Team 36362 XS Folding Roster

[Revv23]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78985

^^^ Updated Roster^^^


This is just a quick list of people actively folding for team 36362. Not in any particular order, i just wanted a roster of some sort, more things to come on this though. To note, if you don't have

any active CPU's, you aren't on this list! If you want on, start folding for us and let me know! If I missed you, my apologies, just let me know and ill put you on.

Rankings

1. Angra (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Angra)
2. Xciter (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Xciter)
3. Pythagoras (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=pythagoras)
4. Big_Deel (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Big%5FDeel)
5. Twiggy (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=twiggy)
6. WaltS_2 (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=WaltS%5F2)
7. ugly_n_grey (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=ugly%5Fn%5Fgrey)
8. IFMU (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=IFMU)
9. Onycho (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Onycho)
10. LU0P10 (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=LU0P10)
11. DMO (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=dmo)
12. daddy_fizz (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=daddy%5Ffizz)
13. AngryPickles (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=AngryPickles)
14. Oublie (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Oublie)
15. VaCreeper (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=VaCreeper)
16. [XS]BMaC11[server_box] (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=%5BXS%5DBMaC11%5Bserver%5Fbox%5D)
17. PsychoBabbler (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=PsychoBabbler)
18. fargusmax (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=fargusmax)
19. [XS]BMac111[prommie] (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=%5BXS%5DBMaC11%5Bprommie%5D)
20. Ackbar (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Ackbar)
21. Rusalka_tim (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Rusalka%5Ftim)
22. Toxi (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Toxi)
23. Revv23 (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Revv23)
24. Philosophy (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Philosophy)
25. mnewxcv (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=mnewxcv)
26. rick_fx (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=rick%5Ffx)
27. perecarlso (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&pname=bwnweshEXv%40qxsaE%2Eevx)



Detailed Stats


1. Angra (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Angra)
|==|Score-56049
|==|CPU's-69
|==|Work Units-3804

2.Xciter (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Xciter)
|==|Score-318144
|==|CPU's-17
|==|Work Units-1477

3.Pythagoras (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=pythagoras)
|==|Score-170765
|==|CPU's-2
|==|Work Units-600

4.Big_Deel (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Big%5FDeel)
|==|Score-36254
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-496

5.Twiggy (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=twiggy)
|==|Score-33761
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-236|

6.WaltS_2 (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=WaltS%5F2)
|==|Score-31681
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-78

7.ugly_n_grey (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=ugly%5Fn%5Fgrey)
|==|Score-30744
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-525

8.IFMU (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=IFMU)
|==|Score-24443
|==|CPU's-2
|==|Work Units-374

9.Onycho (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Onycho)
|==|Score-22643
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-68

10.LU0P10 (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=LU0P10)
|==|Score-15467
|==|CPU's-4
|==|Work Units-124

11.DMO (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=dmo)
|==|Score-13541
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-121

12.daddy_fizz (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=daddy%5Ffizz)
|==|Score-9843
|==|CPU's-2
|==|Work Units-68

13.AngryPickles (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=AngryPickles)
|==|Score-7461
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-33

14.Oublie (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Oublie)
|==|Score-6508
|==|CPU's-0
|==|Work Units-52

15.VaCreeper (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=VaCreeper)
|==|Score-4553
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-38

16.[XS]BMaC11[server_box] (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=%5BXS%5DBMaC11%5Bserver%5Fbox%5D)
|==|Score-3901
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-29

17.PsychoBabbler (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=PsychoBabbler)
|==|Score-2364
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-50

18.fargusmax (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=fargusmax)
|==|Score-2407
|==|CPU's-3
|==|Work Units-26

19.[XS]BMac111[prommie] (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=%5BXS%5DBMaC11%5Bprommie%5D)
|==|Score-1891
|==|CPU's-2
|==|Work Units-29

20.Ackbar (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Ackbar)
|==|Score-1666
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-8

21.Rusalka_tim (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Rusalka%5Ftim)
|==|Score-1109
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-10

22.Toxi (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Toxi)
|==|Score-831
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-5

23.Revv23 (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Revv23)
|==|Score-671
|==|CPU's-3
|==|Work Units-6

24.Philosophy (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=Philosophy)
|==|Score-576
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-17

25.mnewxcv (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=mnewxcv)
|==|Score-532
|==|CPU's-2
|==|Work Units-5

26.rick_fx (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&username=rick%5Ffx)
|==|Score-339
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-5

27.perecarlso (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=36362&pname=bwnweshEXv%40qxsaE%2Eevx)
|==|Score-142
|==|CPU's-1
|==|Work Units-1



Thats all for now, i'll try to get more information put in tonight, but it's time to go to class.

Fold on guys!

-Revv23.

Edit - Okay got links to everyone's stats, hope you like it :cheers:

Edit2 - Ok now i have the details up, if i got something wrong or you think something should be changed, i'd love to hear it, in a few weeks i will update this and show how much people are up/down, maybe ill get averages at one point... hope you gus like this.

Edit3 - made two lists, easier to read imo, also redid the formatting on the detailed specs list

[Ugly n Grey]

Thanks Revv... and can someone identify some of out mystery folders? I may need to make some contact Sooner or later

[Revv23]

yeah we have alot more on the team then we do posting in the forum, thats for sure, this place is dead.

[Revv23]

okay im working on a way to show active CPU's, WU's, and Scores, anything else you guys think i should add?

another thing, should i have this list stay how it is as a leader board, and then have a second below it showing detailed stats? or should i only have a detailed stat list?

[IFMU]

How much detail are you thinking of adding? IMO there shouldnt be alot, total points, points per day, # of cpus maybe? and rank in the team.
The more you add the more I would say another thread.

[IFMU]

Oh yea, and hope the mods of this section dont mind, but Im gonna stick this one. If they disagree on that feel free to un-stick.

[Revv23]

I was thinking points, WU's, # of cpu's

I could do points per day, that would be alot of work though, as i dont know any programming so im doing this all by hand.... and ill only be able to update this periodically, i wouldn't expect more then once per month.

[IFMU]

Ah ok, with that little, I would say keep it in 1 thread, much cleaner and easier to find if anyone's interested in it.

[Revv23]

ok havent got much feedback on this, im thinking about updating it, but if no one cares i wont bother... so post damnit! tell me what you think.

[pythagoras]

Sorry my friend, for not posting earlier, been suffering with the flu. This is great and I see alot of potential in you to move this team forward. I'v been watching if not posting

Thankyou.

[fargusmax]

This is great. Watch out though, I'm eyeing the Top 10!

[Revv23]

you better watch out my friend, im averaging more then you!

[fargusmax]

Eh, we can both be in the top 10.

[Revv23]

wow nice jump fargus, my QMD rig was down for a day and you gained a ton, should finish another qmd within the next few hours to jump me back up though

hehe

i know we arent competing here, but to me, its all competition.

as far as updating this list goes, expect it monday or tuesday, im partying hard this weekend, i dont like college but i figure i may as well make the most of it.

[Ugly n Grey]

That's the attitude, enjoy, live and laugh... sides if you are not home, your rigs are crunching more :)

[fargusmax]

Yup, it's all in good fun. Since I don't foresee any computer related purchases until AMD releases M2, I hope someone does come along and whoop me. More for the team.

[sc00p]

Thanks Revv... and can someone identify some of out mystery folders? I may need to make some contact Sooner or later

I'm not sure if one could say that I'm mystery folder but...
...LU0P10=sc00p...
...I just fold... but I don't fold mysteries...

...and don't have much time to discuss at this although premium phorum.

[Gimmpy224]

Hey I just switched teams from dev to xs :-D might take a while for this wu to finish but i would like to know where yall got the sig ^_^ I love to sport ma home team now since the dev forum is practically dead ( no offense to anyone from there if they read this )

[Ugly n Grey]

@sc00p thanks man for letting us know :up: we appreciate the steady help :)

Gimmpy, I can pull your URL as soon as you show up in our stats list, you have no user ID to refer to until then OK? Just give me a prod with a :stick: when you turn in your first packet for 36362 :)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Well its been a while since Ive folded but Ima redownload it tonight and get her back up and running, both cores :P

Hopefully ill be middle of field sooner or later, who knows..

Ok little helpo here would be kewl..

I have downlaod and installed in two diff appz..

I have one folder names folding -A0 and other -A1

Hod can I set them so they automatically only will fold off the one core?
Without havng to manually have to go in and set up each core every time I startup?

