Who wants P4GD1s in the US? I've got a plan...

[cirthix]

sorry, but there are no more p4gd1 boards :(
please stop asking about it :P



The estimated prices for the P4GD1 from cirthix is around 140$ shipped within the us or canada. These are retail boards, but prices will change (probably cheaper) based on how many people get these boards. If you are not in the us or canada, plase deal directly with saaya.

If you are serious in buying a board from me, post inthis thread and i will add you to the list below. This list is needed to guage interest and let me know how many boards to order from saaya.

If you need your board's bios flashed, I can do so. I dont know what bios the boards are shipping with, but if you need me to flash it to a dothan compatable one, all you have to do is ask :).




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all boards reserved!
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blue = boards sent

all the boards for you guys in the us were sent to cirthix on monday 21st
eshbach
evilspork
Movieman
bnice7
mikeguava
kainthelongshot
Cirthix
boshuter
schifter
TheLonelySwede
caater boards sent on monday 21st boards arrived
runmc (board+780ES sent+board for 16floz470ml sent to save shipping) monday 28th
Johnny Bravo (board sent) monday 28th boards arrived
sky (boards sent) monday 21st boards arrived
Frozendeath (boards sent) monday 28th
16floz470ml (board sent to runmc) monday 28th
cirthix (boards sent) monday 21st boards arrived
Ratax ojdr2001 and pedro rocha, i sent everything to ratax on monday 21st boards arrived
saaya boards arrived :P :D
ben babyelf and neova, boards sent to neova on thursday 1st boards arrived

update:
added wich boards arrived already

boards that have not been sent out yet:
there are 5 more boards i managed to get from com-texx wich went to bjonz,fewture,ojdr2001,neova,hipro5

vapor and bjonz, sending one box costs around 50€, i will send your boards and the 780ES for vapor together to vapor, ok?
i will get the board for you, bjonz, in 4 days, and will then send it all to vapor and he will send the board to you.

hipro5 im still waiting for the 3rd p4gd1 for you, will send the 3 boards plus the ct479 to you as soon as i get the extra 5 boards.

fewture will send the board plus the 780ES to you as soon as i get the extra 5 boards.





status of the boards:

10/27 29 boards reserved :yepp:
10/28 cirthix paypaled me the money for the us boards :yepp:
10/31 booked the money to my bank account :yepp:
11/5 money arrived on my bank account today! :yepp:
11/7 sent the money to the shop to pay for the boards :yepp:
11/9 money arrived at the shop :yepp:
11/10 shop sent out the boards :yepp:
11/12 boards arrived at my apartment :yepp:
11/21 boards sent out to cirthix :yepp:
11/28 boards sent out to runmc 16floz470ml caater johnny bravo sky frozendeath ratax pedro rocha ojdr2001 :yepp:
12/1 boards sent out to neova bluewonder and babyelf :yepp:
12/1 boards re-sent to ratax pedro rocha and ojdr2001 :yepp:
12/7 the last 5 boards arrived today :yepp:

[16floz470ml]

Another XS member from Europe is getting a board for me now. If it all works out he could be interested. I'll ask him. I'm sure there are a lot of people in the western hemisphere that would like to buy this board. I think that right now this is the best gaming setup you can get.

[Mats]

Hurry up, they're starting to disappear here in Europe too!
I think you get the best prices in Germany, found it for €90. But, only in one store (http://www.geizhals.at/eu/a131937.html)!
And this is a big shopping search engine, searching for P4P800 SE gives you 118 stores (http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a90117.html)!
I was looking for P4GD1 a couple of months ago and they were much easier to find back then.

[tonyl]

Great idea, coumt me in!

[IYP]

take that end () off your thread and youll be fine....i like the idea tho

[idiotec]

I would be interested. The P4GD1 is the better board right?

[railer]

il take one for $120 / $5 for ur tip. lol realy if i can get one in us for that much i will fdefinetly buy one. Butwe got to make sure we get revision 2. i heard some crap about revision 1 :D

[[KoG]^weaZel]

I would be interested as well. Maybe for a few of them if things worked out right.

[K.I.T.T.]

I would be willing to ship P4GPL-X's....Ive pm'd cirthix. Awaiting reply :)

[Cooper]

I would be willing to ship P4GPL-X's....Ive pm'd cirthix. Awaiting reply :)

Same here.
Waiting for P4GD1 to be back on stock.
One XS member already waiting for me to get him one P4GD1.

P.S. we have plenty of P4GPL-X on stock here.

[charlie]

The P4GPL-X is an excellent board, too...

C

[Raiden Zero]

++

afaik the only differences between p4gd1 and p4gpl-x are that the gd1 got 2 ram slots and sata controllers more than the gpl-x.

i wouldn't pay 30-40€/$ to get 2 more ramslots :)

raiden

[calcal]

please if you can them!!!!!!!!!!!!! count me in

im sure if some people back out on this it can easily get sold

[Lithan]

I looked into this and if done legitimately (paying all taxes and such), it comes out to almost $150 a board before paying shipping to the buyers. But good luck to you if you can do it cheaper. I might even take one (though I doubt it since I would kill myself for selling my 2.9ghz dothan only to buy the board who's unavailability made me sell the dothan).

[tonyl]

can't wait anymore, ordered one refurbishied p4p800se fro newegg.

[saaya]

P4GPL-X 68€
P4GD1 89€

with 10 pieces+ im sure i can get them to lower prices around 6€ for each board :)

[death metal]

These boards are too common around here =)....too bad, shipping it over there will almost double its cost...

[saaya]

These boards are too common around here =)....too bad, shipping it over there will almost double its cost...
around here? arent you from the us?

and shipping wouldnt double the price, i dont know about taxes but just shipping to the us alone will be ~10$ a board...

[Highland3r]

I'm in the UK, but I'd take a P4GD1 if there was a bulk order going in :)

[kiwi]

I might be interested in P4GD1 but I'd know for sure only next week because local hardware supplier might have this board. And I don't need it shipped to US.

[cirthix]

if you are in europe, you can still participate in the group buy, you just gotta ask saaya. you can still get and help us get the volume discount for the motherboards.

[Kamerat]

afaik the only differences between p4gd1 and p4gpl-x are that the gd1 got 2 ram slots and sata controllers more than the gpl-x.
Both the P4GD1 and P4GPL-X have four S-ATA connectors supported by the ICH6 southbridge. The P4GD1 got an additional P-ATA RAID controller, the iTE IT8212F PCI.

In other words it means that P4GD1 can take up to six P-ATA devices while the P4GPL-X only takes two. :)

[StixxX]

I want in!! I can't find any in Canada and even though my parents went to swiss and Spain..they couldn't get a hold of one..All the stores they went to said it was discontined!! So if there is a way..that will be really crazy...or else I am just going to wait for Yonah..lolz..but add me in the list if there is a way defenitely!!

BIG THANKS 4 THE GENIOUS IN THIS..IF ALL WORKS TO PLAN!!!! :woot: :clap:

ooo if this works a overclocked Dothan and a X1800XT overclocked.. :eek: ..That will show all my cousins from dissing my 2500 mobile.. :p:

[HKPolice]

I'm in if it runs 4x512MB UTT CH, does anyone know? :(

[cirthix]

hkpolice, the board should run 4 sticks of utt, probably at 2t and non-turbo settings. I dont know how well it would run them though. maybe someone else has tried it.. anyone? I'm curious too...

[kiwi]

Both the P4GD1 and P4GPL-X have four S-ATA connectors supported by the ICH6 southbridge. The P4GD1 got an additional P-ATA RAID controller, the iTE IT8212F PCI.

In other words it means that P4GD1 can take up to six P-ATA devices while the P4GPL-X only takes two. :)

I would be more interested what the difference is in terms of overclocking features/stability/options instead of the number of memory slots or SATA connectors. Can anyone comment on this please?

[death metal]

around here? arent you from the us?

and shipping wouldnt double the price, i dont know about taxes but just shipping to the us alone will be ~10$ a board...

Nope, am from Asia =)...shipping plus insurance plus tax plus custom duties, we have crappy laws in here :(...

[cirthix]

I would be more interested what the difference is in terms of overclocking features/stability/options instead of the number of memory slots or SATA connectors. Can anyone comment on this please?

From the results i've seen aroudn the forums, they both overclock about the same. They are on the same pcb and use (nearly, i think its a different revision or something, anyone know for sure?) the same chipset. IMO, the extra couple of bucks is worth the extra slots for ram.

[sky]

P4GPL-X 68€
P4GD1 89€

with 10 pieces+ im sure i can get them to lower prices around 6€ for each board :)

saaya,
are you going to try to get that rebate thing going? if so, count me in
with a few (3 or so) :D
btw.. there's one fella on the big e that has 50 p4gd1, at ~10 euro above
the price listed up there. the gpl-x seems to be fairly common, 58 shops
carry them supposedly, but only a handful show them as really available
(though the listing says "in stock").


charlie,
you did run both boards, right. which one felt better? the gpl-x is a kinda
stripped down gd1 with 2 ramslots missing and a few other things, like the
ide-raid and a slightly smaller nb-hs than the gd1. did you notice any real
differences in performance between the two?

