x1800--->9700marks(default) at 3dmark05?

[GoriLLakoS]

A guy that he is now at Spain(ibiza) at the official launch of the X1800 informed me that this card at it's default clocks can reach the incredible score of 9700marks at 3Dmark05......as he told me they have 800lt of LN2 and an o/c competition on Sunday.....

I think the new cards will not have cold bugs...:p .....

let the time confirm what i said...(if it was true)....

Sampsa is there too....... :woot:

[althes]

we need pics

[Grayskull]

Now how is that possible? According to the some of the fortune tellers over here it can't even break 7K :rolleyes: 4days 6 hours 20 minutes...


A guy that he is now at Spain(ibiza) at the official launch of the X1800 informed me that this card at it's default clocks can reach the incredible score of 9700marks at 3Dmark05......as he told me they have 800lt of LN2 and an o/c competition on Sunday.....

I think the new cards will not have cold bugs...:p .....

let the time confirm what i said...(if it was true)....

Sampsa is there too....... :woot:

[Karma]

Now how is that possible? According to the some of the fortune tellers over here it can't even break 7K :rolleyes: 4days 6 hours 20 minutes...

I don't know.........you tell us! ;) :toast:

[AfterClock]

Guys, perhaps you're asking too much ?
I'm quite sure that Grayskull got no permission to "leak" any scores, etc.

And what's all this about.
Just 4 days...such a big deal ?

[Karma]

But I want it NOW!!!!!!! It's all about me, me, me!

NDA, meh! In 3 days I'm flying off to the moon, & if I can't figure out the 3D Mark 05 score by then, the whole thing will be for naught. NAUGHT!





















This episode brought to you by the letters 'S', 'A', 'R', 'C', 'S', and 'M'.....there are two letters 'A', btw. :slap: ;)

[althes]

This is just becoming ridiculous

[GAR]

This is just becoming ridiculous

i agree, i think everyone should SHHH!!! intill these cards come out, too many spectualtions. and false info being told about these cards, maybe its a great card, and maybe it will suck balls like the ati 3d rage compared to TNT :eek: LOL

[Ugly n Grey]

@Troman...

ATI support is working just like Nvidias.... perfectly for released products :D
Funny Nvidia won't leak the scores for a G80, amazing how that works.
LOL...too funny

[speed bump]

Please shoot me becuase I have trouble being able to even pay attention to what these cards are going to do becuase ATI has just finally got crossfire somewhat out this is going to be a paper luanch and the actual cards will go sale in December.

[k0nsl]

Well, a fly on my wall informed me that the x1800 will do 23000marks (default) at 3DMark05. Somehow I don't trust him [the fly]...........Without any pictures or some sort of vertification these things are worthless, just like the fly on my wall, who is now flyspeck.

-k0nsl

[Vapor]

k0nsl: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74828

[JuanFlaiter]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26622

[SaFrOuT]

sorry but i no longer trust benchmakrs scores, show me real numbers from fraps in many games

[Grayskull]

Exactly... :D

@Troman...

ATI support is working just like Nvidias.... perfectly for released products :D
Funny Nvidia won't leak the scores for a G80, amazing how that works.
LOL...too funny

[Vapor]

sorry but i no longer trust benchmakrs scores, show me real numbers from fraps in many gamesSome of us (well, most of us) care more about benchmark scores :D

[JuanFlaiter]

Some of us (well, most of us) care more about benchmark scores :D

Well there are several branches, the overclocking athletes (Macci, Shamie, Fugger, etc...), gamers and hardware enthusiasts.

The first don't care about architectures, just need some sweet scores in futuremark, gamers just want to play at sick resolutions and fluidly and the third, well the third just discuss about this things in forums :D

[DilTech]

Some of us (well, most of us) care more about benchmark scores :D
I'm not on that list, I wanna see game scores at 1600x1200 or higher or I don't personally care, and if it's not stable it doesn't count!