[Ugly n Grey]

you mean set the process affinity? There is no need at all. It will start both instances and use 1 cpu each.
or make it startup automatically? I have some information in the guide in this area..you would need two command line instances for a dual rig

Very much welcome to our little team !!! :welcome: It's very very good to have you :)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Ok when I tried to run it it sais only one instance of this app can be run at atime, now closing

What now, There installed into two different folders names differently as well..?

Thnx for welcome I have folded for a short time before but then sold the folding rig now im on X2 figur why not fold more?

[Ugly n Grey]

have you checked in my guide for the how to details of running two instances? the flag -local is critical for running two :) the guide has some tips that will help you score more too

[[cTx]Philosophy]

I dont see anything there for running two gui apps at once..

Thats what I wanna do
max em out as well..

[Revv23]

oh well thats simply because you can't... you can only run one GUI, and dont run one gui and one command line.

you shouldnt be running the GUI app anyways, running the cmd line version can save 5-30 minutes on each core... thatll add up over time, if you want to monitor your status, use FAHmon, its much more informative then the GUI anyways... it calculates your points per day and stuff for you, and it takes up very little resources, fast simple little app that i have fallen in love with.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

rgr th@ ill change over to CMd tonight, I was working on maya anyways last night so didnt really wanna mess around with cmd lines all night..

Gui was just faster and simpler for me..

[Haltech]

Might be a good idea to update the roster, no?

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Ok well see I have two aps setup up as walk thru shows..
I set them to use 50% cpu and thats all both apps use? is 25 per app?

Fah core has been running for a while now and there is only one of the apps green?

I know these are noob things im sayin I just wanna do it right and fold to the best of my pcs ability..

Also put in all cmds - verb 9 etc

EDIT:NVM other one greend out while I was typig this :P
tomorrow im good for another over 500 points

[Ugly n Grey]

WTG man you have everything set just the way you want it :) perfect!!! WOOT

[Revv23]

Might be a good idea to update the roster, no?


its coming, turning out to be a busy week.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

hmm
been running about 12 hrs and im only at 12% on both services?

Its saying 4 days and 6 hrs?

Is this wrong or do I have something set up wrong or what?
Is there a way for me to open the options again to re setup things?

I tried to do it using run but I keep getting errors

[Ugly n Grey]

At 50%, neither of those is going to finish quickly. If you really want it work well on only half your available processing power, just install one instance and let it consume 100 percent CPU. The process idles down as soon as any other application requests some CPU time. But the way you have it set it will never get the full time on the CPU and thus takes longer to complete..

[Revv23]

[QUOTE=Philosophy
Is there a way for me to open the options again to re setup things?

[/QUOTE]


way i do it is i open up the cmd box and i navigate to the foldign folder, then i enter in the folding name with the -config tag after it...


so for me it looks like this: folding503beta-console -config

[[cTx]Philosophy]

nted, now ima have to get better cooling..

Thinking about makin trip to hoime depot and getting better mounting hardware for 90c and making the Duallie toppless to lower temps a bit...

Now I need one of them siggies showing my stats off for XS

[Ugly n Grey]

"http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/sigs/sigimage.php?u=151593"

Just take off the quotes and add that piccy to your sig. Congrats :)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

ty sir :toast: , when it updates itll show i moved up 3 spots since last post..
CPU runs darn hot with dual runnng Def sometime this week gonna have to take off IHS.. :banana:

Also I keep getting GBGromacs and was wondering why I havent gotten any QMD's yet, "They Rock Hard" is what I want :P

[Ugly n Grey]

Unfortunately those of us running AMD's will never see a QMD... it's the way they compiled the core with a broken Intel COmpiler that does not recognize SSE2 in other processors than intel

[Revv23]

okay should have a moment tonight to update this monster, ive got some cool plans for it, hopfully ill have time to add them all.

[Ackbar]

okay should have a moment tonight to update this monster, ive got some cool plans for it, hopfully ill have time to add them all.

Maybe some type of bot would be easier... it might be more work to set up, but won't require nearly as much time on your part later.

Someone around here uses a "HWBOT" maybe you could ask for his/her code.

[Revv23]

i dont know two bits about code...but ill look into that thanks.

[Revv23]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78985

^^^ Updated Roster^^^

[da-key]

:coffee: :scope: :party3: :YIPPIE: :rocker: :wtf:

[greenwar]

What is happening to XS folders? I see many people dropping out!! Jimwah, what happened to you man?

[sc00p]

Be cool my friend. One word: heat!

[greenwar]

Be cool my friend. One word: heat!

I hear you. :)

[jimwah]

What is happening to XS folders? I see many people dropping out!! Jimwah, what happened to you man?

Don't worry; I'm planning a star-spangled return to folding soon :D The heat has been a killer this summer, once it cools down just a bit I can get another machine or two on again; and we can get a bit more hype on the forums & hopefully gather some new members for the winter :banana:

[greenwar]

Don't worry; I'm planning a star-spangled return to folding soon :D The heat has been a killer this summer, once it cools down just a bit I can get another machine or two on again; and we can get a bit more hype on the forums & hopefully gather some new members for the winter :banana:

Hey Jimwah, yeah I noticed temps at UK were record high this year. I hope you are keeping cool.

Thanks for the post, appreciate it. :toast:

[revlimiter9000]

Welcome another member to your team guys. :D I was folding for another team and let's just say that the forum moderators were b!***y so I decided they weren't thankful for my cpu power contribution so I decided to jump ship and hop over to XS. Where I know I'll be appreciated. ;)

[greenwar]

Welcome another member to your team guys. :D I was folding for another team and let's just say that the forum moderators were b!***y so I decided they weren't thankful for my cpu power contribution so I decided to jump ship and hop over to XS. Where I know I'll be appreciated. ;)

Welcome bro. What kind of machine are you using to fold. I am always curious to know what people are using.

[greenwar]

My electricity bill almost doubled with the 3-4 machines that I am running for folding. I am seriously thinking about switching to some A64 X2 machines, but would like to know if spending the extra money will pay of sufficiently in reduced power bill. Any input from fellow folders using X2 cpus?

[sc00p]

Welcome to the team Revlimiter9000... and yes appreciated you are :)

[[XC] serlv]

My electricity bill almost doubled with the 3-4 machines that I am running for folding. I am seriously thinking about switching to some A64 X2 machines, but would like to know if spending the extra money will pay of sufficiently in reduced power bill. Any input from fellow folders using X2 cpus?


I don't crunch with XS~F@H, but with XS~Rosetta. But for some input as to A64 x2's and DC chips...

I am running 9 DC (X2 or Opty 1xx ), 4 Dual Xeon and 2 SC A64 boxes.
Last year I was running 20 or so AXP boxes, with a few DX's thrown in. My power bill is now a lot less, and my output is higher. 15 PSUs vs 25...

With the recent drop in x2 prices and the tendency of power costs to rise, I would say go for it.

[jimwah]

:wave: Howdy Revlimiter9000 & welcome to the team.

x2's are tempting & nows the time with the prices low - I wish I'd gone for cheap 939 boards when I put my machines together, instead if the jumble of 775/754/478/939 madness I have currently - it would be a nice, easy upgrade to x2 then.

[revlimiter9000]

Thanks for giving me such a warm welcome. Sorry you guys. I changed the sn I was using for the "other" folding team. I had 44 WU's completed but after I changed my sn to the one I use at XS I had to start all over.

[greenwar]

I don't crunch with XS~F@H, but with XS~Rosetta. But for some input as to A64 x2's and DC chips...

I am running 9 DC (X2 or Opty 1xx ), 4 Dual Xeon and 2 SC A64 boxes.
Last year I was running 20 or so AXP boxes, with a few DX's thrown in. My power bill is now a lot less, and my output is higher. 15 PSUs vs 25...

With the recent drop in x2 prices and the tendency of power costs to rise, I would say go for it.

I see, I guess I will start looking for some cheap am2 combos. :)

[sc00p]

Thanks for giving me such a warm welcome. Sorry you guys. I changed the sn I was using for the "other" folding team. I had 44 WU's completed but after I changed my sn to the one I use at XS I had to start all over.No need to apologize... that's the way it goes... just fold on, full steam ahead :cool:

[vintage_guitar]

i've got about 14k so far for you guys, started about a month ago.. still going strong :)

[vaio]

Good for you.......keep on climbing :toast:

[TopherTony]

we should update this

[SparkyJJO]

we should update this

Probably a good idea really.

[twiggy]

I don't think he folds anymore, at least hes not on the active stats at EOC.

[jimwah]

Revv23 threw a few on for the race against TPR iirc, but yeah our stickies could do with a little dusting off & polishing up.

[eXceededgoku]

add me to your list :D
folding on a GPU client on my X1900 :)

PS Sig will update once I've completed a WU...

