FX 59 countdown.... [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

s7e9h3n

10-24-2005, 03:34 PM

Maybe it has something to do with your post over here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1068418#post1068418 ;)
Hmmm....I reread my post and can't figure out what correlation you're talking about :p:

0531 is the start of new (mem. cont.) revision imo..(XXX2E). Remember 0513s FX55BN and FX57? :)
Ahhh, I see what you're talking about. That's an interesting theory.....TBH, I've never thought about it, but I'll see what I can dig up..... ;)

Vapor

10-24-2005, 03:39 PM

Well, we aren't waiting for a *new* core, we're waiting for the refined versions of San Diego....and I agree with Dumo, we are seeing the 57 go through what we saw happen to the 55 right before the 57 came out.

largon

10-24-2005, 03:40 PM

What does that CAB2E mean?

-- new (mem. cont.) revision imo..(XXX2E). --Do the last two letters (or numbers) of the "5-letter code" indicate memctrl revision? Is there any official (or unofficial) info available about the "5-letter code"?

lutjens

10-24-2005, 03:42 PM

I'm guessing FX59 will require a new stepping and/or a large increase in yield before such a speed becomes viable.

And there's no rush...the FX57 already owns the high end gaming space. Unless Intel suddenly pushes the Pentium M as a mainstream high end desktop gaming platform, I doubt AMD will devote much effort to bumping the clock on the FXs.

s7e9h3n

10-24-2005, 03:43 PM

Do the last two letters (or numbers) of the "5-letter code" indicate memctrl revision? Is there any official (or unofficial) info available about the "5-letter code"?
NO ;)

s7e9h3n

10-24-2005, 03:44 PM

bazx

10-24-2005, 03:59 PM

0531 is the start of new (mem. cont.) revision imo..(XXX2E). Remember 0513s FX55BN and FX57? :)

from the two 57s 0531 that i no of did not like the cold much

LexDiamonds

10-24-2005, 04:15 PM

I'm all for AMD releasing the FX-59. It adds insult to injury as far as Intel is concerned.

3ghz is a nice spot to stop too. :D

metro.cl

10-24-2005, 04:20 PM

The 59's already in the works and should be out in a couple months......

so you must be testing one, when are you gonna be able to post something about them??

if they are like fx-57 they should do easily 3.2ghz on air no vcore increase right?? any news on cold bug? a better mem controller would be kinda weird because the fx already have the best mem controller (the only prob. is the coldbug if it is because of the mem controller).

sierra_bound

10-24-2005, 04:27 PM

Is it going to be called FX-59 or FX-60? Interesting little article can be found here (http://www.avault.com/news/displaynews.asp?story=10242005-5234).

i found nemo

10-24-2005, 04:29 PM

B5I8

10-24-2005, 05:08 PM

Where's the X2 FX versions??? I've been waiting to go dual core but I want one with unlocked multi's. I might just end up jumping on the Intel bandwagon :mad:.

Absolute_0

10-24-2005, 05:21 PM

Where's the X2 FX versions??? I've been waiting to go dual core but I want one with unlocked multi's. I might just end up jumping on the Intel bandwagon :mad:.

ah, because so many intels are unlocked ;). I really don't think unlocked multipliers is that big of a deal, but i just came of a venice 3000+ where i was running HTT of 325 24/7. Dual core FXs... may come true some day :banana:

madgamer

10-24-2005, 05:31 PM

unless you have some form of gnarly phase change, do you really need an unlocked X2? (I know this is XS, so while you dont really NEED an fx57 @ 4ghz but it would be nice etc). I would immagine they will come in time, but not untill the switch to dual core becomes pretty much a full transition/the only option for cpus.

Vapor

10-24-2005, 05:33 PM

Do you need an unlocked CPU, PERIOD?

No, dividers don't hurt the performance at all. If your board has a problem getting over a certain HTT in async....get a new one.

Hector Ruiz

10-24-2005, 05:36 PM

I might just end up jumping on the Intel bandwagon :mad:.

I don't believe you :p:

Vapor

10-24-2005, 05:37 PM

FX-59 will be San Diego, that means single core.

The roadmap with the FX-60 is iffy at best to me....the 3000+ is there for one.

Vapor

10-24-2005, 05:39 PM

I might just end up jumping on the Intel bandwagon :mad:.Shouldn't be hard....moves pretty slowly.

s7e9h3n

10-24-2005, 05:53 PM

so you must be testing one, when are you gonna be able to post something about them??

if they are like fx-57 they should do easily 3.2ghz on air no vcore increase right?? any news on cold bug? a better mem controller would be kinda weird because the fx already have the best mem controller (the only prob. is the coldbug if it is because of the mem controller).
Lol, I wish I had one right now....samples aren't even shipping yet

@ Sierra: Yes, definately FX59. Nothing more, nothing less :p:

@ Nemo: It's not gonna happen - at least with the 59 ;) I just tested some E6 "Diego" Cores which will replace the current E4 San Diegos and those are definately different cores than the current cpu's. Now it's very unlikely the 59 will be one of these cores, but who knows? I guess, we'll all have to wait and see ;)

@B518: The FX after the 59 will be moving to dual core - unless of course AMD decides to change their mind for one reason or another......

i found nemo

10-24-2005, 06:23 PM

hey steve ... give us a preview like you did with the venice cpus :D

Dumo

10-24-2005, 06:34 PM

The reason I post this thread is to find out (if its possible :) ) if 59 will be cold bugged big time like 57 0531 CAB2E. On the other hand 57 0530 APMW performed ok. like 0528 or 0516....
Well, I get this perception that ATI mobos were tuned for lower htt and will suit well with CAB2E @-90C....if it can even boot :)

Dumo

10-24-2005, 08:50 PM

Or at least it can bench like this one......

