View Full Version : 7800GTX 512meg November 7th ?
Ubermann
10-25-2005, 09:36 AM
According to Gibbo at Overclockers UK they will launch this overclocked version of GTX at that date.Overclockers UK forum (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5804763&postcount=35)
"On November 7th OcUK will be launch partner with NVIDIA on the new faster clocked 512MB 7800 GTX which will furth establish NVIDIA as performance leader and OcUK will have priority allocation on 512MB cards which could also mean we have exclusivity and unlike ATI NVIDIA will be shipping plenty of stock throughout November"
Guess this is the "Ultra" people talking about.
perkam
10-25-2005, 10:12 AM
Nice, hope this pushes down the price of the GT even further :p:
This isnt the Ultra though. A memory size increase has never justified a change in product name. The ultra is expected to be at the very least a speedbump, if not more.
What remains uncertain is whether it will use the same 1.6ns ram (meaning lower cost) or samsung's 1.2/1.4ns ram, which will surely have it costing close to the XT.
Perkam
Damn...there goes the XT.... :(
Cheaper, faster, more available....nightmare for ATI.
Good thing if you waited for a 512mb card after the GTX launch, like me...I'm gonna get one :)
Nice, hope this pushes down the price of the GT even further :p:
This isnt the Ultra though. A memory size increase has never justified a change in product name. The ultra is expected to be at the very least a speedbump, if not more.
Perkam
It's faster then the GTX....let's call it the faster GTX...otherwise it won't beat the XT...which they are pretty certain of :)
Ultra? nVidia said it was.....
perkam
10-25-2005, 10:14 AM
I'm gonna get one Surrey, UK Damn...that's gonna be one fast card. Be sure to post oc results in the x3d section when you do :up:
Perkam
Damn...that's gonna be one fast card. Be sure to post oc results in the x3d section when you do :up:
Perkam
hey no problem perkam (I'm not getting one via the UK, my dad is going to Singapore the 1st of November)...saves me mucho dollar over there :) )
I'm gonna WC it with a Maze 4 :)
Ubermann
10-25-2005, 10:21 AM
Would be a boring card if its just an overclocked GTX with 512ram.
If this is not the Ultra then a regular GTX will be very cheap soon.
Cant not find 1 word about what Ultra "should" be..
DilTech
10-25-2005, 10:22 AM
Nice, hope this pushes down the price of the GT even further :p:
This isnt the Ultra though. A memory size increase has never justified a change in product name. The ultra is expected to be at the very least a speedbump, if not more.
What remains uncertain is whether it will use the same 1.6ns ram (meaning lower cost) or samsung's 1.2/1.4ns ram, which will surely have it costing close to the XT.
Perkam
It said clear as day that this will be a faster GTX...wouldn't that count as a speed-bump?
perkam
10-25-2005, 10:28 AM
It said clear as day that this will be a faster GTX...wouldn't that count as a speed-bump?My bad --> Varying definitions of speedbump I'm afraid. IMO for it to qualify as an ultra, we talking 550 Core/ 1.4ghz ram or something.
Perkam
My bad --> Varying definitions of speedbump I'm afraid. IMO for it to qualify as an ultra, we talking 550 Core/ 1.4ghz ram or something.
Perkam
I'm not sure on the core...but the memory could do that, anything less then that on the memory is a bit of a shame :)
But I can settle with 525 on the cherry picked G70 core, probably got some more voltage so on water you could be looking at 600Mhz for the core (if all goes well) :)
freecableguy
10-25-2005, 10:43 AM
You can get 600 on the core NOW! Just can't be afraid to give the G70 some volts. :D
The 512MB of mem is tempting though, would be easy to sell my current cards and add a couple extra $$$ for the "ultra" variants.
Ubermann
10-25-2005, 10:43 AM
How much volt do you need on a regular GTX to hit 600 on core ?
freecableguy
10-25-2005, 10:44 AM
How much volt do you need on a regular GTX to hit 600 on core ?
About 1.65-1.70v (depends on cooling and your core...)
HeavyH20
10-25-2005, 10:49 AM
600 core with a delta? Or, no delta? I can get 588 with stock volts (root plus delta). Just wondering what the card did before the volt mod. Once I know what the second card is capable off, I am going to VMod both.
Ubermann
10-25-2005, 10:50 AM
:explode2: Guess RAM is the important thing on this card then..
J-Mag
10-25-2005, 10:53 AM
I am guessing you will see more 256mb GTX on FS forums here in the upcoming weeks. (mine will be up there if the release MSRP isn't too high).
Ubermann
10-25-2005, 11:01 AM
A little offtopic..
PCI Express® Integrators List is that only related to GPU and not PCB ?
I mean can you change PCB without it has to go thru PCI SIG ?
Vapor
10-25-2005, 11:02 AM
As will mine....
I'm just gonna wait for comparisions of this vs. X1800XT
aldamon
10-25-2005, 11:28 AM
Nice, hope this pushes down the price of the GT even further :p:
I predict this card will have no impact on GT prices at all. It's just going to be more expensive than the 256MB GTX.
I predict this card will have no impact on GT prices at all. It's just going to be more expensive than the 256MB GTX.
That could very well be true,..we know that the GTX won't drop in price before christmas, the GT could drop alittle but don't expect anything big....the faster GTX could very well be between 520-550....we will have to see about that....my guess is that they will price it for slightly less then the X1800XT.... :)
DilTech
10-25-2005, 12:45 PM
Knowing NVidia, and how much bashing ATi have seen over their higher prices, NVidia would be stupid not to undercut ATi's prices. I'm sure they probably can do it too.
jetjaguar
10-25-2005, 01:34 PM
i really hope this is true .. my card will definitely be up for sale as long as the price isnt really high
Knowing NVidia, and how much bashing ATi have seen over their higher prices, NVidia would be stupid not to undercut ATi's prices. I'm sure they probably can do it too.
They made rediculous money on just about anything....they can, and they probably will :)
J-Mag
10-25-2005, 01:36 PM
Knowing NVidia, and how much bashing ATi have seen over their higher prices, NVidia would be stupid not to undercut ATi's prices. I'm sure they probably can do it too.
Nvidia is only one part of the total pricing an end user pays anyway. I could see a situation arise where the MSRP of the 512mb GTX is higher, but due to supply and demand the street price of the 512mb GTX could very well be lower than the street price of the XT.
Nvidia is only one part of the total pricing an end user pays anyway. I could see a situation arise where the MSRP of the 512mb GTX is higher, but due to supply and demand the street price of the 512mb GTX could very well be lower than the street price of the XT.
or the other way around, ah we will see...not too long now :)
DilTech
10-25-2005, 02:24 PM
Tim, I told you the GFX war would be very interesting this round... Makes me wonder just how much "1-upping" is going to happen before next gen!
HeavyH20
10-25-2005, 06:07 PM
:explode2: Guess RAM is the important thing on this card then..
Yes, the RAM does make a difference. Just from 1200 to 1440 yields 500 points on 3DMark05. Get that up around 1600 or so, and that would be close to a 1000 point gain, assuming linear growth. Imagine what 512 GDDR3 1.2 ns could do?
