MUSHKIN PC4000 2gB SMOOKKIINNNNN!!

[charlie]

Great pre-production sticks here...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38487

Very similar to the popular EB sticks.

2-3-2 1t approx 230mhz
2.5-3-2 1t approx 250+
3-3-2 1t approx 290+


C

[Vincentvega18]

:slobber: based on the same stuff as the new ocz im assuming from results.?

[babyelf]

awesome pair of memory :D

i'll be waiting for the 290+ shot ;)

[Vapor]

This looks like some improved OCZ stuff ;)

Good lookin' results there Charlie :D

[bachus_anonym]

@Charlie,

Have you switched mobos yet or you're still on Asus? If so, then was that 235Mhz 6-2-3-2.5-1T max you could get 32M stable on a new mobo?

[charlie]

Pretty fun stuff to play with... really FLEXIBLE, reminds me of TCCD in that it'll run multiple timing levels at different mhz. I'm still not 100% optimized here with this new SLI-DR, I'm on 0623/Orange... may try 704-BT later. Optimal voltage seems to be around 2.87v. Here's 280...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38494

[Vapor]

Can it do 2-2-2 @ 200?

[Veil^^]

Can they break the 300+ barrier?

[charlie]

A bedtime gift for BACHUS ;)

2.5-3-2 is my favorite setting for these sticks... at about 260 they'd be GREAT!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38495

[babyelf]

lol bachus can sleep tight now

[skane]

when will they come available?

[Vapor]

Soon. ;)

[HiJon89]

I have to take your results with a grain of salt Charlie, you always get results with Mushkin memory that very few can duplicate, like your Mushkin Blue's in the 270's :p:

[ZeroX]

And the mushkin redline's @ 285mhz.. :rolleyes:

Impressive results... if all the mushkin 2gb infineon kits are that good... but i doubt it

Keep up the good work ;)

[Major]

Things are looking good for 1gig sticks ! :toast:

[charlie]

I have to take your results with a grain of salt Charlie, you always get results with Mushkin memory that very few can duplicate, like your Mushkin Blue's in the 270's :p:

Be nice ;)
Those blue's were just nice BH5-UTT... lots of people were taking their BH5-UTT to 270ish, and the Redlines... a month after their release, I thought my Redline sticks were only average...

These 2gB sticks look retail to me. Packaging, etc all look like off the shelf. They look similar to the EB's... possibly using the same IC's. My results are pretty consistent with the other users of this IC, right?

C

[Zebbo]

Nice clocks like always charlie ;)

[HiJon89]

Be nice ;)
Those blue's were just nice BH5-UTT... lots of people were taking their BH5-UTT to 270ish, and the Redlines... a month after their release, I thought my Redline sticks were only average...

These 2gB sticks look retail to me. Packaging, etc all look like off the shelf. They look similar to the EB's... possibly using the same IC's. My results are pretty consistent with the other users of this IC, right?

C
Sorry if I offended, I was just saying Mushkin seems to have a habit of sending you some of their better sticks... lucky :D

[Stoner@Large]

Are you aloud to tell us what IC's are on those sticks. They look like my be-6's but better. Cas 3 does nothin for me so im topped out at 254 2.5,3,2,5 1t

[Vapor]

I'm more than 99% sure they're CE-6, like the OCZ.

[charlie]

Are you aloud to tell us what IC's are on those sticks. They look like my be-6's but better. Cas 3 does nothin for me so im topped out at 254 2.5,3,2,5 1t

I honestly don't know... and I can't pull the spreaders off 'cuz I have to send the sticks back :(

C

[Vapor]

They're CE-6 and are some very good ones at that....shame you have to send the sticks back Charlie.

[ahmad]

ooooh is this the stuff you mentioned in the OCZ post which you then quickly editted out so OCZ doesn't get you into trouble :P

Some of us are watching.. ha.

BTW very nice results.

[guess2098]

woow, haven't on for a while and so many good 2GB kits just pop out.....
my $$ is saying good bye to me.........

[gundamit]

Easy solution to heatspreader issue Charlie, don't send them back ;) Before you do send them back please test CAS 3. Gaspar's CE-6 did 280 at CAS 3 which distinguishes them from other Infineons. Full tweaker shots would be nice.

Even if they can run CAS 2.5 at 265 like my Patriots, that still not enough to unseat the Crucials as the default 2x1gig set for OCers. Would love to see Infineon vs. Crucial at same CPU clock and tweaked to their speed/timing sweet spots. I'm guessing speed still trumps tighter timings.

Here's Corsair's take on the same IC. (http://hi-techreviews.com/reviews/3500LL%20Pro/P3.htm)

[charlie]

Yeah, they're fine at 3-3-2... tested up to 284, believe they'll do 290.

C

[Gaspar]

Nice results. whats the price tag on those?

[railer]

did you ever tried to use em on your Dothan rig. i heard that tccd does well with dothans? Im in need of 2g for my rig.
Thanks

[charlie]

did you ever tried to use em on your Dothan rig. i heard that tccd does well with dothans? Im in need of 2g for my rig.
Thanks

I don't have a Dothan rig currently. But these sticks are NOT TCCD, they're something entirely different!

And yes, TCCD worked QUITE well on my Dothan/P4C800 and P4GD1 rigs... especially my MUSHKIN PC4400 sticks.

C

[Perc]

where can we buy these are they even out to the genral public yet? what will they be called so i can look for them?

thx perc,

[gbomb944]

Given that you have the ballistix and the patriots Gundamit which is better?
Are the patriots much worse than the ballistix? Ever done max vs max with the same cpu speed?

[charlie]

where can we buy these are they even out to the genral public yet? what will they be called so i can look for them?

thx perc,

I'm thinking the first place to look would be mushkin.com... then the "usuals" shortly after that.

My bad... I guess they're not QUITE out yet.

C

[Sentential]

I'm thinking the first place to look would be mushkin.com... then the "usuals" shortly after that.

EDIT:
Appears to be THIS
http://mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=239


C
Nah thats not it. What you have will be something else entirely if what Im told is correct

[babyelf]

3-4-3-8 should be UCCC

urs should be an un-announced awesome modules :D

[uOpt]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146397

?

[Vapor]

Nope.

[charlie]

Coming REAL soon

[gundamit]

Given that you have the ballistix and the patriots Gundamit which is better?
Are the patriots much worse than the ballistix? Ever done max vs max with the same cpu speed? I don't have the Ballistix, but from everthing I've read, I'd still have to say 3-3-3-8 1T 290-300HTT 1:1 beats 2.5-3-2-6 1T 265HTT 1:1 at the same CPU clock speed. I'd love to find out for sure but dropping 300 bones on the Crucial is too high a cover charge to see that show.

Bang for buck wise I think I would be looking to GSkill for the Infineons since Patriot prices are on the rise and these still look reasonable. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231032)

[biohead]

gundamit those are the 2-3-2-5 gskills right?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1096258#post1096258

[charlie]

The BEST 24-7 performance sticks I've ever tested... mmmmm.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39665

[Freez]

Very nice results.

[aznblueeboi]

3-4-3-8 should be UCCC

urs should be an un-announced awesome modules :D


3-4-3-8 should be CE-5 no? Personally, I've never had luck running lower than 3-4-4-8 on UCCC :p

[babyelf]

3-4-3-8 is UCCC..

mushkin special binned ;)

3-3-2-8 is the new one

[Wiker]

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=273
Are these memorymodules t he same as the one´s wich are tested in the thread?

[babyelf]

yes these are the new ones that charlie tested

redline 2GB

[charlie]

Good to see they're out finally!

I love these sticks, I'm sure LOTS of people will like them!!

C

[revenant]

wow... I might have to turn in my corsairs for a pair of these... I am having a heck of a time getting the coirsairs over 260 stable... I thought I had 260 stable also but had a reboot last night during Q4... foo!! still tweaking the bios settings on my new sli-d (the mems are in the orange slots and it's bios 623-3).. but these Mushkies look really nice... I was hoping to get 273 on the fsb stable with 1:1 memory timer.. I don't think I'll get that unless I grab a more capable set of mems...

So @ 277 what was your vdimm set to?