[SparkyJJO]

Nice to have you onboard :toast:

[Daetlus]

I was folding on my own. I like the information I've read on this site, and how helpful it's been. I figured I might as well throw myself in on the team.

[SparkyJJO]

Glad you decided to hop on Daetlus :) Always a good thing to get more members in here :D

[jimwah]

Welcome to the fold Daetlus :wave: :D

[sc00p]

I leave my computers on 24/7 so now they are actually doing something so the wife cant :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about it.:D

BTW: I just suspect running GPU&SMP client at same machine can be messy and destroy output (and data) of smp client :(
But if you're still willing to try that then... I believe dak1640 can give us some light about the issues to guide you over probs on that when the time comes :cool:

[Trike]

I just joined with my ps3 and my main rig.

[SparkyJJO]

:welcome: Trike! Glad to have you with us :up:

You running 24/7? If you are a little extra cooling for the PS3 might not be a bad idea. IIRC they had a cooling issue on release, not sure if that was fixed or not. Or am I thinking of the xbox360, I can't remember....!

[Evi]

Well I finally made top 20, so I might as well introduce myself. I have a C2D rig and a PS3 folding 24/7, along with a few other computers on and off. When intel releases their 45nm quads, I'll have one of those on the job too.

Also, I haven't had a problem with the PS3's cooling. Just make sure you don't let dust build up around the vents.

[SparkyJJO]

Well I finally made top 20, so I might as well introduce myself. I have a C2D rig and a PS3 folding 24/7, along with a few other computers on and off. When intel releases their 45nm quads, I'll have one of those on the job too.

Also, I haven't had a problem with the PS3's cooling. Just make sure you don't let dust build up around the vents.

Sounds good man! Thanks for that clarification on the PS3 cooling. Seems I was mistaken, must have been the xbox360 I was thinking of that had cooling issues.

:up:

[sc00p]

must have been the xbox360 I was thinking of that had cooling issues.

:up:
http://www.crn.com.au/News/55747,microsoft-facing-us115bn-xbox-360-repair-bill.aspx ;)

Glad to have you on board Trike and Evi :welcome:

[jimwah]

Welcome Trike & Evi :D

And Evi, I do like the colour scheme on your stats sig :up:

[Rmc[AZ]]

I purchased a PS3 last weekend and threw it in the folding mix.

Welcome to the new folders. :)

[SparkyJJO]

;2541825']I purchased a PS3 last weekend and threw it in the folding mix.

Welcome to the new folders. :)

Oh sure, you just wanna barbecue me even faster don't you? :rofl:

[sc00p]

Oh sure, you just wanna barbecue me even faster don't you? :rofl:Guess who's aiming to be the first one at steak-eating event with sparklings :shrug: :D

[SparkyJJO]

Oh no sc00p, I'm staying ahead of you even if it kills me :p:
Hmm that's a bold claim... if you buy more hardware, I can't afford anything to keep up...

[sc00p]

Oh no sc00p, I'm staying ahead of you even if it kills me :p:
Hmm that's a bold claim... if you buy more hardware, I can't afford anything to keep up...
:rofl: Good attitude :up: :D

BTW: I've got this naked chick (=C2D) still resting on my desk :yepp: Maybe Had to put her back to work soon again... to cooking some wus :p: :D

[tet5uo]

I've got all the parts I need almost to build a second , dedicated crunching rig.

Just need to get myself a cheap-o display adapter for it ... will be a core2 e6600 that I'm gonna OC to about 3 gHz.

[SparkyJJO]

:rofl: Good attitude :up: :D

BTW: I've got this naked chick (=C2D) still resting on my desk :yepp: Maybe Had to put her back to work soon again... to cooking some wus :p: :D

I wasn't challenging you to pass me....I won't be able keep up....
:hm: :para:

I've got all the parts I need almost to build a second , dedicated crunching rig.

Just need to get myself a cheap-o display adapter for it ... will be a core2 e6600 that I'm gonna OC to about 3 gHz.

That sounds great. Cheapo video adapters FTW, I use a bunch of old PCI or AGP cards (depending on the boards in use). The one cruncher has an ancient 2MB PCI trident piece of crap in it, all it needs to do is display a picture and make the system happy :cool:

Keep it up :up:

[sc00p]

I wasn't challenging you to pass me....
:hm: :para:
Just for the record... that would be my honour to pass you :yepp: Seriously... I know how dedicated you must've been to come up to those points, btw, congratz for the 500K :up:

But... I was here first and you know... and I was at top 5 earlier :shrug: :ROTF:

[SparkyJJO]

Just for the record... that would be my honour to pass you :yepp: Seriously... I know how dedicated you must've been to come up to those points, btw, congratz for the 500K :up:

But... I was here first and you know... and I was at top 5 earlier :shrug: :ROTF:

Just you wait, just you wait..... If I get this internship job next summer I'll have a little more dough to play with. THEN you'll be sorry ;) :yepp: :D

Oh and thanks about the 500K, I didn't even notice I passed it.

[sc00p]

Just you wait, just you wait..... If I get this internship job next summer I'll have a little more dough to play with. THEN you'll be sorry ;) :yepp: :D Not sorry... I'll be glad if when you got that job :cool: Better for the team :up:

[Papu]

im in \0/
Papu90

3.4ghz e6420
1.8ghz e2160

[Ugly n Grey]

im in \0/
Papu90

3.4ghz e6420
1.8ghz e2160

Welcome to the team Papu :welcome: , we're damned glad to have you. Watch out for Pythagoras though, the man has absolutely no sense of humour. Why one day when he came into my cheese shop... oh well that's a story for another day.

[Papu]

Welcome to the team Papu :welcome: , we're damned glad to have you. Watch out for Pythagoras though, the man has absolutely no sense of humour. Why one day when he came into my cheese shop... oh well that's a story for another day.

nice thanks good to be here :D

trying to get the regestery service editor goin for the console F@H on vista but i cant find the key? anyideas?

ohh that Pythagoras and his triangles....

[SparkyJJO]

Registry service editor? I'm sorry I'm not sure what you are referring to.. some trick to get F@H running in vista or something like that?

:welcome:

[Ugly n Grey]

No need to go by that old guide, Pythagoras should unsticky that and I'll make a new one... the SMP client for multicores is basically self installing these days

[Papu]

No need to go by that old guide, Pythagoras should unsticky that and I'll make a new one... the SMP client for multicores is basically self installing these days

oh really? ive been running 2 instances to get up to 100% on both cores on the console version

with 1 up its only 50% both cores

[TopherTony]

I just got back to Germany from Iraq and I am now getting my PS3 and my dual core laptop up for folding while at work. I will have my desktop (see sig) up as well as soon as it makes its way over here.

[Ugly n Grey]

Excellent! that'll put up some points and it seems like the client for the PS3 is pretty painless to boot ! very cool welcome onboard... :toast:

[SparkyJJO]

hi TopherTony welcome, ready to crunch Tom's Hardware? :D

[TopherTony]

physically or digitally? cuz i'm game for either :up:

[texnofobix]

I'm folding again btw. This current WU are taking 7hrs to do. I hope I get massive points for them.

[Ugly n Grey]

I'm folding again btw. This current WU are taking 7hrs to do. I hope I get massive points for them.

Hey tex, excellent! Do you have a multi core rig? you could run the SMP client as a service and put up some large numbers that way. :up:

[texnofobix]

Hey tex, excellent! Do you have a multi core rig? you could run the SMP client as a service and put up some large numbers that way. :up:

Its a Gentoo box. AMDx2

[SparkyJJO]

There is a linux SMP client as well, it was the first OS to get the SMP actually.

[angra]

There is a linux SMP client as well, it was the first OS to get the SMP actually.

but the linux SMP client is 64-bit only, which is a real bummer!

[SparkyJJO]

Oh yeah forgot about that. Well, he's got a 64bit CPU, is gentoo 64 bit? I don't know much about linux.

[texnofobix]

it is gentoo-amd64.

[angra]

oh yeah you said what CPU you had, didn't you :). That's what I get for only reading threads in reverse order.

linux64 SMP client is def. the way to go for points. I am only using 1/3 of my cluster for folding, all on 64/SMP and it outdoes what my entire cluster did running the old linux client by 50%.

[texnofobix]

oh yeah you said what CPU you had, didn't you :). That's what I get for only reading threads in reverse order.

linux64 SMP client is def. the way to go for points. I am only using 1/3 of my cluster for folding, all on 64/SMP and it outdoes what my entire cluster did running the old linux client by 50%.

they didnt have the 64/smp in the emerge tree :(

I'm gonna set up the fah to end after its done with the non SMP WU.