Shadowmage
10-25-2005, 08:59 PM
Keep in mind Gibbo also stated that 7800GTX would do 22000 in 3dmark05 (yes, that's 22,000!) in an SLI *STOCK* configuration, so lets take his ATI bashing into stride here ;)
DilTech
10-25-2005, 09:04 PM
Why would Gibbo lie and make less people buy x1800xt's from him when the money goes in his pocket?... That just wouldn't make sense from a business point of view, now would it?
Shadowmage
10-25-2005, 09:29 PM
Then why did he say that 7800GTX would get 22000 in 3dmark05, days before release?
Some people would then wait for the 7800GTX, but then see his benchmarks of the 7800GTX and realized that Gibbo lied, thus depriving him of sales. Plus, their hopes would be too high and they would have been disappointed, thus also depriving him of sales.
Gibbo is pro-NVIDIA, face it.
nn_step
10-25-2005, 09:52 PM
SO it isn't the New Ultra.. ok.. but that doesn't make me want to buy it....
metro.cl
10-25-2005, 11:03 PM
22000 is imposible on current 7800gtx and i doubt that this 256mb more per card could make such a bug diference, maybe a ultra at stock could do these
Then why did he say that 7800GTX would get 22000 in 3dmark05, days before release?
Some people would then wait for the 7800GTX, but then see his benchmarks of the 7800GTX and realized that Gibbo lied, thus depriving him of sales. Plus, their hopes would be too high and they would have been disappointed, thus also depriving him of sales.
Gibbo is pro-NVIDIA, face it.
Seriously...who gives a damn if Gibbo is pro nVidia? ATI messed up, wether it's bad luck or not. There will be a faster GTX...which will probably be faster then the XT, cheaper and available from day 1. :hammer:
Shadowmage
10-26-2005, 12:17 AM
Therefore, if Gibbo says the next NVIDIA product owns ATI, dont' believe him so fast. This is a common sense conclusion that one can easily make when realizing Gibbo is pro-NVIDIA.
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Also metro, that's exactly why it's safe to question his credibility, since it was just a few days before release :lol:
madpete
10-26-2005, 12:59 AM
Therefore, if Gibbo says the next NVIDIA product owns ATI, dont' believe him so fast. This is a common sense conclusion that one can easily make when realizing Gibbo is pro-NVIDIA.
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Also metro, that's exactly why it's safe to question his credibility, since it was just a few days before release :lol:
It is true (in my own experience) that OCUK have a tendancy to talk out of their own butt, its common for them to make statements about products that are not true. For example they often claim to be the "only place in the uk to sell this product", its "exclusive to OCUK - preorder now!" etc when most of the time its plainly not true and their customers are left suffering.
I'm gonna wait and see what happens, whichever company (ATI / Nv) has the best cards gets my cash.
Ubermann
10-26-2005, 03:07 AM
My guess is card running 525/1300 with 512 GDD3.
INQ has the news also Source (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27225)
maverik-sg1
10-26-2005, 04:08 AM
My bad --> Varying definitions of speedbump I'm afraid. IMO for it to qualify as an ultra, we talking 550 Core/ 1.4ghz ram or something.
Perkam
Personally I am hoping that this 'rumour' is true:
The G71 has been re-instated it will be a 90nm 7800, will probably be called the ultra and will use the same RAM as used on the X1800XT. It's likely that cores clocks will start at 550Mhz with 1500Mhz RAM :banana:
I am a true believer in that ATI has a great memory controller and uses the highest quality RAM to achieve it's stellar performance.
I also believe that a 24pipe Nvidia card IS held back by the memory bandwidth - introducing 1500Mhz DDR3 ram will prove this point (even on current stock units), although it's true to say that the memory controller is not as good as ATI's - it's still good and with the better RAM the true potential of this core should be realised.
I think it's also fair to recognise that 512MB of video ram is required to make all the Eye Candy work better at higher resolutions and the bandwidth now available makes sure it all runs smooth as a babies backside.
Mav
Cybercat
10-26-2005, 04:31 AM
The INQ is saying there may not be a clockspeed bump. That would be somewhat disappointing but not unreasonable, looking at how the 512MB X800XL, 6800 Ultra, etc weren't either.
jetjaguar
10-26-2005, 01:39 PM
hmmm that sucks .. 1300mhz on the ram .. so it only gets a core bump to 525 ? and the ram gets nothing ? i would at least hope for maybe 1400 at least
so wait .. besides releasing this card .. then q1 06 they are releasing an ultra which will be a 90nm core ?
maybe ill just get 2x of the 512mb gtx's then upgrade again when they release the g80
Ubermann
10-26-2005, 02:29 PM
525/1300 is just my guess and has nothing to do with what it will be.
The INQ is saying there may not be a clockspeed bump. That would be somewhat disappointing but not unreasonable, looking at how the 512MB X800XL, 6800 Ultra, etc weren't either.
lol wouldn't be much of an Ultra then would it? he is just covering his ass because nvidia pulled a good one on him....Ultra cancelled...lol yea right :D
It's gonna be faster, because nVidia just said it will be an Ultra...It's not just gonna be an extra 256mb vram.
Ubermann
10-26-2005, 02:44 PM
Where does Nvidia say THIS will be the Ultra card ?
Of all info i find on internet this is an 512meg GTX card that might have higher clocks.
DilTech
10-26-2005, 03:02 PM
Well...NVidia "Officially" said the following two statements..
1.) There will be a 512mb 7800gtx... In december!
2.) We will see a 7800Ultra, soon.
Now, November 7th is not december, but november 7th is soon... Make of that what you will.
jetjaguar
10-26-2005, 03:14 PM
hmm that sucks .. so if the nov 7th thing is true .. which who knows ..
then that could mean the ultra will be like jan-feb ? thats kinda guy .. why buy the 512 one when the ultra is less then 2 months away ?
Ubermann
10-26-2005, 03:41 PM
"We will see a 7800Ultra, soon" is not officially as it was only found as a short notice on a site.
DilTech
10-26-2005, 04:18 PM
NVidia made that statement at their meeting ubermann...it is official.
jetjaguar
10-26-2005, 04:22 PM
soon as in the end of the year or beginning of next ?
jetjaguar
10-26-2005, 09:33 PM
do u guys think that its worth ditching the 256 gtx to get the 512 one .. or is it better to just keep the gtx i have now .. buy another one for sli .. adn then upgrade to the g80 when it gets released next summer or something ?? i just wanna get my system finished lol .. all i need is the dfi expert if it ever comes out ..
will the performance be THAT much better then two 256 ones ??
nn_step
10-26-2005, 09:36 PM
the Question is are the 300 extra points worth the extra $100?
For me Right now, No but maybe when the G80s come out...
jetjaguar
10-26-2005, 09:48 PM
300 extra points in sli or single ? in 3dmark 05 ??
im not a benchmark junkie .. ill just run it a few times to see how my system runs and for stability looping ..
so i mean will the 512mb make a huge difference in gaming .. that is where im concerned .. as i play everything will all the eye candy up @ 1920x1200
so .. right now fear killed my single gtx .. but in sli it should be fine ?