[nop]

babyelf, is this the one ?
http://www.nintek.com.au/x/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=3626

[Hound]

lol, i put that in my next build...i didnt even realize the overclockability of these were that good...

i was aiming for somewhere around the 260 mark, seems i can aim a lil higher now :cool:

but from what i can tell, yeah, they would be the sticks that charlie has

[charlie]

lol, i put that in my next build...i didnt even realize the overclockability of these were that good...

i was aiming for somewhere around the 260 mark, seems i can aim a lil higher now :cool:

but from what i can tell, yeah, they would be the sticks that charlie has

260 is a nice spot witht hese sticks, you may be able to run 2.5-3-2...

C

[Hound]

260 just...isnt as good as 280 :P:

btw i found out that the IC's are infineon CE-6 for anybody who hasnt already found out

[charlie]

260 just...isnt as good as 280 :P:

btw i found out that the IC's are infineon CE-6 for anybody who hasnt already found out

But 260 is 2.5-3-2... 280 is.... NOT.

C

[babyelf]

babyelf, is this the one ?
http://www.nintek.com.au/x/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=3626

sorry just saw this msg of urs..

yes that's the one.. redline 4000 2gb kit

[nop]

sorry just saw this msg of urs..

yes that's the one.. redline 4000 2gb kit

Thanks babyelf :)

[sin0822]

waity 4 days, or goto mushkin.com and buy it for 331

[nugzo]

i just ordered my 2gb kit overnight. will post results. i have ballistix runnin at 260 24-7 and have maxed 'em out at 290ish. Since i run my 3700 @ 260*11 24-7 i'm thinking the tighter mushkin timings will be nice.

[Bar81]

i just ordered my 2gb kit overnight.

Same here :) Too bad I won't be back in Cali until next week to enjoy the hotness but that's life :D

[Sume4]

Too bad we dont have Mushkin Redline 4000 2Gb sets at any retailer here in Europe. :(

[Xenom0rph]

Yeah man, there are many products that aren't sold here in Europe, or just the price is insane. And if we buy from out of Europe we expend a lot in shipping fees =/

[charlie]

UPDATE:

After tweaking timings I've discovered more mHz out of the MUSHKIN XP4000 2gb stuff... the timings take a bit of "getting used to" but they are really nice sticks.

C

[Duonger]

hey charlie

how much more did u get out of it. heck, i havent even gotten a set to play with.

Duonger

[Duonger]

Too bad we dont have Mushkin Redline 4000 2Gb sets at any retailer here in Europe. :(

that is what im working on right now to get more resellers in EU to stock these.

Duonger

[nugzo]

255 fsb 2.5-3-2-8 memtest 0 errors after 1 hour, prime95 stable for 2 hours.
just recieved these earlier today. So far i am extremely pleased. I dont feel bad for selling my ballistix now. I wanted memory where i could get some feedback from company reps. Great job Mushkin! Charlie can you post some A64 Tweaker shots? What bios are you using now? I held #1 spot on 2GB OC database for the longest time, lets see if we can get these RedLines to teh top!!

[JCGhz]

waity 4 days, or goto mushkin.com and buy it for 331


Wait 4 days for what? I want to know as im about to order:)

Oh and do these run cooler than ballistix?

[Blue078]

Wait 4 days for what? I want to know as im about to order:)

Oh and do these run cooler than ballistix?

I "think" I read in this thread that they'll be on sale at places like New Egg on the 18 of this month.

[JCGhz]

I just hope they run cooler.. hate using active cooling on my ballistix.. :banana::banana::banana::banana: gets hot!!!

[sin0822]

yeahthe 18th is the official retailer date, charlie im with you, ill try to take the intel top.

[JNav89GT]

I just hope they run cooler.. hate using active cooling on my ballistix.. :banana::banana::banana::banana: gets hot!!!
these do run cooler than Micron IC's. I can't tell you how much though as I have fans over my ram in all my machines. Maybe Charlie can chime in here.

[JNav89GT]

255 fsb 2.5-3-2-8 memtest 0 errors after 1 hour, prime95 stable for 2 hours.
just recieved these earlier today. So far i am extremely pleased. I dont feel bad for selling my ballistix now. I wanted memory where i could get some feedback from company reps. Great job Mushkin! Charlie can you post some A64 Tweaker shots? What bios are you using now? I held #1 spot on 2GB OC database for the longest time, lets see if we can get these RedLines to teh top!!
I'm not Charlie but here's a link to my thread on this mem, if you wanna see my shots ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77875

[btomasie]

UPDATE:

After tweaking timings I've discovered more mHz out of the MUSHKIN XP4000 2gb stuff... the timings take a bit of "getting used to" but they are really nice sticks.

C


Charlie, can you let us all know how much more you were able to squeeze out of these, and what BIOS you are using. A64 Tweaker screenshots would be awesome of you too! :D

Thanks,
Brian

[charlie]

Charlie, can you let us all know how much more you were able to squeeze out of these, and what BIOS you are using. A64 Tweaker screenshots would be awesome of you too! :D

Thanks,
Brian

No problem, I'll put some up tonight. My new Vapo/Opty/2gB XP4000 rig runs soooo nice, it's not even funny :D I play BF2 non-stop @ 3260mHz, DDR544... the sticks can run faster, but my CPU tops out there... instant loading BF2 maps :D
I'm usually the first player to appear on a map at the start of a game :D I beat some players by 5-10 seconds :D
I'll NEVER go back to gaming with 1gB... I still like to bench 3D with 1gB, but my REDLINE XP4000 2-2-2 sticks are dead... so I'm kinda' hamstrung for 3D competitive benching.

C

[JCGhz]

Well, I couldnt wait.. i just ordered them for overnight delivery. Im gonna get rid of my ballistix(run too hot) if they do for me what they did for charlie :) Will post tomorrow after some testing.

[ripken204]

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140762
this it? is so ill prolly be ordering them tonight

[racinjimy]

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140762
this it? is so ill prolly be ordering them tonight


NO they are not

[geto]

I have my set running at 260x10@1.4 voltages. Night and day compared to my other set.

[ExtraPickles]

New Mushkins are rockin for me at 280 1T 1:1 2.8v at 3-3-2-8. Seems to be some headroom left also, will test higher when prime is done.

-pickles

[JCGhz]

New Mushkins are rockin for me at 280 1T 1:1 2.8v at 3-3-2-8. Seems to be some headroom left also, will test higher when prime is done.

-pickles

Music to my ears :clap:

[sin0822]

1 day!!!! charlie i play like that too at 4.8ghz

[FlyBoyGeo]

Man these look great, I need to get rid of my g.skills.

Anyone post A64Tweaker pics?

[nugzo]

My Comfortable 24/7 settings are 255*11 for 2800mhz. That's same speed as fx 57. These redlines are beating my ballistix at those settings. Rember this is first run, i havent tried any higher. Take a look :)

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8604/redline14tm.jpg


http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1431/redline26gg.jpg

[bigjohns97]

Thanks for the link guys, i just sold me ocz 3200 el plat 2x1gb sticks to try out these new 3.3.2.7 sticks but OCZ was all out. Good thing mushkin is making some and they have them in stock. Should be here sometime next week and i will let you guys know how they fare on my new opty 170 0536.

[JCGhz]

nice tweaking nugz... thats what im aiming for:)

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Are these for sale anywhere yet?

[Vapor]

www.mushkin.com

[Bar81]

Can't wait. My sticks came in yesterday but I don't get back to Cali until Monday. Will be interesting to see what these bad boys can do at 2.7v (max of my ASRock)

[Duonger]

International guys are getting shipments Monday. we juust shipped 200kits to UK, Belgium, Canada, Australia.

Duonger

[racinjimy]

International guys are getting shipments Monday. we juust shipped 200kits to UK, Belgium, Canada, Australia.

Duonger


how about retail..........................

[JCGhz]

Just got mine.. bout to throw them in my box. Im hoping nugz will be a nice guy and help me out with bios settings:)

[JCGhz]

I can only get it up to 2.5-3-2-7 @240fsb in the yellow slots... cant get them to fit in orange slots till my new HSF gets here. But @260fsb which is my 24/7 target it does 3-3-2-7 2.7v memtest and prime stable. I have alot to learn about tweaking cause i was benching a lil better with my ballistix at same fsb. My main reason for purchasing the ram was to get away from the heat of my ballistix.. mushkin's run cool enough to get rid of the fan i had on my ballistix.