[Raiden Zero]

Both the P4GD1 and P4GPL-X have four S-ATA connectors supported by the ICH6 southbridge. The P4GD1 got an additional P-ATA RAID controller, the iTE IT8212F PCI.

In other words it means that P4GD1 can take up to six P-ATA devices while the P4GPL-X only takes two. :)

Ah, ok... next time ill check my informations before writing sh*t in here^^

raiden

[saaya]

Both the P4GD1 and P4GPL-X have four S-ATA connectors supported by the ICH6 southbridge. The P4GD1 got an additional P-ATA RAID controller, the iTE IT8212F PCI.

In other words it means that P4GD1 can take up to six P-ATA devices while the P4GPL-X only takes two. :)

12 vs 4, no? you can hook up 2 devices per ide channel :D

[saaya]

saaya,
are you going to try to get that rebate thing going? if so, count me in
with a few (3 or so) :D
btw.. there's one fella on the big e that has 50 p4gd1, at ~10 euro above
the price listed up there. the gpl-x seems to be fairly common, 58 shops
carry them supposedly, but only a handful show them as really available
(though the listing says "in stock").


charlie,
you did run both boards, right. which one felt better? the gpl-x is a kinda
stripped down gd1 with 2 ramslots missing and a few other things, like the
ide-raid and a slightly smaller nb-hs than the gd1. did you notice any real
differences in performance between the two?

sure, i already called both the shops with the board in stock, the first has em for 89€ but only has 2 left as of today, the other store is reeaaallly crappy. lithan asked me to order 3 boards or so for him and friends some weeks ago and i called that shop. the owner is a greedy idiot, he wants 115€ for each board and he offered me a rebate of 2€ when buying 3 boards :slap:
so that second shop, the dolphin shop in austria is no alternative... very expensive, no rebate pretty much, only 3-5 boards, only expensive shipping options, doesnt accept paypal or credit cards, only bank transfair wich means it delays everything for a week :rolleyes:

i also saw the ebay offer, i already called them and expect them to call me back tomorrow with details :)
they have 50 boards, maybe even 100, and they offer them for 90€, im sure i can get a rebate from them :D
shops that use ebay tend to be more rebate friendly :D

Nope, am from Asia =)...shipping plus insurance plus tax plus custom duties, we have crappy laws in here :(...
but you live in the us?

btw, im focussing on the p4gd1, if you guys rather want the other board with only 2 ram slots then let me know. i could also buy some of both boards, send them all to cirthix or somebody else and he then distributes them. :)

[sang]

ive tried both boards with my previous 730.
Same hardware was used in the test,both mobos were Vmodded(chipset)
GD1 was going to 286 Pi 1MB stable (tightest bios settings for ram,2x256 BH-5,Vdd=1.97v)
GPL-X only 261 Pi 1MB stable.Cant run with Turbo though.And max Vdd was 1.72v.Any higher voltage-->coruption in desktop.

[calcal]

asus america will not support these boards am i correct?
Saaya you said there were only 2 left right from that cheap store? Are they going to have anymore in stock?

[StixxX]

Saya hope you do get a discount beacuse it is $127 jus for the board..It seems like it going to be one expensive mobo for me but in the end it should all be worth it.Keep us updated :cool: .Jus wondering how MUCH the P4GPL-X is? if there ain't much of a differnce between it and the p4gd1.Could save a couple bucks and need to cause I am poor student. :mad:

[Kamerat]

12 vs 4, no? you can hook up 2 devices per ide channel :D
The P4GPL-X only got one P-ATA connector. :)

[saaya]

only one pata slot??? lol, probably designed for home pc media center systems...

i dont think the shop with the 2 boards for 89€ will get more stock, but i sent them a mail just now. i think theres a good chance i can get a bunch of boards for 90€ or less from that other shop wich has 50 boards in stock and currently offers them for 100€

[Frozendeath]

I am very interested in 2 p4gd1's shipped to me in the US, I am willing to pay $200 max per board, however $150 per would be great. Please put me on this list :toast:

Keep us posted on this :)

[Highland3r]

Hrm just thought don't have a GFX card to run.... And with Yonah just around the corner..
Sorry to change me mind/muck things around :(

[calcal]

asus america will have not have support on these right?

[cirthix]

i'm gonna go call asus america now, hopefully they are open

edit: they werent open, damn. the boards should be supported, but i'll try calling again on monday.

[Lithan]

Sorry. As much as I want to, I really dont have the time to change platforms again. Not until dual core pm's are here.

[HKPolice]

Ok guess I'll take one then if you can ship to Canada, wouldn't it be cheaper for saaya to ship them directly to the buyers?

When will this get started?

[calcal]

cirthix, if asus america supports these boards count me in!

[sky]

Ok guess I'll take one then if you can ship to Canada, wouldn't it be cheaper for saaya to ship them directly to the buyers?

When will this get started?

that depends on when the guy / shop returns his questions and says yay
to the rebate we're asking for (if they do that, fingers crossed for them
doing it).
and shipping it to one place on your shores to do the redistribution is
way less hassle for saaya. just think of 20 parcels going overseas (usa /
canada). each needs a customs declaration done, etc.. that will take
quite some time - speaking of my own experiences here. also it *may*
(or may not) be cheaper to ship one big insured package instead of
20 smaller, but nontheless insured, packages. once they hit your shores
shipping them to their final destination should be considerably less.

this last paragraph is *my* estimation (not based on anything, but
probably commonsense, who knows <gg>)

[kiwi]

cirthix, if asus america supports these boards count me in!

Why would they not support? Don't they have a global warranty? At least asus notebooks have global warranty.

[Frozendeath]

I would expect that Asus as a whole would support the board. They did make it, and I do not think it matters what country it was bought in.

But we shall see :p:

[cirthix]

To answer your questions, shipping to me will cost about 60 usd for 10 boards. shipping from me to the rest of the us will cost about 10usd each. That brings the total shipping cost to about 16usd per board.

If saaya were to ship you a board directly for germany, it would cost about 40usd per board.

This is off of asus's GLOBAL support pagej, which can be found here.
http://support.asus.com/repair/repair.aspx?no=201&SLanguage=en-us

Note that in other categories, there are differences in the warranty depending on where you are. This is not true with motherboards :)


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[sky]

so i was right about the shipping, i guess. and if saaya would ship to me, it would
be about 8 bucks :D. for once being european, german even pwns :)

[saaya]

To answer your questions, shipping to me will cost about 60 usd for 10 boards. shipping from me to the rest of the us will cost about 10usd each. That brings the total shipping cost to about 16usd per board.

If saaya were to ship you a board directly for germany, it would cost about 40usd per board.i checked, more like 30$, but its still cheaper to send it all to you or somebody else and he then ships it internationally in the us.

good news everybody, i called the ebay dude and they are realy cool guys :D
he signed me up for 12 boards so far, and he lowered the price from 97€/board to 89€/board. the other shop has them for 89€ already in their shop, but they only have 1 or 2 boards left. less than 89€ would have been better of course, but this ebay dude was really nice so i didnt want to push it too hard, plus a rebate of 8€/10$ a board is pretty nice :)
and shipping to me will only be 10$ total! :D

i said i will call them agai and tell them how many boards i want on friday or monday next week. i should get the boards early next week and will send them out right away, so they will arrive at cirthix or whoever distributes the boards in the us by the end of next week or the beginning of the week after that :)

please ask everybody you know who might want to have a board too, the way it seems those are the last p4gd1s so they are going to extinct soon :D

[Frozendeath]

Great news saaya,

In regards to your PM, I am 100% sure I want 2 boards and at 89 euro each thats a great deal even with shipping to the US :woot:

[boshuter]

I'm in for one of these boards.... who do I need to contact...... saaya, you have a pm ;)

[cirthix]

boshuter, all of these boards are going through me. if you want one, i'll add you to the list no problem.

[boshuter]

boshuter, all of these boards are going through me. if you want one, i'll add you to the list no problem.