[k0nsl]

k0nsl: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74828

Very funny, but I must agree, this thread belongs there :rolleyes:

-k0nsl

[GoriLLakoS]

Ok Mr.Konsl you have right...!!!!!...you don't have to act like this i think.....

Here a photo of Sampsa and Macci together..

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290525

[GoriLLakoS]

And here my friend(dimcar)....with an X1800 at his hands and 800lt LN2 behind him.....tonight,is the o/c night.....:)

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290526

[hipro5]

I think that we'd better sit down and enjoy , than say bulls......ATI IS HERE........ :D

[hipro5]

Well, a fly on my wall informed me that the x1800 will do 23000marks (default) at 3DMark05. Somehow I don't trust him [the fly]...........Without any pictures or some sort of vertification these things are worthless, just like the fly on my wall, who is now flyspeck.

-k0nsl


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/announcement.php?f=120&announcementid=38

No 1 and No 9 and No 12 and No 20...... :) Please......

[Athens[2004]]

dammit , canT wait 2 see the results . , :D

[GoriLLakoS]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/announcement.php?f=120&announcementid=38

No 1 and No 9 and No 12 and No 20...... :) Please......



:D :D :D :up:

[LittleDevil]

Do you have some new pictures?

tnx

[hipro5]

Please allow me Bill(GoriLLakoS) to upload them....... :)



http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290590

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290593


EDIT: ...."our" man from in there: "I just can't give you numbers yet till Wednesday, but I benched a bit with it on the 3D Mark 2005 and I must confess that with the X1800 on a 4000+, I got much more marks than the GTX on a FX57".......

[higgins]

nice pics hipro

looks like a.... graphics card... :D

scores around ~9000+ isn't bad at all, didn't expect that really. :)

[GoriLLakoS]

Damn....you are faster than me everywhere...:p hehe....

anyone who doughts about the score before, will be something more than pleased by wednesday....scores can"t b revealed till then.....

[GoriLLakoS]

nice pics hipro

looks like a.... graphics card... :D

scores around ~9000+ isn't bad at all, didn't expect that really. :)


+ a little more Mr.Higgins....:)

[hipro5]

Damn....you are faster than me everywhere...:p hehe....

I'm with a Pentium 4 Northwood..... :D :toast:

[babyelf]

Please allow me Bill(GoriLLakoS) to upload them....... :)

EDIT: ...."our" man from in there: "I just can't give you numbers yet till Wednesday, but I benched a bit with it on the 3D Mark 2005 and I must confess that with the X1800 on a 4000+, I got much more marks than the GTX on a FX57".......

awesome looking cards :D

[Hicks]

yeah they look cool........... and nice pic with the Ln2 behind the guy, and the pose, lol class. :cool:

Benchmark scores are all well and good, but most people want to see game numbers. Id id bet a lot of money, that in games, it won't be much higher, especially in new games. Newer games are all about Shader power, and fill-rates, i think the high 05 scores with the X1800 is because of it's 1500mhz memory speed, rather than it's all round ability. :)

[HaLDoL]

So after Macci, Sampsa sold out to ATi?

[hipro5]

I don't think that they have been "sold out to ATI"........macci was fond of ATI.....BUT IF ONLY ATI is the one which invite them all over the world for these events and not NVIDIA, they go......Wouldn't you?...... ;)

[k|ngp|n]

Please allow me Bill(GoriLLakoS) to upload them....... :)



http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290590

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290593


EDIT: ...."our" man from in there: "I just can't give you numbers yet till Wednesday, but I benched a bit with it on the 3D Mark 2005 and I must confess that with the X1800 on a 4000+, I got much more marks than the GTX on a FX57".......