I wonder if the orange slots really do make a difference. Nugzo what bios you using?

[charlie]

I can only get it up to 2.5-3-2-7 @240fsb in the yellow slots... cant get them to fit in orange slots till my new HSF gets here. But @260fsb which is my 24/7 target it does 3-3-2-7 2.7v memtest and prime stable. I have alot to learn about tweaking cause i was benching a lil better with my ballistix at same fsb. My main reason for purchasing the ram was to get away from the heat of my ballistix.. mushkin's run cool enough to get rid of the fan i had on my ballistix.

I wonder if the orange slots really do make a difference. Nugzo what bios you using?

Show an A64 Tweaker shot, your timings might be holding you back a bit!

C

[nugzo]

Just got mine.. bout to throw them in my box. Im hoping nugz will be a nice guy and help me out with bios settings:)

Sure i will help.. using 623-3 i think.

Charlie what bios do you suggest? and what versions.. the -1, -2, -3?

[nugzo]

I cant update my results for a few days to a week as i fried my 3700 sandy at work today. i took it out of my rig to test a suspected DOA 3800 x2, when i put my 3700 back in i got the 3 beeps like the cold boot or memory issue beeps. tried 2 other cpu's in on my board and they worked fine. put my 3700 on known good boards and wouldnt post. DAMN luck of mine. I think imma get an opteron 170 to replace it. I also orderd the DFI Expert board today. I hope It'll pair up nice with the Mushkin Redline 2GB Kit. Charlie do you have the DFI Expert board yet? If so can you post some A64 Tweaker shots please?

[ripken204]

where can i buy these sticks besides from the mushkin site?

[Duonger]

Here are the new sku's at Newegg,
991492: 20-146-023
991493: 20-146-034

They should be up sometime this week.

Duonger

[charlie]

yup 623-3... working best for me :D

C

[ripken204]

Duonger-do u have a date that you could guess? b/c im ordering parts for my comp tonight so that ill have the stuff to play with throughout the holiday, otherwise i wont have any time. btw, do you know if ups/fedex will ship on the holidays?

[Duonger]

i dont know how soon newegg will set it up. we have sent them modules for them to take pics and get it up on their site already. you can always get it at our website. fedex and ups are not working on thanksgiving day but they are working the day after.

Duonger

[ripken204]

k, thx. i emailed newegg on thursday about it and have had no response yet...
but im definetly looking forward to getting them

[nugzo]

Mushkin site has excellent shipping and packaging. Why wait for newegg?

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=273

[ripken204]

to save some money, plus i have a preferred account at newegg so i have free shipping and no payments for 6 months

[ElDuderino]

I just got my xp4000 2x512 back from RMA and Mushkin sent me the wrong RAM...it should show up as being pc4000 correct? I am gonna see if they won't let me pay the difference and get this new stuff. This will be the third time having to send back this RAM.

[Duonger]

what parts did we ship you? can u tell me the part number on the modules?

Duonger

[ElDuderino]

I was supposed to receive 2x512mb xp4000 I got the pc3200 version.

Not without popping the RAM out...but according to CPU-Z it is 991439. here is a screen shot showing the pc3200 and the part number.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8716/mushkin2ml.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mushkin2ml.jpg)

my RMA # was 71840.

Thanks Duonger

[Vapor]

That is the XP4000....SPD is at PC3200 though, that's all (mine is too).

Your part number matches that of the XP4000.

[Duonger]

991439 512MB XP4000 2-2-2@3.3-3.4v Redline

it is xp4000. it will prob show up as ddr400 in ur machine. play with the timings and see how it performs. u can call our tech guys for assistance also.

Duonger

[ElDuderino]

Damn, my memory(not the Mushkin product) must be failing me. I coulda swore the XP4000 was pc4000. Also I coulda swore that CPU-Z listed my first set of Redline at 2-2-2-6? CPU-Z shows this RAM as 2-3-2-6 under it's SPD timings table.

But hey, I could be wrong and prolly am.

EDIT: So far the highest 8hour memtest stable I could get with no divider was 263htt. I am gonna keep tweaking this sli-dr. Anyone know of a good thread where this mobo and ram are tweaked?

[Vapor]

Duonger will have more specifics than I will, but you're memory probably isn't failing ;)

They have low-balled the SPD since so that it would first-time boot at nominal voltages easier, IIRC.

Good results so far--but remember that the end goal is Windows stability, you might want to try some Windows memtest and OCing through windows.

[ElDuderino]

I got some great scores on 3Dmark05 and PCmark05 with this RAM. That was at htt 255 so i should be able to beat them now.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7595/74652970mhz1dy.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=74652970mhz1dy.jpg)
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5299/149123047mhz9aq.th.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=149123047mhz9aq.jpg)

It can do 32m superpi, occt, but I am having a tough time getting Prime stable. Time for more tweaking I suppose.

Back on the topic at hand :fact: this 2gb kit of Redline is mighty impressive.

Sorry for the thread hijack. :slapass:

[charlie]

I'm running this kit in my D2OL bomber @ 270, 1:1... 3-3-2-8

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40186

Mushkin REDLINE XP4000 = pure ownage

C

[JNav89GT]

Damn, my memory(not the Mushkin product) must be failing me. I coulda swore the XP4000 was pc4000. Also I coulda swore that CPU-Z listed my first set of Redline at 2-2-2-6? CPU-Z shows this RAM as 2-3-2-6 under it's SPD timings table.

But hey, I could be wrong and prolly am.

EDIT: So far the highest 8hour memtest stable I could get with no divider was 263htt. I am gonna keep tweaking this sli-dr. Anyone know of a good thread where this mobo and ram are tweaked?
it is PC4000, it's just spd is prgrammed at 3200
Also after first batches had cold boot issues, spd was programeed at 2-3-2-6 to help with the dfi cold boot problem. After you setup your voltages etc.... then you may over-ride it in bios to 2 for trcd.

[Duonger]

Thanks J.

Duonger

[ElDuderino]

Thanks for clarifying all that. I knew this stuff looked different in CPU-Z...but actually it might be a better performer than my first set.

[bigjohns97]

Mushkin site has excellent shipping and packaging. Why wait for newegg?

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=273


I 'm not sure if i can agree, i ordered very early friday morning and my stuff still hasn't shipped.

[charlie]

I 'm not sure if i can agree, i ordered very early friday morning and my stuff still hasn't shipped.

Yeah, that's like ONE working day since you ordered it :shrug: I'm sure it'll ship soon!!

C

[bigjohns97]

Yeah, that's like ONE working day since you ordered it :shrug: I'm sure it'll ship soon!!

C

Didn't take them that long to charge my card

[Duonger]

bigjohn- they software we use charges it at the moment you check out. if you email me i will find out about ur order...

tom@mushkin.com

Duonger

[Sume4]

Duonger:

Any new news about these babies coming to retailers in europe? Me wantsii these on this week :(

[xgman]

Got a set from shipping to me today for wed deliver. Fingers crossed for a good o/c.

[Blue078]

Got a set from shipping to me today for wed deliver. Fingers crossed for a good o/c.

Good Luck and keep us posted on how they do. We need more reports from retail purchase.

[ExtraPickles]

I 'm not sure if i can agree, i ordered very early friday morning and my stuff still hasn't shipped.I ordered on a Thursday night and when nothing was updated on my order by Monday morning I called them. Evidently there was some kind of prob and my order fell through the cracks but they more than made it up to me and even called me back at the exact time they said they would. I was very impressed with Mushkin customer service.

-pickles

[geto]

I ordered my ram shortly after Pickles did, got it that next Tuesday. Not bad at all. Fortunately there was no problems with Fedex.

Extremely happy with Mushkin. Glad I didn't wait for the OCZ EB ram.

[bigjohns97]

I ordered on a Thursday night and when nothing was updated on my order by Monday morning I called them. Evidently there was some kind of prob and my order fell through the cracks but they more than made it up to me and even called me back at the exact time they said they would. I was very impressed with Mushkin customer service.

-pickles

Hopefully this isn't what happened to me, but i did the same thing.

What time did you order thursday night?

[geto]

Mine was late in the day. Probably around 8pm. I bet you'll get it today or tomorrow.

Mine sat at Fedex for about a day before they shipped it.

Patience my son, patience.

[bigjohns97]

Well it's the end of monday and it still hasn't shipped. Card was charged on friday @ 7:30 am and they haven't even shipped it yet.