Just got through talking to saaya on yahoo im..... I'll be in contact with him later this evening and will find out what I need to do. I just want to make sure I get one.. ;)

[saaya]

dont forget that the 89€ isnt the whole price.
shipping to me will be practially zero, its 10$ for all the boards i want and its even insured :D so its less than 1$ per board hehe

but we still have to add shipping to the us, to cirthix, and then shipping to you guys.
shipping to cirthix will be 60€ i think, about 75$
dont know what shipping from cirthix to you guys will be then.
and we have to add paypal fees and currency convertion fees on paypal.

so its 89€ (107$)
plus paypal ??? 2%? so 2$ per board i think
plus shipping to cirthix 60€ i think, that would be around 5$ a board
plus shipping from cirthix to you, wich would be 15$ a board i guess

107
+2$
+5$
+15$

so it should be aroud 130$ a board. im not sure, it might as well be 140$, cirthix is going to figure out the shipping and paypal stuf and im going to figure out the shipping to cirthix and we will post the final costs then.

shipping to germany is of course cheaper, shipping to the rest of europe will probably cost the same as shipping to people in the us.

those are all just estimates, just to give you an idea of the costs :)
its nothing final yet! :D

[HKPolice]

I assume that we can pay you directly for the board + shipping to cirthrix in euros, then pay cirthix in USD for shipping from US?

dont forget that the 89€ isnt the whole price.
shipping to me will be practially zero, its 10$ for all the boards i want and its even insured :D so its less than 1$ per board hehe

but we still have to add shipping to the us, to cirthix, and then shipping to you guys.
shipping to cirthix will be 60€ i think, about 75$
dont know what shipping from cirthix to you guys will be then.
and we have to add paypal fees and currency convertion fees on paypal.

so its 89€ (107$)
plus paypal ??? 2%? so 2$ per board i think
plus shipping to cirthix 60€ i think, that would be around 5$ a board
plus shipping from cirthix to you, wich would be 15$ a board i guess

107
+2$
+5$
+15$

so it should be aroud 130$ a board. im not sure, it might as well be 140$, cirthix is going to figure out the shipping and paypal stuf and im going to figure out the shipping to cirthix and we will post the final costs then.

shipping to germany is of course cheaper, shipping to the rest of europe will probably cost the same as shipping to people in the us.

those are all just estimates, just to give you an idea of the costs :)
its nothing final yet! :D

[Frozendeath]

I was thinking more like pay Cirthrix the total amount via paypal in USD.

Then Cir can send the lump sum to saaya's paypal that way there is only 1 conversion from USD to euros.

It doesn't matter to me how it gets done, but I assumed that Cir would take the buyers money and then transfer that to Saaya.

[StixxX]

wow all in good timing too.I just sold two of my old socket A motherboard and got to get a few more bucks to get this board.It might expensive but then we are going to make it extinct..lol.. :cool: I am in for one p4gd1 for sure!!!Just tell me the final plan and I will pm who I need to and pay for who I need to.Saaya you are one smart ass :D Good Job MaN!!!

[runmc]

Count me in on one please. :D

[saaya]

I was thinking more like pay Cirthrix the total amount via paypal in USD.

Then Cir can send the lump sum to saaya's paypal that way there is only 1 conversion from USD to euros.

It doesn't matter to me how it gets done, but I assumed that Cir would take the buyers money and then transfer that to Saaya.

sounds perfect, me and cirthix had not figured this out yet, hope we can meet on msn tomorrow and discuss this and post the details then :)

[calcal]

Thats awesome news saaya! I really appreciate what your doing for us..thanks man


Cirthix im not really sure i want to get one yet because i dont have a pci-e videocard atm. Im going to try and find some nice 6800gt deals first.

[saaya]

some nice oc results you guys post will be reward enough for me :D
im glad i can help :)

hmmm hurry up! :P
i have to know if you really want a board for sue or not before friday if possible!

[calcal]

ok ill let u know by friday

[sky]

Thats awesome news saaya! I really appreciate what your doing for us..thanks man


Cirthix im not really sure i want to get one yet because i dont have a pci-e videocard atm. Im going to try and find some nice 6800gt deals first.

i don't yet have one either. and still did i order 2 boards for me, and maybe
another one for me and one for a friend who doesn't have a pci-e gfx-card
yet for all i know :)

[calcal]

is there a firm price on theese yet?

[cirthix]

we wont know firm prices untill i check on the usd to euro conversion costs, paypal costs, a final price on the boards, and a final shipping price. it will be about 140 usd, give or take a few.

as for payment.. here's how it will go down

saaya buys the boards.
i pay saaya for however many bards are beign shipped to me, plus the shipping and conversion and stuff.
once i get the mobos, i'll send them out individually after i receive the payment for them.
then you guys show us the nice oc results :)

[saaya]

no, not yet, cirthix wil figure out the paypal and shipping in the us thing and i will figure out the shipping to the us thing and we will chat and then post details here tomorrow if all goes as planned :)

i expect around 130$ a board as i posted earlier :)

[boshuter]

My 780es will be eternally gratefull to you both... :D

[leejsmith]

I just checked with a trade uk supplier i use for asus products and they said it's a discontinued product. The other asus trade supplier i use stoped listing them ages ago.
This could be discontinued in the uk but i would get them while you can.
shame i cant help you out.

[k|ngp|n]

THis is a great thing you guys are doing here. It's a shame that these boards arent available in the US. Dothan + p4gd1 + new ATI card's = BIG SINGLE CARD FUN :)
I was lucky enough to have my friend Andy(zakalwe) hook me up.

[mrlobber]

Dothan + p4gd1 + new ATI card's = BIG SINGLE CARD FUN :)

It's fun with single 7800GTX as well ;)

Btw, just to add, I once calculated the costs for shipping one P4GD1 to the U.S., and it was around $150 or even little more indeed. So saaya gives an insane price on them for you, and I hope you guys will get your boards and will be proud of them :D

[k|ngp|n]

It's fun with single 7800GTX as well ;)

Btw, just to add, I once calculated the costs for shipping one P4GD1 to the U.S., and it was around $150 or even little more indeed. So saaya gives an insane price on them for you, and I hope you guys will get your boards and will be proud of them :D

Agreed 100% Mr.L.... :)
You guys will love them with your dothans for 3dbenchmarking.

[Pressure]

Just wondering, how much would it cost to ship to Denmark?

[cirthix]

you gotta ask saaya about that. He is getting some boards so that he can distribute them in europe. The prices should be a fair bit lower than what the US people are paying. I'm guessing 105euros, but pm saaya.

[calcal]

It's fun with single 7800GTX as well ;)

Btw, just to add, I once calculated the costs for shipping one P4GD1 to the U.S., and it was around $150 or even little more indeed. So saaya gives an insane price on them for you, and I hope you guys will get your boards and will be proud of them :D
what kind of overclock can you get with your 740 and p4gd1 and got some 3dmarks?

[cirthix]

iirc, he had a thread with a ton of benches

[calcal]

links?

[schifter]

I want one of these. This is actually the board I was planning on using my dothan on until I realized I couldn't get one in the states.

[mrlobber]

links?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1008384#post1008384
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1084514#post1084514
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1097474#post1097474

There have been a lot better results from other people, though... (not to even mention Kingpins Dothan scores ;) ).

[saaya]

hey, sorry i was too busy last night, will wait for cirthix tonight to discuss all the details :)
ill be online on msn/yahoo/icq/aim so hit me up if you have any questions.

i talked to the guys from the shop today and they only have 24 boards left!
so they sold 26 boards in one week already... so i decided to order the board tomorrow already! that means i need to know how many board to order late tonight or early tomorrow morning!

if i dont get a clear confirmation about whether somebody wants a board or not i will NOT order one for him!
so to those who werent sure yet, please let me know asap!

and i have bad news for all of us :(
i heard that asus discontinued the ct-479... so the stores will run out of stock sooner or later. i think there are a bunch of them left in several shops, so no eed to panic, but if you want to buy one better buy one soon.
its just a rumor, dont know if its true... but i heard it from somebody who sells a lot of asus hardware so i tend to believe him.

EDIT: just called 3 shops in germany and together they have over 30 adapters in stock, so theres really no need to panic, the stocks should last for a few weeks, but as i said, if you want one better buy it soon as availability will get worse and prices might go up a little.

[saaya]

if anybody doesnt have paypal please try to find somebody whos account you can use, or sign up for an account yourself. i dont even have close to enough money to pay for 15 boards in advance, so if i dont get the money on paypal this week everything will delay for a few days wich would be annoying for everybody involved... :D

[mikeguava]

I'll take one for sure as well

[sky]

Elec999 (1) (tentative, waiting on pm)
calcal (1)(tentative, waiting on pm)
hmsrolst (1) (on anadtech forums)(tentative, waiting on pm)
Zbox (1) (on anadtech forums)(tentative, waiting on pm)


Cirthix (1)
HKPolice (1)
StixxX (1)
runmc(1)
Frozendeath (2)
16floz470ml(1)
boshuter(1)
sky(4-5) (european buyer, dont ship this board to me)
runmc (1-2)
mikeguava (1-2)

14 fo sure
20 eventually

just wanted to mention that runmc is listed 2 times up there.
so unless we have two runmc's around here..

oh and the mooolah for my 4 boards has just entered the german
banking system and should reach saaya whenever the banks
manage to pull off transfering the cash from my to his account.
yay! :toast:

[Fr3ak]

Sounds like a very nice deal, but unfortunately I can't affort another board/cpu atm :[ (apart from the fact that I already have 3 PC's which I don't really use :P ). But I also heart that production won't be continued, so this might be the last oportunity to get ahold of those boards...