That card is looking sick Hipro!!!!
Man I cant wait to get my hands on one or two of these :slobber:

[nachthymnen]

ATI is back!!! :slobber: :clap:

[HaLDoL]

I don't think that they have been "sold out to ATI"........macci was fond of ATI.....BUT IF ONLY ATI is the one which invite them all over the world for these events and not NVIDIA, they go......Wouldn't you?...... ;)
Maybe, but why would ATi want to do that? Why "buy" some overclockers to give them pre released, handpicked hardware to reach insane scores. This is not fair toward other overclockers. Why don't they let the community decide whether your product is good or not. If it's good, people will automatically use it.

I know it's all PR and stuff, but is it fair? What if Nvidia hires Shamino to do some benches with a G80 engineering sample.

The "hiring" of Sampsa seems to fit in ATi's PR scheme as he was the only one who dared to criticise ATi in the infamous "Look what arrived at castle Grayskull" or something like that thread. Later on he started the "Look what showed up at the front door of Castle Sampsa... " to give ATi a piece of it's own cake.

Annother thing is that crossfire motherboards are nowhere to be found. They simply don't exist (paper launch no xxx). And the X1800XT will only be availabe from the 5th of November on, so that's more than a month before other overclockers can begin to compete.

[k0nsl]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/announcement.php?f=120&announcementid=38

No 1 and No 9 and No 12 and No 20...... :) Please......

Right. Let's see:

1. I challenge you to show where I have "engaged in personal attacks, which includes references to bodily harm/violence.". The saying about a fly on the wall originated in America and most people would know what this means. It is not "flaming" to say this.
9. I, again, challenge you to show me where I have "spammed". I will quote the specific rule you mention here: "There will be No Spamming allowed. If spamming appears to be for the simple purpose for access to our classifieds section. Your post(s) will be removed and future access will be denied. Any and all spam will not be tolerated."
12. This is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. You allege that I am PREJUDICED. IF you are unable to show me where I have supposedly been showing "prejudice" this would say more about you than it does about me. Here is what is says exactly in the rules of what you accused me of:

"This forum has a policy of tolerance and inclusion and its purpose is to share knowledge and results and discuss them in a friendly respectfull and polite way. Prejudicial language and behavior is absolutely forbidden and may result in loss of posting privileges. Racial, Sexist or Religious slights of any kind are absolutely not tolerated, nor are slights against other groups or person based on sexual orientation, age, class, IQ, ethnicity or similar features."

Do you think sharing opinions is the same as being "prejudiced", or maybe you would like me to believe everything without some sort of vertification? Am I not allowed to doubt said scores from a card which there has been more rumours about than the Kennedy murder? Who is being prejudiced!

12. Now you accuse me of "trolling" the forum. I suppose you believe that when defending myself I am also "trolling"? Maybe you think I should have let you say these things and get away with it. No, that is not the way I work. When I am accused of something I will stand up to the accuser and ask him to substantiate his allegations. This is what I am going to do again: Where have I been "trolling" this forum? Do you believe that one is "trolling" merely for expressing ones own opinions? Do you want me to swallow claims about scores and such, line hook and sinker, without asking for some sort of vertification or proof? Am I being unreasonable when there has been so many rumours about this card and its supposed speeds, scores and pipes?

By the way, if you are unable to notice, this is not a flame. It is a response to your accusations on page #1 of this thread.

Have a wonderful day,
-k0nsl

[edit]
hipro and I have spoken, no problems.

[Ugly n Grey]

k0nsl, grow up and take your response to PM and quit crapping on this thread. You are are OT and invite the flames with your snotty remarks.

UnG

[k0nsl]

k0nsl, grow up and take your response to PM and quit crapping on this thread. You are are OT and invite the flames with your snotty remarks.

UnG

Sorry. Next time somebody accuse me of all sorts of garbage I will just accept it. "snotty remarks"... :rolleyes:

-k0nsl

[GoriLLakoS]

Our guy in there just informed us that Ati is going to give an end to Hard mods cause
the new card has software to change the VCORE via this:woot:

End of hard mods starts here....he he

He said too that the scores to 3D is very very big

Gatch you Hipro this time.....:p
I've got a Dothan...

