What Rad to fit in Lian-Li PC-65B with VapoLS? [Archive]

freecableguy

10-01-2005, 04:35 PM

I think I can probably manage to watercool my pair of 7800GTX cards (I would really love too) if I could figure out where to put a radiator in the case...hmm. I think the pump can go in the cd-rom area (at the bottom) and it shouldn't be too hard to run some 1/2" tygon around. The problem I see is where in the world to put the rad! Any ideas?

-FCG

MaxxxRacer

10-01-2005, 04:55 PM

you can fita PA160 in the front of the case.. www.procooling.com has a guide on how to do it in the forums.. marci shows how to do it.. it fits pretty well.

freecableguy

10-01-2005, 05:15 PM

Found it....looks like it could work...I wonder if I can make it work...

MaxxxRacer

10-01-2005, 05:17 PM

I'm sure you can. but the only thing is that 2x7800GTX (im assuming overclocked and likey overvolted) might be a bit much for the pa160.

freecableguy

10-01-2005, 05:17 PM

Yep. Same thinking here.

freecableguy

10-01-2005, 05:18 PM

Asetek needs to develop their next generator of phase-change units to fit below a PC-75....that's what I want.

k00lance

10-01-2005, 05:18 PM

can you take a shot of your system inside :D

freecableguy

10-01-2005, 05:24 PM

http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/DSC00976.JPG

http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/DSC00977.JPG

http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/DSC00981.JPG

-FCG

k00lance

10-01-2005, 05:29 PM

Can you close your case?
my evap hose sticks out too and doesn't go inside the enclosure.
as expected the case is very crowd :D
you should put that woofer down.
carpet will insulate the vibration better

MaxxxRacer

10-01-2005, 05:57 PM

ya woofer should NOT be on ur desk.. will sound and feel much better at your feet or behind your chair.

dam... that is one hell of a crowded case.. dont see how you could fit anything in there, much less a watercooling system.. you really need a pc7077

EnJoY

10-01-2005, 06:03 PM

PA160 can handle a gpu and a cpu, so why not two gpu's? Should be fine in my opinion. If you're worried about location for the PA160, you may want to consider a BIP2 to be placed at the top of your case towards the front above the optical drives. Then get a CSP MAG pump to put in front of the hard drives. T-line it with a fillport and run 3/8" tubing. For blocks, get dual maze 4's and sink up the memory.

k00lance

10-01-2005, 06:08 PM

I put a 850ssi in 65b it is killing me

MaxxxRacer

10-01-2005, 06:09 PM

ROFL k00lance..

Enjoy, from my personal experience the pa160 doesnt handle a cpu and gpu all that well.

EnJoY

10-01-2005, 06:13 PM

Enjoy, from my personal experience the pa160 doesnt handle a cpu and gpu all that well.

Well then perhaps my BIP2 suggestions fits the bill. But even so, two gpu's on a PA160 would still dominate any air cooling solution.

MaxxxRacer

10-01-2005, 06:25 PM

oh no doubt it would dominate any air solution... no doubt of that at all.

I should note that when paired up with a higher cfm fan (100cfm) the pa160's low airflow resistance really does come in handy and allows such high volumes of air through that its smaller size can be compensated for.

I say this becuase my origional statement was geared towards the crowd who would most likely buy the PA160; the nexus 7volters..

BUT IIRC, FGC is not of that persuasion of overclocker and doesnt mind a little noise (ala vapo). so maybe a 80cfm fan at 12v would do better and allow full use of the pa160..

with all of this said, i still dont know where you are going to put ur HDD's FGC?

EnJoY

10-01-2005, 06:34 PM

If he went the BIP2 route, his hard drives could stay where they are. Either way, whatever rad decision is made, I think we can agree on the following for the rest of his loop given his circumstances:

Pump: CSP MAG
Blocks: 2x DDen Maze 4 Low Profile
Tubing/T: 3/8" Tygon & DDen Fill Port

MaxxxRacer

10-01-2005, 06:50 PM

ya id have to agree with that... i would say a higher flow pump to match up with the maze4's but there is no pump that is small enough to work well in his case.

normally wouldt do 3/8" with the maze4's either, but again space is a large concern...

so yes we can agree on those pieces. :D

freecableguy

10-15-2005, 11:53 AM

OK...I am doing this. Project is underway today. Ordering in progress. I got replacement parts for my Lian-Li on the way incase I screw this up or it won't work. I think I am going to get two of the Maze4 Acetal tops from DD and one of the new D5 pumps. The radiator with be a new Thermochill PA160 with the wing kit for mounting in my case. I will move the 3 hardrives I have into a Lian-Li mounting kit made to fit in the bottom 2 5&1/2 drive bays. The floppy drive is coming out and won't be used (I have an extra USB floppy that will work if I need it...rarely really.) I should have results and pictures in the next week and a half or so. Wish me luck! Moving up to watercooling my 7800GTX SLI setup!

BTW, I am having trouble finding the PA160 wings state-side. Anyone know where I can get these?

-FCG

Bloody_Sorcerer

10-15-2005, 12:26 PM

wait, why 3/8" tubing? why not 7/16?

freecableguy

10-15-2005, 12:38 PM

I am going with 1/2"....always have....I like it better.

freecableguy

10-15-2005, 05:16 PM

*gulp* What do I do if the PA160 can't deal with the heatload and my temps are worse! I am not going to count this as sucessfull if I can't keep load temps at 40C and under.

MaxxxRacer

10-15-2005, 06:05 PM

with enough fannage it should be able to keep them under 40C without issue.

freecableguy

10-15-2005, 06:08 PM

I think I am going to go with a high speed 120mm Delta fan rated at about 130-140 cfm. I just made all the orders tonight. I am going to a buddy's wedding next weekend so I probably won't get to start installing the system until next week. The only change I made in the setup from my original specs in the first post was an AquaXtreme 50Z pump instead of the DD D5.

-FCG

MaxxxRacer

10-15-2005, 06:19 PM

wowzers.. thats quite a fan.. you wont have any issues with that fan, but i msut admit thats a bit overkill for that rad.

freecableguy

10-15-2005, 06:20 PM

We'll see, I'll step down if I am more than satisfied with it. Actually, I will probably step voltage up on the cards....lol.

Final Order:

Pump - AquaXtreme 50Z (black)
Radiator - ThermoChill PA160 with shroud, wings mounting kit and antivibration pump kit (mounting to a Lian-Li PC-65B)
GPU Blocks - 2x Danger Den Maze4 Acetal top (low profile)
Tubing - Tygon R-3603 1/2" ID 3/4" OD
Fan- Delta 120x38mm FFB1212VHE (~150CFM!)

I will be moding a Lian-Li PC-65B which requires the removal of my 3.5 drive (so long!) and the relocation of my drives to the 5.25" bay area. I will, of course, post pictures of my work as it is being done and when complete.

Goal:

30C (or less) idle and 40C (or less) full load.

-FCG

MaxxxRacer

10-15-2005, 06:59 PM

your goals should be very doable... I know with my systems the gpu (overvolted X800XT) would idle as low as 26C. load was around 35C.. when the room warmed up and the fans were low it reached a max of like 42C load...

EnJoY

10-15-2005, 07:10 PM

I think the laing D5 and 1/2" tubing is a big mistake for this setup.

For one, 1/2" tubing is going to put tons of torque on the blocks with the tight bends you'll have to make, plus the extra space that tubing will take up is going to be very restricting to case air flow and component space.

In terms of the pump, the D5 is powerful, but still has a 20+ watt heat dump that is really a lot when considering you're going to be cooling dual 7800gtx's with a single PA160. I would have gone the route of the csp mag pump as I suggested, as that pump has a heat dump under 5 watts.

Oh well, I should have guess this, everything FCG does is excessive.

freecableguy

10-15-2005, 07:44 PM

I didn't get the D5, I got an AquaXtreme 50Z.

freecableguy

10-16-2005, 10:20 AM

I bought 20' of a different type of Tygon...

Spec: Tygon® Medical/Surgical Tubing 7/16" ID x 5/8" OD x 3/32" Wall

Should slip over 1/2" OD barb without the need for hose clamps. This also has a smaller OD and wall thickness, both good for small spaces and tight turns. This particular tubing is supposed to be very resistant to kinking and should be exactly what this setup needs.

Leeum

10-16-2005, 11:14 AM

Any reason for not going for the NV-78 SLI kit? I think the PA160 will cope with those cards fairly easily, just make sure you cut some sort of hole in the case chasis for the radiator to pull air in :)

MaxxxRacer

10-16-2005, 11:21 AM

The NV-78 is an overpriced piece of garbage... Thats why.

EnJoY

10-16-2005, 06:48 PM

The NV-78 is an overpriced piece of garbage... Thats why.

Well said.

FCG: Glad you took my advice on the 7/16" tygon. I use it, Cathar uses it...and who else knows water cooling better than us? :p:

freecableguy

10-19-2005, 02:42 PM

tygon's here (7/16"), radiator and shroud here, 2 LP Maze4 blocks are here, fans are here, tee line (10 of them...) here, clamps here, gaskets here....waiting on my pump and the mounting "wings" (from UK) for my PA160 now. i should have everything by next Monday or Tuesday at the latest. i think I should be assembled by Thursday and testing then at the latest. should be a great setup. i can't wait to get this SLI watercooling online...