[texnofobix]

oh yeah you said what CPU you had, didn't you :). That's what I get for only reading threads in reverse order.

linux64 SMP client is def. the way to go for points. I am only using 1/3 of my cluster for folding, all on 64/SMP and it outdoes what my entire cluster did running the old linux client by 50%.

Does it work nicely on a amd64x2?

I tried the windows smp on a centino duo. and it was running 4 processes.

[angra]

the part of my cluster that is running the client has dual single core opterons in each node. They seem to turn a little less than 1000 ppd each node, something like that.

[SparkyJJO]

THere are 4 processes but on a dual core system it assigns 2 per core. It works fine, I'm running the SMP client on a s939 AMD opteron (basically the same as an X2 except 1MB L2 cache standard and typically more OC headroom hehe).

[[XC] 2long4u]

count me in.

[Ugly n Grey]

count me in.

:welcome: :up: Damn glad to have you :)

[coo-coo-clocker]

hi TopherTony welcome, ready to crunch Tom's Hardware? :D
Seems like we passed Tom's....


58 36362 xtremesystems.org 36531650
59 40061 Toms Hardware 36199708

[cvoid]

I just downloaded the folding@home program. I will start with one machine for now but may add a second machine after I finish doing some work on it.

[SparkyJJO]

:welcome: cvoid!

[road-runner]

:welcome: to the Team...

[Ugly n Grey]

welcome, glad to have you cvoid, what brings you in to the folding team? Tell us about your hardware! we're all up for some geek pr0n. :D
:welcome: :wtf:

[cvoid]

welcome, glad to have you cvoid, what brings you in to the folding team? Tell us about your hardware! we're all up for some geek pr0n. :D
:welcome: :wtf:

The reason I picked the folding team was I wanted to do something on my computer when Im not there, such as at work or when Im in school, and this seemed like something worth doing.

Right now I only have one computer running the folding@home and its an older computer:

Mach Speed motherboard (don't remember model number and since Im at work I can't just look at the box :( )
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
2.5GBs of Kingston RAM
Windows XP (may switch it over to run on Suse linux, but when I downloaded the program I had windows up and was also downloading some other things so I didn't want to reboot at the time to set it up on that)

The computer I am working on and will also probable put folding@home on is:

Intel DX38BT motherboard
Intel QX9650
2GBs of Kingston RAM
Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit version

The AMD machine I can't really overclock since it becomes unstable on anything past 2.1GHz but hopefully with the intel extreme I will be able to overclock it to at least 4GHz

[mnewxcv]

hey wow im in the first post, was ranked 25! what happened!?!?!? :D

[Marvin_The_Martian]

hey wow im in the first post, was ranked 25! what happened!?!?!? :D

You fell down... lol I'm dropping my quest for FM's top 20 ( currently just made 28 ) since I moved production here. Will probably put the c2d back for them when I finally get a proper clocking board for this quad :up:

Looks like I can make top 20 here to, never thought XS would allow a single cpu to get on the daily top 20's already was ashame my lone e6600 on occasion led FM's daily's let alone XS :rolleyes:

Fold on people, make me a litle bit more humble :cool: :D

Edit: skype?

Edit2:

I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but if you guys want to keep a list off active folders and what their running, I'm doing that on FM to and wouldn't mind doing it for XS. Just seems the current roster isn't being maintained atm, it's a diffrent setup also then what I was used to but if you tell me what you want to see I'm sure I could be off help :)

[coo-coo-clocker]

I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but if you guys want to keep a list off active folders and what their running, I'm doing that on FM to and wouldn't mind doing it for XS. Just seems the current roster isn't being maintained atm, it's a diffrent setup also then what I was used to but if you tell me what you want to see I'm sure I could be off help :)

Well, in addition to the obvious stuff, I think it would be cool to have some kind of "horsepower" metric, like a GHz-to-WU ratio number or perhaps average frames/day. I'm really new to all this, but I am curious how to get a folding system that provides the highest return in computational horsepower versus watts/heat/system cost...

I find the "calculation flexibility" aspect intriguing too. I think it would be great if the F@H client could produce some additional stats around types of WUs being performed so we could have teams configure different client types to actually race towards solving particular problems that are high priority....
e.g., if our team could get bonus points for hosting a richer set of hardware/client types, then we could put more of the most valuable calculation horsepower online and thus benefit the project more. Am I making sense? :cool:

[Stijndp]

Well, in addition to the obvious stuff, I think it would be cool to have some kind of "horsepower" metric, like a GHz-to-WU ratio number or perhaps average frames/day. I'm really new to all this, but I am curious how to get a folding system that provides the highest return in computational horsepower versus watts/heat/system cost...

I find the "calculation flexibility" aspect intriguing too. I think it would be great if the F@H client could produce some additional stats around types of WUs being performed so we could have teams configure different client types to actually race towards solving particular problems that are high priority....
e.g., if our team could get bonus points for hosting a richer set of hardware/client types, then we could put more of the most valuable calculation horsepower online and thus benefit the project more. Am I making sense? :cool:

I think you are looking for something like this site http://fahinfo.org/

And I believe it's best if Stanford doesn't give us too much freedom. It's not a game they are making and imo it's a lot better if they put time and effort in making faster clients than giving the users a lot of options which not everyone would need.

[Ugly n Grey]

http://fahinfo.org/index.php?avgscores=true
Points per day per Ghz metrics as per request. Power metrics depend on your particular OC setup.

You change what clients you receive by the flagging of the executable. Computers that can handle the SMP clients are of the greatest interest at the moment I believe and they require a separate client. Most of us who are active in this subforum have tweaked out gear for best results, I think you can see that by sorting through the active folders in the top 20 sorted by daily production.

[coo-coo-clocker]

holy folding stats, batman! That is cool stuff!
I'm feelin like a dunce now

:lastweek:

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Well, in addition to the obvious stuff, I think it would be cool to have some kind of "horsepower" metric, like a GHz-to-WU ratio number or perhaps average frames/day. I'm really new to all this, but I am curious how to get a folding system that provides the highest return in computational horsepower versus watts/heat/system cost...

I find the "calculation flexibility" aspect intriguing too. I think it would be great if the F@H client could produce some additional stats around types of WUs being performed so we could have teams configure different client types to actually race towards solving particular problems that are high priority....
e.g., if our team could get bonus points for hosting a richer set of hardware/client types, then we could put more of the most valuable calculation horsepower online and thus benefit the project more. Am I making sense? :cool:

+1 :up:

Fahinfo is nice :)

[firefox > IE]

I'll just start folding now, though I have a crappy Celeron D, kept @ stock. I can only fold w/ 50% CPU usage, though due to temperature issues.

EDIT: Folding name is my username

[SparkyJJO]

That's OK, whatever you have to bring is great! :) The point is that you are folding, that's what is important :up:

[sc00p]

Welcome to the team FF>IE :welcome:
Hopefully you more time for posting too. Quite a difference between for example you and Sparky :D

[angra]

Welcome FF>IE!

Don't worry about what you fold with. Entrance to this club is cheap :). My HS economics teacher used to say "That dime might keep you from becoming a millionaire" - which is to say that no matter how fast you are going through WUs, yours might be the one that unlocks the key to curing cancer.

Thanks for the contribution and welcome to the team!

[GripS]

I'm in. Sorry it took me so long to pull my head outta my arse and put my computers idle time to good use.

[coo-coo-clocker]

real good to have ya - no matter what!

[Polizei]

Add me to the roster too... Bacon1187 for the name though.

[Kingcarcas]

Welcome aboard mates, take one
http://www.jeremylatham.com/images/canadian-budget-cookie-jar.jpg

[spider_d]

PS3 24/7 and my current rig (see signature) F@H SMP client. Still working on stabile OC, but slowly getting toward 3.6.

spider_d for team 36362

[SparkyJJO]

Howdy :D

boingg!!! off the 70 second rev limiter again....

[spider_d]

I'm folding project 2665 on the SMP client now and wondering if I can increase the spped from about 13 minutes per percent. Also, I read the thread about 2665 and don't fully understand the issues, or how I am affected by them. Is good science still ahppening regardless of the points?

And SparkyJJO, What is the 70 sec rev limiter that I keep seeing you mention?