[GoriLLakoS]

:stick:
now your the one who is flaming :nono:

yeah let's keep it OT please

my prediction

3Dmark05 crosfire 18K wil be down tonight :toast:
yeap....but we will gonna see this result in three days....

i will keep you informed for everything new....:p

[hipro5]

Sorry. Next time somebody accuse me of all sorts of garbage I will just accept it. "snotty remarks"... :rolleyes:

-k0nsl

I'm NOT accusing ANYONE in here.....I just "show" some things in case that they are forgoten......It's not my style to accuse......Sorry if you took it wrong......

[wfarid]

its always soo funny to see people saying OMG ATI is the SUXXOR, they are going to go down the tubes and then a couple of weeks later say OMG ATI IS THE ROXXOR...

But those cards are big, they remind me of my Vodoo 5500 pci back in the day...

[turtle]

Our guy in there just informed us that Ati is going to give an end to Hard mods cause
the new card has software to change the VCORE via this:woot:

End of hard mods starts here....he he



SWAYT. I hope it's most than +.2 volts.

Is Vmem also adjustable?

[Arkangyl]

I just wanna see the ATI cards at a competitive price point before 2006...

please ATI, paper launches kill babies

[GoriLLakoS]

SWAYT. I hope it's most than +.2 volts.

Is Vmem also adjustable?
he doesn't mention something about this....

@arkangyl

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2785&s=1

but i don't think they will be so cheap....

[AACDIRECT]

Annother thing is that crossfire motherboards are nowhere to be found. They simply don't exist (paper launch no xxx). And the X1800XT will only be availabe from the 5th of November on, so that's more than a month before other overclockers can begin to compete.

I talked with DFI USA last week. They expect the production boards in the next few days. This shipment was not to be samples but stock for shipping. They will cost around $229.00.

[eva2000]

Now how is that possible? According to the some of the fortune tellers over here it can't even break 7K :rolleyes: 4days 6 hours 20 minutes...
maybe card is at stock but cpu like FX-57 @3800mhz ???

Our guy in there just informed us that Ati is going to give an end to Hard mods cause
the new card has software to change the VCORE via this:woot:

End of hard mods starts here....he he


ah just right for those that can't solder if their life depended on it :D

[LardArse]

All these talk about Ati PR good/bad doesn't really sink in... what REALLY sunk in is that pic of macci and Sampsa and that big tanko LN2 there, plus Hipro's card pics...
Damn my palms just sweat lookin at these, gonna be really exciting for us to watch... guess its my turn to sit back and enjoy the show!!
Give us something to gasp about guys!! :toast:

[Ugly n Grey]

Those guys are going to have some WR's to post for sure.... Wednesday? Hurry up Wednesday....

[eva2000]

All these talk about Ati PR good/bad doesn't really sink in... what REALLY sunk in is that pic of macci and Sampsa and that big tanko LN2 there, plus Hipro's card pics...
Damn my palms just sweat lookin at these, gonna be really exciting for us to watch... guess its my turn to sit back and enjoy the show!!
Give us something to gasp about guys!! :toast:
so when ya getting ya hands on a few pairs of these ??? :D

[trakslacker]

the adjustable vore voltage(if in fact true) is awesome.

2 days, 19 hours and counting. :toast:

[mrlobber]

I talked with DFI USA last week. They expect the production boards in the next few days. This shipment was not to be samples but stock for shipping. They will cost around $229.00.

CF-BT or RDX200 CF-DR?

As for the X1800XT, although now we can be pretty sure that it will beat the 7800GTX convincingly, I'm pretty skeptic about its availability. Now for the chosen legends (macci & Sampsa), they will set new world records in 3d benching in the next week for sure, however, the mortal users will have to wait for these cards quite a time.

[AH^DK]

Shiat thats some nice lookin cards.

Vcore via Software could be so great.

Now thats probs the reason why Macci havent aswered my PM, been to busy with R520 :D

[AACDIRECT]

CF-BT or RDX200 CF-DR?