[sin0822]

tom, this is steve from techpowerup, you see the review?

[nugzo]

I 'm not sure if i can agree, i ordered very early friday morning and my stuff still hasn't shipped.


Sorry Yours hasnt shipped. I thought the same thing also as mushkin site was saying not shipped. I called and the lovely young lady i talked to to check status was awesome. She called me back in under 5 minutes to say item was shipped and was sorry the site wasnt updated with my shipping info. I confirmed with the tracking number.
Charlie or Tom, i don't know her name but she's @ ext 302. tell her thanks for me :toast:

[MayhemNJ]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone tried to see how fast these sticks run at 200mhz?

[Duonger]

tom, this is steve from techpowerup, you see the review?


hey steve no i havent... been traveling like crazy and doing other stuff. we are working on BUNCH of stuff. you will be the 1st to hear

Duonger

[Duonger]

Well it's the end of monday and it still hasn't shipped. Card was charged on friday @ 7:30 am and they haven't even shipped it yet.


john, please check ur email. i replied with the tracking number. order has shipped.

Duonger

[sin0822]

hey steve no i havent... been traveling like crazy and doing other stuff. we are working on BUNCH of stuff. you will be the 1st to hear

Duonger
Sounds cool, i posted the review: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Mushkin/XP4000-2GB

hope it helps yall out

[sin0822]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone tried to see how fast these sticks run at 200mhz?
2,3,2,5 at 2.8v probably less works too.

BTW Tom, why don't you guys add the 2,3,2,5 on the package?

[nugzo]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone tried to see how fast these sticks run at 200mhz?

2 3 2 6 For me with single gig stick. This may not be as fast as it can get b/c of bad mem controller.. With this 4200+ DC my rig will not boot with more than 1 dimm. I gouged chip removing IHS, worked fine b4 that.

[bigjohns97]

john, please check ur email. i replied with the tracking number. order has shipped.

Duonger

OMG thanks so much !!! you are right the order on the site just never updated to shipped. I am soo glad i will have this over the holdays, i am having withdraws from bf2 :p:

Thanks again Duonger !!

[rcillig]

I will be gettin these as soon as newegg has them in stock !

[FlyBoyGeo]

Man these sticks are looking great! I may have to splurge myself :D

[xgman]

I asked for 2 day delivery when I ordered Monday, and they actually came from Colorado to Maryland overnight today. Pretty good service. :)

[Duonger]

2,3,2,5 at 2.8v probably less works too.

BTW Tom, why don't you guys add the 2,3,2,5 on the package?


we are just cautious cuz not all can do it.. remember oc is an art and a lot of LUCK! it is mobo, cpu, cooling methods, yada yada yada. we hand test each and every module on the systems and our bench before it is shipped to insure compatibility and performance. from most results 3-3-2 was best avg solution thus we reccommended that... we still have some other stuff we are doing up our sleeve. you will be surprise.



Duonger

[ben805]

My 2nd pair of Ballistix is dying so here I am in search for 2GB replacement Again! this is the 3rd time within 2 months that I have to shop for new ram :lol: Well, was interested in the OCZ EB but they are sold out everywhere and won't be able to get them till next month, but someone told me these new XP4000 Redline have the same IC so here I am....went from Redline (1GB kit) to 2 Ballistix 2GB kits and now back to Redline again :D :D I just placed my order directly from Mushkin website to have the dual pack overnight to me, the lady who answer the phone told me they have plenty in stock so hopefully they'll ship mine out today otherwise my computer will be down till Friday :stick: I hope these new Redline is reliable and would last longer than those dang Ballistix :D :D

[Duonger]

we have plenty. it is a matter of testing and making sure you get the best parts. we got 45k chips in this week so there will be plenty of parts.

Duonger

[charlie]

OMG thanks so much !!! you are right the order on the site just never updated to shipped. I am soo glad i will have this over the holdays, i am having withdraws from bf2 :p:

Thanks again Duonger !!

You'll be amazed how FAST your map loads... most of the time I'm the FIRST player on a new map...

C

[bigjohns97]

You'll be amazed how FAST your map loads... most of the time I'm the FIRST player on a new map...

C

Yeah i am always first on map, but i did have ocz 3200 plat before hand.

So i do know what 2gigs feels like, but i bet this will feel better than 2-3-2-5 @ 200mhz.

[charlie]

Yeah i am always first on map, but i did have ocz 3200 plat before hand.

So i do know what 2gigs feels like, but i bet this will feel better than 2-3-2-5 @ 200mhz.

I'll meet ya on the battlefield, soldier....

C

[ben805]

I hope that's 64 players map that you're refering to :D :D

[bigjohns97]

I might have got some bad sticks ....

I have big time studdering when trying to load bf2 and when i get in i get all kinds of graphics glitches and errors.

I am not really overclocking that much 260 with all settings on auto.

http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newram8iy.jpg

[sin0822]

what voltage?

[Duonger]

call in to our tech guys.. they are still there and can help you with your set up.

800-569-1868

Duonger

[bigjohns97]

what voltage?

I have tried anything between 2.6-2.8. My board overvolts by .05.

[bigjohns97]

call in to our tech guys.. they are still there and can help you with your set up.

800-569-1868

Duonger

Will you be open tomorrow? I will call tomorrow and see what's going on.

[bigjohns97]

I´ve heard of that with other memory of a related kind. Use a lower frequency. Could it be related to the memory controller and high perf. 1GB modules? Change the drive strengths as a cure?

On another note for Europeans. www.shop4memory.com and www.pc-memory-upgrade.co.uk has the stuff listed as of today. I haven´t searched other retailers yet.


I don't think it's my memory controller since i just go a new opteron 170 and everyone seems to believe they have better memory controllers.

250mhz runs fine at default timings. Guess that means I am screwed.

[xgman]

I really wanted to like these sticks, but I just don't. At least the pair I got. Very unstable at many settings. I'll hang on to my balistix set and these are going back. I don't have the time or patience to try for seconds these days.

[charlie]

I really wanted to like these sticks, but I just don't. At least the pair I got. Very unstable at many settings. I'll hang on to my balistix set and these are going back. I don't have the time or patience to try for seconds these days.

guys try THESE settings... 110% superstable.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40282

[Blue078]

I might have got some bad sticks ....

I have big time studdering when trying to load bf2 and when i get in i get all kinds of graphics glitches and errors.

I am not really overclocking that much 260 with all settings on auto.

http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newram8iy.jpg

Is every thing else doing OK ?

When I first Installed my _ _ _ _ 2x1gig sticks BF2 was borked, I ended up reinstalling BF2 with the 2gigs inplace, and it's been smooth gameing every since.

[JNav89GT]

I might have got some bad sticks ....

I have big time studdering when trying to load bf2 and when i get in i get all kinds of graphics glitches and errors.

I am not really overclocking that much 260 with all settings on auto.

http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newram8iy.jpg

first off
I dont' think stix are bad

let's simplfy things a bit
back off to 250
set your trc and trfc to 7 and 15 respectively
idle cycle limit to 16
trtw to 3
drive strength to 8 and data drive strength to 3

see if they run fine there!

Make sure you HT multiplier is at 4x

[bigjohns97]

NVM spoke too soon, same thing happens in bf2.

I don't even have to go into the game it will freeze during the intro video and the server list screen. Then eventually crash.

I guess i am just going to be stuck here @ 2.5ghz.

This is the first time i have ever sold equipment because it didn't overclock.

x2 4400 -> opty170
ocz plat 3200 2gig - mushkin xp4000 2gig

I will probably never do it again.

[sin0822]

NVM spoke too soon, same thing happens in bf2.

I don't even have to go into the game it will freeze during the intro video and the server list screen. Then eventually crash.

I guess i am just going to be stuck here @ 2.5ghz.

This is the first time i have ever sold equipment because it didn't overclock.

x2 4400 -> opty170
ocz plat 3200 2gig - mushkin xp4000 2gig

I will probably never do it again.
so wait what did you do?

[bigjohns97]

I set the exact same settings as posted a couple above. tried 4xhtt and 3x.

250 at those settings run fine, I just know my chip can do 2.6 and i bought this memory thinking it was almost 99% sure i could hit 260.