[SparkyJJO]

Good science is still happening, yes. It is just a larger, longer unit and the points they assigned to it end up being less per day than some others. I just sigh a bit since I do like to see the numbers go up but the science is important and it is still happening :up:

The "rev limiter" I keep referring to is the the minimum time between posts. Many sites have 30 seconds between posts, but XS a couple months ago went to 70 seconds. I tend to read fairly quickly and I can type quite fast so when I have a few different threads open or heck just browsing around quickly I tend to bounce off of that a lot. I just blame overclocking my brain and fingers too much for the site to handle :D

[spider_d]

I thought the post limiter had something to do with it. Thanks for the info.

Do you know a good SMP client guide for a novice. I have it folding, but I don't know how to use the cmd line stuff and have had trouble finding a guide. My WU is at 50% now and I am hoping to fold solid for a while. I feel like my stats are terrib;e even with the SMP running and the PS3 24/7 folding for a full day. Am I expecting to much or is 70 points per day going to be it?

[SparkyJJO]

With the SMP you'll get much more than 70 PPD, much much more. Just when you first start getting things going the stats take a while to come up to full running points. You'll be well over 1000 PPD, closer to 2000 I'm sure especially as you bring those clocks up!

CHeck in my sig, I have some setup guides linked, I believe there is an SMP setup guide in there :)

[[cTx]Raptor22]

Is SMP stable now? It was eating WUs before and I feel nervous leaving my 2x text.

[coo-coo-clocker]

Not having any problems here w/ it. I'm running dual SMP on my dedicated quad cruncher and single SMP on my main rig.

[G0ldBr1ck]

If the team could use somemore CPU's crunching for the team, piont me in the right direction and Ill be happy to help. Have 2 quadcore desktops and a C2D laptop with 6x HD3870's between the 2 desktops (If you can Fold with them also?) that run 24/7. Never done anyfolding so might need a little info.

[SparkyJJO]

We always welcome more :welcome:

You can fold with the HD3870's for sure, however i'm not sure on how to set it up or anything since I don't have one of those cards. For just CPU folding though, if you look in my signature I have a link to setup guides :)

[G0ldBr1ck]

ok thanks, Ill see if I can get them set up by tomarow.

[SparkyJJO]

ok thanks, Ill see if I can get them set up by tomarow.

Sure thing, post up any questions and we'll help you out :up:

[G0ldBr1ck]

Anyone else happen to know if you can fold a ati gpu and cpu at same time? and if so, what about 3 gpu's and a cpu?

[SparkyJJO]

Each GPU client requires a CPU core.

[G0ldBr1ck]

ok, last question then (I think). so that means basicly I can eather use my 3 gpu's or just the 9850 phenom. wich would do more?

[SparkyJJO]

I think the 3 GPUs would do more. You could actually do 3 GPUs and one standard CPU client to use the last core on your quad.

[G0ldBr1ck]

cool, have 2 systems just like that. looking forward to putting them to use.

[SparkyJJO]

Sounds good! I know some here use the new GPU client, so I'm sure they can help if you have any issues :)

[G0ldBr1ck]

they dont seem to have the gpu2 client for vista at the moment. says there working out some bugs so guess ill be using cpu only for awile

[ThunderDuck]

Works fine for me in vista64. gpu2 for nvidia is still being worked on.
Download
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther
Install
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1893773&postcount=17

el cheepo 3850 gets me 1100+ ppd

[SocketMan]

Anyone else happen to know if you can fold a ati gpu and cpu at same time? and if so, what about 3 gpu's and a cpu?

Yea you can but not with Vista atm
Unless they fixed it it's 1 gpu client per "Vista" machine.
Also Cat.8.5 DOES NOT work for folding, use 8.3 or 8.4
I've also found that when 2 or 3 cards are folding on 1 machine the total
ppd is a lot less then using 3 cards on 3 machines.Mind you that was
on the MSIK9a2 and 9600be @ 2500mhz. Higher cpu freq. should bring higher ppd

Maybe I should make a gpu2 thread? got lots of picks

[G0ldBr1ck]

so the GPU client is CPU limited? would have thought the gpu client taxed the cpu just a little unless its doing some of the folding with the cpu core also.

[SparkyJJO]

Perhaps the GPU takes the data and crunches it, then the CPU processes/compresses it? Dunno, just guessing :shrug:

The old X1900 series client wasn't GPU limited too much, I assumed this to be the same here too but I guess I'm wrong.

[G0ldBr1ck]

I just found my answer in a FAQ, The Gpu is capable of so much work but the data is fed to it by the cpu wich realy cant keep the gpu fed as fast as the gpu can work.


"Dedicating 100% of a CPU core to a GPU client is strongly recommended. You will need one CPU core per GPU core to keep the GPU client adequately fed with data.

Folding performance on high-end GPUs is directly related to the performance of the CPU feeding the new client. Increasing the GPU core speed may not improve folding performance without sufficient CPU speed to support those higher GPU speeds. The reverse scenario may also be true. A very fast CPU helps to get the best GPU performance with this new client."

[SparkyJJO]

Ahh OK that makes sense then.

[SocketMan]

It's true however a lot depends on the given project:
For example some projects will load up the gpu to 100 % with
the cpu clock being low (2.4). Other projects need 3.0ghz in order to
load the gpu 100%
So if your gpu is 80& load then increasing your cpu speed will take the load
higher and the ppd along with it. Recent projects however (4727) don't need
much from the cpu and increasing cpu speed by 400-500 Mhz brings no
ppd increase. Hope this makes some sense;)

[Naja002]

Ok, I'm in......running a 512mb 8800GT gpu for F@H. A Q9450 feeding that and WCG....with Dimes running around somewhere! :ROTF:

I folded for a while a few yrs ago, but I cannot recall my username, so I'm just starting from scratch= naja002

I have a few questions, but I'll just start a new thread(s).....:up:

[sc00p]

Ok, I'm in......running a 512mb 8800GT gpu for F@H. A Q9450 feeding that and WCG....with Dimes running around somewhere! :ROTF:

I folded for a while a few yrs ago, but I cannot recall my username, so I'm just starting from scratch= naja002

I have a few questions, but I'll just start a new thread(s).....:up:

Thank you for your contribution to a Distributed Computing with us at dimes/f@h/wcg :)
:welcome:

[Naja002]

Thanx for the Welcome! :up: I think I've already answered all of my questions, but.......that's not likely......:ROTF:

Everything is running fine atm.....:up:

[Kingcarcas]

AHHHHH!!! Watch out!! Snake!!!

[SparkyJJO]

:welcome:

[v0dka]

Ok just threw a 4870 on F@H. Does this iter /sec number say anything? I think it looks low compared to some numbers I saw around the net. I'm seeing 700 to 1700 iter /sec jumping up and down when I open the viewer. Clocks are at 790 / 1000Mhz. Load is 100% on the GPU along with 100% WCG on the CPU.

The 4870 is one hot card, I'm afraid my poor old PA120.3 cant take it anymore. The air coming out of the rad is very very warm, even without yesterdays 30C ambient here in the crunching room. And that's with 6 Yate Loons at 12v. Temps on the GPU are hitting 45C and the CPU is exceeding 60.

Also, this fahmon application isnt doing anything for me. Keeps saying work is at 0%?I think I might have confused the program when I accidentally installed the CPU F@H client first, and then installed the GPU client in the same folder?

[vaio]

Isn't the gpu client a standalone app?
Try moving it to it's own folder ;)

[v0dka]

Isn't the gpu client a standalone app?
Try moving it to it's own folder ;)

Hehe, easier said than done no? I cant see what is what, and when i set fahmon to monitor the folder named folding@home-gpu in the F@H directory it doenst recognise anything - so moving that wont work. And I'm afraid I will lose all progress when I just reinstall to a different directory.

In addition to the above little problems, it seems that Vista isnt able to feed the GPU client enough data without one core assigned to it. This pisses me off more than high temps or whatnot. Wasnt this an XP only problem?

[vaio]

Been a long time since I ran it (with a 1900xt) but I just kept the folder on desktop.

Could you not download another copy just to see which files the folder needs, then put them together in new folder?

Sorry, I am so out of touch with folding....I'll stop trying to be helpful now. :)

[v0dka]

Been a long time since I ran it (with a 1900xt) but I just kept the folder on desktop.

Could you not download another copy just to see which files the folder needs, then put them together in new folder?

Sorry, I am so out of touch with folding....I'll stop trying to be helpful now. :)

Seems like a good enough idea to try, appreciate the help :)

[sc00p]

Hehe, easier said than done no? I cant see what is what, and when i set fahmon to monitor the folder named folding@home-gpu in the F@H directory it doenst recognise anything - so moving that wont work. And I'm afraid I will lose all progress when I just reinstall to a different directory.

