FINALLY got my redlines today... Wtf is up with my 32M times?

[afireinside]

So my redlines came this morning. Maxed them at 260mhz with these timings. Memtest erorrs 160 times in pass 1 then errors all over. No clue what thats all about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/a64tweaker.jpg

I run 32M at 2860 or something 260mhz ram and get this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/GCS0044.jpg

Jason tells me ricky tweak isn't good for pi so I reformat win xp pro sp2, install NF4 drivers, 5.8 cats, smart guardian, pi, cpuz, 3d03, CG, and SP2004. I run 32m at 3120mhz 260mhz ram and get THIS:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/wtfpi.jpg

I just about cried after that. Afterwards I got this 1M:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/1mafter.jpg

Then I booted win 2k and 3d01 ran great! 32M won't even start in 2k, though. Just sits there. Doesn't even start initial loop.


Heres my old 32M at 3ghz with my 2*256 BH5
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/GCS0010.jpg

Haven't had a chance to swap back to my BH5 since I have homework to do but there is something seriously wrong here if 1m and 3d01 can run fine but 32m runs slower than crap.

[Vapor]

Out of curiosity...what's up with your third image.....32min 22sec @ 3.12GHz?!

Otherwise it looks like you've got some alright Redline on your hands....can't wait for some more results with DICE :D

[afireinside]

Yes, thats 32m 22s 32M pi. Thats why I made this thread. Something is WAYYYYYYY wrong.

And they're craplines. Sentential told me they were having wonderful yields and I'd get some killer sticks back from RMA. I waited 3 weeks and 200 dollars for sub par results. Sorry but 260mhz just flat out sucks.

[Vapor]

Alright, as long as I wasn't the first to say it.....anyway, let's see what we can do to get more out of them.

Can you please run memtest for Windows? That might give us some direction although I have a hunch that the CPU might have a tad to do with it....can you run 2860/11 with your Ricky Tweak install?

[afireinside]

the 2860/11 26m WAS ricky tweak. I deleted that partition and reformatted after.

I don't have memtest for windows. I ran the memtest in DFI BIOS. 1 error in test 3, 8 in test 4, about 150 in test 6, and then im fine till pass 2 where it errors all over.

[Vapor]

Ooops...misread "isn't", LOL.....

I know this is a cardinal sin with UTT, but drop your trrd back to 2 or something and try again.

And also back down from 3120 slowly, do times improve?

[afireinside]

I tried all sorts of setups. I tried all the 1s back to 2s and even 3s. I tried droping the mem to 240mhz as well.

[Vapor]

Hmmmm....tried a different tref or a different preamble maybe?

This is puzzling....there's NOTHING outwardly wrong or peculiar other than your results :stick:

[|3ourne]

try 7ns Max async and 5ns Read Preamble .

[Vapor]

Not on an Opteron, dude....that ain't gonna even boot. :stick:

[|3ourne]

i might be wrong but my Redlines love that settings , doesnt matter what proc its on .
I have tried a winnie , clawhammer , venice , manchester and opteron . All love 7ns and 5ns. He might get different results . No harm in trying though :)

[Vapor]

True, no harm in at least trying. I'll bet it won't boot though (seeing as AFI's is VERY similar to mine). ;)

This might be crazy AFI, but you've forgotten this once already...did you set it to realtime (or at least high)?

[afireinside]

I always run real time.

I tried async and preambles all over the place with both the redlines and my BH5s. Opterons need 8/7 to boot high clocks. 7ns async fails 1m on the 3rd loop.

[Vapor]

Welp, that settles it, Eric is officially out of ideas....sorry mate.

I'll post if I think of something though.

[mad mikee]

@ your desired voltage and see if that at least starts to clean up errors. Isn't most UTT supposed to be improve w/ burnin? (Start w/ 240 and try to keep chasing by 1-2FSB/hr?)

[afireinside]

#5 doesn't error at all for me...

burnin is a myth.

BTW the memory is stable at 260mhz AFAIK. My 32m times are whack though.

[[XC] moddolicous]

I got one idea, but it sounds pretty stupid: Try setting the memclk to 200 instead of 166, unless its supposed to be like that. Try trfc of 13, and also set the tref to 200 15.6 to make sure that isnt the problem.

[Revv23]

burn in isnt a myth imo, at least not with UTT/BH/CH.


the key is getting it to error in memtest 5, then letting it go all night, like with 5-6 errors a pass....

anyways i dont think mushkins will benifit as i think mushkin optimizes thier stuff pretty good, i know my mushy BLK Lv.II didnt gain from burn in, and my kingston PC3000 gained several mhz from it.

as for your pi problem, i dont have a clue.