[Frozendeath]

My friends got back to me,

I want 3 boards total now

also:

For us USA guys, who do we send payment to? I want to get this done asap, as I really need these 3 boards, do I paypal cir or saaya?

Please let me know, I will be on aim this evening hope to get this sorted out.

Please update my order to 3 boards

[saaya]

:doh: thx sky :lol:
ok, frozendeath, 3 boards it is :)

cirthix and me will meet online around 8 hours from now and will discuss the details.
i will then order the boards and we will pm you guys the details and collect shipping info etc.

bad news btw, a guy from hong kong told me the board is out of stock over there too, and another friend in australia with access to 2 distributors told me he cant find the board on any list there either, so it looks like those are actually some of, if not THE last stock of those boards worldwide :eek:

funny timing for a group order eh? :D
if cirthix would have come up with the idea one week later the boards would probably have already been sold out...

[calcal]

saaya i will not be buying one because there are not enough pci slots for me

there are only 3 on the board and i need four..

[cirthix]

As for payment, I will send saaya money and he will send me the appropriate number of boards. I will PM everyone who was interested in a board once I have them. Then, those who want them will PM me, we'll swap shipping info, then you send me a check or postal money order. Once I get your payment, I'll ship out your motherboard.

For those of you in Europe, please deal directly with saaya, I only am doing distribution to the US and Canada (others too, but you gotta talk with me about that).

You can contact me through a PM either here or on anandtech forums. My email address is cirthixAT REMOVEgmailDO.T com (sorry bout that, just trying to avoid spambots). You could also talk to me on aim, my sn is cirthix there as well.

I'd appreciate it if you left heatware after you have tested your board. My username there is cirthix as well.

calcal, 4 pci.. for what? the board has 8ch audio, raid onboard, onboard network... all i can think of is scsi, audio, and video input. I'm just curious...

[boshuter]

I'm definitley in for one..... just lmk when we are ready.. :D

[calcal]

calcal, 4 pci.. for what? the board has 8ch audio, raid onboard, onboard network... all i can think of is scsi, audio, and video input. I'm just curious...
lets see
1 for audigy 2 zs
1 for tv tuner card
1 for vantec dual fan vga cooler

thats 3 but i need an extra gap between the pci-e slot for nv5 heatsink
heres my current system and i need to have it this way

[saaya]

lol, why dont you just put a better cooler on your card? watercool it or ad an nv silencer...? well if you dont want a boardok, dont wanna push you into buying one, but this vantec card doesnt really make any sence imo... its just a waste of space. :D

[Johnny Bravo]

saaya any more boards left? I may snap one up for the UK :D

[cirthix]

yes, there are boards left. johnny bravo, please pm saaya.

[saaya]

gotcha covered johnny :bravo:

[Johnny Bravo]

Cheers Saaya :up:

[saaya]

we got a deal! :D just bought 20 boards :D

could only squeeze out another euro, but better than nothing :D
so its 88€ a board :)

cirthix will pay for all the boards in the us upfront, and i will pay for all the boards in europe upfront. i will send all us boards to cirthix, and once i received the payment i will ship out the boards to the european guys. cirthix will do the same, as soon as he received the payment he will send out the boards to the us folk :)

this way nobody will have any reason to feel trolled or ripped off, and its the fastest and easiest way to get the boards all shipped :)

there are still 2 boards left! there are 3 possible buyers who didnt decide in time, the first 2 people to pm cirthix will get them :D

[calcal]

lol, why dont you just put a better cooler on your card? watercool it or ad an nv silencer...? well if you dont want a boardok, dont wanna push you into buying one, but this vantec card doesnt really make any sence imo... its just a waste of space. :D
by removing the shroud of the nv5 my temps dropped about 10c :D
My idle temp on air is about 39 when i had my 6800 :(

im still a little tempted to buy one of these boards..how much is one in us money?

[cirthix]

it should be a little under 140

[runmc]

saaya I wanted two boards.

What is the schedule on this plan?
When do u pick them up and ship them?
How long will it take cirthix to get the boards?
Where does cirthix live and how long will it take for the boards to reach the customers?
What is a Paypal address?

[saaya]

saaya I wanted two boards.


the last time i asked you you said definately 1 and maybe 2 iirc.
cirthix made a mistake calculating the amount of boards, he only calculated 6 for europe when its actually 8.

and he also seems to have miscalculated the amount of boards overall, i see 21 boards asigned but we only have 20 ^^
the last board that was assigned will have t be cancelled then.
sorry for the inconvinience :(


What is the schedule on this plan?
When do u pick them up and ship them?
How long will it take cirthix to get the boards?
Where does cirthix live and how long will it take for the boards to reach the customers?
What is a Paypal address?


1. cirthix paypals me the money us money and the european guys paypal me the moey for their boards.
then i pay the shop, get the boards and distribute the boards. all the us boards get sent to cirthix who will then collect the money and distribute the boards in the us. just like i posted before, no change of plans :)

i already received money from hipro5 and sky, i expect the money from cithix today, since the shop unfortunately doesnt use paypal i will book the paypal money to my bank account. this should be done on wednesday next week (11-2), then i transfair the money to the shop. the guy was really cool and said he only needs a print out of the verification that i trasfaired the money and that they wont wait until the money is actually booked on their account. so this means they send out the boards the same day, wednesday next week (11-2) if all goes well. this means i probably get the boards on friday(11-4) or even thrusday(11-3) instead of the next week after that.

then i send the boards to hipro5, sky and johnny bravo and the rest of the boards to cirthix. the guys in europe should receive their boards between tuesday(11-8)to thursday(11-10).

cirthix should receive the boards at about that time as well. about how long it will take for the boards to ship from his place (hawaii) to the rest of the us, no idea... you gotta ask cirthix that.

what is a paypal address?
what do you mean? did you never hear of paypal?
www.paypal.com


so to sum it all up:

10-27 boards bought
10-28 cirthix paypals me the money for the us boards
10-28 i book the money to my bank account
10-29 wait for paypal
10-30 wait for paypal
10-31 wait for paypal
11-01 wait for paypal
11-02 money arrives on my bank account (paypal takes 3-4work days for this :rolleyes: )
11-02 i pay the shop and send them a copy of the sent verification
11-02 they ship out the boards
11-03 i receive the boards and distribute them
11-04 i receive the boards and distribute them
11-05 boards enjoy their trip
11-06 boards enjoy their trip
11-07 boards enjoy their trip
11-08 boards should arrive (sky, because hes in germany too)
11-09 boards should arrive (cirthix hawaii +hipro5 greece +johnny bravo scottland)
11-10 boards should arrive (cirthix hawaii +hipro5 greece +johnny bravo scottland)
11-11 boards should arrive (cirthix hawaii +hipro5 greece +johnny bravo scottland)

how long it will take from cirthix to you is a question i cant answer... i expect 2-4 days, so you should all get your boards between 11-11 and 11-17.
so in 2 weeks from now.

you might get the boards around one week earlier if i ship them to you directly and send them via air mail, but it would cost you additional 15€/20$...

[runmc]

NP if I only get one board. You said you had extra, so I was trying to help out so no one would get stuck with boards.

what is a paypal address?
what do you mean? did you never hear of paypal?

Heck yes I've heard of Paypal :D

What is the Paypal address that the guys from USA send their money? :idea:

I wouldn't mind paying extra shipping for you to send me my mobo directly. ;)

[saaya]

dont know about the paypal address of cirthix, you need to ask cirthix, i suggest you pm him :)

if you want the board sent from me directly hit me up on msn :)

since we have 20 boards and theres demand for at least 22 boards i will call the shop again tomorrow and see if i can get more boards added :D

[Intrepid2NV]

Are their any boards remaining? Doesn't seem like it, but if there is I would like to get one.

[saaya]

atm no, ron is only getting one board now instead of two, so everybody can get a board :)

but as i said i will call the shop again tomorrow and maybe there are a few boards left :)

[Intrepid2NV]

All right, well if you can get more , I would like one. If not, thanks anyway. :D

[runmc]

I dropped my order to one board so someone else could get one. If there are any left over, I will take another.

[saaya]

no, cirthix mixed up the numbers somehow. we have 20 boards and there were 22 boards assigned to people, then hkpolice bailed out and you ron gave up your second board, so now were at 20/20 :)

no board left over, sorry Intrepid2NV :(

shop is closed today... will call on monday and try to get a few more, but i dont have a lot of hope left...

[TheLonelySwede]

Put me on that waiting list please!!@! this little monkey wants a p4gd1 sooooo bad.... :slobber:

[saaya]

done :)

[Detract]

Wouldn't mind one either.

[saaya]

did you email me detract?

[Detract]

No, was just going to wait until the next bulk buy if it happens.

[saaya]

ok, yet another one interested then :D

[saaya]

hmmm is anybody interested in having the pentium m bios flashed to their board before i ship it to them? i need to find a 478 p4 to flash the pentium m bios on my board, thougt id ask if anybody else is interested so you guys dont have to go out looking for one too :)

[Detract]

Whats the ETA of the next bulk order?