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/5050/05129dw.jpg

cadaveca

10-24-2005, 09:18 PM

Found this earlier...dunno if it's real or not, but something to ponder....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39053

B5I8

10-24-2005, 09:42 PM

ah, because so many intels are unlocked ;). I really don't think unlocked multipliers is that big of a deal, but i just came of a venice 3000+ where i was running HTT of 325 24/7. Dual core FXs... may come true some day :banana:
You sound like a real AMD fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I love AMD. They just aren't up to par these days though. There are a couple things I think they could do better. One thing is to make their own motherboard chipsets again. The Via, Nvidia, and ATI solutions just don't seem to cut it. They're are just to buggy. Another thing is that the dual core processors don't work like they're supposed to, you have to install patches before they somewhat work. Of course we all know about the cold bug which is another big problem for us xtremists. If they fixed those three things, they'd be untouchable. As far as unlocked multipliers, I need them for a 24/7 stable setup. I'm one of those guys who love tight timings so I can't run my RAM to 300MHz+. I'm shooting for a 3.2GHz+ 24/7 stable dual core AMD setup which can't be done right now. Intels processors may not be unlocked or as fast, but at least they are 100% working and stable. I probably won't jump on the Intel bandwagon just yet but I have been considering it for a while.

LexDiamonds

10-24-2005, 09:54 PM

You sound like a real AMD fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I love AMD. They just aren't up to par these days though. There are a couple things I think they could do better. One thing is to make their own motherboard chipsets again. The Via, Nvidia, and ATI solutions just don't seem to cut it. They're are just to buggy. Another thing is that the dual core processors don't work like they're supposed to, you have to install patches before they somewhat work. Of course we all know about the cold bug which is another big problem for us xtremists. If they fixed those three things, they'd be untouchable. As far as unlocked multipliers, I need them for a 24/7 stable setup. I'm one of those guys who love tight timings so I can't run my RAM to 300MHz+. I'm shooting for a 3.2GHz+ 24/7 stable dual core AMD setup which can't be done right now. Intels processors may not be unlocked or as fast, but at least they are 100% working and stable. I probably won't jump on the Intel bandwagon just yet but I have been considering it for a while.

-There are rumors that when Fab36 ramps up to full production, fab30 may devote some of its resources to chipsets...

-I would not call NF2/3/4 "buggy" in the least bit. These are great chipsets and one of the primary reasons AMD is where it is today! Now if you OC to insane levels, there are of course limitations. Besides some early teething manufacturer specific bios issues, I dont know what you are talking about.

-You simply cant knock AMDs dual core implementation, especially when compared to Intels grade school cut and paste approach. Patches are needed simply because WinXP wasnt designed with dual core procs in mind. This will be a null issue with Vista and possibly XPSP3.

-I agree the cold bug problem is not good, but its low on AMDs "to solve" list. I doubt we will see and 90nm procs suddenly fix this. 65nm may or may not.... it could be a AMD "problem" from here on out. Hard to say.

P_1

10-24-2005, 09:56 PM

Is it eary Feb '06?

Hope it will be different core than CAB2E 0531

Heres opteron 2.8Ghz.... on the net

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6600/0001280582yz.jpg
more like fx60
http://www.avault.com/news/displaynews.asp?story=10242005-5234

T_M

10-24-2005, 09:57 PM

As far as unlocked multipliers, I need them for a 24/7 stable setup. I'm one of those guys who love tight timings so I can't run my RAM to 300MHz+. I'm shooting for a 3.2GHz+ 24/7 stable dual core AMD setup which can't be done right now. Intels processors may not be unlocked or as fast, but at least they are 100% working and stable. I probably won't jump on the Intel bandwagon just yet but I have been considering it for a while.

Doesnt make much sense to me :confused:
If it cant be done now, it cant be done now.
Its not like Intel are doing it and AMD arent.
All of my AMD chips are 100% working and stable :toast:

IvanAndreevich

10-24-2005, 10:41 PM

B5I8
You can't get AMD to be stable? Sounds like your need the hands.sys driver :fact:

B5I8

10-24-2005, 11:39 PM

B5I8
You can't get AMD to be stable? Sounds like your need the hands.sys driver :fact:
What I meant is that I'm only interested in 100% stable speeds. I don't care if someone can bench at 3.6GHz but it fails Prime instantly. What I'm saying is that I need the unlocked multi's so that I can hit my desired speed with the right combination of multi's and fsb. For instance, I'm not one to run my CPU at 300x10, I run it at 250x12 because I like tight timings. If for example if my max speed for my RAM was 250MHz and I had a CPU with a locked multi of 12x, my max speed would be 250x12 or 3000MHz. If I wanted to go higher, I'd need a higher multi. I think everyone is misunderstanding what I'm talking about.

Ozan Baseski

10-24-2005, 11:52 PM

It would be great to see another FX hitting the market at the new year. And I agree that 3ghz would be a nice spot to stop and move on to dual core. But I'd stick with my FX57 till the end of Socket 939 platform I think.

Absolute_0

10-25-2005, 12:07 AM

What I meant is that I'm only interested in 100% stable speeds. I don't care if someone can bench at 3.6GHz but it fails Prime instantly. What I'm saying is that I need the unlocked multi's so that I can hit my desired speed with the right combination of multi's and fsb. For instance, I'm not one to run my CPU at 300x10, I run it at 250x12 because I like tight timings. If for example if my max speed for my RAM was 250MHz and I had a CPU with a locked multi of 12x, my max speed would be 250x12 or 3000MHz. If I wanted to go higher, I'd need a higher multi. I think everyone is misunderstanding what I'm talking about.