[charlie]

I STILL love my REDLINES, fired them up today with my new X2...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38532

[afireinside]

I can't run it over night my rig runs 2 delta fans and 3 other fans. I can't sleep with all that on in addition to my usual computer.

Either way, burn in will not help my problem and I could care less about how fast it goes. 260mhz and im good to 3.64ghz which I won't get anyway. I want my 32m to work.

[eva2000]

afireinside what hard drive config type you're running as well try fresh install and no tweaks beyond disabling windows themes and set for visual effects to 'adjust for best performance' and superpi real time and see what times you post as those are really slow i.e.

http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/FX57/MCW6002/SLI-DR/OCZ/2GB_PC4000EB/2_1/623_3/LDT3x/10x/282-282-3328-8-16-2213_1.4-1.3-1.6-2.64_1552_ds8ddsAUTO_8F5_16clk_16x7x/superpi-32m_twk_tn.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/FX57/MCW6002/SLI-DR/OCZ/2GB_PC4000EB/2_1/623_3/LDT3x/11x/274-274-3328-8-16-2213_1.475-1.3-1.6-2.64_1552_ds8ddsAUTO_8F5_16clk_16x7x/superpi-32m_twk_tn.jpg

even your 3ghz 2x 256MB BH-5 32M time is slow
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/FX57/MCW6002/SLI-DR/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2x512/pair1_331125_337061/623_3/LDT4x/11x/260-260-2225-7-14-2212_1.38-1.3-1.6-3.44_3120_ds3dds1_16clk_7F5_16x7x/superpi-32m_tn.jpg

WinXP SP2
6.53WHQL chipset drivers

oh yeah enable Dynamic Idle Cycle

[bachus_anonym]

I have seen something like that before but totally don't remember how I fixed it. My SPi times sucked big time as well as Sandra Bandwidth benchmark. It was definetely OS-related problem.
I would start with re-flashing your BIOS, clear CMOS, format partition and one more reinstall, followed by NF4 drivers only... Wait before you install Catalyst...

[afireinside]

Alright I'll give that a shot tomorrow :(

It's a fresh install, no real tweaking beyond what you mentioned.

It doesn't run on my win 2k partiton at all either. I need to see what happens if I put back my bh5.

[Vincentvega18]

yeah, i was going to suggest taking a look at the bandwidth numbers.

[eva2000]

sandra bandwidth means nothing for 1MB cache san diego cores as it doesn't show the real speed of the cpu as it's always lower bandwidth than venice or clawhammers

[bachus_anonym]

sandra bandwidth means nothing for 1MB cache san diego cores as it doesn't show the real speed of the cpu as it's always lower bandwidth than venice or clawhammers
That is true... What I meant, though, was that when something like that happened to me once, bandwidth scores were A LOT (into many 100s of MB/s) lower compared to what it should be, by looking at earlier numbers. That just a side note to AFI's problem. It's clearly OS related. I think I remember, that re-flashing BIOS helped, together with a format followed by fresh install.

[ahmad]

Dividers could sometimes go crazy on you. Try a different one if possible. Another thing is HTT speed. Different HTT multis give different results.. but this is usually not the case. Another thing is tref. Could give you numbers all over the place depending on your CPU speed.

Also if your PSU is crappy (a lot of voltage fluctuation) it might do something like that. Just watch your rails I guess during a 32m run (or up vcore possibly).

And I am sorry. For CPUs, burning in makes a difference regardless of what you think :stick:

[afireinside]

Burning in on a CPU doesn't do **** and the CPU isn't the issue here. If burn in works then prove it. My PSU is an OCZ 520 watt. CPU runs 3200mhz water, im far from maxed. Other than ram and timings all my settings are exactly the same as last time.

[Cranox]

Afireinside , i got also bad 32M time.
If u run it go check ure taskmanager like i did picture (http://www.cranox.com/Rest/Overclock/taskmanager-1024.jpg)
1M , 2M , 8M , 16M is no problem.

Everything else runs fine so i dont care , but if u got a solution let us now pls.

[eva2000]

Cranox you're using win2000 ? probably why your times are bad for superpi

[Cranox]

yes its win2000 pro + sp4
Its an old instalation , i think i gonna put XP on it when i got some time.

[eva2000]

win2k suxs for superpi especially 32M heh

[[XC] Jaco]

maybe Superpi is just slow the first time you run it on a fresh install ?
just thinking out loud here

[afireinside]

To bad I ran it about 10 times at various speeds...

I'll try it soon but I may be skating tonight so no time.