[saaya]

ill call the shop again on monday, like i posted ;) read the thread :P
looks not very good, there are probably no boards left... :(

but ill give it a try anyways and maybe you guys are lucky :)

[boshuter]

ill call the shop again on monday, like i posted ;) read the thread :P
looks not very good, there are probably no boards left... :(

but ill give it a try anyways and maybe you guys are lucky :)

I got lucky once.....but it was so long ago I forgot what it felt like ;)

[sky]

hmmm is anybody interested in having the pentium m bios flashed to their board before i ship it to them? i need to find a 478 p4 to flash the pentium m bios on my board, thougt id ask if anybody else is interested so you guys dont have to go out looking for one too :)

me me me, all four of them ;)

@detract,
from what i read here it's highly unlike that there's going to be another
bulkorder as the boards seem to be out of production. and what we're
trying to rake up here is possibly the very last few available boards of
an altogether rare board to begin with.

[saaya]

yeah... there are no boards left in asia according to a friend in aussieland...
none in the us, and none in europe... maybe a truck full with p4gd1s on its way to eruope was frozen on a road in sibiria, but i doubt it :D

[saaya]

hmmm bad news sorta, cirthix is going to use the paypal account of his buddy and it seems they will upload money from their bank account on monday!
this means cirthix cant send me the money right away because if you upload it from your bank account it takes 3-4 work days until it arrives on the paypal account.

so the money will arrive on wednesday to thursday and then they can send me the money! thats a nasty delay, so im probably going to ask my roomate to borrow me some money and i will pay for all the boards in advance then, so we dont have a delay and i receive and can ship out the boards as planned :)

uhmmm doesnt the pentium m bios work with 478 cpus too?
so i guess ill just flash the bios to all boards, right?
if somebody doesnt want it he can flash to another bios as soon as he gets the board :)

[Ratax]

I would like to have one board too. I live in Portugal and I'm only interested if someone inside EU ship one to me because custom taxes.
Please put me in the waiting list if possible.
If you can get me the board, it's possible to get an CT-479 adapter too?
Regards!

[Frozendeath]

pentium m bios being the 1006 release?

I heard the 1007 does not support the adapter, strange that they would take that support out of the latest and greatest bios, but anyway I do not need my 3 boards flashed if it saves you time. These boards will be tested with northwoods, so I can flash them later.

Just wanted to clarify that, if your flashing all of them go for it, however, you do not need to open 3 of them for me.

[saaya]

Ratax added to the list
ok frozendeath, got it :)

[NoX]

I would like to be added to the waiting list as well. Plz :)

[saaya]

good new guys!

caater hooked me up with a shop here in germany that had 3 boards left. bought them all just now :D he wants two of those but now theres one more board, yay :woot:

aaaand the same shop i bought the boards from happened to just put 10 boards on ebay again today, so some deal they made seems to have been blown and they had 10 boards left. one was already sold but i bought the last 10 boards on ebay, so now we have 10 more boards!

i told you, dont give up hopes :D

looks like everybody will get a p4gd1 after all! :banana:

[sky]

hail the king! :D

so my glassball tells me there's going to be some massive dothan
pwnage up ahead in the very near future...

now the only question left unanswered is this... do we get our own
3d-team subdivision?

:woot: :toast: :slobber:

[saaya]

heheh nice idea :D
we should def make some sort of competition with all the boards :D

[boshuter]

Hey saaya..... I found a 478cpu locally I can use to flash my board so you don't really need to do it. No sense you having to open all those boards and flash them, that will take a lot of time and you all are doing enough now.. :toast:

[cirthix]

if someone needs their board flashed, i can do so, i've got an extra p4

[StixxX]

yes cirthix can I get my mobo flashed.Don't have no Intel cpu.Thanks ;)

[saaya]

all boards unless asked otherwise, so frozendeath and boshuter not flashed others yes. :)

[Vapor]

Please add me to the list....for a flashed board :D

[saaya]

done :)

[Helics]

Is there any boards left?
i tried to find one here in australia, but had no luck at all, so is it possible to get one if there are any left?

[cirthix]

helics, please PM saaya, he is in control of all the non-us/canada boards.

[saaya]

no boards left...

[saaya]

there was a 3day delay because cithix had a problem with his/his buddies paypal account.

this means money should arrive on monday-07/tuesday-08 on my bank account... thats next week...
so i will try to pay for the boards this week though by lending money from a friend.

will post updates

[saaya]

as you know i made a deal for 20 boards with the shop, later they managed to get some more boards and put them on ebay. i bought all boards that were left, wich was 9. but the price was 97€ and not 88€ again...

i had hoped that they would be nice and give me those extra boards for 88€ too, but i wasnt sure... i talked to them today and got it confirmed, they will cost only 88€ as well! :)

the guys from that shop are really nice :)
they will call me as soon as they get more boards :D

but it doesnt look good... its not impossible though!
so if you really want one subscribe to this thread and maybe there will be a second wave of boards comming :)

[kiwi]

All boards reserved? It would be nice if you informed us when boards are available again.

Thanks a lot :)

[charlie]

P4GPL-X certainly are NOT bad either...

How's the availability of THEM over there??

C

[sky]

judging by the various shop listings, i'd say fairly good

link (http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a141772.html)
green =available, yellow=maybe ;)

[kiwi]

P4GPL-X is available. One could do a vdimm mod + PSU with adjustable rails and voila - no need for extra RAM slots for booster. Not sure about other features vs P4gd1.

[charlie]

that's pretty good, 70-90 Euro's....

C

[boshuter]

The Ram performance etc is mutch better om P4GD1. The P4GPL-X is a sort of "light" version, but easy to get, and not expensive.

This is a quote from "Tom Holck" from this thread...which board? (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1072065#post1072065)

Of course if the P4GD1 is gone then the other is the second best choice.. :)

[death metal]

Woot, good to see you guys getting things sorted out. Hope you get a good board like mine that can do 1066FSB (266FSB) without any adjustment :) (http://sleektech.nl/~dm/review/asus/mb/p4dg1/images/1066fsb.jpg). My Pentium M 730 (1.6/533) hits 2.7Ghz on this board hits, benchable, on stock cooling (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=32305)

[V I P E R]

I'm from Bulgaria and here I can find as many boards as I want.
We have the following models:
ASUS P5GD1-VM/LGA775/915G/DDR
ASUS P5GD1-VM/GB/1394 /LGA775
ASUS P5GDC-V DELUXE/775/I915G
ASUS P5GD1/LGA775/915P/DDR400
ASUS P5GD1 PRO/LGA775/915P/DDR

If somebody wants a board like this I will be glad to help.

[Ratax]

I'm from Bulgaria and here I can find as many boards as I want.
We have the following models:
ASUS P5GD1-VM/LGA775/915G/DDR
ASUS P5GD1-VM/GB/1394 /LGA775
ASUS P5GDC-V DELUXE/775/I915G
ASUS P5GD1/LGA775/915P/DDR400
ASUS P5GD1 PRO/LGA775/915P/DDR

If somebody wants a board like this I will be glad to help.

We are talking about P4Gxx series that are with socket478, not those P5GDx ones that are for LGA775 and are still easy to get these days.

[V I P E R]

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I checked one more time and found this ASUS P4GPL-X/915PL/S478

[Evil_Spork]

heheh nice idea :D
we should def make some sort of competition with all the boards :D
haha.l.. wheres the contest in that! we already know whos gunna win :rolleyes: :p:


eshbach and me!!!

[cirthix]

oops, i let my pm box get full. if you pm'd me in the past 2 days, could you re-send it please?

[boshuter]

Got my CT-479 today, have my 4000 VX, and a dothan es sitting here.... I'm ready :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Drakey]

Put my in the line for a p4gd1 pls

i found a few sites still selling

http://www.pcbox.at/assets/s2dmain.html?http://www.pcbox.at/50075096000ee4606/50075096070f12408/50075096070f19e10/

http://comtexxde.h129434.serverkompetenz.net/product_info.php?products_id=316&osCsid=0b3ca505902f05c80210da2b679b9747

http://2buy-it.de/product_info.php?products_id=1242&osCsid=7a103e7c6ae1367f8dc6ae460baf5f48 <159.99eur :(

/me want mobo

[\Karting_freak]

everyone, who'd like to get this board just pm me.