Have you ever heard of dividers :stick:

You sound like a real AMD fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I love AMD. They just aren't up to par these days though. There are a couple things I think they could do better. One thing is to make their own motherboard chipsets again. The Via, Nvidia, and ATI solutions just don't seem to cut it. They're are just to buggy. Another thing is that the dual core processors don't work like they're supposed to, you have to install patches before they somewhat work. Of course we all know about the cold bug which is another big problem for us xtremists. If they fixed those three things, they'd be untouchable. As far as unlocked multipliers, I need them for a 24/7 stable setup. I'm one of those guys who love tight timings so I can't run my RAM to 300MHz+. I'm shooting for a 3.2GHz+ 24/7 stable dual core AMD setup which can't be done right now. Intels processors may not be unlocked or as fast, but at least they are 100% working and stable. I probably won't jump on the Intel bandwagon just yet but I have been considering it for a while.

my AMDs are running "100% working and stable" wasn't too hard to do
3.2 Ghz stable isn't possible on an AMD chip? Well i have only to mention my buddy njkid here, who's got a 3200+ venice that'll do 3.4 Ghz stable all day long under his single stage. Yes, coldbug is a problem, but if you don't know about dividers, you're not in the position where coldbug is going to hurt you. I dont know if i should consider myself an AMD fanboy, i've just been suprememly disappointed with Intel since they botched 90nm with the prescott and lost inspiration after that.

Daved+

10-25-2005, 01:06 AM

Shouldn't be hard....moves pretty slowly.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

longsiew

10-25-2005, 01:25 AM

Found this earlier...dunno if it's real or not, but something to ponder....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39053

Look at the bottom of the pice list 'AMD Confidential'. I wonder how u managed to get this price list.

Anymore insider's storties?? :p:

T_M

10-25-2005, 03:58 AM

If for example if my max speed for my RAM was 250MHz and I had a CPU with a locked multi of 12x, my max speed would be 250x12 or 3000MHz. If I wanted to go higher, I'd need a higher multi. I think everyone is misunderstanding what I'm talking about.

Then buy a CPU with higher multi :confused:

:slapass:

Mikesta

10-25-2005, 05:54 AM

i dunno, as the last single core cpu possibly i doubt it will maintain sandiego core, so many cores come out so often i just see it as a different core, and also i DEMAND fx-59 has 2MB of l2 cache and 2 levels of 128k l1 cache!!! that would pwn a dothan

Hmmmm first of all.......2 levels of 128k L1 cache? this would probably be an entirely different architecture!!!!!

2MB L2 Cache. With current architecture it would be a waste. A64's hardly need cache at all. All that it would do is add a substantial amount of heat for almost nil benefit.

Personally I would hope that they would lower the L2 Cache Latency. That would increase performance significantly IMHO.

Anyway rumour is that when Dual Core FX come out they will feature a Shared L3 cache. Here's hoping for at least 2mb!

Vincentvega18

10-25-2005, 07:44 AM

Found this earlier...dunno if it's real or not, but something to ponder....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39053
The problem here being that clearly stated the a64 3000+ continuing, when we know its already being phased out. So OUT OF DATE at best.

_Eduard_

10-25-2005, 08:20 AM

it says last updated 26/9/2006

B5I8

10-25-2005, 08:44 AM

Then buy a CPU with higher multi :confused:

:slapass:
Well the highest multiplier for a X2 is 12 (4800+ = 2.4GHz) so they don't make them any higher :stick:. Hence the need for a FX dual core.

B5I8

10-25-2005, 08:46 AM

Have you ever heard of dividers :stick:

Running dividers just kills performance. The best performance comes from 1:1 divider.

Vapor

10-25-2005, 08:54 AM

That's absolutely false with A64s...

fagin

10-25-2005, 09:12 AM

That's absolutely false with A64s...

That's right it is false, because with AMD you always run a divider. 1:1 is a divider with AMD, the same as any other. Do some quick SPi test will tell you that for it's actually better to run a higher htt with a lower divider if your system can manage. If you've a board that reliably does 400X9, then you are not limited until you reach 3.6GHz, hey with a 10X multiplier you could reach 4GHz :) yes, you would be better off running 1:1 If your ram was running DDR800, but that would be due to the ram speed and nothing to do with the divider :)

P_1

10-25-2005, 09:35 AM

I think all of u guys ignored my post, fx60 info is HERE : http://www.avault.com/news/displaynews.asp?story=10242005-5234

TALKS ABOUT THE SHEET U GUYS SEE IN THE THREAD IN THE ABOVE LINK

Vapor

10-25-2005, 09:40 AM

FX-60 is likely nothing more than FX-59 for M2 if it even exists.

That document is out of date AT BEST.

da-key

10-25-2005, 09:50 AM

That's right it is false, because with AMD you always run a divider. 1:1 is a divider with AMD, the same as any other. Do some quick SPi test will tell you that for it's actually better to run a higher htt with a lower divider if your system can manage. If you've a board that reliably does 400X9, then you are not limited until you reach 3.6GHz, hey with a 10X multiplier you could reach 4GHz :) yes, you would be better off running 1:1 If your ram was running DDR800, but that would be due to the ram speed and nothing to do with the divider :)

This is well said. If you don't or can't define for yourself what a ram divider is then why bother bringing that up as a point. Even on a Intel system there is a divider and this allows you to find the max speed of your CPU while not exceeding the limits of your DDR. AMD provides more updates this way as with every CPU revision comes a improved MEM controller. I prefer to buy a new cpu at the lower end of the AMD line and get a new mem controller designed to work specifically with my CPU each and every time. Intel has to wait on updates in motherboards. This costs the board makers money and consumers confusion in the long run. Also the use of ddr2 over the last year or more has been a hinderance as most of the chipsets implemented have not been able to take advantage of it until just recently.

So, Intel has forced the use of more expensive parts on there boards while not providing a performance hit worth a sh*t. AMD is not only more reasonable in pricing but much more in tune to the everyday user. 775 CPU's are pricey and in need of dire OC'ing so whats the use. Not likely you can take a intel cpu out of box and oc it where it beats a AMD youll need something more, like dry ice. :slap:

Absolute_0

10-25-2005, 10:32 AM

Running dividers just kills performance. The best performance comes from 1:1 divider.

Like everyone else says, dividers do not kill performance.

ozzimark

10-25-2005, 11:56 AM

NO ;)
some things are easy to figure out though. the last letter is obviously the core revision:
xxxxC = rev C0 or CG
xxxxD = rev D
xxxxE = rev E

it's getting beyond that's hard. it seems that the 2nd to last letter has something to do with the type of transistors, like how the CABNE's run so much hotter and oc better than CABGE's, thus it's probably a batch with more "fast" transistors.
beyond that... no idea.