I was even contemplating removing my IHS on my new opty if this sticks clocked really well, but i don't like mem multi's, and 250 is as high as they will go.

EDIT : i haven't tried 3-3-3-8 maybe i will try some other time when i am not so frustrated.

[JNav89GT]

I've been told these bin out at 260+ so I would really think there is another issue with your setup!

[ExtraPickles]

Price on these dropped on Mushkin's website sometime since last week. First set worked so well I ordered another set this morning. Hopefully these will also do 2.5-3-2-6 at 260 and SPD at 280 like the first set.

-pickles

[JNav89GT]

I set the exact same settings as posted a couple above. tried 4xhtt and 3x.

250 at those settings run fine, I just know my chip can do 2.6 and i bought this memory thinking it was almost 99% sure i could hit 260.

I was even contemplating removing my IHS on my new opty if this sticks clocked really well, but i don't like mem multi's, and 250 is as high as they will go.

EDIT : i haven't tried 3-3-3-8 maybe i will try some other time when i am not so frustrated.
i'd try bumping the cpu multiplier to 10x just to confirm ram is holding you back

I really think the secret is in your bios somehow though!

[JAM_N1]

I just recieved some Mushkin 2GB XP 4000 Redline (2x1GB), I can run both sticks through Memtest stable in single channel, 1 or 2, but when I try to install second stick in second channel, 3 or 4, the board freezes on bootup with 3 lights. I have tried both the yellow and orange slots with the same result. I can put my G.Skills back in using both channels, orange, and the board fires up. Anybody know why the XP 4000 won't boot up when running both channels? I have dropped the clock in my sig to 250x12. Any help would be greatly appreciated for I am stumped. :confused:

[JNav89GT]

probably a bios setting
I'd load optimized defaults and try again

very sesitive to some of the extra settings dfi gives us

[ExtraPickles]

I've tried 623-2BTA, 623-3, 704-2BTA, and whatever the new beta bios on DFI's site is and while all work well the 623-3 still gives me best results by a small margin. RAM in orange slots...from optimized defaults... enabling CPC, changing the 4 main timings, setting TREF to Auto, and setting RAM voltage to 2.8v give me the best Everest scores... not that Everest scores mean much.

-pickles

[JNav89GT]

my X2 works well with a trp of 2
I really gain nothing from going to 3 on my 4400+ or 4600+
I haven't tried dual core opty yet!

[bigjohns97]

i'd try bumping the cpu multiplier to 10x just to confirm ram is holding you back

I really think the secret is in your bios somehow though!

My multi is 10x, I have a opty 170 default clocks 200x10. it was running just fine with my old memory @ 1:2 divider.

Plus i can run dual prime small fft all day @ 260 without a hitch.

[JAM_N1]

probably a bios setting
I'd load optimized defaults and try again

very sesitive to some of the extra settings dfi gives us

Thanks, but it looks like I won't find out why it never booted up because it seems in moving the XP 4000 memory between the different slots, three of the contacts at the end on one side of one of the sticks have come off and now I cannot even run my G.Skill in duel channel (orange or yellow). I have another board, so I will try that and give Mushkin a call. :(

[JNav89GT]

how in the hell did you rip three contacts off :O
dang man, take it easy on the poor ram.

[xgman]

[QUOTE=charlie]guys try THESE settings... 110% superstable.
/QUOTE]

no go. I just got a bad set. Oh well, S happens.

[JNav89GT]

[QUOTE=charlie]guys try THESE settings... 110% superstable.
/QUOTE]

no go. I just got a bad set. Oh well, S happens.
that's odd
I was told these bin out quite high prior to shipping to ensure some headroom

[JAM_N1]

how in the hell did you rip three contacts off :O
dang man, take it easy on the poor ram.

I took a pair of pliers and pulled... give me a break. :rolleyes:
Seriously, I was moving them around between the different slots trying to get the second bank to operate, and at one point noticed this...
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/585/redlinexp40000016ct.th.jpg (http://img275.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redlinexp40000016ct.jpg)

[Budwise]

well, ive been keeping track of this thread since these are the exact same sticks as us OCZ Platinum EB guys. I kinda figured yall would get the same issues too. These sticks are very picky to get 3D stable. My first kit from OCZ was SuperPi32M, Prime95 stable, but when i opened up FEAR or BF2 it would start getting choppy as soon as the video came on and they eventually would freeze if i didnt quit out of it. My first kit was only stable at exactly stock settings. 252 was a no go for 3D :( I contacted OCZ and got an RMA thankfully before they ran out of sticks. My second kit does 260 fine, and ive even tested it further finding them to start loosing it 3D stable at around 268ish. BUT, there are others in the thread here on Xtreme that still have the same issues at lower speeds. In my opinion, these Infineons are very hit or miss as far as how OCable they are. I know i dont own these Mushkins, but they are practically the same, so we might as well help each other. But for now im clutching onto my 2nd kit running 265 3-3-2-7 1T.

[JNav89GT]

I took a pair of pliers and pulled... give me a break. :rolleyes:
Seriously, I was moving them around between the different slots trying to get the second bank to operate, and at one point noticed this...
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/585/redlinexp40000016ct.th.jpg (http://img275.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redlinexp40000016ct.jpg)
lol
I didn't think you would purposely do it!

However i've never seen this happen before! I'd be a bit learly something was amiss in mobo but who knows. maybe defect in PCB :(

[ben805]

well, ive been keeping track of this thread since these are the exact same sticks as us OCZ Platinum EB guys. I kinda figured yall would get the same issues too. These sticks are very picky to get 3D stable. My first kit from OCZ was SuperPi32M, Prime95 stable, but when i opened up FEAR or BF2 it would start getting choppy as soon as the video came on and they eventually would freeze if i didnt quit out of it. My first kit was only stable at exactly stock settings. 252 was a no go for 3D :( I contacted OCZ and got an RMA thankfully before they ran out of sticks. My second kit does 260 fine, and ive even tested it further finding them to start loosing it 3D stable at around 268ish. BUT, there are others in the thread here on Xtreme that still have the same issues at lower speeds. In my opinion, these Infineons are very hit or miss as far as how OCable they are. I know i dont own these Mushkins, but they are practically the same, so we might as well help each other. But for now im clutching onto my 2nd kit running 265 3-3-2-7 1T.

I don't get it.....in the past we were trying to get our overclock to be prime stable and 3d stable didn't really cut it, but now it's the other way around with these Infineon ICs. :confused:

[JAM_N1]

lol
I didn't think you would purposely do it!

However i've never seen this happen before! I'd be a bit learly something was amiss in mobo but who knows. maybe defect in PCB :(

Well the motherboard is dead too, so we will never know... :bsod:

[Budwise]

I don't get it.....in the past we were trying to get our overclock to be prime stable and 3d stable didn't really cut it, but now it's the other way around with these Infineon ICs. :confused:


pretty much...

[ben805]

Is every thing else doing OK ?

When I first Installed my _ _ _ _ 2x1gig sticks BF2 was borked, I ended up reinstalling BF2 with the 2gigs inplace, and it's been smooth gameing every since.


there's a 1.12 patch just came out for BF2, you'll need to download and install it otherwise certain server and map do not work properly!! I too experience the choppy gameplay last night till I installed the patch.

[Bar81]

Just wanted to say how much I like my sticks. Better than ratings and beautiful PCB/heatspreader design/color as well as nice venting design which works extremely well in my low airflow case. Glad the OCZ was OOS at the time or I wouldn't have had the pleasure.

[nop]

Bar81, could you please tell me at what htt, volt and timing you're running now ? I'm expected to get it soon. Thanks.

[ben805]

ok I just came home from work and opened my muskin, nice packaging!! well...I'm running them at 260 @3-3-2-8 with 2.6v at the moment, with Charlie's timing and testing with OCCT now....it just passed :D :D :D

question, can these sticks clock slightly higher like 270~275 @3-3-3-8 for 24/7 use?

[charlie]

ok I just came home from work and opened my muskin, nice packaging!! well...I'm running them at 260 @3-3-2-8 with 2.6v at the moment, with Charlie's timing and testing with OCCT now....it just passed :D :D :D

question, can these sticks clock slightly higher like 270~275 @3-3-3-8 for 24/7 use?

yeah, 270 no problem! I can game at 272, 3-3-2-8... and bench north of 275... by going to 3-3-3 I gain only a few mHz!