HKPolice
10-26-2005, 10:04 PM
1) Don't expect 90nm G71 or whatever to show up anytime soon. G70 just came out not so long ago and the yields are amazing. There is no real compeition from ATi, there is no reason (from a business perspective) to release a 90nm card. They're probably still working out the process shrink - no point in following ATi's mistake of multiple re-tapings of the R520, costing millions.
2) 512MB GTX is just to fulfill the 512MB 'checkbox' on a list of features.
3) Compare the 6800GT and 6800Ultra - there is barely any difference in overclocking potential @ stock vGPU. The only thing better about the Ultra is it's ability to go over 1.5vGPU due to extra mosfets. There are no missing mosfets on the 7800GTX PCB, therefore any 7800Ultra would just be 512MB, and possibly higher spec GPU speed of 459Mhz vs 430Mhz. Which doesn't really matter anyways since most manufacturers already OC their cards to 459Mhz.
4) These high end cards make up a very small percentage of overall sales. Most of the profits come from mainstream cards - that's where the REAL battle is. Sure, we might not care much about 6600 vs X1300 or whatever, but ATi and nVidia DOES. It's where the bread and butter are. I'm surprised by how much R&D they've put into it as it is, but it's obvious that we are reaching a point of dimishing returns.
nn_step
10-26-2005, 10:06 PM
300 extra points in sli or single ? in 3dmark 05 ??
im not a benchmark junkie .. ill just run it a few times to see how my system runs and for stability looping ..
so i mean will the 512mb make a huge difference in gaming .. that is where im concerned .. as i play everything will all the eye candy up @ 1920x1200
so .. right now fear killed my single gtx .. but in sli it should be fine ?
As of the next 3-6 months There is not a single game that makes FULL usage of 512 Ram..
and You wont see a much of a boost in Games..
jetjaguar
10-26-2005, 10:08 PM
so you dont think the extra ram is gonna make a big difference ?
i mean viper john mods his gtx's with vmods and stuff and gets like 600core and like 1450-1500 mem ive seen ..
but the extra video memory make be good when paired in sli playing games at high resolutions
nn_step
10-26-2005, 10:10 PM
If you feel the extra $100 is worth it, Go for it..
But I don't feel that it is quite worth it..
Hell it would only boost my WZ21 Score by up by no more than 3Fps...
jetjaguar
10-26-2005, 10:26 PM
then maybe ill just get another 256 one
JuanFlaiter
10-26-2005, 11:24 PM
Oh!
You´ve got mail!
Nvidia will launch something soon, don´t know what, but they will (besides GTX 512)
jetjaguar
10-26-2005, 11:28 PM
Oh!
You´ve got mail!
Nvidia will launch something soon, don´t know what, but they will (besides GTX 512)
:confused:
Oh!
You´ve got mail!
Nvidia will launch something soon, don´t know what, but they will (besides GTX 512)
lol what was that?! :p:
slider99
10-27-2005, 01:49 AM
"Don't know" as in "on NDA"? :D
jetjaguar > Why would you want 7800GTX SLI? For some nice eyecandy of course (namely 8AA Super Sampling Transparency and Gamma Correction + 16AF) and that's eating memory. Moreover, Q4 DOES need 512MB for Ultra (I see huge performance drops on my 7800GTX SLI in certain areas when using Ultra quality over High quality... this is with 4AA + 16AF too of course), not sure about games such as F.E.A.R, but I'm confident with some eye-candy on 512MB will make quite the difference, and now we haven't begun talking about yet-to-be-released hardware.
Ubermann
10-27-2005, 04:16 AM
6800GS ? hmm i hate NDA =(
"And on the 8th day, satan created "NDA" and he saw that it was good"
jetjaguar
10-27-2005, 07:33 AM
hmm i play 1920x1200 @ ultra with 4xaa and 16x .. and get like 40-50fps in q4 ... fear is the only game where i cant run max everything
JuanFlaiter
10-27-2005, 12:22 PM
lol what was that?! :p:
/me drunk yesterday :wasntme:
Sorry guys :p
slider99
10-27-2005, 01:24 PM
hmm i play 1920x1200 @ ultra with 4xaa and 16x .. and get like 40-50fps in q4 ... fear is the only game where i cant run max everythingI assume you've finished the game and never had a low below 40-50? I had lows down around ~20-30 fps at 1280x1024 max everything (transparency supersampling aa + highest quality in drivers + gamma correction I hope you're running) in a bigger outdoor area with lots of different textures and effects at the same time. And btw, 40 fps is quite notable imo... just me tho. Btw, I think you have to turn on vsync to get a true image, the stuttering was quite noticable when it was loading and offloading textures and loading things in new areas... no I didn't like running @ 8xAA + Ultra very much (although 8xaa should be the same as 4xaa in OGL, right?).
J-Mag
10-27-2005, 01:32 PM
/me drunk yesterday :wasntme:
Sorry guys :p
Drinking with the green men, then?
Hicks
10-27-2005, 02:47 PM
LOL. Gibbo? You mean the clueless, brainwashed ,OCUK employee? :rolleyes:
perkam
10-27-2005, 04:13 PM
/me drunk yesterday
Sorry guys :p lol...it seems the xs news section has that radiating glow to non-sober members when they sign on :p:
Perkam
LOL. Gibbo? You mean the clueless, brainwashed ,OCUK employee? :rolleyes:
lol, I don't think that has got anything to do with it.....I didn't read the it will be faster, I read the : There's gonna be a new card at the 7th.... :)
It BETTER!!!! be faster otherwise I'm gonna get an X1800XT :slapass: :D
Ubermann
10-31-2005, 03:13 AM
Can someone translate this:
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=497984
Its says something about 1.1ns ram (1800mhz) K4J52324QC-BJ11
Can someone translate this:
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=497984
Its says something about 1.1ns ram (1800mhz) K4J52324QC-BJ11
If that is true....it's insane!!! overclocked that could get near to 2ghz!! :eek: :eek:
Starscream
10-31-2005, 06:34 AM
but if 1.1Ns ram is available why didnt ATI use it?
or isnt it available in large quantaties
that large Quadro cooler looks sexy
Vapor
10-31-2005, 06:47 AM
1) ATi didn't want to spend the extra cost on something that wasn't necessary in their opinion (diminishing returns on performance).
2) 1.26ns RAM has already been OCed to 2GHz and will likely continue to be, considering how well 1.6ns has done recently on GTXs with lots of added voltage (getting cozy with 1800MHz).