In addition to the above little problems, it seems that Vista isnt able to feed the GPU client enough data without one core assigned to it. This pisses me off more than high temps or whatnot. Wasnt this an XP only problem?
You must point fahmon to a folder (it's a "hidden" btw):
XP: C:\Documents and Settings\<your_windows_username>\Application Data\Folding@home-gpu\

Vista: C:\Users\<your_windows_username>\AppData\Roaming\Folding@home-gpu\



Have you tried set the gpu-client to "slightly higher" tab on and if it has any difference in performance?
EDIT: You find this via systray and setup (or something like that IIRC, at work right now). Might have to restart the client/windows to take it account.

[v0dka]

You are the man sc00p :up:

[sc00p]

You are the man sc00p :up:
Waht :confused: :D
Everything working fine now ? :up:
(I was afraid that cpu-client could be still lurking below, good if not).

Thanx... glad if I could be a help :cool:

EDIT: almost forgot :welcome: to the team :D

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Yea you can but not with Vista atm
Unless they fixed it it's 1 gpu client per "Vista" machine.
Also Cat.8.5 DOES NOT work for folding, use 8.3 or 8.4
I've also found that when 2 or 3 cards are folding on 1 machine the total
ppd is a lot less then using 3 cards on 3 machines.Mind you that was
on the MSIK9a2 and 9600be @ 2500mhz. Higher cpu freq. should bring higher ppd

Maybe I should make a gpu2 thread? got lots of picks

Didn't we have one? ( browses back to section... )

No we don't... gues you should make one with all the info that is spread around now... Don't ask me, you're the one who proposed it :D

[sc00p]

all the info that is spread around now...
Agreed... a bit of mess again, UnG was on the track for a while :shakes: What can you do... we could use dedicated and hired mod :p:

Welcome back from rehab MtM :rofl:
You're free to pm me for example if you need to ventilate sometimes so it wouldn't lead to so drastic consequences. I plan to stick around here again now that I have had my own holiday used this summer.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Yeah I miss him to. I am so freakingly preoccupied with personal issues ( severe one's... ) that plays a role, but also I am not the kind of person suited to do what he did. If I consolidated knowledge like that, even when I gave references I would get burried under accusations of stealing other people's intelectual property :ROFL:

Atleast it happend in the past, and with me being kind of stuck thinking in circels it make me pretty sure it will happen again. I seen all the info concerning the client posted, here on xs and other forums and I know Mike seen it to and commented on the disabillity currently showing in the fah community to consolidate everything. I think two things are happening, to many teams want to keep the juicy stuff for themselfs and I think allot of people think that with the rate Pande Group is updating clients it's almost no use as it will be obsolete the moment it is posted.

That does not mean there are no good public guides out there, you just need to know where to look :shrug:

[SparkyJJO]

IIRC, in XP both the nvidia and ATI clients need a whole core. In vista, nvidia just uses a couple % while ATI still uses a whole core. I think that's what I've heard.

What we need is a good setup guide written up in the thread linked in my sig, Then Jimwah to edit the first post with the direct link to it. I think that would be helpful. Then a MOD to sticky that thread as well!

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Wow... do I see 3 consequitive posts about the same subject yet no one has done so yet. I'm willing to contribute if something is asked but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons I been a lil out off things last week ( besides my vacation offcourse ) is that my medication has been alterd ( again, and without my consensis or approval ) and I really feel incapable of doing more then formulating a semi english looking post. Which is pretty rough because I just bought my own domain and need to put content on that asap ( personal, related to the stuff in my signature amongst others ).

Story of my life maybe, always have this stuff happen to me at moments I whished I could have been more myself.

Sparky don't you feel up to it? I know you got the enthousiasm, and if you don't know anything sc00p, mike me and everyone else would help where needed. Just start the thread and I'm sure everyone will pinch in and proof read/correct. If it's all done to satisfaction, we get one off our long lost mods to edit it in? I'm not trying to put you in a position where you would feel saying no would reflect badly on yourself, I just thought about it and then realized you yourself must have thought about it and just needed a lil incentive/push :up:

[v0dka]

IIRC, in XP both the nvidia and ATI clients need a whole core. In vista, nvidia just uses a couple % while ATI still uses a whole core. I think that's what I've heard.


I'm seeing around 15% CPU usage on a Q6600 @ 3.8 on Vista Ult 64 bit, but it does work flawlessly with WCG on 4 cores now. :)

[SparkyJJO]

15% usage on ATI in vista? Not bad, apparently it doesn't need a whole core then. Cool beans.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

I'm seeing around 15% CPU usage on a Q6600 @ 3.8 on Vista Ult 64 bit, but it does work flawlessly with WCG on 4 cores now. :)

Yeah newer cores on the Red side made cpu dependancy a lil better almost comparable to the Green team.

How much of a hit did you take on wcg? I mean we can't directly compare points/scientific value but I would like to know the drop.

I hear quads do nice in wcg, if give you my quad ppd in wvg ( eg change client on it from fah ) if you give me equivalent ppd back the quad does in wcg in gpu2 clients for fah, deal?? :D

Edit:

15% usage on ATI in vista? Not bad, apparently it doesn't need a whole core then. Cool beans.

mHouston isn't sitting on his @ss all day long ( or... who stands when coding :rofl: ).

Their making big improvements to both clients all the time :up: I'm missing about 2 new cores if I don't log into the forums daily lol.

[v0dka]

I hear quads do nice in wcg, if give you my quad ppd in wvg ( eg change client on it from fah ) if you give me equivalent ppd back the quad does in wcg in gpu2 clients for fah, deal?? :D


That is a nice offer. But I'm a little worried about the electric stove I call my PA120.3. How long would a 4870 be crunching for that output? I have no understanding of fah point system yet. Fahmon claims I am getting 2350 ppd with the GPU.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Tbh I don't exactly know how much ppd a q6600@3g does in wcg either, I just very much like the idea. I think the advancements made through the gpu clients are more important scientificly then the advantage of my quad on the project, so I'll happilly trade my quad to another folding project if it means getting more gpu's onboard this one :up:

Gpu folding is the way to go, I think wcg and any other major dc project will go ggpu eventually ( anyone heard anything about this?? ) but atm it's just this project and it's one I like very much because of the open results it obtains ( which could then also benefit other folding related dc projects ).

If you want to take me up on the offer shoot me a pm we'll talk about it in private, might be a nice incentive to others if we can work something out :wtf:

All in the name of science :fact:

[v0dka]

I'm very much liking this idea. It's an ideal solution for both teams.

Lets try it out for a week or so and see if my card can hold the load without dying. :D:eek:

[Marvin_The_Martian]

People folded with x19xx cards untill Pande Group discoverd DirectX wasn't producing scientific results, think Ati has more off a proven track record here then Nvidia :up:

[Kingcarcas]

Wait wait wait, i need something cleared up now.....i was just going to switch to Vista because i heard it doesn't need 1 CPU core, how much does the Nvidia client use in XP?
I'm getting an Nvidia card real soon and i was getting ready to sell my X-Fi because of the nightmares i had in the past with Vista.
Plus i heard the Realtek on my board is pretty good:shrug: Also i couldn't flash the firmware on my Creative MP3 player, which i need to do in order for Vista to "see" it and charge it :down:
I'm ready to sell that too.....Down with Creative!!:shakes:

[SparkyJJO]

Kingcarcas... dont' know if you can still find them but do a search for daniel_k's drivers for vista. They work great. Unfortunately I only have the Audigy 2 ZS drivers backed up. Maybe someone here has the ones for the X-Fi stashed away. I've not been too impressed with realtek audio, it was relatively crappy on my previous board compared to my Audigy 2 ZS - background noise and just not as clear.

In XP I believe that either GPU client requires a whole CPU core. Just the way XP handles CPU processing.

[Kingcarcas]

Thanks i'll try to look for them.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

In XP I believe that either GPU client requires a whole CPU core. Just the way XP handles CPU processing.

Afaik that's only semi correct, both will report the same load but I can recall one side even while reporting the same usage actually doing very little ( less power draw then a fully pushed core ). Had to do with the polling, so I'm guessing Nvidia is the one leading with this aspect again.

If my memory is correct, that also ment under xp that folding smp and gpu is possible but I haven't treid that since... ever? What I am trying to say is, you should be capable of putting that core which shows 100% on nvidia polling to do other stuff without chocking the client.

Someone on xp proof me wrong :D

[The_Barnacle]

Mikeb12, just noticed you started folding for Xtreme about a week ago. Welcome and way to make an entrance!

[Marvin_The_Martian]

I think the welcome is late, but you're surely right about the entrance ;) howly cows!