C

[nop]

charlie, what would be better, 261@2.5-3-2 and 270@ 3-3-2

Heard that on the A64 world, Mhz is the king not the mem timing ?

[charlie]

charlie, what would be better, 261@2.5-3-2 and 270@ 3-3-2

Heard that on the A64 world, Mhz is the king not the mem timing ?

Depends on the CPU... on the total mHz. I kinda like 2.5-3-2, but need at least 270-273mHz to hit my "sweet spot"

C

[nop]

Depends on the CPU... on the total mHz. I kinda like 2.5-3-2, but need at least 270-273mHz to hit my "sweet spot"

C

Thanks Chalie. :toast:
so it's perfect since i'll run my opty165@2880 (320x9) with 166 divider = 161 -> 161@2.5-3-3 :D

Hope to get this kit in a few weeks and "finger-cross" it would do 261@2.5-3-3 :stick:

[ExtraPickles]

Made it to Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146034

-pickles

[ben805]

man these Redline kick some serious butt and I'm going to order me another pair!! I'm loving them so far....no problem running them at 11 x 260 @3-3-2-8 with only 2.6v!! with my opty 10.5 x315 on 166 divider they're at 254 @3-3-2-8....winrar is 25MB/s higher than when I had the Ballistix on 183 divider at 275 @3-3-8 2.8v. I haven't push them yet and I do not intend to put more than 2.8v through them either, hopefully they won't have premature death or degrading problem like those micron chips.

[nop]

man these Redline kick some serious butt and I'm going to order me another pair!! I'm loving them so far....no problem running them at 11 x 260 @3-3-2-8 with only 2.6v!! with my opty 10.5 x315 on 166 divider they're at 254 @3-3-2-8....winrar is 25MB/s higher than when I had the Ballistix on 183 divider at 275 @3-3-8 2.8v. I haven't push them yet and I do not intend to put more than 2.8v through them either, hopefully they won't have premature death or degrading problem like those micron chips.

look like i should order "two" pairs of this instead of one :D

[graham_h]

ben805. do you have any pics ?
Mine arrive next week :D

[ben805]

Jesus....these Redline outdo the Ballistix with lower vdimm, lower memclock, but tighter timing.....this is some serious raw powa!!! :slobber:

3.40Ghz, 183 divider, Ballistix: 283 @3-3-3-8; 2.8V: SPI 32M - 22.28
3.40Ghz, 166 divider, Redline: 261 @3-3-2-8; 2.7v: SPI 32M - 22.26
(note: The Redline can do SPI 32M with only 2.6v but it wasn't BF2 stable :D)

Ballistix: I made this run not long ago
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39500

Redline:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40325




Redline: can pull a 22m in SPI 32M even at 3.30Ghz with memclock only 254 @3-3-2-8 :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40326&stc=1



This is with absolutely NO effort whatsoever, I was simply using Charlie's recommended timing with Drive and Data strength 8/3....holy smoke!! :eek: :eek:

[nop]

Nice result ben805 :clap:

Could you please tell me what's the max memclock your pair could do in 3D ? Thanks

[ben805]

I don't know how reliable these Infineon is....after two pairs of Ballistix died on me in less than two months(that's US$600 worth of ram) I'm going to take it easy this time and don't want to find the 'max' right now, this is my 24/7 machine so I'll have to see how long they last first, if they don't died in 2 months then I'll lay the hammer down and push them :D :D for now I'll let other brave soul push theirs to the max because I'm very happy with the way mine is :lol:

[nop]

I don't know how reliable these Infineon is....after two pairs of Ballistix died on me in less than two months(that's US$600 worth of ram) I'm going to take it easy this time and don't want to find the 'max' right now, this is my 24/7 machine so I'll have to see how long they last first, if they don't died in 2 months then I'll lay the hammer down and push them :D :D for now I'll let other brave soul push theirs to the max because I'm very happy with the way mine is :lol:

I'll wait for two months then :D :D :D

[ben805]

how much vdimm do you guys use for close to stock speed? I would love to use the lowest possible vdimm even if the bandwidth take a slightly hit with relax timing, guess I'll have some fine tuning to do...hehe.

Alright, I'd fired up Quake 4 and after a minute or two it lockup, then work again and another minute later it happened again, so now I know what this choppy 3D is all about, I quit Quake 4 and went straight to 3Dmark01se, same deal. After trying a few thing in the bios I found three values have the most impact on this choppy 3D deal, they're Tref, Drive and Data Strength, so far I found at 2.7v the Drive and Data Strength of 8/1 to be more stable than any other combinations (ie: 8/2,3; 6/1,2,3; 4/1,2,3, etc.) Weak drive strength gave me instant 3D lockup, so for now I'm sticking with 8/1 and going to hunt down the Tref one by one....this is some tricky stuff!!

If you guys just got your new sticks, DON'T even bother and waste your time on none of those Prime, OCCT, and SPI 32M.....if your sticks are not 3D stable then they're pretty much useless unless all you need your pc to do is crunching numbers. I suggest the first thing you do is fire up your good ol' 3dMark01se and see how it react, if it's clear then go from there, otherwise you'll get caught with your pants down later on...

[Bar81]

Bar81, could you please tell me at what htt, volt and timing you're running now ? I'm expected to get it soon. Thanks.

Right now don't really have time to play with them (just popped them in this morning and set them to what I wanted) but running at 10x250HTT at 2.7v (the high setting on my mobo) and at 2.5-3-3-8 Will push them more later but since I'm moving overseas tomorrow it won't be for another couple of weeks probably. Still, even if they never did another mhz I'm extremely happy. All I really wanted was 2GB of DDR at 250mhz at CAS2.5. I was gonna hop on the old Mushkin Blueline until they changed the specs on that and then was going OCZ until that was sold out and finally ended up with the Mushkin and am very pleased that everything played out this way. I love the venting design and the color scheme is just beautiful (Even though I don't have a window or anything, it's always nice when you fork out $350+ for something and it at least looks gorgeous - a front that I really think OCZ has a lot of catching up to do in relation to Mushkin although to be fair Mushkin has catching up to do in relation to OCZ in terms of innovation as Mushkin essentially just thieved the chips/performance from OCZ)

[JNav89GT]

Right now don't really have time to play with them (just popped them in this morning and set them to what I wanted) but running at 10x250HTT at 2.7v (the high setting on my mobo) and at 2.5-3-3-8 Will push them more later but since I'm moving overseas tomorrow it won't be for another couple of weeks probably. Still, even if they never did another mhz I'm extremely happy. All I really wanted was 2GB of DDR at 250mhz at CAS2.5. I was gonna hop on the old Mushkin Blueline until they changed the specs on that and then was going OCZ until that was sold out and finally ended up with the Mushkin and am very pleased that everything played out this way. I love the venting design and the color scheme is just beautiful (Even though I don't have a window or anything, it's always nice when you fork out $350+ for something and it at least looks gorgeous - a front that I really think OCZ has a lot of catching up to do in relation to Mushkin although to be fair Mushkin has catching up to do in relation to OCZ in terms of innovation as Mushkin essentially just thieved the chips/performance from OCZ)
lol I don't think OCZ invented CE-6 parts. Searching threads you'll see some PDP that had CE-6, so if anything OCZ and Mushkin took their cue from that older PDP part ;p

[JNav89GT]

man these Redline kick some serious butt and I'm going to order me another pair!! I'm loving them so far....no problem running them at 11 x 260 @3-3-2-8 with only 2.6v!! with my opty 10.5 x315 on 166 divider they're at 254 @3-3-2-8....winrar is 25MB/s higher than when I had the Ballistix on 183 divider at 275 @3-3-8 2.8v. I haven't push them yet and I do not intend to put more than 2.8v through them either, hopefully they won't have premature death or degrading problem like those micron chips.
Ben
try tref 4708-works best for me :toast:
I'm 3d stable at 270 or so. Max super pi/occt/2d stable is 275

[ben805]

I really don't understand this....it run like banshee on everything except 3D stuff, this really puzzled me!! been trying different TREF but still no go....bite the bullet and cranked up the vdimm to 2.8v @254 3-3-2-8, still getting two pauses at the lobby test!!! I'm going to try these sticks on the Asus A8N32-SLI mobo and see what the deal is....