MaxxxRacer

10-25-2005, 12:38 PM

As others have said to B518, use a divider. It does NOT hurt performance at all and it will get u the exact mem speed you want. I have noticed that dividers actually hit mem speeds that would be equivalent to ur same cpu mhz times a higher multi if that makes any sense. granted its not exact, but within a few mhz on the mem frequency.

s7e9h3n

10-25-2005, 02:33 PM

Found this earlier...dunno if it's real or not, but something to ponder....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39053
Hmmm....that pic is kinda odd. First off - why would it saw "www.amd.com" on the top if it truly was an "AMD CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENT". AFAIK, amd doesn't put ANY of their confidential internal documents online. Secondly, note the AMD 64 2800+ listed on the sheet. Now the last time I checked, the 2800+ was a s754 only cpu which was being phased out.....so does that mean the 3000+ and the 3200+ on that list are s754 or s939? Surely a listing such as this should differentiate between s939 and s754 cpu's, right? On a side note, if multipliers is what B518 is looking for in an x2, then the 5000+ IS your cpu. Currently in the works, it's going to be released as a 13x200 dual core monster. That's basically two cores running the same speed as an FX55 on one die :slobber: And let's just put an end to this argument about dividers......the best performance does NOT come at a 1:1 divider. In fact, it happens when you run dividers which UPCLOCK your memory ;) . For example, this is the 7/6 divider: My FSB @ 273, my memory @ 300 (Please excuse the crappy memory timings :p: ):
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7629/11x27332mtccdopb7am8bq.jpg

ozzimark

10-25-2005, 09:14 PM

i take it i'm not gonna get any help with my theory then? ;)

cadaveca

10-25-2005, 10:47 PM

Surely a listing such as this should differentiate between s939 and s754 cpu's, right?
Not if those models were not in production in 939, they wouldn't.

I never said it was true, not my info, but merely something to ponder...

i found nemo

10-25-2005, 11:05 PM

there is no such thing as 1:1 as the ram can't operate at cpu speed even if cpu is at stock on lowest multi with the fsb on 200 or in this case htt

OC Detective

10-26-2005, 12:36 AM

i take it i'm not gonna get any help with my theory then? ;)
Last letter a complete revision of the mask set - other letters indicate changes in individual or a few masks layers at different stages of the doping process.
The changes you mention in recent revisions is likely on the final masks when the metallisation layers are added involving the interconnects tieing the transistors etc together.

3NZ0

10-26-2005, 01:44 AM

hold on a second, 3.0ghz?

thats 200mhz off my p4 northy :eek:

crist how much do you think one of these cpu's would own my cpu?

double the preformance? methinks i need to upgrade soon. :)

LexDiamonds

10-26-2005, 01:52 AM

hold on a second 3.0ghz?

thats 200mhz off my p4 northy :eek:

crsit how much do you think one of these cpu's would own my cpu?

double the prfeformance? methink i need to upgrade soon. :)

Thats what so great. We all have known about the Mhz gap between AMD and Intel and respected the performance associated with that gap due to IPC. With a 3Ghz part, AMD is @ 3ghz and Intel is all of.. 3.8Ghz with Presshot? A beautifal thing to behold.

3NZ0

10-26-2005, 02:20 AM

wow, now there is no reason whatsoever to go to intel.

sempron>smeleron

low end 939/mid end 754>skt 478

high end 939>extreme chips

x2>smithfield

pwnteron>inert gas (xeon)

well im not sure about the turion over the dothan but im sure its a good as it power wise (maby not power efficancy)

da-key

10-26-2005, 11:51 AM

Thats what so great. We all have known about the Mhz gap between AMD and Intel and respected the performance associated with that gap due to IPC. With a 3Ghz part, AMD is @ 3ghz and Intel is all of.. 3.8Ghz with Presshot? A beautifal thing to behold.

Xactly why I sold some stuff downgraded my p4 to stock air and switched to a opteron. AMD is very solid investment imo.

CrashOv3r1De

10-26-2005, 12:33 PM

ETA is Feb 06?

What do you guys think MSRP will be $1.1k or what?

I am building a gaming rig in 2weeks going with a FX-57 and a chilly1 modded vapo cant really wait 3months I gotta play some BF2/WoW

Piotrsama

10-26-2005, 12:33 PM

well im not sure about the turion over the dothan but im sure its a good as it power wise (maby not power efficancy)
The Turion performs very well..... just check this:
http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/articles/42/1/1/
That's at least even, but I think it's a victory for Turion.

ozzimark

10-27-2005, 06:25 AM

Last letter a complete revision of the mask set - other letters indicate changes in individual or a few masks layers at different stages of the doping process.
The changes you mention in recent revisions is likely on the final masks when the metallisation layers are added involving the interconnects tieing the transistors etc together.
good explaination, thanks! :toast:
now it's time to think about this a bit more ;)

VVJ

10-27-2005, 10:27 AM

Is it eary Feb '06?

Hope it will be different core than CAB2E 0531

Heres opteron 2.8Ghz.... on the net

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6600/0001280582yz.jpg

Description:

http://netpilot.at.tut.by/work/AuthScannerOSA254.gif

Kanuck

10-27-2005, 08:01 PM

At what CPU is AMD planning to switch to 65nm? 5000+? Will Intel having 65nm and AMD still having 90 make a difference in the benchmarks a lot?

NeGe0

10-27-2005, 08:50 PM

At what CPU is AMD planning to switch to 65nm? 5000+? Will Intel having 65nm and AMD still having 90 make a difference in the benchmarks a lot?

No it shouldn't. The only thing is that thier 65nm chips are supposed to be new architectures. So that would make a difference, also they should run cooler and overclock higher.