Seems to be this memory :
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/
If you assume for a second that the overclock points are the same, we could be looking at a 500, 530 or 560Mhz Core....interesting :D
(17 x 27) - 40 = 419
(18 x 27) - 40 = 446
(19 x 27) - 40 = 473
(20 x 27) - 40 = 500
(21 x 27) - 40 = 527
(22 x 27) - 40 = 554
(23 x 27) - 40 = 581
What is also interesting...is that if that attached pic is from the "Ultra" then the first pics by VR-Zone are indeed of that card (which everyone said it was the Quadro, because it had that connector thingy) but if you look closely it has got the same black connector top left corner....so that could mean that the VR-Zone pics could be infact true
perkam
10-31-2005, 07:10 AM
In my search to prove that 1.1ns ram did not exist yet, I went over to Samsung's website to find this:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/299/samsung11ns2zn.jpg
Apparently, it exists, and is in mass production. More Info here: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/GraphicsMemory/GDDR3SDRAM/512Mbit/K4J52324QC/K4J52324QC.htm .
We'll see this memory competition continue with GDDR4 (2.5ghz+) coming to X1800/7800 next year.
Perkam
Cybercat
10-31-2005, 07:11 AM
If that is true....it's insane!!! overclocked that could get near to 2ghz!! :eek: :eek:
We're already near 2GHz.
Ubermann
10-31-2005, 07:21 AM
Forget the pic, its from Leaktek site and is a regular GTX 256meg called extreme.
Forget the pic, its from Leaktek site and is a regular GTX 256meg called extreme.
but It has a Quadro Connector in the top left corner...and that is not (IIRC) on the GTX.... :)
Pic attached is from a Leadtek Xtreme 256meg. Note the Missing connector which is present on the pic from HKEPC V
We're already near 2GHz.
I know...but not stable..1.1ns memory could get 2Ghz stable in 3d :D
:)
Ubermann
10-31-2005, 07:43 AM
http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/3d_graphic/overview.asp?lineid=1&pronameid=219
WinFast PX7800 GTX TDH MyVIVO Extreme 490/1250MHz
Pic has the connector in corner, hkepc has same picture so picture at hkepc has nothing to do with the "news"
The funny part is that they put their name at the bottom of the pic.
Can anyone explain whats written at HKEPC ?
It can be anything..
http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/3d_graphic/overview.asp?lineid=1&pronameid=219
WinFast PX7800 GTX TDH MyVIVO Extreme 490/1250MHz
Pic has the connector in corner.
Can anyone explain whats written at HKEPC ?
It can be anything..
lol....that's interesting :D
I wonder why some have them and some don't...Quadro boards or something? :confused: :D
This sounds better and better
Ubermann
10-31-2005, 07:56 AM
Agree, it sounds better and better but in the end it can all be false.
Agree, it sounds better and better but in the end it can all be false.
yea, I never get my hopes up too high...but it's interesting nonetheless :p:
(especially because I waited since June for a new card...the GTX wasn't worth it for me)
Edit: I was just thinking.....will the G70 architecture benefit from higher memory clocks? That is gonna be interesting...ATI said not..but I want to see it with my own eyes ofcourse)
Another thing (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that the GTX voltage circuitry is drooping right? So you actually have to Vmod the card to get over a certain point?
If the "Ultra" has improved that (along with increase in vGPU), that could mean that you can overclock it over 600Mhz easily, and with Vmods extremely high...cool :toast:
Ubermann
10-31-2005, 09:12 AM
Google translates it to this:
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(With some help from EB forum)
Other news from same site that mention this card:
"Except not □ the Miao □gddr4 news, Samsung also proclaims □ the mute brook 哌 _1.8gHz speed GDDR3□w the grain of already official junction □□, the foreword □□□ék4j52324qc-BJ11, is □F□r the quickest GDDR3□w grain, the news refers nVidia Geforce 7800GTX the 512MB edition is very big □C□□ must use □@□w□| west, moreover □r□ } is high □_1.7gHz or above. "
Another link showing same cooler:
http://www.hartware.de/showpic.php?type=news&id=38838&nr=1&path=/media/news/38000/38838_1b.jpg
Hm...if it truly has 1.1ns my dollars are gone the day it hits the shelve :D
Those pics that you linked to are originally from VR-Zone...but everyone said it was the Quadro...seems to me it is the card we are expecting :)
Looks like it will be 530Mhz then? (if it's 100Mhz over 430) :)
Mehmet_Ali
10-31-2005, 10:30 AM
an answer for X1800, thou
RaZz!
10-31-2005, 11:51 AM
1.1ns memory and a gpu-core-increase - more than i've expected. very nice so far :)
looking forward to some benchmarks of it =D
DilTech
10-31-2005, 11:52 AM
Looks like the x1800xt will be beat at it's point of arrival, just as I predicted.
Now, the question comes, will NVidia play it smart and match the x1800xt price like they should, or will they go higher. If they match the price, ATi will be in quite a bind, as only a fanboy would buy a lesser card for the same price!
Looks like the x1800xt will be beat at it's point of arrival, just as I predicted.
Now, the question comes, will NVidia play it smart and match the x1800xt price like they should, or will they go higher. If they match the price, ATi will be in quite a bind, as only a fanboy would buy a lesser card for the same price!
Well, they most likely will...they made alot of money with GTX (and got rid of memory stock :D) and with the GT....so they can.
Third Hardlaunch anyone?
If these specs are true...I'm gettting one...and watercool it with some nice OCZ ramsinks on it and a Vantec Spectrum fan card :D :D
Can you say powerrrrr? :D
DilTech
10-31-2005, 12:38 PM
Tim, I'll be doing the same thing...
I know I said I wouldn't buy a new card til the SM4 cards come out, but 1.1ns ram and 530 core would go VERYYY nicely with my 2.8 ghz SD. My 6800gt currently handles everything I throw at it, but considering I've been working 12 hours a day 6 days a week minimum, I deserve a very nice christmas present.
I just won't be buying it the day of release, I'll see if the market settles as fast as it did for the 7800gtx 256.
Did you see those new Oblivion movies...? Damn you need a fast card for that :eek:
Fits in nicely....btw my dad is gonna get one in Sim Lim Square...all the shops there are totally dressed up nVidia style (check out VR-Zone :p: )
onethreehill
10-31-2005, 04:25 PM
Google translates it to this:
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nVidia□□ however unwillingly shows weakness, □□□□ promotes 512MB edition Geforce 7800GTX□□□ 穑 □□@ piece Geforce 7800GTX 512MB□K must only has □ the Wei □ promotion □□□□ów capacity, but is changes to Samsung newest -1.1ns GDDR3□□□□ów, □w the grain □ék4j52324qc-BJ11, its is highest □r□ } may □_1800MHz, compares ATi Radeon X1800XT□□ wants to be high □□, but estimates □□nVidia □□ □A□□□□□□ów□r□ } □O does not set □w the grain of □□ standard □□□□, the core □r□ } also rises □s100MHz above, but the potency □ ⒊ □ jumps over ATi Radeon X1800XT, □A□□□ (8) □11 month middle ten days promotes, makes the one anticipate. "
(With some help from EB forum)
Other news from same site that mention this card:
"Except not □ the Miao □gddr4 news, Samsung also proclaims □ the mute brook 哌 _1.8gHz speed GDDR3□w the grain of already official junction □□, the foreword □□□ék4j52324qc-BJ11, is □F□r the quickest GDDR3□w grain, the news refers nVidia Geforce 7800GTX the 512MB edition is very big □C□□ must use □@□w□| west, moreover □r□ } is high □_1.7gHz or above. "
Another link showing same cooler:
http://www.hartware.de/showpic.php?type=news&id=38838&nr=1&path=/media/news/38000/38838_1b.jpg
HKepc is using traditional chinese :)
Now the single sheet potency highest indicator throne, is ATi Radeon X1800XT is has, although the R520 core specification and is inferior to the outside hearsay outstanding, only some 16 Pixel Shader assembly line and 8 Verterx Shader engine, when makes its may operate to the 650MHz core the arteries by reason of the 90nm system regulation superiority, again coordinates newest Samsung -1.25ns the GDDR3 pellet, when the memory body the arteries also reach 1.5GHz, successfully crushes has 24 Pixel the Shader assembly line prompt arteries only to have 430MHz Engine/1.2GHz Memory nVidia Geforce 7800GTX.