[ben805]

Ben
try tref 4708-works best for me :toast:
I'm 3d stable at 270 or so. Max super pi/occt/2d stable is 275


edit: 4708 is a no go either, instant lockup at Dragon test, I'm using 623-3 bios.....2.8v!!!

heh....I'm going to test them on the Asus and see whatsup!

[racinjimy]

Made it to Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146034

-pickles


so the single sticks are available but the sets are still on auto-notify...............

[MayhemNJ]

Wow they just made it on there last night too. Just get from Mushkin directly. They went down to 317 the other day.

[ExtraPickles]

Wish I would have ordered 2 sets at the same time now. The second set I received yesterday is nowhere even close to as good as the first set from a week ago. CAS 2.5 is unobtainable at any frequency and 280 is unobtainable at any settings. Luck of the draw I suppose but the second set isn't looking hot at all.

-pickles

[Bar81]

lol I don't think OCZ invented CE-6 parts. Searching threads you'll see some PDP that had CE-6, so if anything OCZ and Mushkin took their cue from that older PDP part ;p

nobody said they invented anything. If you're gonna comment on my post, at least learn to read it properly :slapass:

[ben805]

The Asus is up and running.....starting from scratch so phase change is off, only running on air now....11x 250 1:1 @3-3-2-8 2.7v is a go so far, passed 3Dmark01se without a single hiccup, let's see what's up with 255 next.


update1: 255 @2.7v is a no go, car chase lockup once, dragon very unstable with shaky graphic, lobby lockup instantly!

update2: 255 @2.7v second try, only have 3 TREF options so I'd changed 3.9 to 15.6, car chase passed, dragon graphic is slightly shaky for couple frames but not too big of a deal as I can tweak that out later, lobby is smooth, nature completed no problem. test: PASSED!! ok....260 is next.

update3: 260 @2.7 benchmark failed to load, restarted it and car chase instant lockup on first frame. heh...I don't think I can get away with not touching any other values :p:

update4: 260 @2.7v changed TRC to 8, TRFC to 18, RW bypass to 8, bypass max to 7, idle cycle limit to 256. Read preamble to 6, async latency to 9. benchmark loaded...but car chase is borking pretty bad, I think the ram need more juice.....bump it up to 2.8v that is.

update5: 260 @2.8V, neither lose nor tight timing work, all 3 TREF attempts failure. Since this ram is officially rated by Mushkin up to 2.9v, I'll give it one last try.

final update: 260 = FAILED!

[bigjohns97]

Glad you posted ben i was thinking maybe the new asus would get me where i need to be.

[Blue078]

Sounds like this CE-6 is very hit or miss:( Kinda odd how PI and such are fine, and 3D is borked

[ben805]

Even if they can run CAS 2.5 at 265 like my Patriots, that still not enough to unseat the Crucials as the default 2x1gig set for OCers. Would love to see Infineon vs. Crucial at same CPU clock and tweaked to their speed/timing sweet spots. I'm guessing speed still trumps tighter timings.

Here's Corsair's take on the same IC. (http://hi-techreviews.com/reviews/3500LL%20Pro/P3.htm)

you'd guess wrong....look at my 3.40Ghz runs, at 254 @3-3-2-8 these Redline raped the Ballistix 283 @3-3-3-8! Not only in crunching number(compression, spi, etc) but I'd also gained about 3000 points in Aquamark (98,xxx vs. 95,xxx). :D

[ben805]

Well...these 2GB Redline are kinda tricky to tweak, for those who couldn't get these sticks to overclock >250 you really need to look at the big 3....Tref, Drive and Data strength, the ultra-D gave me more option in Tref to play with but the Asus simplified it to only 3.9, 7.8, and 15.6, whichever I chose the bios will automatically pick the proper value to use. Same as the Drive strength on Asus, only two options...either Normal or Weak. I could get slightly more out of these Redline with the Asus, but with more time and with the right combination I probably should achieve the same result on ultra-D. All and all, this pair of Redline really shine in crunching numbers but when it comes to 3D stuff....255~ is pretty much all they can do @3-3-2-8. Granted...I haven't try 2.5-3-2 so I'll have to give it a shot later on.

I'm already getting 22m in SPI 32M with only 254 memclock, it must of put LOTS of strain on the memory controller if I were to run these at....say 270~275 at the same tight timing! if by any chance these ram holds up at those speed along with super tight timing....and if I leave them running like that for 24/7...something has gotta give, my guess is....eventually the memory controller is going to failed.

[ben805]

Sounds like this CE-6 is very hit or miss:( Kinda odd how PI and such are fine, and 3D is borked

I don't understand that either....weird stuff

When you guys received these sticks, did they came in the retail package with the user manual and all, or did they came naked wrapped in an air-pouch? mine came wrapped in the air pouch....they looks like RMA'ed or returned item :stick:

[Duonger]

if you buy from Mushkin we ship it in our famous air pouch. all parts are new since we just released these. we do not sale used parts or RMA parts.

Duonger

[ben805]

glad to know....I'll definitely keep them eventhough they don't clock as high as many other that I've seen ;)

[charlie]

glad to know....I'll definitely keep them eventhough they don't clock as high as many other that I've seen ;)

keep on messing with timings... they're REALLY touchy with settings! And mine DON'T like volts... 2.7 MAX! Wehn I first got mine I couldn't match JNav's results and it took me literally weeks to find the sweet spot!
I can play BF2 up til about 271-273ish... and bench at 280, 3-3-2-8.
I can do 2.5-3-2 til about 262 or so...
What I did was cruise all the CE-6 threads and looked for timings used by the guys who were hiting 270+ and copied them. Especially TRC, usually we use 11 as a nice safe setting with UTT and TCCD, well NOT with this stuff! Needs to be 5-7!

C

[ben805]

keep on messing with timings... they're REALLY touchy with settings! And mine DON'T like volts... 2.7 MAX! Wehn I first got mine I couldn't match JNav's results and it took me literally weeks to find the sweet spot!
I can play BF2 up til about 271-273ish... and bench at 280, 3-3-2-8.
I can do 2.5-3-2 til about 262 or so...
What I did was cruise all the CE-6 threads and looked for timings used by the guys who were hiting 270+ and copied them. Especially TRC, usually we use 11 as a nice safe setting with UTT and TCCD, well NOT with this stuff! Needs to be 5-7!

C

nice tip...wouldn't of thought the TRC needs to be within 5~7 as I tried 8~11 in attempt to gain some stability....get used to tweaking those dang UTT/TCCD :lol: and yes mine doesn't like vdimm either....2.7 is pretty much what they prefered. Does jacking up the Trfc help these infineon at all?

[NISCO PT]

Yeah man, there are many products that aren't sold here in Europe, or just the price is insane. And if we buy from out of Europe we expend a lot in shipping fees =/
here in this litle country near your's...
we call portugal :clap:
we have now :banana:
you can find here :fact: (http://www.pcdiga.com/pcdiga/Produto.asp?Familia=&Artigo=2051)
price:349 euros :slobber:

[Duonger]

it is cus of duties and taxes that your government and the eu trade commission impose on all products being imported.

sorry my friend

Duonger

[Jibby]

I've tried multiple times and can't seem to get cas 2.5 at 250 htt. I'll keep tweaking the bios until I get it. Using 623-2BTA

[Philly_Boy]

Is anyone running these sticks with the new DFI expert mobo? I am building a rig over the weekend based on this ram and the expert board with an Opty 170. Anyone got a linky to some bios/A64 tweaker settings with the above combo? I am an OC'ing n00b, and everyone in here is saying how finicky these chips are, yet how awesome their potential is, so I'm looking for a place to start.

Charlie, those settings you posted as 110% stable earlier in this thread....will they work with the DFI expert board?

Thanks guys for all your help!

[rcillig]

as soon as newegg has them in stock I will be ordering my set of them !

[Duonger]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146034

took them all week to get it up.

Duonger

[rcillig]

ya but not in stock yet..... I got auto notify already setup to email me so I can grab them !

[Philly_Boy]

Prob on the expert :

Is there anyone use 2gb (2x1gb set) Infineon ce-6 or be-5 IC accidentally will cause can't run dual channel? (Most likely it the dimm4 orange one closed to CPU socket)...tried about 7 sets already.
This came from OPB on another thread...anyone know anything about this?