EDIT: no selling outside the classies
-saaya

[saaya]

haha.l.. wheres the contest in that! we already know whos gunna win :rolleyes: :p:


eshbach and me!!!

bring it on :D

[saaya]

everyone, who'd like to get this board just pm me.
thats a good price!
but please post about this in the classies or deal via pm.
this is thread is an exception to this rule, usually no selling outside the classies is allowed.

if you want to make a group buy then pm me.
i can only wanr you guys to be carefull, ask for as many infos as possible when taking part in a group buy. im very glad you guys trust me that much with this group buy, but at the same time im a little worried. please be carefull.

no offense \carting_freak, this isnt a warning for dealing with you, its a warning towards dealing in general, and especially when making group buys. :)

[ociFalcon]

hey you guys, does someone know a droop-mod for p4gd1 ? the voltages arent really stable , they are changing all the time ... some friend of mine (from hardwareluxx) took a multimeter and looked after vcore messure point on board. he found that the vcore drops (0,1v !!!!) in the moment the cpu will be used 100% (for e.g. prime or superpi .. )

maybewe have to work out a vdroopmod for p4gd1 if there isnt anyone existing..
(sorry for my bad english)

[saaya]

check the list, hipro5 (2), do i have to say more? :D

[cirthix]

saaya has ordered the boards and sent payment :).

do his edits to the op even show up under the edited by X at X:XX? i still see my edit from the first but it looks as if he's updated it. anyways, things are going along as planned :)

[Frozendeath]

Great News Cir,

Hopefully saaya will get the boards tomorrow, and their journey can begin :p:

[TheLonelySwede]

::dances:: Thanks for setting this up guys!!! :)

[Drakey]

any1 thinking of getting a board from \carting_freak??

[en4cer]

Put me on the list if still possible :)

I'm building a dothan rig now and i want to get one of these while there still available.

[adas]

I have been thinking about this board for a while....And, if possible, I would like to be on the list too if any more boards come up :)

Maybe even someone could mod it for me too :D

[k|ngp|n]

p4gd1 can run some nice bus speeds with little effort. I really like my board and wish I hadn't sold my backup :)
Cool air with 780m and hyper6 hsf
win2k and no maxmem tweak:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/8242801/118190759.jpg

Default gtx clocks:
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/8242801/118190763.jpg
275 bus speed with 3850+ would be pretty serious for 3d.

Once you guys start to get your boards....post up your highest bus oc's for 2d and 3d.

[cirthix]

sorry guys, i've only got 11 mobos coming to me and people have claimed them all already.

[16floz470ml]

Hey Kingpin you have a really nice rig. I am getting the asus board too. :) Are you using eist to lower your multiplier? If so how does that work out. Is it just as good as a bios setting?

[RoyaL]

Hey Kingpin you have a really nice rig. I am getting the asus board too. :) Are you using eist to lower your multiplier? If so how does that work out. Is it just as good as a bios setting?

it's the only way to lower the multiplier on gd1(eist)

I think the mobo is good for a daily use,but for benchies is quite slow..875 is definitely better. BUT if u need pci-e and dothan..fortunately I don't :D

[railer]

so wait you cant change multy in bios then it means you dont have to boot 17x200 in the case you have 780pm? AS far as i now 17 would be the only multy available in bios. And it would be a problem booting @3.4g on air. So how are you booting 17x what? and how you getting 1:1 kingpin?

[k|ngp|n]

This particular 780m needs sub zero evap temps to boot up at 3400mhz (200x17). Not happening on air or cold water even.
For air overclocking and reaching high bus speeds in general, the trick is finding the right combination of pci-e frequency and bus speed for booting into windows.... as well as getting higher clocks to fly with clockgen adjustments. I wouldn't want to spoil the fun. It's not too tough to figure out.

[boshuter]

Will I be able to change multi's with my ES cpu?

[Frozendeath]

I plan on testing the board on my p4 3.2e (sl7b8 which can do the 14 or 16 multi :D ). Does anyone know, will the p4gd1 have the option to switch those multipliers like the P4C800 and IC7-G did ?

I guess that was some special bios code manipulating speedstep or something like that, would be nice if the gd1 did the same thing.

[RoyaL]

so wait you cant change multy in bios then it means you dont have to boot 17x200 in the case you have 780pm? AS far as i now 17 would be the only multy available in bios. And it would be a problem booting @3.4g on air. So how are you booting 17x what? and how you getting 1:1 kingpin?
you don't necceseraly need to boot at 200
u should go something like 160*17 to boot then lower the multi with eist and raise the fsb with clockgen..
Asus will release another bios for the board,let's pray for the best :)
too bad the chipset 915 is slow.. :(
the board would be perfect with decent preformance&fix ..

[saaya]

good news! the boards just arived!!! :D
will post pics soon :D

why is the 915 chipset slow?
please explain.

and on any pentium m you should be able to use a "U wiremod" to hardlock the multiplier inside the socket, no?

[cirthix]

oooo, dude, you gotta post pics drooolllllll. the i915 is a good chipset, i think they are referrig to its lack of pat (i dont think it has pat, but i hope i'm wrong).

on dothans, there isnt a set bunch of pins for the multiplier control like on axps, its in the registers of the chipset iirc.

[saaya]

oooo, dude, you gotta post pics drooolllllll. the i915 is a good chipset, i think they are referrig to its lack of pat (i dont think it has pat, but i hope i'm wrong).

on dothans, there isnt a set bunch of pins for the multiplier control like on axps, its in the registers of the chipset iirc.
iirc dothan does have pins to assign multipliers and core and fsb, just like any other cpu as well. the question is whether modding them will have any effect... but it should work...

have to clean up my room a lil first before i can post pics :sofa: heheh

[caater]

iirc dothan does have pins to assign multipliers and core and fsb, just like any other cpu as well. the question is whether modding them will have any effect...
actually it has pins for fsb only.. multiplier is via software..
i guess when we all have our boards, we need to start serious spam campaign for asus to implement multi control in p4gd1 bios :D

[runmc]

have to clean up my room a lil first before i can post pics :sofa: heheh

Just push some crap out of the way and take some pics. I want to see my board with wrapping paper, and a shipping label on it. :woot: Never mind that - show me the tracking number. :banana:
Thanks for all your hard work cirthix and saaya :toast:

[sky]

me wannse some pics.. :)

oh and if the p4gd1 doesn't have pat.. oh my, i'm used to boards like that, so hey,
bring it on :D

[Frozendeath]

No pat and pcie is better than pat with agp :D

But I too hope that a bios comes out with multi changing options.

[railer]

you are all lucky bastards............ I couldnt afford one this time:mad:. I might part out my sys later and still get one after new year. Well good luck to you all who ever got this board and lets see some overclocking ;)

[RoyaL]

why is the 915 chipset slow?
please explain.

check out the huge performence differences between 875 and 915.
U don't have pat ,u can't touch the alfa timings,bios must be improved.. I mean the board is good for a kickass gaming macchine(dothan+latest VGA on Pci-e rocks) or daily use.

[saaya]

actually it has pins for fsb only.. multiplier is via software..
i guess when we all have our boards, we need to start serious spam campaign for asus to implement multi control in p4gd1 bios :D

hmmm well then p4 doesnt have pins for multipliers either.
i compared the functional pins of a penitum 4 and a pentium m about 2 years ago when i started working on a pentium m adapter :D
http://members.dodo.com.au/~cameron111/projects/viewer_originated/1a_pm_to_p4_framgen_main.htm
i looked at the pin layouts i made back then and couldnt find any multiplier pins, so i guess your right :/

and maybe we dont need a spam compaign, maybe we can just get the bios modded by tony and the multi option unlocked :)

Just push some crap out of the way and take some pics. I want to see my board with wrapping paper, and a shipping label on it. :woot: Never mind that - show me the tracking number. :banana:
Thanks for all your hard work cirthix and saaya :toast:
nah, too lazy :D
decided to take the pics in the room of a roomate hahah :D

check out the huge performence differences between 875 and 915.
U don't have pat ,u can't touch the alfa timings,bios must be improved.. I mean the board is good for a kickass gaming macchine(dothan+latest VGA on Pci-e rocks) or daily use.i havent see a direct compare between 915 and 865/875 yet... got any links?

and maybe hipro can help us to tweak the alfa timings and tweak the board :D
ill also ask cpulloverclock, maybe he can modify his 875 tweaker tool :D

pics will be here in a second :D

[saaya]

in case anybody wonders, jupp, thats 32 boards and not 29, caater linked to some other shop i germany that had 3 boards left last week. they dont ship to his country so i bought them for him. the shop had a different price for the boards, so to not make things complicated i didnt count those 3 boards as part of the group order.

anyways, here are the pics :D

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5733/pict00028cm.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00028cm.jpg) http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4875/pict00108tv.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00108tv.jpg) http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3359/pict00148br.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00148br.jpg)


http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/158/pict00257ji.th.jpg (http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00257ji.jpg) http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3682/pict00271ne.th.jpg (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00271ne.jpg)

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/4459/pict00309ir.th.jpg (http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00309ir.jpg) http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/5840/pict00339eu.th.jpg (http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00339eu.jpg)

:woot:

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/1412/pict00365qt.th.jpg (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00365qt.jpg) http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/7628/pict00375js.th.jpg (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00375js.jpg) http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/8536/pict00418wx.th.jpg (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00418wx.jpg) http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/4918/pict00428ah.th.jpg (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00428ah.jpg)


me n the boards :D

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/9928/pict00528uu.th.jpg (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00528uu.jpg)

[2fink]

:woot: never seen so much boards ;)

[k|ngp|n]

Thats sick dude!!! rofl

[sky]

PR0N!
this case has just been rated x, for mature audiences only.. :D

[harleybro]

WOW thata just insane! :slobber:

[STEvil]

lmao, reminds me of the pics from macci or opp and the abit kx7's or whatever it was that were popular at the time :D

[RoyaL]

watta cute administrator we got! :D

i know,i know..that was gay :D

anyway an alfa tweaker for 915 would be great!