[MikeB12]

thanks for the welcome.... I've been around posting for a while, and been a folder for about a year.... but just started adding units to xs's roster...
I haven't been on the forums much yesterday and today... had a fever yesterday and stayed in bed alot, feel a little better today and no fever, just still not much appetite or energy... must have been a bug or something... I'm sure it''ll pass and i'll get back to reading everything by the weekend... there was a lot of activity in this forum yesterday, I still haven't caught up with all the posts, yall were busy...

[SparkyJJO]

Somehow I was thinking Mike was in the team for longer... seems that way in my brain! :doh: Sorry if I didn't give ya a proper welcome mike!

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Same here Sparky he was on the forum helping people out for a lot longer :up:

Think he still deserves a proper welcoming thread?

[Kingcarcas]

Another defector! Ahoy!
Somehow I was thinking Mike was in the team for longer...
Same here :shocked:

[MikeB12]

road-runner
http://www.scootplace.net/smiles/original/129.gif
just put the hammer down.... http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=318494
34K ppd yesterday....

[SparkyJJO]

:eek2:

[road-runner]

road-runner
http://www.scootplace.net/smiles/original/129.gif
just put the hammer down.... http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=318494
34K ppd yesterday....

Beep beep... :up:

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Roadrunner music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XQur-TOfWU)

:wtf:

[xsbb]

Hello! I just joined in folding for our team. It's time to use this computer for a good cause!

I'm using smp, and using the rig in my sig below.


It's only using my Q6600 at 25% is that normal?

and another thing, how do I get that sig that shows my status of my F@H accomplishments?



Thanks for your input!
XSbb (F@H n00b)

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Hey there :welcome: to the team xsbb :wave:

No, that's not normal. Wel it is, but only if you didn't follow sc00ps guide (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196769) I think ;)

I bet you forgot to add -smp to Advanced options, additional client paramaters ( though in the guide he only covers adding it to the shortcut, I'll post this as addition as it's easier ) :up:

If you close the client now, create a new shortcut to the executable with -configonly and run it ( it's handy for the future to keep that link somewhere ) and change the option, restart the client and let it finish it's current wu, the next wu will be smp if everything goes right. If it doesn't do a fresh install with the right switches from the start and it should be ok. It's still prety bad they expect you to not delete wu's when they make it harder for the high performance client to get the most performance by default from their installations lol :shrug:

[xsbb]

Gah, I tried reinstalling and trying it again. I think im messing up something from the guide.

It's a little frustrating because I want to help out, but if you could make the changes to the guide so that I can fully utilize my Quad to fold that would be great!

I'm a noob at this, but an easier guide could help! :)



Thanks for helping out!

[Marvin_The_Martian]

I can't change other people's posts, I posted the additional information though :up:

But I can help you if you tell me where you go wrong. If you installed again and added the -smp option when configuring the advanced options, additional client parameters it should have worked. But there are some setting, like selecting a to small memory size ( which is also a bug, it can on occasion pick up less ram then you actually have ) or not answering Big when asked about the wu size. So, if you could post your fahlog.txt in [ code ] tags, and if that's not enough also a screenshot off you running through the configuration options ( as sc00p did the guide ). Those could help allot trying to figure out where it goes wrong.

[Kingcarcas]

:welcome:Full speed ahead! :CTF::cheer:

[Geebs]

Roadrunner music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XQur-TOfWU)

:wtf:

Errrm, I was expecting the Road Runner theme... what in the hell was that?

Shoulda had a shocking warning or something.... lol and the poster on utube who said to pause it 1:41... lmao he was right...

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Lol that was just a message for who ever get's in his way it seems :rofl:

Sorry if it offended your hearing, but I guess taste is a personal thing :up:

[Geebs]

Lol that was just a message for who ever get's in his way it seems :rofl:

Sorry if it offended your hearing, but I guess taste is a personal thing :up:

No offense taken my friend... I was just not expecting that with a title like "road runner music" :rofl:

To each his own I guess:up:

[Rise]

I joined 36362 today.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

:cheer: Yeah the more the merries I say :up:

:wave: Welcome to the team, we're having a litle inner competition going but we're all working for the same cause and that's to cure some deseases :up:

Looking at your signature, you will outproduce me for instance without much troubles, and be sure to wave when you pass me bye ( Mike forgot to rub it in... well he did let's not encourage him to do it again and better this time around ;) )

If you ever have any questions, the whole forum is ready to help in an instance. You can pm me or any of the other guys as well.

We're currently going uphill, though with a recent loss we will need all the help to get back on track to the top!

[WFO]

Looking at your signature, you will outproduce me for instance without much troubles, and be sure to wave when you pass me bye ( Mike forgot to rub it in... well he did let's not encourage him to do it again and better this time around ;) )



Hey Marvin, I forgot to wave last night! Too much tequila. :wasntme:


:bounces::wave::wave::wave:

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

I joined 36362 today.

:welcome:

What hardware do you plan on folding with?

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Hey Marvin, I forgot to wave last night! Too much tequila. :wasntme:


:bounces::wave::wave::wave:

Yeah but you're beating ANGRA in daily production and that's even more of a feat then catching me :wave:

I'm hoping though, in time, we'll meet again and I'll be able to turn the tables around :D

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Yeah but you're beating ANGRA in daily production and that's even more of a feat then catching me :wave:

+1

WFO, you've set a new standard. Its really too bad you can't have this productivity 24/7/365.

Thanks again. :up:

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Synthetickiller;3286413']+1

WFO, you've set a new standard. Its really too bad you can't have this productivity 24/7/365.

Thanks again. :up:

I think he does but not for us, on the other hand what does it matter it's for the same goal :D

Edit: btw my first post ment to say, catching me in a month... anyone with a decent gaming rig could catch me atm ;)

[WFO]

Synthetickiller;3286413']+1

WFO, you've set a new standard. Its really too bad you can't have this productivity 24/7/365.

Thanks again. :up:

I think RR is the one who set the standard. :yepp: I'm still trying just to equal his old average. ;)

I found out my power company is planning a rate increase Oct. 1st and a second Jan. 1st. :shocked: I have no idea what that will do to my folding. 2 months ago I ran 6 quads and an X2-4800 full bore for a month and the bill was $500. :shocked: Cutting back to 3 rigs after 2 weeks lowered it to $300. Much more reasonable. :) I like running with the "big dogs" over here. :D I'll be contributing after the 2 week race ends too. :up:

[Rise]

Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be folding with the system in my signature - still not overclocked until the next paycheck comes in for me to buy some WC equipment.

My mom passed away of lung cancer last December 23rd. I'm no doctor, but if I can help by doing this... well, that's what I'll do.

[WFO]

Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be folding with the system in my signature - still not overclocked until the next paycheck comes in for me to buy some WC equipment.

My mom passed away of lung cancer last December 23rd. I'm no doctor, but if I can help by doing this... well, that's what I'll do.

Welcome indeed! :) Every processor counts! :up:


:toast:

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be folding with the system in my signature - still not overclocked until the next paycheck comes in for me to buy some WC equipment.

My mom passed away of lung cancer last December 23rd. I'm no doctor, but if I can help by doing this... well, that's what I'll do.

I'm sorry to hear. Many of us have been personally affected by cancer, myself included.

Pande is doing interesting stuff with this research. I was hoping to see more p53 studies, but maybe that'll be in the future. MDM2 as well and, I hope, more studies that involved the DNA repair pathway.

Its a small part of the puzzle, but the research in very valuable and might help open up new opportunities for distributive computing clients.

Thanks again. :up:

[Kingcarcas]

Welcome aboard mate!:welcome: Have a beer.

[xVeinx]

He's doing work on DNA repair? Like Cohesin and such? Weird... I work on that too :)

Edit: Oh.... only p53 :p:

[p2501]

Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be folding with the system in my signature - still not overclocked until the next paycheck comes in for me to buy some WC equipment.

My mom passed away of lung cancer last December 23rd. I'm no doctor, but if I can help by doing this... well, that's what I'll do.

Welcome to the team! :up:

Sorry to hear about your Mom, my condolences. Let's hope what we're doing here really helps in the end.

[Rise]

Welcome indeed! :) Every processor counts! :up:


:toast:

Synthetickiller;3287292']I'm sorry to hear. Many of us have been personally affected by cancer, myself included.

Pande is doing interesting stuff with this research. I was hoping to see more p53 studies, but maybe that'll be in the future. MDM2 as well and, I hope, more studies that involved the DNA repair pathway.

Its a small part of the puzzle, but the research in very valuable and might help open up new opportunities for distributive computing clients.

Thanks again. :up:

Welcome aboard mate!:welcome: Have a beer.