[Zeus]

AFI, i had the very same problem, look at my postings in "The Unofficial Opteron Overclocking Thread" .

I had no idea what caused this.

I tried to reinstall windows XP but i never got it to boot again after the install.
It just showed the windows splashsscreen without the (blue= proffesional) bar running for about 2 seconds, BSOD for a splitsecond and reboot.

Could boot into safemode, installed drivers and dirX 9, reboot, same thing!
Beats me..

Fortunately i had a copy of win 2K here, which installed and booted without problems.

If you want to run SuperPi larger than 4M you have to enable Large System Cache in register.
Reboot and it will run anything up to 32M as fine as win XP.

Here's my 32M with win2K and Large System Cache enabled:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38591&stc=1

[Zeus]

Here's how to enable Large System Cache:

Go to :

Start>run>type: "regedit">HKEY local Machine>system>current control list>session manager>memory management>large system cache>
change value from 0 to 1, reboot and you're set. ;)

[afireinside]

That doesn't help. I wan't to run in XP pro since it's faster.

[[XC] Jaco]

what if you try other memory ? still get crappy 32M times ?

[afireinside]

3120mhz 260mhz ram
26.5 1m
4m 50s 8m
32m 32m

32m is the same no matter what speed pretty much and with my mushkin BH5 that I used before.

Trying 32m in win 2k now

[eva2000]

slow hard drive, bad sata or IDE cable or wrong DMA mode on drive can also slow things down -- check those too :)

[afireinside]

Maybe the DMA mode? My 1m 8m and 3d03 are spot on...

15m 7s at loop 16 of 32m in win 2k as I type...

[eva2000]

still on win2k ? that suxs for superpi, move to winxp pro sp2 with latest windows updates ASAP!

[afireinside]

No no no, I USE win xp pro sp2 for pi but thats where I'm having my 32m issue. I have a win 2k partition on the same drive that I run catalyst 4.12s on with DX 8.1 for 3dmark01 so I booted to that and tried 32m to see if it was an issue with my hardware or my windows install.

[eva2000]

Maybe got a spare drive you can plug in for a full fresh winxp install and see ?

[afireinside]

I only have 3 drives... 1 gaming install, 1 data, 1 benching :( I'll reinstall XP soon. time to break 40k 3d01 now :D

[dinos22]

AFI..........I have a problem with 32M times too.............1M times are unbelievably fast BUT 8M and 32M times are :banana::banana::banana::banana:house..........

Abit AN8 Ultra with Venice at 2.9Ghz RAM on 263MHz 2.5-3-3-6 (GSkill TCCD)
32M SuperPI 25m 50sec
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9729/2901mhz1675v32msuperpigskillle.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2901mhz1675v32msuperpigskillle.jpg)


DFI SLI-D with Opteron at 2.9Ghz RAM on 290MHz 2.5-4-3-7 (GSkill TCCD)
32M SuperPI 26m 00sec
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/9705/32m290mhz25437at29ghzdivider6h.jpg (http://img414.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32m290mhz25437at29ghzdivider6h.jpg)


my 1M SPI times are GREAT
http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/2328/fastest1msuperpitime27641s4zj.jpg (http://img437.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fastest1msuperpitime27641s4zj.jpg)

[Bamboo]

Set the Dynamic Idle Counter to ENABLE, Max Async to 8ns, Read Preamble to 5.5ns, this will help, especially the Dynamic Idle Counter.

[Vapor]

I'm thinking it's the 183 divider.....I get some crummy times using it as well (which is why I've been giving preference to my Redlines). And Bamboo--these Opterons won't work at these speeds with that 'low' of a preamble.

[dinos22]

Set the Dynamic Idle Counter to ENABLE, Max Async to 8ns, Read Preamble to 5.5ns, this will help, especially the Dynamic Idle Counter.
hi mate..........no Dynamic Idle Counter did not help....i've already tried it................Read Preamble cannot be lowere unfortunately but i've had the same one on Abit too

also 183 divider maybe playing up like Vapor says but i've tried 166 divider as well and no difference :(

[Bamboo]

Sorry and thanks, Opteron is quite a different experience I guess.

[Revv23]

maybe try the unpatched version of superpi? or just a different one?

it sure doesnt sound like a hardware or OS problem.

[drcrawn]

#5 doesn't error at all for me...

burnin is a myth.

BTW the memory is stable at 260mhz AFAIK. My 32m times are whack though.

anytime Pi is taking longer than it should, usually this mean the CPU is undervolted in my experience.

[afireinside]

If it's a CPU voltage issue then why would it run great in 2k but not XP? I think I just need to reinstall OS...