Dumo

10-28-2005, 12:29 PM

Lately, a few FX57 0512 oems turn up for sale.....Imo, it was the first FX57 core on production...
Will try to get one :)

s7e9h3n

10-29-2005, 10:13 PM

Lately, a few FX57 0512 oems turn up for sale.....Imo, it was the first FX57 core on production...
Will try to get one :)
You're right - it was the first "real" FX57 in production (hehehe- my "FX56" is a week 11). But why would you want one of those? You'd be better off getting the 0513 FX57 (which you've already had, iirc). Sampsa had an 0512 that he complained didn't clock too well. Then again, I think Shamino was the first to 4.0G with a 0512 FX57.......

Dumo

10-29-2005, 10:54 PM

You're right - it was the first "real" FX57 in production (hehehe- my "FX56" is a week 11). But why would you want one of those? You'd be better off getting the 0513 FX57 (which you've already had, iirc). Sampsa had an 0512 that he complained didn't clock too well. Then again, I think Shamino was the first to 4.0G with a 0512 FX57.......Also, if I'm not mistaken Kinc ran it @ 3.9G in 3Dmarks.
0512 and 0522 are the only FX57 oems..

0511/0512 and 0522 are with 'T' whreas all 0513 and up is an 'N'...Its must be something with these letters...

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/4115/screenshot0242qq.jpg

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/2994/screenshot0254iu.jpg

s7e9h3n

10-29-2005, 11:02 PM

Also, if I'm not mistaken Kinc ran it @ 3.9G in 3Dmarks.
0512 and 0522 are the only FX57 oems..

With 0511 and 0512 its a 'T' whreas all 0513 and up is an 'N'...Its must be something with these letters...

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/4115/screenshot0242qq.jpg

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/2994/screenshot0254iu.jpg
YGPM ;)

Dumo

10-29-2005, 11:09 PM

How about "T" w/out cold bug @-99C which I hope will happen to FX59/60 :)

T_M

10-30-2005, 07:07 AM

YGPM ;)

did he come up with something?

Gorod

11-22-2005, 09:49 PM

Any news about FX59 release date ? :D
I am thinking to buy FX57 from NewEgg if theres no FX59 in AMD roadmaps anymore , i just dont want Dual Core FX60 (only 2.6GHz :stick: ) if thats what they want to Call an FX :nono: :slapass:
How about those new week FX57's (probably thats what i am gonna get if i order one from newegg now :rolleyes: ) - are they cold bugged badly :( ?
I was planing to use DI + MousePot with it :)
Plz , help me decide is it wort it to get a new week FX57 now , or wait for FX59 if its going to come out any time soon , or may be i am waiting for something that will never come out lol ? I am confused now :confused: :D

nn_step

11-22-2005, 09:54 PM

FX-59 is dead. Get overit.
The FX-60 is the next FX to come out. FX-59 has been scraped and buried

Dumo

11-22-2005, 09:57 PM

Steppings 0512 to 0530 should be ok with less than -30 cpu core temp.
0531 and up seem to cold bugged big time with xtreme cooling..

Dumo

11-22-2005, 09:57 PM

FX-59 is dead. Get overit.
The FX-60 is the next FX to come out. FX-59 has been scraped and buriedReally? :)

nn_step

11-22-2005, 09:58 PM

Yes

Dumo

11-22-2005, 10:02 PM

Back in April everybody seems to think that there is no FX55 san diego will be out.... and see what happened? :)

nn_step

11-22-2005, 10:07 PM

I have have a friend who was on the 59 project.. He conforms that it wasn't "Cost effective" by AMD's standards..
what ever the :banana::banana::banana::banana: that means..

revlimiter9000

11-22-2005, 10:08 PM

I think you should wait until you get some results back.

Gorod

11-23-2005, 01:00 AM

Steppings 0512 to 0530 should be ok with less than -30 cpu core temp.
0531 and up seem to cold bugged big time with xtreme cooling..

Lol , i have a real bad feeling :D that thats what exactly i am going to get ... a cold bugged FX57 :nono: :( Don't think NewEgg has old batch chips left :(
May be i should try to call them and ask in person :)

FX-59 is dead. Get overit.
The FX-60 is the next FX to come out. FX-59 has been scraped and buried "Great" news :( , all that time waited for something that will never be out ... :confused: :mad:

So what do we have now ? Cold bugged 57's and 59 canceled ? :mad: :stick:
May be i just should get FX55 SanDiego and hope its old batch because of its not very popular and pray that it will clock good and no bugs with subzero cooling ? :confused: Now i am really confused .... :( :confused:

PS and offtopic (sorry :) ) : Did anyone purchased FX57 recently from NewEgg ? If so plz share your results , batch and week and if it has a cold bug or no . :toast:

vapb400

11-23-2005, 06:26 AM

I'm suprised AMD would pull out and not offer a 3GHz chip. But i was suprised when Intel didn't release the 4GHz chip. That may just be me and my obsession with round numbers.

Piotrsama

11-23-2005, 06:30 AM

I have have a friend who was on the 59 project.. He conforms that it wasn't "Cost effective" by AMD's standards..
what ever the :banana::banana::banana::banana: that means..
Very low yields?

nn_step

11-23-2005, 09:49 AM

Yes and that they expected that it wouldn't sell right for the price required for the low yeilds

CrashOv3r1De

11-23-2005, 10:31 AM

Whats ETA for FX60 any news?

nn_step

11-23-2005, 10:34 AM

Q1 '06

RichUK

11-23-2005, 10:40 AM

Whats ETA for FX60 any news?

ive heard second week in January 06 :eek:

nn_step

11-23-2005, 11:04 AM

in multitheaded apps.. it will be twice as fast as a single core on a clocker per clock comparison..
But in Single Threaded apps.. just a small boost

CrashOv3r1De

11-23-2005, 11:25 AM

Sounds good im deffinitely going to give it a try. Will have to sell this FX57 when Jan comes but whatever if its for a better CPU i dont mind losing 150-200$

s7e9h3n

11-23-2005, 11:28 AM

Sounds good im deffinitely going to give it a try. Will have to sell this FX57 when Jan comes but whatever if its for a better CPU i dont mind losing 150-200$
Don't count on getting higher benches with a dual 2.6 core as opposed to your 0516? 57 single - well at least in single threaded apps. ;)

nn_step

11-23-2005, 11:32 AM

now that was sweet

Dumo

11-23-2005, 11:57 AM

Heres some info from our F/S thread...see the XS FX57 prices base of deegree of cold bug with xtreme cooling :)
0531 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=80209)...0528 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=80158)...0516 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79387)

Pjotr

11-23-2005, 05:27 PM

The market for expensive high end single core CPUs just died quickly as dual cores clocked pretty high. With FX-60 dual core clocking 2.6 GHz, who in their right minds would pay as much for only one core 3.0 GHz, really? Only some dudes on this forum and that's not enough for a launch. Any sane person gets a dual 2.6 over a 3.0 single core.