NVidia certainly unwillingly shows weakness, the plan promotes 512MB edition Geforce 7800GTX to accept a challenge, this piece of Geforce 7800GTX 512MB only has the pure promotion memory body capacity by no means, but is changes to Samsung newest -1.1ns the GDDR3 memory body, the pellet is K4J52324QC-BJ11, its most Gao Shihmai may reach 1800MHz, compares ATi Radeon X1800XT also to have to be high-level, but estimated nVidia cannot the estimate memory body when arteries establishment pellet specification edge, when core the arteries also rise approximately above 100MHz, but the potency will surmount ATi Radeon X1800XT, estimated will promote in mid-November, makes one anticipate.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=497984
Starscream
10-31-2005, 04:39 PM
@ Tim
a few months back you could download a beta of the engine used for oblivion.
init you could walk around in a grass field with a few trees.
it ran smooth on my 9800Pro@XT, i didnt have the settings high but i think oblivion wil run smooth and look sweet as hell with a 7800gt orso
Ubermann
11-01-2005, 06:06 AM
7800GTX 512 MB clocked at 550/1800 MHz
But will Nvidia upset all of its Geforce 7800 GTX 256 MB supporters? You can bet it will but Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB card sounds too good to be true. µ
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27368
ettis
11-01-2005, 08:05 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27368
that's sick!! Hopefully the price will be below or atleast equal that of 1800XT 512!
that's sick!! Hopefully the price will be below or atleast equal that of 1800XT 512!
I think I just wet myself :D :eek:
onewingedangel
11-01-2005, 09:58 AM
that seems a lot faster than I was expecting - so until its official i'll take it with a pinch of salt. It seems stupid to call it a 7800gtx when it is so much faster than the current 256MB models. If these clocks are true then surely 7900 would be the obvious naming scheme, or at least 7850. The cost of these things with such fast memory will probably be more than the x1800xt, but performance should also be greater. Could see Ati raising the reference clocks to try and offer more competition (they already use ram rated for 1.6ghz, and the xt cores seem to be quite nice clockers) or at least we'll be seeing pre-overclocked cards to match up - we may even see the faster ram used on ati cards as this is obviously a board partners decision. With such high reference clocks a 512mb 7800gtx would most definately be uber expensive, so I have to say I find it hard to believe - not that we wont see such cards - but that those would be the reference speeds.
DilTech
11-01-2005, 10:06 AM
If those are reference, imagine what the EVGA KO edition speeds will be...
Better yet, the gainward "golden sample" cards.
Vapor
11-01-2005, 10:07 AM
...way early speculation...
I wonder if we'll see pre-OC'd nV512s @ 600/2000? That'd be pretty kickass.
EDIT: DilTech and I seem to be on the same page :p:
Ubermann
11-01-2005, 11:14 AM
I think people here can answer if above 550mhz with that cooler is possible ?
Its supposed to work in Africa one hot day also =)
And i dont think anyone will sell cards clocked beyond specs (ram).
jetjaguar
11-01-2005, 12:22 PM
I think people here can answer if above 550mhz with that cooler is possible ?
Its supposed to work in Africa one hot day also =)
And i dont think anyone will sell cards clocked beyond specs (ram).
a 600/2000 would definitely be nice
DilTech
11-01-2005, 12:43 PM
I think people here can answer if above 550mhz with that cooler is possible ?
Its supposed to work in Africa one hot day also =)
And i dont think anyone will sell cards clocked beyond specs (ram).
The PCB was the current limiting factor with the G70, from what I'm told(I don't own one to check) there was voltage drooping with the 7800gtx. If they fixed it, it *should* hit 550 without much worry or issue.
Also, manufacturers went over the ram specs with the GTX, considering some sold it at 1300 on the ram, which isn't the ram rated for 1200/1250?
Stuperman
11-01-2005, 12:46 PM
I wonder if ATI will release another "phanton edition" @700/1800 or something to fight this.
GoldenTiger
11-01-2005, 12:51 PM
(wipes puddle of drool from floor)
I'm very glad about now that I bought an eVGA 7800GT instead of something else. If this comes out at $500-600, I am DEFINITELY using the step-up program to upgrade. I paid about $400 for my 7800GT and this should crush it :).
Shadowmage
11-01-2005, 01:07 PM
HKEPC has pulled the article. It's still visible on the front page, but clicking on it results in a "page not found" error.
I wonder what this means, I've never seen HKEPC pull an article before.
DilTech
11-01-2005, 01:43 PM
Maybe they're updating the page, possibly to include the info found on the inq.
Cybercat
11-01-2005, 01:52 PM
I really like how NVIDIA did things this year. Instead of waiting til close to the end of the year for high-spec memory to be available, or worrying about their chips hitting high clockspeeds, they released it early in the summer at moderate clockspeeds, breaking records for availability and not making anyone have to wait.
perkam
11-01-2005, 02:52 PM
1.1ns ram wont be as cheap as everyone thinks, seeing as 1.2ns ram has been out for quite a bit. Surprising move from a company that has stayed away from making pioneering hardware changes and previously only used tried-and-tested technology on its product line-up.
At the very least, its shows that Nvidia isn't as comfortable with the currentGTX/XT matchup. Looking to see this faster ram become the norm...but dont make a mistake about it, both companies still have to lose their stockpile of 1.6ns ram ;)
Perkam
J-Mag
11-01-2005, 03:18 PM
Looking to see this faster ram become the norm...but dont make a mistake about it, both companies still have to lose their stockpile of 1.6ns ram ;)
I am sure this is not going to be a problem as the 1.1 stuff will only go on a relatively small number of the high end boards. The 1.6ns stock will be used on midstream, and therefore higher volume, products.
DilTech
11-01-2005, 03:30 PM
1.1ns ram wont be as cheap as everyone thinks, seeing as 1.2ns ram has been out for quite a bit. Surprising move from a company that has stayed away from making pioneering hardware changes and previously only used tried-and-tested technology on its product line-up.