Welcome to the team! :up:

Sorry to hear about your Mom, my condolences. Let's hope what we're doing here really helps in the end.

Thanks guys :)

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Sorry to hear about your mother Rise, mine died of liver cancer and in this team you'll find allot of people who lost loved one's and want to get even. Crunching is a nice way to do it isn't it :up:

[Rise]

Sorry to hear about your mother Rise, mine died of liver cancer and in this team you'll find allot of people who lost loved one's and want to get even. Crunching is a nice way to do it isn't it :up:

It's too easy not to do it. If you can help save lives by putting your computer to work, well, it's silly not to. :yepp:

[Marvin_The_Martian]

It's too easy not to do it. If you can help save lives by putting your computer to work, well, it's silly not to. :yepp:

I like your thinking, I really do :up:

[hawkeyefan]

Joined today.

8800GT 512MB @ 764/1890/1100 ...still shaking out what it can handle F@H.

Question: running the client under Vista x64. Is 18-25% use of one core normal? I see peeps running the same with as low as 7-9%. Don't want to pull too much from WCG if possible but will run F@H regardless. Tips or tricks?

thanx

[SparkyJJO]

Hey hawkeye :wave:

I run XP on both mine so I see 100% usage all the time. I don't know what the typical vista usage is for the nvidia client though :shrug:

[[XC] 4X4N]

Joined today.

8800GT 512MB @ 764/1890/1100 ...still shaking out what it can handle F@H.

Question: running the client under Vista x64. Is 18-25% use of one core normal? I see peeps running the same with as low as 7-9%. Don't want to pull too much from WCG if possible but will run F@H regardless. Tips or tricks?

thanx

Nice clocks on that card :up: I have 3 8800gt's and can't get over 1800 shaders on any of them.

What cpu are you using? 18-25% is about what a dual core uses, 7-10% on a quad. But it changes all the time, that should be peak usage. Most of the time it's below 5%. That's when nothing else is using the cpu. Kind of hard for me to tell though because I have WCG running along with F@H.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

4X4N;3310285']Nice clocks on that card :up: I have 3 8800gt's and can't get over 1800 shaders on any of them.

What cpu are you using? 18-25% is about what a dual core uses, 7-10% on a quad. But it changes all the time, that should be peak usage. Most of the time it's below 5%. That's when nothing else is using the cpu. Kind of hard for me to tell though because I have WCG running along with F@H.

Three cards sitting at 14% to 22%, but peaks around 44% once in a while on a 3.2 ghz amd x2. :up:

[hawkeyefan]

4X4N;3310285']Nice clocks on that card :up: I have 3 8800gt's and can't get over 1800 shaders on any of them.

What cpu are you using? 18-25% is about what a dual core uses, 7-10% on a quad. But it changes all the time, that should be peak usage. Most of the time it's below 5%. That's when nothing else is using the cpu. Kind of hard for me to tell though because I have WCG running along with F@H.

Yeah, tbh I haven't really pushed the card yet to see exactly what it will do. F@H seems more forgiving than most 3D apps so I might gain a bit more there and use a RivaTuner launch item for crunching if it can handle higher clocks. I can run 3DMark05 through Vantage @764/1890/1167 at least. Where do I check to see if my F@H results are valid (stable clocks)?

And I'm running on the rig in my sig so the ~20% average seems about right. I didn't realize the lower CPU utilization was occurring on quads, thanks for pointing that out.

[sniperbob]

hey, i just started folding tonight. Using my new AMD 5400+ BE CPU for good and evil (folding and COD4 hehe). My mother is an Oncology Nurse Practitioner and I have a large family history of cancer. What an amazing thing folding really is.

[road-runner]

:welcome:

[Kondik]

:wtf: Welcome Bob

[p2501]

Welcome aboard Bob, have a nice stay! :yepp::welcome:

[sniperbob]

THANKS! everyone. Just glad to be a part. I am currently running SMP for my Black Edition and the GPU client for one of my two MSI 8600GTS's

[WFO]

hey, i just started folding tonight. Using my new AMD 5400+ BE CPU for good and evil (folding and COD4 hehe). My mother is an Oncology Nurse Practitioner and I have a large family history of cancer. What an amazing thing folding really is.

:welcome:

Is that username only "game"related? Back in the day I did quite a bit of highpower and long range rifle competitions. Shooting X's at 1000 yards with iron sights is almost but not quite the thrill racing is. :up:

[Bobsama]

My HD3850 is folding for you guys now.

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=Bobsama

[MaK2000]

We need to assign someone to start a new roster and keep it updated with how many people we have coming in now. Just a suggestion... not me.

[SparkyJJO]

We need to assign someone to start a new roster and keep it updated with how many people we have coming in now. Just a suggestion... not me.

Here we go.... :D
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&a=1&t=36362

(yes I'm lazy!)

[Rise]

My HD3850 is folding for you guys now.

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=Bobsama

:welcome: :)

[C.Ron7aldo]

Hey i Just Started Folding last night I'm Using my 8800GTX and my 4Ghz Qx9650 :D

[Kondik]

Hey i Just Started Folding last night I'm Using my 8800GTX and my 4Ghz Qx9650 :D

:welcome: aboard lad

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Hey i Just Started Folding last night I'm Using my 8800GTX and my 4Ghz Qx9650 :D

Another person who will climb through the ranks pretty quick :up:

Welcome and happy folding :)

[SparkyJJO]

:welcome:

[p2501]

Hey i Just Started Folding last night I'm Using my 8800GTX and my 4Ghz Qx9650 :D

:welcome::yepp:

[Shadowtester]

Hey i Just Started Folding last night I'm Using my 8800GTX and my 4Ghz Qx9650 :D

With that setup you should climb the ranks quickly but be warned its addictive :)

[NeverMore]

Alright. I'm dedicating my machine's free-time to F@H.

Q6600 @ 3.6Ghz and my GTX280.

^_^

[MikeB12]

/\awesome!/\

[Marvin_The_Martian]

:toast: Welcome

[DAK1640]

:welcome: and thanks for helping...:up:

[WFO]

Alright. I'm dedicating my machine's free-time to F@H.

Q6600 @ 3.6Ghz and my GTX280.

^_^

Nice hardware! :up::welcome:

[xguntherc]

I've also started also as of yesterday I ran 4 WU's on my GTX260.

I've just finished fine tuning and getting this system right, and added my Q9650 at 4.0 ghz. I'm going to go up to 4.2 Ghz sometime this week, as it's stable there also. Not sure how much farther I can go. but I'll most likely be folding at 4.0 ghz and with my 260. I'll start the CPU folding on top of GPU2 as soon as my 2 new yate loons get here tomorrow in Da mail.

I'm ranked 125 already.. lol. 3 from last. but that was only after 4 hours of a single day.

Thanks for all the info to everyone that helped me get started!

[Marvin_The_Martian]

I've also started also as of yesterday I ran 4 WU's on my GTX260.

I've just finished fine tuning and getting this system right, and added my Q9650 at 4.0 ghz. I'm going to go up to 4.2 Ghz sometime this week, as it's stable there also. Not sure how much farther I can go. but I'll most likely be folding at 4.0 ghz and with my 260. I'll start the CPU folding on top of GPU2 as soon as my 2 new yate loons get here tomorrow in Da mail.

I'm ranked 125 already.. lol. 3 from last. but that was only after 4 hours of a single day.

Thanks for all the info to everyone that helped me get started!

Is it time again? Yeah I think so :up:

You should know one thing though, the people you're passing left right and center, those with so 'few' points maybe in your eyes with now stagnant profiles, well they might have folded harder then you can imagine. The points you can make in one day, is something people folded weeks for in the past, no joke. Not saying that is bad, just wanted to tell you to respect evereyone you're passing, as they rightously deserve such.

Other then that. welcome :wave: and I'll be waiting untill you pass me :cool::up:

[xguntherc]

Oh, no no. I wasn't disrespecting anyone.. if anything I was bagging on myself saying I was 3 from LAST!

but I do see your point. Not everyone is as fortunate as me to have a system that pushes this. Others may have folded 24/7 for a good while to get where I did in a day. I saw one guy only a few above me. with only a little more points, but he'd done over 400 WU's.. and I've done 4.. So I completely see your point on that.

and I don't think I'll be passing you anytime soon.. or will I?? ;)

[Marvin_The_Martian]

I didn't say you where :confused:

It's all with good intention xguntherc :up:

And who knows, I'm not upgrading in the near future unless I win the lottery ( which I don't play atm so... can't win it either ) :rofl:

Try your hardest and you might succeed, or push me enough to screw life essentials and buy me some more folding gear :wtf: