View Full Version : Yonah will not work in existing boards!
bhoward
10-18-2005, 10:34 AM
According to AnandTech, the Yonah will not be compatiable with current hardware
Yonah Tidbits
Intel's next generation Centrino, dubbed Napa, launches early January, 2006. The core component of Napa is Intel's 65nm Yonah processor, a Dothan successor. As we mentioned a few days ago, Yonah will have a new product naming scheme compared to Dothan and Banias, but it will also use an electrically incompatible 479/478 pin socket. Thus, existing 915GM and 855GME motherboards will not work with the new processor.
Fortunately, many manufacturers are already working on two different chipsets to succeed the existing mobile on desktop (MOD) motherboards. The first of these, 945GT, is nearly an identical revision to Intel's 945G, but will feature the new Yonah specific socket. As with other Intel CPUs, the 945 and 955 North Bridges are required to enable both cores. 945GT will show up for several small form factor and HTPC PCs, but vendors tell us there are no full scale ATX motherboard designs in the works.
Intel's 945GM is a follow up chip to 945GT, but will feature SO-DIMM DDR2. 945GM will be used mainly for laptops and ultra portables, but we will also see set-top DVRs based on the 945GM as well due to the profile advantages.
See the whole article Here (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2569)
dicecca112
10-18-2005, 10:53 AM
for the love of christ intel stop upgrading and changing the damn chipset
mrlobber
10-18-2005, 11:34 AM
Yet I saw in the same article, ECS is going to put Yonah's socket on an 975X board. Now if DFI did the same... :slobber:
m3csl2004
10-18-2005, 12:47 PM
same as the first reply - hate the way intel expect people to pay huge prices just to upgrade cpu
btw mrlobber - av in brilliant
I am sure they have a good reason to change the socket again.
I am sure we see quad-channel DDR5 with built-in ice cream maker.
nn_step
10-18-2005, 07:30 PM
what is that 20 socket changes in less than 1 Year!
I think they need to sit down and make a 20 step plan before they piss more people off...
death metal
10-18-2005, 08:29 PM
For most people, not extreme and enthusiasts, getting a packaged/built PC will surely lasts them years not months, so CPU upgrading will hardly be an issue for them...
cirthix
10-18-2005, 08:52 PM
god dammn... intel has more chipsets this year than vid cards have come out! from what i've gathered, they shoudl be compatable, but i guess i was wrong. we will see in a few months though.
Supertim0r
10-18-2005, 09:04 PM
I must admit...DFI really need a decent Intel DDR2 board :mad:
I dunno, if some manufacturers could make PD compatible mobos out of i875, or make a PM run on desktop mobos, then I see no reason why someone couldn't come up with a Yonah mobo based on any PD capable chipset.
Pressure
10-19-2005, 10:28 AM
Some people need to learn how to count . . .
Regardless, if you fit an existing board with the rewired socket and it has the VRM needed to support Yonah, I see no reason why it should not work with current chipsets.
A smart move would be to produce Socket 775 Yonah's as well ;)
skane
10-19-2005, 11:50 AM
lets hope asus comes out with a revision of the ct479 for yonah, or that another mobo manufacturer makes one.
cirthix
10-19-2005, 11:53 AM
lets hope asus comes out with a revision of the ct479 for yonah, or that another mobo manufacturer makes one.
i've been wishing that for quite some time now heh.
tonyl
10-20-2005, 06:02 PM
I'm trying to get a mobo, should i wait?
guryhwa
10-20-2005, 08:07 PM
ASUS will make the convertor....:D
tonyl
10-21-2005, 07:54 AM
ASUS will make the convertor....:D
Just hoping?
Sentential
10-21-2005, 08:52 AM
I dont see how this is a big suprise to people who have been paying attention to this. It has been stated long ago that Yonah would be on an updated Dothan style-socket. ie mPGA480 (478 actual pins rev2).
The one to watch is Conroe. It will not need a new socket or chipset to function normally from what I know of it. It should work just fine in any LGA775 board currentally on the market.
A smart move would be to produce Socket 775 Yonah's as well ;)
That is what Conroe is
HKPolice
10-21-2005, 09:56 AM
I dont see how this is a big suprise to people who have been paying attention to this. It has been stated long ago that Yonah would be on an updated Dothan style-socket. ie mPGA480 (478 actual pins rev2).
The one to watch is Conroe. It will not need a new socket or chipset to function normally from what I know of it. It should work just fine in any LGA775 board currentally on the market.
That is what Conroe is
I doubt that, since Merom will be socket compatible with Yonah, and Merom is the mobile version of Conroe. Sounds like they're ditching LGA775 completely after Conroe...
idiotec
10-21-2005, 11:51 AM
The one to watch is Conroe. It will not need a new socket or chipset to function normally from what I know of it. It should work just fine in any LGA775 board currentally on the market.
Well, it will still need a chipset compliant with dual core such as 945/955. I will be screwed with my 925 chipset I'm sure :mad:
m3csl2004
10-22-2005, 01:13 PM
anyone know if there will be a celeron m dual core?????
thanks
Astral7
10-22-2005, 04:03 PM
Conroe is the desktop version of Merom.
Conroe will need the 975 chipset.
Making an adapter for Jonah won't be any more difficult than was Dothan.
Hans.Gruber
10-22-2005, 04:29 PM
I am sure they have a good reason to change the socket again.
It's Intels only hope to make some profit, since they have to sell CPU's at low prices due to competition.
Astral7
10-22-2005, 06:23 PM
It's Intels only hope to make some profit, since they have to sell CPU's at low prices due to competition.
That's funny:
Desktop sockets over the last few years:
Intel - 478 and 775
AMD - 462, 754, 939, 940, M2
Hans.Gruber
10-22-2005, 06:42 PM
That's funny:
Desktop sockets over the last few years:
Intel - 478 and 775
AMD - 462, 754, 939, 940, M2
That is AMD's 7 years without the M2.
And what i said is true, but you can stay in your dreams, i wont bother to explain.
Astral7
10-22-2005, 07:22 PM
No no, please do explain. I can see you are a highly experienced overclocker, I would love to hear your thoughts on intel's plans for '06.
BTW loved your performance in DieHard.
That's funny:
Desktop sockets over the last few years:
Intel - 478 and 775
AMD - 462, 754, 939, 940, M2
AMD is included with both mobile and server sockets, yeah 754 are both desktop and mobile and 940 was both FX and Opteron... But you should add 370(since you mentioned 462, though that one stayed much longer), 423(well, our all time favorite...), 479(because people want it for desktop), 480(or whatever, but it will show up before M2 for sure and people want that one for desktop too), 603, 604. Itanium anyone? :slap: (socket 611)
Before K8 it looked like this...
Intel - 370, 423, 478, 479, 603
AMD - 462
accord99
10-23-2005, 02:11 PM
It's Intels only hope to make some profit, since they have to sell CPU's at low prices due to competition.
Intel has higher average selling prices and lower costs than AMD.
Hans.Gruber
10-23-2005, 04:17 PM
Intel has higher average selling prices and lower costs than AMD.
Count those server CPU prices also.
Opterons are more expensive (just the CPU) because those perform better, and that's where money is made (servers).
lutjens
10-23-2005, 05:11 PM
Intel has kept the same physical socket for the dual core chips, but I highly doubt it was by design. In their haste to get into dual core (and match AMD), they were forced to use existing sockets, but in order to make it work, they were forced to rewire them (Socket 775 and now Socket 479).
It is really a piss off though...I desperately want a new Dell M170 laptop, but I want the ability to use Yonah (and Sossaman) as well.
Intel has kept the same physical socket for the dual core chips, but I highly doubt it was by design. In their haste to get into dual core (and match AMD), they were forced to use existing sockets, but in order to make it work, they were forced to rewire them (Socket 775 and now Socket 479).
So how come that some old 875 boards works with PD?
cirthix
10-23-2005, 05:24 PM
some could argue (and have a good point) that intel deleberiately dropped dual core support from the i915, i925, and i945 chipsets to boost i955 sales.
Astral7
10-23-2005, 05:49 PM
So how come that some old 875 boards works with PD?
Which boards?
some could argue (and have a good point) that intel deleberiately dropped dual core support from the i915, i925, and i945 chipsets to boost i955 sales.
945 does support DC.
cirthix
10-24-2005, 01:17 AM
sorry bout that... you get the idea though.
speed bump
10-24-2005, 07:25 AM
I'm thinking that maybe 975x will stay around for awhile, I'm pretty sure that the 925x was to go to the new socket and put out DDR2/PCI-E 925xe was to fix those bugs, and 955x was becuase they weren't expecting AMD to actually pull off the dual cores until they had time to perfect there dual cores and chipset to go with them.
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