Dumo

11-23-2005, 06:00 PM

For some peeps 3D'05 @ 19K is more important than 2X 2.6Ghz :)
And the price to pay for it.....doesn't really matter.
Just my 2 cents...

FX60 will be a blast for multi tasking system :toast:

nn_step

11-23-2005, 06:06 PM

A FX60 will the pride of my next rig. As long as it is less than $1,500...

PkG.1337

11-23-2005, 06:34 PM

A FX60 will the pride of my next rig. As long as it is less than $1,500...
my guess it would be $1200

LoKi2k

11-24-2005, 08:47 PM

any news? is it 2,6 or 2,8 ghz? because there will come a 5000+. i think this cpu will have 2 x 2,6 ghz

nn_step

11-24-2005, 09:16 PM

the Fx-60 will be 2.6 Ghz but with the unlocked multi and the redesigned IHS it will be a beast.

krille

11-25-2005, 02:52 AM

the Fx-60 will be 2.6 Ghz but with the unlocked multi and the redesigned IHS it will be a beast.
Redesigned IHS? So IHS removal will no longer be necessary? Hurrah! :D

Please, tell us everything you know about this. At least I am very interested, because I wouldn't want to risk a $1200 investment just like that. ;)

Btw, what's this talk about L3 cache on the FX-60 a few pages back? Just :banana::banana::banana::banana: chat, or?

nn_step

11-25-2005, 03:48 AM

AMD was testing out L3 with the 59 but there is no room on the die for L3 on the 60

LoKi2k

11-25-2005, 04:14 AM

when the fx60 will have 2,6ghz, whats about the 5000+ ? only the "redesigned" ihs? or perhaps 2x2048 l2-cache? or what?

krille

11-25-2005, 05:41 AM

when the fx60 will have 2,6ghz, whats about the 5000+ ? only the "redesigned" ihs? or perhaps 2x2048 l2-cache? or what?
4600 2x512 @ 2.4
4800 2x1024 @ 2.4
5000 should then be 2x512 @ 2.6
and fx60 2x1024 @ 2.6
unless there are plans for a 5200+ anytime soon?

btw, 2x2048 would probably put out way too much heat, lower yields, clocks and just be plain expensive, utterly large dies.

s7e9h3n

11-25-2005, 11:34 AM

4600 2x512 @ 2.4
4800 2x1024 @ 2.4
5000 should then be 2x512 @ 2.6
and fx60 2x1024 @ 2.6
unless there are plans for a 5200+ anytime soon?

btw, 2x2048 would probably put out way too much heat, lower yields, clocks and just be plain expensive, utterly large dies.
From what I hear, AMD's already working on a 2 x 3ghz cpu.........

krille

11-25-2005, 03:48 PM

From what I hear, AMD's already working on a 2 x 3ghz cpu.........I assume this would be FX-62 or FX-65 or something and for socket M2? Or...?

I mean, 2 x 3 Ghz stock! That's just... woah, and they were saying 1 x 3 Ghz wasn't cost-efficient...

nn_step

11-25-2005, 03:52 PM

There will not be a 3.0Ghz dual core..

[XC] leviathan18

11-25-2005, 04:37 PM

not in 90nm......

perhpas later in 64nm we will see faster amd

nn_step

11-25-2005, 05:04 PM

At this time such clock increases actualy negitively impact the thermal benefits that Amd has.. Untill They can fix that Don't expect that.. Oh and you guys might want to check out US patent number 6,800,933 ;)

edma2

11-25-2005, 05:16 PM

FX-60 skt939 will $$$ the same as the FX-57.

I remember seeing an AMD CPU chart one time...

FX-62= sktM2 2x2.8ghz
FX-64= sktM2 2x3.0ghz

nn_step

11-25-2005, 05:23 PM

Think again.. The midrange for M2 is 2.2Ghz in contrast with the 2.4Ghz for 939.. Every generation of AMD is going to be slower than the one before and still do just as well...

s7e9h3n

11-25-2005, 06:01 PM

FX-60 skt939 will $$$ the same as the FX-57.

I remember seeing an AMD CPU chart one time...

FX-62= sktM2 2x2.8ghz
FX-64= sktM2 2x3.0ghz
There won't be a FX62 or FX64, instead they'll be FX65, and FX70, etc....

And yes, they are working on a 2x3g core - but it may end up like the current 1x3g core FX which AMD is still complating releasing alongside the 2x2.6 FX60......

Dumo

11-26-2005, 02:40 AM

krille

11-26-2005, 06:15 AM

FX-60 skt939 will $$$ the same as the FX-57.

I remember seeing an AMD CPU chart one time...

FX-62= sktM2 2x2.8ghz
FX-64= sktM2 2x3.0ghz
Actually, the most obvious flaw is that the chart you saw seemed to follow 200 Mhz increments, while S939 uses 200 Mhz FSB (stock), M2 is supposed to use ~166.67 (with quad-pumped DDR2 = ~666.67), so it would rather be something like 2x ~2.84 and then ~3.006...uneven increments anyway (increase multiplier by one and you get 166.67 Mhz boost instead of 200).

krille

11-26-2005, 08:26 AM

What about the new IHS for FX-60? Any words on that?