As for the X1800XT, although now we can be pretty sure that it will beat the 7800GTX convincingly, I'm pretty skeptic about its availability. Now for the chosen legends (macci & Sampsa), they will set new world records in 3d benching in the next week for sure, however, the mortal users will have to wait for these cards quite a time.

RDX200 CF-DR :D

I did not get a ETA on the one based on the reference design. (I also have not heard directly from DFI USA that it will even be called CF-BT. Of course I did not ask either. They did say it was coming for sure.)

Both boards should rock...going to be intersting to see which is better. I was told from a good source that the RDX200 was going to be good. I have a reference CF board and I KNOW it rocks.

I know r5XX cards are going to be available at launch. Just not so sure on which ones. I hope we see tons of all versions. Only a few days till we know for sure.

[Stuperman]

the count down on ATI's website and an ad on the INQ have different end times, wtf?

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/different times.th.jpg (http://server5.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=different times.jpg)

[GoriLLakoS]

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

Default score?
Overclocked score at 856/1880???

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290690

[AACDIRECT]

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

Default score?
Overclocked score at 856/1880???

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290690

UHH forget the score for a minute. 856/1880..... :slobber:

Now that's what I'm talking about..... :slapass: Teach that card who's boss.

EDIT: Is this like the Price is Right. Do we get a higher or lower?
My guess is 18468 ;)

[GoriLLakoS]

@troman....not mvp...single card....

[Stuperman]

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

Default score?
Overclocked score at 856/1880???

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290690

current SLI record +1?

p.s. 1880 MEM !?!?!?!? that's just plain :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: ed up

[AACDIRECT]

My guess is 13200.

[GoriLLakoS]

lower....and lower......It's only a single card man.....

[Stuperman]

12944

[gergo]

12766

[mrlobber]

:slobber:

12800

Btw, is it X1800XL or X1800XT benchmarked?

[Chris27]

11976

[LenniZ]

I bet 9642 stock, and 12343 overclocked.

[Athens[2004]]

1.000.0000$ 9199@11111

[nachthymnen]

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

Default score?
Overclocked score at 856/1880???

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290690

OMG!!!They have benched at 856/1880?
9.5K default and 12300 in OC?

[dqniel]

yeah indeed you tell us..
were is the so called ATI SUPPORT ? :rolleyes:

Why would you roll your eyes at Gray? It's not like he's ALLOWED to leak scores and private info about the cards to us and just doesn't want to... Best thing he can do right now is shoot down the speculation while keeping his job. :slapass:

[nachthymnen]

I want to know the result!!!!

[babyelf]

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

Default score?
Overclocked score at 856/1880???

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290690

holy... 1880mem :eek:

11547 for overclocked scores :toast:

[AACDIRECT]

The only reason they won't tell people outright what the score is if they did the glory of the score would blind and burn you. ATI is protecting you from serious retinal damage. They are waiting till later this week so they have time to ship you your protective glasses.

I recieved my glasses already. Hit me. :cool:

[Vapor]

I swear every picture I see of Macci I think it's Eminem, even after the bunch I've seen, even when I expect it to be Macci, I think it's Eminem.

Anyway, I really can't wait for all this info to get released, but some should be obvious already. 1) At stock it beats the GTX in 05 and I'd bet my GTX that it would in 01 as well ;) 2) It ain't got no cold bug (some one confirmed it above but shouldn't the massive amount of LN2 give it away?). 3) ATi knows they're late to the party and are bringing their A-game...and Macci's and Sampsa's A-game :D

I'm about 90% sure now that my GTX is on the selling block in the coming weeks.

[AACDIRECT]

I swear every picture I see of Macci I think it's Eminem, even after the bunch I've seen, even when I expect it to be Macci, I think it's Eminem.