At the very least, its shows that Nvidia isn't as comfortable with the currentGTX/XT matchup. Looking to see this faster ram become the norm...but dont make a mistake about it, both companies still have to lose their stockpile of 1.6ns ram ;)
Perkam
NVidia are using their stockpile of 1.6ns ram, the GTX is that outlet, as well as the upcoming 6800GS IIRC. They likely have most of it tied up already in those 2 cards by now.
[XC] leviathan18
11-01-2005, 03:50 PM
i hope they bring down a little bit more the price of the 7800gtx so i can buy one this christmas
Cybercat
11-01-2005, 03:51 PM
NVidia are using their stockpile of 1.6ns ram, the GTX is that outlet, as well as the upcoming 6800GS IIRC. They likely have most of it tied up already in those 2 cards by now.
the 6800GS uses 2ns I believe. NVIDIA has (or had) a bigger problem using up the stockpile of that, because they ordered SOOO much of it, or at least their vendors did.
first of all the 6800GT is still a big money maker
so is the 6600GT
then there's the 7800GT
and now the 6800GS
All use 2ns memory. It's probably the biggest volume production memory Samsung makes right now, for graphics cards. NVIDIA looks like they're really trying to deplete that.
Heck, so is ATI. Cards that use that memory on their side include:
x800gt
x800gto
x800xl
X850XT
X850 Pro
X1800XL (I think....it's clocked at 1GHz memory, so...)
2ns seems to be running rampant on both sides.
Der_KHAN
11-01-2005, 07:53 PM
i hope they bring down a little bit more the price of the 7800gtx so i can buy one this christmaswant mine? :D
damn i was so shocked when i read that inq article! my first thought was like "i need money!!!"
HeavyH20
11-01-2005, 08:24 PM
Available GDDR3 from Samsung and the cards that use it.
K4J52324QC-BJ11 900MHz 1.8Gbps/pin - new GTX spec?
K4J52324QC-BJ12 800MHz 1.6Gbps/pin - x1800 XT, and now GTX?
K4J52324QC-BC14 700MHz 1.4Gbps/pin - x1800XL
K4J52324QC-BC16 600MHz 1.2Gbps/pin - 7800 GTX
K4J52324QC-BC20 500MHz 1.0Gbps/pin - 7800 GT
brandinb
11-01-2005, 08:26 PM
so who will get two of these cards in sli with a good clocking fx to destroy all the 3dmark records first????
im gonna evga step up to play oblivion the end of the month with this card if the specs are true!!!!!!!
DilTech
11-01-2005, 08:48 PM
Oblivion got delayed to 2Q06.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news_6136973.html
brandinb
11-01-2005, 10:46 PM
Oblivion got delayed to 2Q06.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news_6136973.html
omg noooo!!!!!!! :mad:
you have ruined my day with this news :(
I have seen the specs and MSRP for the upcoming 7800GTX. My advice to all of you considering a high end video card purchase in the very near future: wait.
In a very short time, you will be as amazed as I was, with cost and specification. Better than I would have even hoped for.
I cannot answer any specific questions, as much as I'd love to spread the good tidings, because this info is under NDA currently.
My guess is this will be the only card you even consider.
This is what Rollo from Anandtech says about it..... *weep :D
ettis
11-02-2005, 04:29 AM
Haha... Ati is officially PwNeD
perkam
11-02-2005, 04:33 AM
Ati is officially PwNeD ATI has a PR machine just as capable as Nvidias...expect an announcement for a GDDR4 capable XT coming early 06 with 0.8ns ram.
However, ALL that is needed for ATI to finally come up to the plate is to start mass producing the R5xx. I really dont see why that's such an obstacle.
Perkam
Der_KHAN
11-02-2005, 04:37 AM
ok, but seriously. i cant imagine samsung to be able to ship 1.1ns memory in decent quantities.
and if fudo admits that they have no facts about the mem clocks of the new gtx than its more likely that its gonna get 1.2ns mem
...which would still wipe the floor with the x1800xt though
:2cents:
However, ALL that is needed for ATI to finally come up to the plate is to start mass producing the R5xx. I really dont see why that's such an obstacle.maybe tsmc doesnt have the capacities to produce sufficient quantities of atis desktop chips and r500s for the xbox2 at the same time.
Ubermann
11-02-2005, 04:43 AM
Rollo is not under NDA so i think he should speak.
Rollo is not under NDA so i think he should speak.
He says he is..... ;)
Ubermann
11-02-2005, 05:13 AM
He got the info from a friend, so hes not =)
But i understand if he dont want to leak it.
iboomalot
11-02-2005, 06:11 AM
what is the word on in store release date??? price???
I was looking at getting a X800XT this week but a 550 mhz/1800 GTX sounds tempting.
I stopped using Nvidia when the 9700pro came out but this card with 24+ pipes sounds like a winner.
what is the word on in store release date??? price???
I was looking at getting a X800XT this week but a 550 mhz/1800 GTX sounds tempting.
I stopped using Nvidia when the 9700pro came out but this card with 24+ pipes sounds like a winner.
Afaik 7th November in stores, price probably (or hopefully) less then $550 MSRP...judging from Rollo's post...I think there gonna bring it on the market for $499...if they can do that..*whoa :eek: :)
nCrusader
11-02-2005, 06:48 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27400
Afaik 7th November in stores, price probably (or hopefully) less then $550 MSRP...judging from Rollo's post...I think there gonna bring it on the market for $499...if they can do that..*whoa :eek: :)
On one hand, I can see that Nvidia wants to be at the top of the heap...since no one wants second best.
But...
Isn't this going to really make some 7800 GTX buyers MAD???
If this card truly drops at $499...I know I would be insane if I bought a GTX in the last couple of months...but I didn't, so I'll buy this one.
iboomalot
11-02-2005, 07:10 AM
that will be a no brainer at $499 or $550
compusa wants $599.00 $50.00 over MSRP but I can get $279.00 trade-in value on my X800XL backup card.
I think I can get 230.00 out of the X800XL on ebay or here then get the GTX online and save the 50.00 in taxes vs buying it from Compusa.
would still like to try a X800XT but for 599.00 doesn't seem worth it.
Any ideas on water if the new GTX should clock over 600-650 core??
Starscream
11-02-2005, 07:44 AM
On one hand, I can see that Nvidia wants to be at the top of the heap...since no one wants second best.
But...
Isn't this going to really make some 7800 GTX buyers MAD???
If this card truly drops at $499...I know I would be insane if I bought a GTX in the last couple of months...but I didn't, so I'll buy this one.
why would people that bought a GTX in the past few months b mad?
its not like they threatened the buyers: buy it or the bunny gets it.
there wil always b a newer better card coming.
iboomalot
11-02-2005, 07:57 AM
why would people that bought a GTX in the past few months b mad?
its not like they threatened the buyers: buy it or the bunny gets it.
there wil always b a newer better card coming.
thats true even the 625 mhz X800XT is rummored to be replaced in a few months with a 700 mhz core version.
any thoughts if this 550 mhz core GTX will clock higher or is it tapped out?
why would people that bought a GTX in the past few months b mad?
its not like they threatened the buyers: buy it or the bunny gets it.
there wil always b a newer better card coming.
That isn't the point I am making.
Nvidia cancelled the 7800 GTX Ultra. There had to be some people holding out on a 7800 GTX for a 7800 GTX Ultra.
So, Nvidia announces that they will not make the Ultra, which made the 7800 GTX the fastest cards buyers THOUGHT they could buy.
Then, they announce the 512mb version without the Ultra tag, which made them appear honest, but in fact, this would appear to be a load of BS for people who thought they had the best card in this generation.
Sneil
11-02-2005, 08:57 AM
ah well, let them suck it up. their cards won't get any slower then they are now. lose the epinis and be happy we get another large leap so soon!
perkam
11-02-2005, 09:23 AM
I'm predicting cheaper 512MB versions with 1.6ns ram too...makes sense. The marketing will be the same for either 512MB, only prices will be different.
I seriously dont see need by Nvidia to kill ATI this fast, nor do i see the need for it to get scared here. A 550/1800 card will cost quite a bit to put together in quantities, and an oced regular gtx can equal that in performance with not much effort...
Anyone have an opinion on this?
Oh yea and i found out the name for companies selling two of these as a bundle...it'll be called
"Buy Two of the Fastest Cards in SLI FOR UNBEATABLE PERFORMANCE !!!
Buy the UBER BOTTENECKER BUNDLE AND SAVE !!!!!" :p:
Perkam
DilTech
11-02-2005, 09:40 AM
First, NVidia are going for the kill this round, because they are probably afraid of next round, as they should be. Next gen ATi pull out the R600, so NVidia want to try and stop ATi dead in their tracks this round while they can. Considering the R600 has been worked on longer than ANY gpu in history, NVidia are going to need to try and take away all the ATi partners they can right here and now... Hence, dropping this monster! Keep in mind how low ATi's stocks have been, now think how much lower they'll drop when they get slapped around THIS bad! We're talking about a HUGE difference here!
Also Perkam, they'll be using a different pcb obviously, so they'll probably fix the voltage drooping the current GTX has. With that voltage drooping out of the way 550 is childsplay for these cores. The ram will probably be a bit more expensive though. Of course, NVidia already made a killing off their 7800gtx's, so they won't be so hardpressed to tax an arm and a leg with this card as they made plenty off the last one, so they *could* EASILY match ATi's price, if not beat it cold!
NVidia's pimp hand is strong this round.
Starscream
11-02-2005, 09:43 AM
ìndeed ul need a kick ass CPU and a high res for them in SLI.
maybe theyl launch a 512MB GT with also raised clocks
I think it's actually pretty interesting this...because nVidia didn't HAVE to release a faster card....but they definitely want this to hammer down on every front.
Also the midrange is gonna be damn impressive... :)
One thing is for sure...I'm ordering a Maze4 tonight..and hopefully I'll have an Ultra within 2 weeks :)
I have everything else
HeavyH20
11-02-2005, 09:51 AM
If I was in the nVidia marketing department, I would look to trump the ATI cards before they get any momentum.
-First, release a "GTX2" 512 MB of faster(fastest) RAM. That kills the ATI 512 MB advantage.
-Then get a better core on the card and take back the single card performance crown. That takes back the enthusiast market. As Chevrolet used to say of sponsoring race events, " Win on Sunday, sell on Monday".
- Release the card for $599 MSRP and let the market force the ATI card price down before they sell any in quantity.
- Drive the 256 MB GTX card's price into the x800 XL price zone ($400), and the choice becomes obvious.
- Drive the 7800 GT down to $300, and take that market as well.
- Push SLI as the enthusiast platform of choice. 2 x 7800 GT's for $600 looks awfully nice for the high end entry point. So, an x1800XT for $550 or two GT's for $600. Hmm, what will we choose.
- For those seeking the fastest cards, the new 7800 GTX 512 MB card will definitely be on the hot list.
And, if this card really gets released at the rumored spec, eBay will be chalked full of bargains with 256 MB GTX cards for under $400.
DilTech
11-02-2005, 09:57 AM
HeavyH20, that's what I was thinking from top to bottom to be honest with you.
Sneil
11-02-2005, 11:15 AM
If this card really gets released at the rumored spec, eBay will be chalked full of 256 MB GTX cards for under $400.
music to my ears :D
Ubermann
11-02-2005, 11:19 AM
I think i sell mine right away before its value=GF4.
Vapor
11-02-2005, 11:21 AM
I would sell mine right now except I don't have a backup and don't have enough money to upgrade to a higher model when they release. :(
Damn 780ES and P4GD1 :D
techstyled
11-02-2005, 11:32 AM
HeavyH20, you are a wise man (not to mention a hellofa bencher :))
sdat1333
11-02-2005, 12:27 PM
what makes some of u think they will release the thing at $550 or lower? I think a release price of $600 is FAR more reasonable because thats what the GTX was on release and it would still be lower than what ATI is most likely going to charge.
Of course i would love it if they released for $550 b/c i payed $530 for my GTX and i can step-up until November 29. Im just wondering what your logic is.
Sean
Oh btw lol im reading the exact same stuff b/c dil and shadowmage are also big on these forums and their posting the same things at XS and EOCF at the same time :)
Cybercat
11-02-2005, 12:41 PM
Didn't they say they won't be dropping prices on any of their current cards until December?
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/10/14/nvidia_prices/
Ubermann
11-02-2005, 12:52 PM
Oh btw lol im reading the exact same stuff b/c dil and shadowmage are also big on these forums and their posting the same things at XS and EOCF at the same time :)
I have always seen EOCF as a mirror of XS =)
Ubermann
11-02-2005, 12:59 PM
The wait will be longer than was thought initially, as we can confirm that it will not be released on the 7th.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/11/02/radeon_x1800xt_available_us/
sdat1333
11-02-2005, 01:06 PM
dont u mean XS as a mirror of EOCF ;)
perry_78
11-02-2005, 01:22 PM
Great news to my ears, I wanted a good 7800GTX ;)
Now to check the FS forums more often :)
HeavyH20, well structured :toast:
CrashOv3r1De
11-02-2005, 02:42 PM
So what is everyone holding out for the X1800 XT or 512 GTX?
So what is everyone holding out for the X1800 XT or 512 GTX?
Well...if everything is true about the Ultra...then ofcourse I'm getting one..no point in getting a slower card with my hard worked money.... :)
DilTech
11-02-2005, 05:36 PM
So what is everyone holding out for the X1800 XT or 512 GTX?
Holding out for the 512mb GTX!
Sheik
11-03-2005, 12:21 AM
512 Mb Gtx
did you read the inquirer?
512MB GTX at 550 MHz core 1800MHz mem
they will kill the x1800xt even before it is actually available
andL64
11-03-2005, 02:13 AM
hell of a card,
nice nvidia!
Cybercat
11-03-2005, 02:22 AM
did you read the inquirer?