[MeltedDuron]

if anybody bought more than one and wants to sell one to me, PM me (damn I missed out)

[Johnny Bravo]

WOW! Didn;t your postman FREAK OUT?!?!

[saaya]

watta cute administrator we got! :D
:hrhr: and im not even wearing any make up or my favourite dress ;)

WOW! Didn;t your postman FREAK OUT?!?!
we already know each others names :D
i get a load of stuff sent it heheh :D
not the first time i order hardware for people, but yeah, he asked me if i finally opened my hardware shop when he delivered those boxes :D

[Frozendeath]

Awesome pics, lol @ the old school XS logo made of p4gd1's :woot:

Can't wait to OC these beasts :)

[chilly1]

Great job sayya... I like the logo!

[saaya]

Great job sayya... I like the logo!
thx :D

[Fr3ak]

Lmao, nice logo :D
You have way too much spare time ;)

[railer]

hehe nice going did you try thre domino effect. :D

[saaya]

hehe nice going did you try thre domino effect. :D
lol, i dont wanna upset anybody by throwing the boards around ^^

they all sem to be rev1.03 btw, is that good?

[mikeguava]

Looks like your about 30 boards tall - what a nice sight! Can't wait to see all those babies all going!

[Fred_Pohl]

in case anybody wonders, jupp, thats 32 boards and not 29, caater linked to some other shop i germany that had 3 boards left last week. they dont ship to his country so i bought them for him. the shop had a different price for the boards, so to not make things complicated i didnt count those 3 boards as part of the group order.

I've been following this thread for a few days now and searching all over for a P4GD1 with no luck. I am very interested in buying one if you have any available. I'm in the US, btw. TIA

[runmc]

You are easily ammused saaya :D

Do you have any pics of yourself dressed up with makeup. I'm interested.. ;)

[Ratax]

Cool!

Can't wait to receive my goods...

Thanks for all this "trouble" guys :clap:

[cirthix]

hahah, awesome pics!

[Liquid3D]

i havent see a direct compare between 915 and 865/875 yet... got any links?....

Yes I have a review found HERE (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1134802&postcount=204)....


"The 875 outperforms the 915 because I saaya it do" :slapass:

BTW can we see you in Drag?

[Evil_Spork]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice pics saaaaaaaaya

[BlueWonder]

Nice pics'n all... but man, I pitty the poor board on the bottom of the stack. Lol, BAGS THE ONE ON TOP!!!!

[cirthix]

bah! you guys filled up my pm box again. i cleand it out, ready to take on another 297pms.

[saaya]

You are easily ammused saaya :D

Do you have any pics of yourself dressed up with makeup. I'm interested.. ;)
john (pythagoras) has some of those pics, ask him ;)
Yes I have a review found HERE (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1134802&postcount=204)....


"The 875 outperforms the 915 because I saaya it do" :slapass:

BTW can we see you in Drag?
ask john :D
nice review :P thx :toast:

oh and for all people pming me :P
those boards are all already sold!
read the thread, i ordered them for members of this forum, im not selling them :) im just hooking them up with a local shop who had some of the last stock of theese boards :D

there are some p4gd1 boards left in communist errr dictator controller errrr free russia :D :lol:
those are the very last stock worlwide it seems...
but corruption seems to be still a major issue so you have to pay the right people so the boards dont get "lost" when shipped outisde of russia, wich is a few hundret bugs appearently :/

will see if i can find something... i know 2 people who travel from moskau to germany ever couple of months, one of them is a professor with a geek son hehehe
hes been bringing hardware with him to russia a couple of times already, ill ask him if he can help me :)

[saaya]

ive got some good news and some bad news :D
bad news, shipping the 11 boards to cirthix is more complicated than we thougt.
11 boards are around 17Kilos, a box between 10 and 20 kilos to the us costs 60€. thats the price we calculated with. BUT it turns out that this is shipping via ship! wich means it would take some weeks :/

to make it go via airmail it would cost another 64€ extra, so 124€ for shipping those 11 boards. thats around 8$ more shipping for each board...

now i checked the weight and the boards alone actually only weight around 700gr each, so thats 8 kilso for just the boards... this means i could put all the boards wrapped in this air-bag foil and put them in one box and itll most likely be eblow 10kg.

10kg to the us costs 30€ and 67€ via airmail... so that would be the same shipping cost cirthix and me already calculated with, BUT you wouldnt get the cables and manual and wouldnt get the original asus mainboard box either...

i can probably send a few cables in case somebody really needs them, but overall almost everybody would have to agree that they get no cables/manual/asus mobo box.

if 10 or 9 people say its ok, then i will send the boards without cables manual and asus mobo box, wich would mean no extra shipping.
if more than 1-2 people want the cables etc, then itll be around 8$ extra shipping for each mainboard.

to keep this simple, if you dont care about the cables etc, then dont do anything, if you would rather want the cables manual mobo box, then please pm cirthix about this.
that way we can quickly check if there are more than 2 people who would prefer the cables :)

to make this decision as easy as possible for you i made pics of what we are actually talking about here:
4 sata cables, 2 pata cables, one floppy cable, one (heavy :D) manual, one cd, one case sticker (ill send you the sticker either way :D) one printer port thing and one usb/firewire/game port blade thing... :D

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3540/pict00693rr.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00693rr.jpg) http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/2779/pict00706hm.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict00706hm.jpg)




now the good news!!! :D
i asked cpulloverclock about the 865/875 chipset tweaker (like the a64 tweaker but for intel) and he said franck from cpuz actually wrote it. franck is a friend of me and i asked him about it, and he liked this group order idea and said he will support us by writing an app to tweak the p4gd1 boards in windows :woot:

it would actually be a 915 tweaker and will probably work with other 915 and maybe even 925 boards as well :)

[mikeguava]

Well, the good news is great! AND the bad news isn't too bad , besides IO shields who really cares about the other crap? The USB/ serial port might be usual for some peeps, but other than that I think we'd all be fine.

Manual, I assume can be downloaded as well as drivers.

[Johnny Bravo]

just to clarify Saaya, this is only affecting the US side of the operation, or will the weight issue also affect us european customers ?

[saaya]

no, im sending your boards all one by one, and the weight for a single box is 2kg max and a board doesnt weight that much :)

[boshuter]

Either way doesn't matter to me. I'd pay the extra shipping if people want the full package but I don't care for myself. I would like to have the IO sheild, allthough I probably won't be using it either.

The only thing that concerns me is the packaging, it seeml like it's going to be a LOT of trouble for you to package that many mb's well enough to prevent damage without the original boxes. You've done a great job with this so far, so I'll go with your decision.. :toast:

[TheLonelySwede]

I'll pay the extra 8 bucks for getting my box and cables. What's 8 bucks on top of 150?

[k|ngp|n]

ive

now the good news!!! :D
i asked cpulloverclock about the 865/875 chipset tweaker (like the a64 tweaker but for intel) and he said franck from cpuz actually wrote it. franck is a friend of me and i asked him about it, and he liked this group order idea and said he will support us by writing an app to tweak the p4gd1 boards in windows :woot:

it would actually be a 915 tweaker and will probably work with other 915 and maybe even 925 boards as well :)

This is very good news :clap:

[bnice7]

Who cares about the cables, you can find them at any computer shop. The english version of the manual is downloadable from the asus website (I already downloaded a copy and started reading it :D). Thanks a lot saaya and cirthix for everything, you guys own! Nice pics :)

[Fred_Pohl]

oh and for all people pming me :P
those boards are all already sold!
read the thread, i ordered them for members of this forum, im not selling them :) im just hooking them up with a local shop who had some of the last stock of theese boards :D

I may have found another source for P4GD1s in Germany but since I don't read or speak German, I can't be sure if they actually have them in stock. If you end up getting any from this store, could I please buy one from you for my trouble? Please?

http://comtexxde.h129434.serverkompetenz.net/

[16floz470ml]

:banana: This is great. All hail saaya :woot: the greatest of XS administrators. The other admins are not worthy. Also thanks to cirthix for coming up with this idea. :D

[saaya]

lol 16floz470ml :D
prepare to be spanked by fugger chilly and the frozen rose :D

fred, thats the shop i bought the mobos from actually :D
maybe they have new stock and forgot to call me...
hmmm i got one call froman unknown number that i missed... maybe it was them... will call them tomorrow in the morning :)

[bnice7]

it's the only way to lower the multiplier on gd1(eist)

Shouldn't you be able to use RMclock to lower multi with this board? Or maybe even centrino hardware control... it's basically the same chipset as the sonoma.

