with 623 bios and 4v jumper

i've never used a 4v jumper on this my previous SLI-D nor my first Ultra-D......DFI :slapass:

should i manually set the voltage to 2.6V turn off the mobo and do the jumper or leave vdimm at Auto
Really, it doesn't matter too much which bios you use. Personally I run the 510-3 for EVERYTHING. Use the yellow slots and make sure your cpu vid is not set to auto or the options for 3.3+V won't appear. It may take a few moments, but just move around the bios and come back and all the Vmem options will be open. Set it to 3.3V and clock away......

funkflix

03-23-2006, 06:09 AM

Finally reached the magic 280MHz with some Corsair PC3500C2! Excellent sticks. :toast:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3306/1m2800mhz377vsmall3lf.jpg

MusicIsMyLife

03-23-2006, 11:12 AM

Nice clocks, Felix. :toast:

I figured out some problems with my bh5 and now I can run 250+ very easy.

funkflix

03-23-2006, 12:21 PM

Thx, Jens. ;)

Show us some screenshots from ur Mushkins! :toast:

Edit: Optimized run now -

http://213.202.211.105/gravedigga/0546GPAW/1m_280mhz.jpg

starostise

03-23-2006, 08:04 PM

hi, all
i join this thread showing my two 2x256mo kits of old bh5 still with heatspreader room temp about 22-23°:

click to enlarge pictures.

1st, corsair xms pc3200c2 rev1.1 + mushkin pc3500 level2 black at 3.75v:
http://membres.lycos.fr/starostise/BH5/285_1.5220_3.7_0.03_1m_min.PNG (http://membres.lycos.fr/starostise/BH5/285_1.5220_3.7_0.03_1m.PNG)

2nd, 100% mushkin pc3500 level2 silver at 3.8v:
http://membres.lycos.fr/starostise/BH5/kit_mushkin_279_3.8_1m_min.PNG (http://membres.lycos.fr/starostise/BH5/kit_mushkin_279_3.8_1m.PNG)

maybe i'll test them under single phase soon

those are my first kits, just moved from those crappy tccd's :slapass:

i think i'm lucky :woot:

coop

03-23-2006, 09:03 PM

"i think i'm lucky "
You are, those are nice.

krullet

03-23-2006, 10:02 PM

got damit now i get really horny of buying some new mems, i have a pair of A-data that does 270 2-2-2-5 3,7V, but sitting here and se your mems doing 275-285 get me really loaded...

the only pic i have is this, from when i played around with ln2 on my cpu, but here i did not concentrate on memory speed, i had pretty tight timings though(2-2-2-5), im going to work with my memories tonight and se if i can get them over 270, i have had them i 272 3dmark03 stable before and 270 superpi stable@ 3.65V.

but as i said im going to work with them tonight at post some more results and some more info on timings and stuff

http://i1.tinypic.com/s42m41.jpg
(plz no comments on the pi time, its sucks i know)
but i have do bow downto the memorymasters..just grejt fu**ing clocks guys, really impressive, :toast:

jmax_oc

03-23-2006, 11:26 PM

maybe i'll test them under single phase soon

those are my first kits, just moved from those crappy tccd's :slapass:

i think i'm lucky :woot:
I know these sticks :)

starostise

03-24-2006, 12:56 AM

I know these sticks :)

:toast:

boblemagnifique

03-24-2006, 01:06 AM

nice !!!

C_B

03-24-2006, 06:11 AM

Winbond have to make some DDR2 Chips :rolleyes:

MusicIsMyLife

03-24-2006, 10:59 AM

Thx, Jens. ;)

Show us some screenshots from ur Mushkins! :toast:

Sorry, no really good screenshots untill now. :(

http://www.musicismylife.de/270x10_DDR400_DFI.png

Only SingleChannel. It´s an unoptimized run with the better stick. SuperPi was done with 3.48 volt.

http://www.musicismylife.de/34507_Web.png

Vdimm 3.2 volt. Vidcard is an x800xl without any mods. #10 in 2k1 in this category. Still not optimized. :rolleyes:

Compare-URL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8929406)

Still testing my sticks. I can run memtest @ 260 (timings are shown in 1st screen, only trc is at 7) for several hours errorfree with 3.3 volt. SuperPi 32M at 250 at 3.15 volt.

Nothing extrem yet. But my goal is 260+ 3d-stable and 270+ for SuperPi 1m.