Kanuck

11-26-2005, 01:34 PM

How well is M2 supposed to overclock? The same or better than 939? Also what about the heat, will that be about the same as 939.

And finally how long is M2's life supposed to be before we start seeing DDR3, PCI-E 2 etc...

biohead

11-26-2005, 02:28 PM

s7e9h3n

11-26-2005, 07:31 PM

Why not FX59 @ 3Ghz. Imo some of the late FX57 stepping qualify to run 15x200 stock. Remember this..and both are T chips...

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2227/immagine38gt7et.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6076/fx0513mpmw4hi4bw.jpg

FX55BN first production stepping is 0511, FX57BN first is 0512....
And core interlaped at 0513...speed binning process started...
The problem may just be the 15x200 Mult. I would think it would require a higher default Vcore as 3g is easy to reach 10x300, 11x273, 12x250, etc. for these cpu's. 15x, on the other hand, isn't the easiest mult to work with......

nn_step

11-26-2005, 07:44 PM

What about the new IHS for FX-60? Any words on that?
Well I already said it was covered in US patent number 6,800,933

LexDiamonds

11-26-2005, 07:55 PM

Well I already said it was covered in US patent number 6,800,933

Thats so helpful.. :rolleyes:

Essentially what it refers to is a peltier device on the CPU core. Interesting idea, but they would have to redefine the limits of peltier technology to make it practical. At this point in time there is no way a TEC along the sizes of a CPU die would be capable of moving that much heat. Also, remember that the net heat would be the total of the core heat dissapation PLUS whatever the TEC is rated at.

I can gauarentee this is tech will NOT be on the FX-60.

s7e9h3n

11-27-2005, 01:09 PM

The FX59 is officially dead. There's no plans for producting a single core 3Ghz cpu anymore from AMD. The next generation FX will now be the FX60 - 2x2.6G 1mb L2 Cache s939. The FX60 will be announced the day after CES ends (along with the plans for M2 - both s940 and s1207 versions.)

zir_blazer

11-27-2005, 01:35 PM

Actually, the most obvious flaw is that the chart you saw seemed to follow 200 Mhz increments, while S939 uses 200 Mhz FSB (stock), M2 is supposed to use ~166.67 (with quad-pumped DDR2 = ~666.67), so it would rather be something like 2x ~2.84 and then ~3.006...uneven increments anyway (increase multiplier by one and you get 166.67 Mhz boost instead of 200).
Its more probable that the Base Clock still being 200 MHz but uses Divisors to be compatible with both 533 MHz and 667 MHz Bus DDR-II Memory Modules like it does today with 266 MHz and 333 MHz Bus DDR Memory Modules. However, that is not related to the A64 FX-59/60 in any way...

Hound

11-27-2005, 04:39 PM

i would think that if intel decided to release the PM 2.4gig stock, (which it can do) then im pretty damn sure that AMD would decide to dig the FX-59 from its grave, and let er mow it down...

yeah, intel release a 2.4 dothan, amd needs to release something along the lines of 3.0ghz

nn_step

11-27-2005, 05:25 PM

think again.. AMD knows not to play the Clock speed game with intel..

Pjotr

11-28-2005, 11:25 AM

any news? is it 2,6 or 2,8 ghz? because there will come a 5000+. i think this cpu will have 2 x 2,6 ghz

2.6. 5000+ is 2.6, 2x512 L2.

There is no L3 plans until much later for future multicore CPUs.

There is no 2M L2 per core plans for the current CPUs.

Socket M2 is to get DDR-2.

nn_step

11-28-2005, 11:48 AM

M2 gets FB-Dimm

trakslacker

11-28-2005, 11:54 AM

that sucks about the FX-59. however, I'm really psyched about seeing the FX-60 push some new DC WR's on air, LN2, and everything inbetween. :)

[XC] leviathan18

11-28-2005, 11:55 AM

M2 gets FB-Dimm

m2 gets ddr2 M2 is 940 pin desktop cpus

s1 i think is the 1207 pin server cpus with FBDIMM

nn_step

11-28-2005, 12:02 PM

Socket F is 1207 and is FB-DIMM but M2 comes out after F so it is highly likely to be FB-DIMM

metro.cl

11-28-2005, 01:24 PM

i got info on the new fx-60 is gonna be a dual-core running at 2.6 ghz :)

RichUK

11-28-2005, 01:30 PM

i got info on the new fx-60 is gonna be a dual-core running at 2.6 ghz :)

I have screen shots of an FX60 OCed on stock volts ;)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/RichUK/crystal1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/RichUK/31051.jpg

i got these pictures from a reviewer who is under NDA, nearly a month ago.

Hound

11-28-2005, 02:34 PM

if thats stock volts :woot:
:owned:

thats some crazy stuff...although amd might have just sent out a 4800+ chip from the middle of the wafer... i hope not :D

and dude, there IS a reason why people are under NDA

physics_geek

11-28-2005, 10:19 PM

So, does some one know the exact launch date of FX-60? It's going to be in my new system.

Hound

11-28-2005, 10:27 PM

uh...Q2 2006 :D

btw, richUK what HTT does the CPU run @? 166, 200 or some other random timing?

physics_geek

11-28-2005, 10:43 PM

uh...Q2 2006 :D

Q2!? :eek:
I heard that it is early January.

nn_step

11-28-2005, 11:26 PM

uh...Q2 2006 :D

btw, richUK what HTT does the CPU run @? 166, 200 or some other random timing?
Correction Q1 of '06
but not January :fact:

physics_geek

11-29-2005, 12:29 AM

What's taking so long? They could just have launched it at Xmas straight ahead.

nn_step

11-29-2005, 12:30 AM

Except they had to put some finishing touches on it

Hound

11-29-2005, 02:37 AM

nn step, do you have any idea what the finishing touches could be?

btw, that bianary is annoying the hell out of me, how do i decode it? lol

chinkgai

11-29-2005, 04:06 AM

nn step, do you have any idea what the finishing touches could be?