[Fred_Pohl]

lol 16floz470ml :D
prepare to be spanked by fugger chilly and the frozen rose :D

fred, thats the shop i bought the mobos from actually :D
maybe they have new stock and forgot to call me...
hmmm i got one call froman unknown number that i missed... maybe it was them... will call them tomorrow in the morning :)

Oops... my bad. I came too late to the party. Anyway, good luck to all the lucky SOBs who got the last of the P4GD1s. Please forgive my obvious jealousy. ;)

[schifter]

to make this decision as easy as possible for you i made pics of what we are actually talking about here:
4 sata cables, 2 pata cables, one floppy cable, one (heavy :D) manual, one cd, one case sticker (ill send you the sticker either way :D) one printer port thing and one usb/firewire/game port blade thing... :D


Well, I'd really like to have the I/O shield, and the SATA cables would be nice, since I'd pay more than 8 bucks for 4 of them, and I have none.

The manual I don't particularly care about (I've got the PDF), nor the CD, and while the USB / game port thing would be nice to have, it's not overly important.

However, I do share boshuter's concerns: how much do you trust the shipper to get those across the ocean in one piece if they're not packed in the boxes?

[cirthix]

i think if saaya puts the mobos in boxes and just takes out the manual and stuff (but leaves i/o shield), we can make the shipping cutoff. i'll talk to him about it and i share your concerns about shipping the mobos outside of their retail boxes.

[mrlobber]

now the good news!!! :D
i asked cpulloverclock about the 865/875 chipset tweaker (like the a64 tweaker but for intel) and he said franck from cpuz actually wrote it. franck is a friend of me and i asked him about it, and he liked this group order idea and said he will support us by writing an app to tweak the p4gd1 boards in windows :woot:

it would actually be a 915 tweaker and will probably work with other 915 and maybe even 925 boards as well :)

Wow, if this comes true, I can see more of Dothan ownage on i915 boards soon :D :banana:

[RoyaL]

Great news saaya about the tweaker!

now you deverse a kiss! :D

[runmc]

:woot: I can see a very sticky "Official P4GD1 Support Thread" coming soon. :D

[boshuter]

:woot: I can see a very sticky "Official P4GD1 Support Thread" coming soon. :D

We have enough people for a small "competition".... :D

[TheLonelySwede]

Think i could hit 4ghz on LN2? lol :woot:

[saaya]

sorry guys, i still havent sent all boards out yet :(
my roomate seems to have gone insane, no, really!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=80045

plus i cought a bad stomach flu and couldnt eat at all for almost 2 days now.
i should be better tomorrow and will definateyl 100% get the boards shipped out on monday. sorry for this big delay :(

[BlueWonder]

lol, nah, just don't let the guy hack you up until at least late tuesday. Everything should pan out from there.

[sky]

sorry guys, i still havent sent all boards out yet :(
my roomate seems to have gone insane, no, really!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=80045

plus i cought a bad stomach flu and couldnt eat at all for almost 2 days now.
i should be better tomorrow and will definateyl 100% get the boards shipped out on monday. sorry for this big delay :(


hey does that mean *some* have been shipped already? ehh.. but really, you
should take some time off and stay in bed, really! and besides.. that way you
could ship both thingies at the same time, hm? :D
get well soon, +20 nutcases around the world are chewing their nails ehehhe

:toast:

[saaya]

yeah, sent out your boards and the one for pedro/ricky already :)

im feeling a little better already, i ate 1.5 kilos of joghurt :D
im kinda lucky, my stomach hurts really bad and i feel weak, but at least its barely messing with my head, almost no feever or headaches :)
i really dont care about body pain that much, but i hate when an illness is messing up my mind :D

hmmm maybe ill be fit enough to send out the board tomorrow, hmmm if i remember correctly the post station in the central station is open on saturday too! :)
hmmm if i wanna go there tomorrow morning with all those boxes i have to eat something "real" besides joghurt to have some strength.
im going to take the risk and see how my stomach likes some french fries.
wish me luck :D

[lawrywild]

are they all gone? or is it still possible to get one over to me in the UK?

[saaya]

i forgot to mention, the shop called me yesterday, the managed to get some more boards :D they reserved 5 boards for me, 3 are already gone though :D

so 2 more boards available, the first 2 people to contact me will get one :D

btw, i told those guys about the p4gd1 stock in russia and they just laughed really loud :D i thougt maybe they had a good relation or connection to some russian reseller or trader or anything, but appearently you have to have really good connections to export and import with russia... and even then you still have to pay a err... import... export..."fee"... to err... FIGHT against corruption :D

[railer]

i forgot to mention, the shop called me yesterday, the managed to get some more boards :D they reserved 5 boards for me, 3 are already gone though :D

so 2 more boards available, the first 2 people to contact me will get one :D

btw, i told those guys about the p4gd1 stock in russia and they just laughed really loud :D i thougt maybe they had a good relation or connection to some russian reseller or trader or anything, but appearently you have to have really good connections to export and import with russia... and even then you still have to pay a err... import... export..."fee"... to err... FIGHT against corruption :D
IT's mine lol :D Now if i get it il just sell my current Dothan sys.

[lawrywild]

hey saaya, was talking to you over PM about these.

PMed again saying i'd deffo take one.

Cheers matey!

[saaya]

sorry guys, ive received quite a view pms and they are already gone :(
railer your too late, sorry, and lawrywild, when you decided they were all gone already...
ill see if i can get more, but my priority is now getting the boards i already have shipped :D

[lawrywild]

np man, I couldn't get it anyway coz of no multi change in bios..

[saaya]

might be added later, pls it seems you dont need to change the multi in bios anyways, you can change it in windows just like the fsb, seems to work fine according to kingpin and macci :)

[Kamerat]

might be added later, pls it seems you dont need to change the multi in bios anyways, you can change it in windows just like the fsb, seems to work fine according to kingpin and macci :)
I can also confirm that and there is no problem booting with FSB below 200 and increase it in Windows using ClockGen. Just remember that ClockGen is showing an insanely high PCI and PCI-E frequency which is not the actual speed. :)

[BlueWonder]

So... is the first post of this thread, relating to the progress of the boards, still relevant?

[Vapor]

Yes, it gets updated frequently.

[BlueWonder]

K, was just confused by the "Last edited by cirthix : 11-02-2005 at 02:26 PM." date on the first post (considering it's now the 20th). And .. ll see if i can get more, but my priority is now getting the boards i already have shipped
Whether that meant he was waiting for confirmation on the boards he had sent out to people (if so, none of which have been mentioned on the first post. eg- a 123 next to peoples names.). Or whether it meant he was waiting for boards to come in to him. :confused:
Either way, it's all good. In Saaya I trust. :toast:

[Vapor]

Saaya edits without leaving a trace.

[cirthix]

Saaya edits without leaving a trace.

and has asked that i do not edit the op any further. it confused me for a while, but then i figured out that he was still editing it with his mod powers. things are coming along well with a small delay, but such is the way of life :toast:.

[Rovtar]

can somebody tell me what is max voltage fod ram on p4gd1?

[Movieman]

Saaya; PM sent

[cirthix]

2.8v i think

[Movieman]

This combination of the P4GD1 and the P M chip has fascinated me for months. I have a new 770 and the Ct-479 sitting here along with a Lian Li PC 70 case to put it in. Just need the Mb and the ram and we're good to go.
never realized how difficult it would be to find this MB. Asus USA told me that they had made the dcision not to sell this board in the US or Canada but I couldn't get a reason from them as to why. I searched the "world" and finally found one in Zagreb,Croatia and since I actually have a friend there, he went and bought it for $112.00 US. Then called both DHL and UPS to see what it would cost to ship it to NH. Are you sitting down? Do you have your heart pills nearby? $207.00 from UPS and $277.00 from DHL!
My buddy there finally went to the local church and a visiting missionary is carrying back here in early December. Damn the things we do to get what we want.

[BlueWonder]

This combination of the P4GD1 and the P M chip has fascinated me for months. I have a new 770 and the Ct-479 sitting here along with a Lian Li PC 70 case to put it in. Just need the Mb and the ram and we're good to go.
never realized how difficult it would be to find this MB. Asus USA told me that they had made the dcision not to sell this board in the US or Canada but I couldn't get a reason from them as to why. I searched the "world" and finally found one in Zagreb,Croatia and since I actually have a friend there, he went and bought it for $112.00 US. Then called both DHL and UPS to see what it would cost to ship it to NH. Are you sitting down? Do you have your heart pills nearby? $207.00 from UPS and $277.00 from DHL!
My buddy there finally went to the local church and a visiting missionary is carrying back here in early December. Damn the things we do to get what we want.

M8, I'm just suprised you convieniently had a friend in Zagreb Croatia.