[ExtraPickles]

I've tried multiple times and can't seem to get cas 2.5 at 250 htt. I'll keep tweaking the bios until I get it. Using 623-2BTAI don't think they're all going to do it. My first set did it 250-260 no problem without tweaking at all. Second set won't do it after a day of tweaking. The second set also won't go near as high with loose timings and much tweaking. Still good stuff at rated speed but they do seem to vary.

-pickles

[Duonger]

our techs have been testing them each by hand in single and dual channel before it goes out the door. so if you order a kit, you will get parts that have been tested to insure compatibility.

Duonger

As for Newegg - They had 20 kits to start,... I guess it sold out.

[nop]

This came from OPB on another thread...anyone know anything about this?

hmm..i want to know as well. Duonger, do you've the same problem with Redline and Expert ? Thanks.

[Duonger]

no have not personally seen or heard of any failure. i forwarded this link to my head tech guys home email so lets see what they say. we are close tomorrow so hopefully they will answer before the weekend is over.

Duonger

[nop]

no have not personally seen or heard of any failure. i forwarded this link to my head tech guys home email so lets see what they say. we are close tomorrow so hopefully they will answer before the weekend is over.

Duonger

Thanks Duonger. very appreciate your effort on this one.

My redline should be arrived soon and will run it on the Expert, that's why i'm quite concern.

[ben805]

go to the AMD section and look at Stephen's thread, he asked Expert owner to check their mobo as quite a few of them found some blown resistors on their board, Fugger said the board came like that so I highly doubt the problem on the memory stick, it was the mobo that causes OPB do not able to run them on dual channel. if you have the expert I suggest you to follow Stephen's instruction and check if yours is defective.

[nop]

Thanks ben805. Been there and checked my expert, yes, there's a mark like a trace was cut and had some kind of sealer over the that trace. However, my mark look clean and the near-by resistor doesn't damage like the one of Stephen's. It came like that. I've not seen any instability or strange behavior on my system, yet.

My UTT BH, CH, TCCD and Micron (ballistix) all run fine. Will observe it very very close to see if it'll be any abnomal. Thanks again for pointing that out.

[ben805]

Since my Redline can't do over 255, 2.5-3-2 is a no go even at 240...well I have very limited options as to what divider and multiplier to use for 3.40Ghz, though I'd tighten up the trtw, trfc, tras, enable dynamic counter, and use Tref 4708 instead of 0780...this combination yield the most bandwidth at 242 memclock, I didn't gain anything to drop the trfc down from 14 to 13 or 12, using Read preamble 4.5 instead of 5.5 didn't make a difference, tras 5 is optimal....got no gain from 2, 3, and 4. :lol: This is 3D stable, I was playing BF2 Special Force for about an hour, and half an hour of Quake 4....silky smooth!! :D Aquamark is 101xxx, passed OCCT and memtest, SPI 32M is decent too.


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40369


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40370

[Reinvented]

I hope they come in soon at Newegg. I'm tired of 2T with 4x512. Anyone know where else they are? Or are they just that new and not in stock anywhere?

[sin0822]

they are at mushkin.com

[Reinvented]

Yeah, but if only they'd accept Paypal...

[rcillig]

quess they do if you call Customer Sservice and make your order over the phone ! SO I was told on a dif forum. But I am waiting for NEWEGG too.

[JNav89GT]

yeah I think one of the Mushkin reps mentioned they take paypal ;p

[Jibby]

I tried charlie's stable settings with 250 htt at 2.5-3-2-8 and all was running fine yesterday. I wake up today and my computer is BSODing off the wall and prime95 gets 100 errors in 17 minutes. What the hell happened.

[Jibby]

I backed off to 3-3-3-8 @ 250 htt and everything is running fine. Thats really freakin wierd it 2.5-3-2-8 was 24+ hours prime stable and today it fails after 17 mins. I guess I'm back to 3-3-3-8 ;/

[charlie]

I backed off to 3-3-3-8 @ 250 htt and everything is running fine. Thats really freakin wierd it 2.5-3-2-8 was 24+ hours prime stable and today it fails after 17 mins. I guess I'm back to 3-3-3-8 ;/

that IS weird...

C

[nop]

you scaring me Jibby. my redline'll be arrive soon and my aim is to run it@261htt with 2.5-3-3-

Oh well... :rolleyes:

[Jibby]

with 2.5-3-2-8 its still memtest stable all day but as soon as Windows loads its a whole different story.

[JNav89GT]

I don't know why people are so concerned about cas 2.5. Cas3 isn't really hardly any peformance hit, it's the trp of 2 that make these suckers shine IMO ;)

My experience is that running cas 2.5 is very hard and dependent on cpu, much like running high 3d stable. I've had these in 3 systems and my max 3d is diff in each of them depending on cpu. Wierd thing is I have diff max's with these same cpus with different ram IE UCCC etc... So something in the bios and or combo limits these. Yet, I can still run 265 24/7 total 3d stable. I can bench and run 99% 3D stable 24/7, but I choose to back it down to 265 as I did experience one crash which may or may not have been ram related, but for extra security and CSS piece of mind I chose to run at 265 :)

[nop]

I don't know why people are so concerned about cas 2.5. Cas3 isn't really hardly any peformance hit, it's the trp of 2 that make these suckers shine IMO ;)

My experience is that running cas 2.5 is very hard and dependent on cpu, much like running high 3d stable. I've had these in 3 systems and my max 3d is diff in each of them depending on cpu. Wierd thing is I have diff max's with these same cpus with different ram IE UCCC etc... So something in the bios and or combo limits these. Yet, I can still run 265 24/7 total 3d stable. I can bench and run 99% 3D stable 24/7, but I choose to back it down to 265 as I did experience one crash which may or may not have been ram related, but for extra security and CSS piece of mind I chose to run at 265 :)

JNav, i think you mean you can run at 295 24/7 3d stable before went down to 265 ? :D :D :p:

BTW, nice infor. you gave anyway, hmm...trp@2...will remember that. :cool:

[Reinvented]

I'm going to call in on Monday and see if I can order a set then. I have over 900 bucks sitting in my paypal, which should be put to good use.

[Bar81]

I tried charlie's stable settings with 250 htt at 2.5-3-2-8 and all was running fine yesterday. I wake up today and my computer is BSODing off the wall and prime95 gets 100 errors in 17 minutes. What the hell happened.

Opteron

[Jibby]

Opteron

I have a 3700. What does your reply mean?

[Bar81]

I have a 3700. What does your reply mean?

It meant get an Opteron instead of an A64. Their memory controllers are vastly superior. It seems to me that the memory controller on your A64 simply couldn't handle the stress that 2GB at CAS 2.5 at 250 HTT puts on it. It's a common problem.

[Victorshen]

zomg its so LEET ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG

[Bar81]

zomg its so LEET ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG

spazz :confused:

[nugzo]

I took a pair of pliers and pulled... give me a break. :rolleyes:
Seriously, I was moving them around between the different slots trying to get the second bank to operate, and at one point noticed this...
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/585/redlinexp40000016ct.th.jpg (http://img275.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redlinexp40000016ct.jpg)

Tell the whole story...either that burnt stick wasn't inserted all the way or it was BACKWARDS. i work at a computer repair store and have seen a few times, even did it once myself.

[sin0822]

It meant get an Opteron instead of an A64. Their memory controllers are vastly superior. It seems to me that the memory controller on your A64 simply couldn't handle the stress that 2GB at CAS 2.5 at 250 HTT puts on it. It's a common problem.
If my 865pe chipset board can handle cas of 2.5 at 265 them in sure his A64s could too.

[gr8golf]

Anyone have experience with these Mushkin sticks?

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=245

What chips / PCB's do these use? I will be using them on a DFI LP Expert with an Opteron 170. Thanks!

[Bar81]

If my 865pe chipset board can handle cas of 2.5 at 265 them in sure his A64s could too.

I'm sure you have no idea what you're talking about ;)

[JAM_N1]

Tell the whole story...either that burnt stick wasn't inserted all the way or it was BACKWARDS. i work at a computer repair store and have seen a few times, even did it once myself.

That is what I was trying to find out, perhaps they were not inserted all the way. Thanks. :slap:
If it was not inserted all the way, how come it only happened on one side? :confused:

[graham_h]

Mine will be here next week :woot:
Funny how the importer is dearer than a retailer though :confused: