RADEON X1800 XT vs ASUS Extreme N7800 GTX TOP @ Xbitlabs

[onethreehill]

"The RADEON X1800 XT 512MB has been considered as the world’s top-performing graphics card to date after the launch. But what about the GeForce 7800 GTX with boosted clock-speeds? Witness, how the GeForce 7800 GTX with 486MHz engine speed and 1.35GHz memory manages to leave behind the RADEON X1800 XT in loads of benchmarks as we share our experience about ASUS Extreme N7800 GTX TOP graphics card.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/asus-en7800gtx.html

[Shadowmage]

Keep in mind that this is without the OpenGL patch.

Good benchmarking :)

[perkam]

Witness, how the GeForce 7800 GTX with 486MHz engine speed and 1.35GHz memory manages to leave behind the RADEON X1800 XT in loads of benchmarks as we share our experience about ASUS Extreme N7800 GTX TOP graphics card. Wow, Xbit Labs is starting to show bias too. First time I've seen a review where they're out to prove a foregone conclusion from the very beginning. There will be higher clocked XTs too ;) So this isnt really apples vs apples comparision

Truth be told Ocers will care less about this comparison seeing as both the cards here have good coolers (the XT at stock has a dual slot copper one) so overclockability of either card will decide, and the XT can oc VERY well at stock cooler.

Perkam

[onethreehill]

Wow, Anand is really showing their bias. First time I've seen a review where they're out to prove a foregone conclusion from the very beginning. There will be higher clocked XTs too ;) So this isnt really apples vs apples comparision

Truth be told Ocers will care less about this comparison seeing as both the cards here have good coolers (the XT at stock has a dual slot copper one) so overclockability of either card will decide, and the XT can oc VERY well at stock cooler.

Perkam

Anand?

[chunkylover77]

Perkam I find you guilty of not even clicking on the link. You are now sentenced to one week of watching Dr. Phil. :D

[trakslacker]

Perkam I find you guilty of not even clicking on the link. You are now sentenced to one week of watching Dr. Phil. :D


rofl, in his defense at least Anadtech and Xbitlabs sound simil.....oh wait. :sofa:

well then, Dr. Phil it is. ;)

[Cybercat]

lol, you don't even have to click the link to see who it's from...

[Ubermann]

How the heck can a $600 card that has speeds any GTX out there can run become "editors choice" ?
Then i would rather spend money on 2x cheap 7800GT.
(And hello why didnt they run the hotfix on ATI?)

[perkam]

ok, so i got owned there...but i actually did go through it...with the pretense that it was Anand :p:

The argument remains though. Post edited :) ubermann is right, why in the world are they basing "the top video card in the market" based on stock clocks ?? Reaching 486/1.35 is childsplay on any gtx. heck i've seen X1800XLs and 7800GTs get higher 3d05 scores than stock GTXs :shakes:

Perkam

[Ubermann]

First this:

"Talking about the speed of the Extreme GeForce 7800 GTX TOP from ASUS, we should note that it either beats or matches the RADEON X1800 XT 512MB at default clock-speeds in the majority of the benchmarks."

Would make it Best Graphics Card For Games i guess.

But then this:

"Having summed up our test results we here at X-bit labs decided to award ASUS Extreme GeForce 7800 GTX TOP graphics card with the prestigious Editor’s Choice Title as the today’s Best Graphics Card for OpenGL Games"

Im sure they are aware of the hotfix or they been sleeping for a month.
Ahh just an odd review i go to bed im getting upset about nothing...
(I missed the "Today's" before title so i i should just delete this post)

[RaZz!]

however, the game-benchmarks made me proud of my 7800 gt :D
in most games it has the same performance as a 7800gtx (mostly pure speed, of course) and in some cases it's even faster than the x1800xt :P

but on the other side it's "not fair" that they benched without ati's "opengl-patch".

*edit*

btw, why is the stock-clocked 7800gtx faster in some synthetic benchmarks like 3dmark03 game 1 and the final fantasy benchmark thingy? :confused:

[Der_KHAN]

...and the XT can oc VERY well at stock cooler.how come everybody seems to know that x1800xts will oc well? because some review samples have been good clockers?

there have been plenty of x800xts and x850xts that clocked like crap and for me theres no doubt that its gonna be the same with x1800xts

[perkam]

there have been plenty of x800xts and x850xts that clocked like crap and for me theres no doubt that its gonna be the same with x1800xts Not quite. ;) With the X850s and the x800s, they were already pushing the envelope at stock speeds. Here, as time goes on, we will only see higher clocked variants of the XT (and the XL) as ATI's yields get better as they begin mass production of the R520 chip. Crap overclocking XTs will become Pros and LEs for OEMs. Already at stock the XT gets at least 500 points more than GTX.

Also, its been 3 months since the GTX launched, and we have yet to see a GTX that didnt overclock well with good air cooling, same goes here der khan.

Perkam

[Der_KHAN]

as if 625/1500 wouldnt be pushing the envelope as well. :rolleyes:
and why should the 'clockability' of gtx cards have any influence on ati cards!?

face it! u're a fanboy! :hehe:

[SnipingWaste]

as if 625/1500 wouldnt be pushing the envelope as well. :rolleyes:
and why should the 'clockability' of gtx cards have any influence on ati cards!?

face it! u're a fanboy! :hehe:
Looks like the same can be said about you. As for the X1800XT, its a unknown right know because what is out there are engeneering samples. The X1800XL is here now and there are OC numbers for OEM and retail cards. Most on the single slot cooler and defalt voltage are hitting around 570mhz to 600mhz now with the help of programs that alow OC above 575 on the core (CCC would only alow 575mhz on the core so the new beta ATI tool opened that up). From what were seeing form X1800XL, the X1800XT look good for OC.

[Cybercat]

500 points more! :shock2: Save the 3DMark enthusiasm for the 3D Team board. In the realworld, the GTX makes par with the XT in everything barring BF2 and FarCry. And in this case, image quality is actually a consideration.

There's a reason why overclocked GTX's are more relevant than overclocked X1800XTs.

First of all ATI isn't as leniant about vendor overclocked GPUs. Matter of fact, Sapphire has to use a special software application to run their extreme series cards from reference to overclocked clockspeeds, because they can't overclock them via the BIOS. This therefore only sets in at Windows boot, after the drivers and packaged software are installed.

Second of all GTXs have been out for a long time. Availability has always been great for them. Reference speeds are old news now, and therefore so many are being overclocked quite high by almost all vendors, even at "stock". Some vendors don't even have any GTXs running at reference speeds. This is really the first time in the history of graphics cards that a GPU has been manipulated to such an extent.

With the X1800XT, stock cards have yet to be released, let alone overclocked versions. They have yet to cover the basis first. If ATI can prove that they can produce good yields of the X1800XTs first, then vendors will worry about pushing the envelope. Otherwise they won't get anywhere, because if ATI can't provide good availability for reference-clocked cards, why strain that further by clocking them higher? Vendors won't be so quick to take chances like that after last year with the R420, and after the delays of that the R520 has recieved.

And let's not forget that vendors have MUCH higher standards for stability in overclocking cards than end users do. Just because John Doe over at the 3D Team board manages to bench his X1800XL at 750MHz core, doesn't mean it's running stable enough by the vendor's qualifications, or stable at all for that matter. They have to test every inch of every game first to search for flickering textures or artifacts. Then they have to make sure that nearly all the cards they recieve are going to be able to run just as well.