btw, that bianary is annoying the hell out of me, how do i decode it? lol

i love unix fcukers

the last word is spelled correctly in the binary tho, i had to spell it incorrectly cuz of censoring here

metro.cl

11-29-2005, 05:32 AM

gonna be launched at january next year

Hound

11-29-2005, 05:39 AM

uh...win?

say, does it use 200HTT or 166?

physics_geek

11-29-2005, 06:27 AM

gonna be launched at january next year
WOO HOO!!! Some hopeful news! :banana: :banana: :banana:
OK, back on topic do you know the exact date?

s7e9h3n

11-29-2005, 11:12 AM

uh...win?

say, does it use 200HTT or 166?
It should be 13x200(x2), no reason it should be any different than prior x2's since it's still on s939. The thing that I find odd about those preview pics is the fact that the reviewer is using the x13.5. Could this cpu have finally fixed the 1/2 mult bug which has been on every A64 to date?

EDIT: Well I was curious if this cpu could run it's memory @ the right speed using 1/2 mult but I had no idea how CrystalMark works. Took a quick glance @ some stats in the user rankings and it looks as if there's still a bug with the memory speeds even with the FX60........

Ampz

11-29-2005, 01:13 PM

Someone buy me one! <3 u!

krille

11-29-2005, 02:09 PM

M2 gets FB-DimmAre you positive on this? Link? More info?

Btw, what's all this fuss about FB-Dimm anyway? Got any 'patent number' on this one (good links)? Isn't it the "DIMM" used in laptops currently? Thanks!

---

As for FX-60 release date
THE AMD FX-60 is due out in the second week of January.
http://www.theinq.com/?article=27718
Quite old news really, good to hear it's confirmed by our more... 'informed'... members. :D

metro.cl

11-29-2005, 09:22 PM

now its public:
http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D513544&prev=/language_tools

fx-60 its a dual-core @ 2.6ghz cpu

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1818/fx60cpuz6fo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

regards

Shinuza

11-29-2005, 09:41 PM

Dumo

11-29-2005, 09:49 PM

I hope its not the dreaded 0531 or newer :( ...Well then again its must be because its XXX2E.

krille

11-30-2005, 02:48 AM

Same here :

http://www.coolaler.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=285

Weird one can read fx-60 and the other can'tIn the coolaler screenie, CPU-Z 1.31 is used. In HKEPC's screenie CPU-Z 1.31.1 is used. ;)

I hope its not the dreaded 0531 or newer :( ...Well then again its must be because its XXX2E.XXX2E?
Either case, surely an FX must clock well. The word goes they're reaching almost 3Ghz in these (on air iirc), it was on early samples though.
early samples went to almost 3GHz on air
http://www.theinq.com/?article=27718

cadaveca

11-30-2005, 07:56 AM

fx-60 bios for DFI lanparty,SLi NF4(not expert):

HERE (http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/114/images/FX60TEST.zip)

This is what one had and the other did not.

CrashOv3r1De

11-30-2005, 12:30 PM

Cant wait for this badboy to be out :) Atleast it will be easier to buy it than it is to get a 7800Gtx 512mb

nn_step

11-30-2005, 12:40 PM

I want it badly

Gorod

11-30-2005, 02:18 PM

Sorry fo OT , just got my first FX57 and its CABNE 0530APMW - what u guys think , is it a good stepping and OCer ? And what about Cold Bug ? :)
I am going to play with it right now :woot: :)

Dumo

11-30-2005, 02:20 PM

Sorry fo OT , just got my first FX57 and its CABNE 0530APMW - what u guys think , is it a good stepping and OCer ? And what about Cold Bug ? :)
I am going to play with it right now :woot: :)Cold bug is still there, but its a good stepping for subzero...

Gorod

11-30-2005, 03:47 PM

Cold bug is still there, but its a good stepping for subzero... I am not going to use anything colder then DI next couple months anyway :) I was surprized to get that stepping from NewEgg , thought it will be a newer >0531 and higher , so i am very happy so far :) :toast: :D

krille

11-30-2005, 04:39 PM

Now how about creating a FX 60 countdown... thread, or renaming this one? Just a thought.

Btw I want it reaaaaal bad too, since my current just ain't too happy about oc'ing...

Dumo

11-30-2005, 05:00 PM

I am not going to use anything colder then DI next couple months anyway :) I was surprized to get that stepping from NewEgg , thought it will be a newer >0531 and higher , so i am very happy so far :) :toast: :DWhen you purchased it?

Gorod

11-30-2005, 06:51 PM

When you purchased it?

Placed my order on November 25-th , Friday , received it today :)
So far looks good , i am using OCCT Test to check stability right now (prime takes way too long ) :

Aircooling for now with Cooler Master Hyper 6 , normal room temp :

3010MHz @ 1.390V
3051MHz @ 1.408V
3108MHz @ 1.456V

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1552/3010mhz139v1ha.th.gif (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3010mhz139v1ha.gif)http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7884/3051mhz1408v8zp.th.gif (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3051mhz1408v8zp.gif)http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1346/3108mhz1456v6cu.th.gif (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3108mhz1456v6cu.gif)

Looks good so far ? :)

Dumo

11-30-2005, 09:50 PM

Looks awesome Gorod :toast:

Gorod

11-30-2005, 09:57 PM

Looks awesome Gorod :toast:

U think so Dumo ? :) I just never had an FX before thats why i am asking :)

Seems it wont go higher then 3.1GHz ( 1.456V ) @ Prime & OCCT stable , no matter what voltage i give it . I think it gets too hot with aircooling :rolleyes: Hopefully will try it under stock Vapo LS and DI soon :toast: So far i am very happy with it :toast: , its +300MHz stable above my Opteron 146 CABYE 0536 that managed "only" :D 2.8GHz @ 1.50V Max. prime stable

Some Super PI 32M :

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6509/24m31s8hw.th.gif (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24m31s8hw.gif)