512MB GTX at 550 MHz core 1800MHz mem
they will kill the x1800xt even before it is actually available
Not really. The X1800XT is already starting to make it's first appearances, where as the 512MB 7800GTX won't make it here until by the middle of this month.
Ubermann
11-03-2005, 02:25 AM
Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB pictured XFX works at 580/1730MHz
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27428
(In 3D mode, it has 0 delta, GPU running 1.45v, RAM at 1200 in 2D)
How the heck did they get 580 at 1.45 ??
Might be Nibitor that reads wrong.
yup there are few x1800xt cards but in wider margin the availability of the 512b gtx will be much better in my opinion
Cybercat
11-03-2005, 02:33 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27428
(In 3D mode ;) )
580MHz core? :eek:
Hear that? That's the sound of ATI ****ing themselves.
imagine some 90nm chips in action...
Piotrsama
11-03-2005, 03:15 AM
imagine some 90nm chips in action...
I just want to see this one ;)
GoldenTiger
11-03-2005, 05:21 AM
Yikes, I hope this will fit into my SN25P!
perkam
11-03-2005, 05:23 AM
kill the x1800xt even before it is actually available I'm afraid the X1800XT is already available...but the XT cant get to 2Ghz mem on air...it seems the Ultra GTX (i'm calling it that to reduce confusion) may well be able to.
I'm predicting 9.2k+ @ stock in 05...if not more. Oh well, "The King is Dead, Long Live the King !!!" :(
Perkam
DR G frag
11-03-2005, 05:28 AM
I think the 7800gtx 512 can break 10.8k @ stock (580/1730) in 05 ;)
Ubermann
11-03-2005, 05:31 AM
All i know is it breaks 10K default setting.
GoldenTiger
11-03-2005, 05:45 AM
Oh man... this thing had BETTER fit into my SN25P SFF case (without CPU shroud)!! :p:
Starscream
11-03-2005, 05:54 AM
sounds like a killer wonder hwo it clocks up.
i think the problem the X1800XT has atm is the price the stores ask, last i read was 599 dollars :/
if Nvidia does nothing stupid and asks the same money they might get alot of the ATI customers.
btw is that cooler fully of alluminium?
Der_KHAN
11-03-2005, 06:38 AM
I'm afraid the X1800XT is already available...oh really? where?btw is that cooler fully of alluminium?thats originally the quadro cooler. its aluminium with heatpipes. dell already used this cooler for 256mb gtx cards in xps rigs.
Pisu87
11-03-2005, 07:34 AM
I think this card will be nVidia's Phantom Edition, cores capable of 550+ MHz right out of the foundry won't be many. Remember that a manufacturer must ensure absolute stability at default clocks so if they can guarantee 550+ MHz with stock cooling those cores will easily get to 650MHz on air cooling.
The cost of this card will grow up even more than the X1800XT's one because of its 512MB of ultra fast and power hungry ram, I wouldn't be surprised to see this card sold at 600$. Probably nVidia engineers will modify the PCB to let it handle the huge power consumption of the core and the ram, it's going to draw even more power than a X1800XT.
All of above is valid if the card is coming with those frequencies and those rams fo real and not if it is just a rumor.
Coming to architecture, the card will still be fillrate-limited although it's more powerful than a normal GTX because of higher frequency. They should have set the ROPs in asynchronous to a higher frequency than the rest of the core to compensate.
dnavarro
11-03-2005, 07:50 AM
If you see the other thread this card is REAL. IMHO no Phantom Edition. And at 580 Mhz core is gonna spank the x1800xt :) ALso, with the sites that have the x1800xt for "pre-order" (or that one that may have stock), they are all asking for 600.00. So I would imagine NVIDIA would charge the same....
SnipingWaste
11-03-2005, 07:58 AM
Something is not right here. The G70 cores out now were set to defaut of 430mhz but some AIBs set cores to 490 mhz max. If the 512meg 7800GTX is rumered to be 580mhz then why the AIB would only alow a max of 490MHZ? The rumor still saying its a G70 core so if its a respin then there should be a name change from G70 to G7X.
SnipingWaste
11-03-2005, 08:02 AM
If you see the other thread this card is REAL. IMHO no Phantom Edition. And at 580 Mhz core is gonna spank the x1800xt :) ALso, with the sites that have the x1800xt for "pre-order" (or that one that may have stock), they are all asking for 600.00. So I would imagine NVIDIA would charge the same....
What we can be seeing is just a highly clocked ES that never make it to market. I have seen ES cards clocked 35% higher then what was released to market but only time will tell.
Ubermann
11-03-2005, 08:11 AM
Something is not right here. The G70 cores out now were set to defaut of 430mhz but some AIBs set cores to 490 mhz max. If the 512meg 7800GTX is rumered to be 580mhz then why the AIB would only alow a max of 490MHZ? The rumor still saying its a G70 core so if its a respin then there should be a name change from G70 to G7X.
Does AIB ever raise stock volt ?
They would have to use another PCB for that to do it on GTX.
Or change something (im no pro) and that might raise cost and NV might not like it.
They 100% redesigned the whole voltage circuitry...no doubt.
lol @ Phantom edition :rotf:
DilTech
11-03-2005, 09:26 AM
What we can be seeing is just a highly clocked ES that never make it to market. I have seen ES cards clocked 35% higher then what was released to market but only time will tell.
Higher voltage, better circuitry, better pcb...
The only limitation to the current 7800gtx is the voltage droop, if they fixed it on this one then this won't be a problem. With droop-mods people were hitting really close to that 550, if not higher than it.
DR G frag
11-03-2005, 10:18 AM
yes at 1.55v my 7800 works at 550(+40delta).
this 7800 512m don't have clock delta
Ubermann
11-03-2005, 10:23 AM
I could do 546 with my GTX with delta at 0 but "only" 529 with delta 45.
Wonder if the "regular" 512 meg version has any delta.
And maybe someone here could answer what at a regular GTX do in 3Dmark05 at 550/1700 ?
Platoon are you here ?
xgman
11-03-2005, 10:38 AM
xfx card 7/14 ship from resellers, but expect prices to be at least $600 to $700 range.
SnipingWaste
11-03-2005, 10:44 AM
xfx card 7/14 ship from resellers, but expect prices to be at least $600 to $700 range.
:confused: :confused:
7/14
Is that July 14 2006?
Or is it for Nov 7 through Nov 14?
Pisu87
11-03-2005, 10:45 AM
xfx card 7/14 ship from resellers, but expect prices to be at least $600 to $700 range.
Is it confirmed then?
What is "7/14"? :confused: :)
Der_KHAN
11-03-2005, 02:53 PM
Remember that a manufacturer must ensure absolute stability at default clocks so if they can guarantee 550+ MHz with stock cooling those cores will easily get to 650MHz on air cooling.not if there pushing it to the edge. some early X800XTs did only 519mhz unmodded (like mine)
and there are already gtx's out there that wont even do 470mhz
and even if the 512mb gtx's will clock well 650 is still a little much imo
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