Anyway, I really can't wait for all this info to get released, but some should be obvious already. 1) At stock it beats the GTX in 05 and I'd bet my GTX that it would in 01 as well ;) 2) It ain't got no cold bug (some one confirmed it above but shouldn't the massive amount of LN2 give it away?). 3) ATi knows they're late to the party and are bringing their A-game...and Macci's and Sampsa's A-game :D

I'm about 90% sure now that my GTX is on the selling block in the coming weeks.

If you ever meet him in person watch out if he offers you some "traditional" Finnish candy.... trust me.

[Sentential]

ATi definatly appears to have gotten the yeild issue under control if those clocks are true :) I hope it holds true for the entire series as I might get an X1800PRO if the core speed is like the XT.

Very impressive to say the least. I look foreward to what this and other card(s) are capable of.

[G H Z]

After all the BS this is looking very good for ATI and worth the wait. That memory overclock is just nuts, and the LN2....well nuff said :woot:

Thanks very much for sharing this Gorillakos :toast:

Only thing I wish ATI would have done is put all the memory chips on the backside of the card ;)

[Vapor]

Wow, when I posted my first post I didn't even realize there was a second page...LOL.

Anyway, my guess for the score is dependant on the CPU speed, mate....can you give us info on that?

[Vapor]

My guess: 13371 :D

Hmmm, didn't see that it was sub-13200, must be VERY CPU limited (as expected), so I'll change my guess (although having 1337 in the score would be 1337, I guess it won't happen :( ).

New Guess: 12371 :stick:

[G H Z]

He already siad it's lower than 13,200 ;)

[Sentential]

GoriLLakoS what cooling was this overclock done on? Air? Stock? Water? Phase? LN2? Which. It makes a significant difference to all of us here.

If those numbers were on LN2 the PRO I am eyeing is alot less attractive than if this was done on air.

[felinusz]

What kind of cooling was used for these clockspeeds?

I see a big jug of LN2 in a picture on the first page.... if these results are with LN2 (if these cores can even TAKE LN2) then I'm thinking the same things Sent is thinking...

[Jort]

What kind of cooling was used for these clockspeeds?

I see a big jug of LN2 in a picture on the first page.... if these results are with LN2 (if these cores can even TAKE LN2) then I'm thinking the same things Sent is thinking...

there is at this time no ati card with cold bug afaik. :banana: :clap:

[trakslacker]

hmm, 856 has been done before(Macci hit 904 on an 850 XTPE), but 1880 on mem is SICK.

My guesses:
stock @ 9465
OC'ed @ 12848

[AfterClock]

hmm, 856 has been done before(Macci hit 904 on an 850 XTPE), but 1880 on mem is SICK.

My guesses:
stock @ 9465
OC'ed @ 12848

Yes, but with ATIs previous core...not with R520 :)

[Magnj]

:) anyone wanna but my x800xl for like 600 bucks?

[trakslacker]

:) anyone wanna but my x800xl for like 600 bucks?


lol, enticing offer. Now, by "X800XL" do you mean "my X1800XT after I buy one" and by "600 bucks" do you mean "$50"? If so then we have a deal. ;)

Anyhoo, can't wait for tuesday/wednesday)whenever scores are officially released).

[Grayskull]

Right...the new core should be faster... ;)

Yes, but with ATIs previous core...not with R520 :)

[Vapor]

It looks like ATi handled their situation well (nV did surprise just about everyone with the 7800GTX en masse the day of release!)....now we just have to wait for when we can buy these....congrats if you guys pull it off, I certainly doubted you. ;)

[Grayskull]

Cold bug....what's that? :D

there is at this time no ati card with cold bug afaik. :banana: :clap:

[Vapor]

Cold bug....what's that? :D2 Days, 10 hrs, 41 minutes until you can stop teasing us :D

9AM Wednesday, can't wait....what time zone though?

[T_M]

Here's hoping the non-cherries clock anywhere near as good.
Yes memory on top side would have been nice, but would have made the stock cooling infinitely more difficult.

[metro.cl]

Nice can't wait to see the results

[JasonDTM]

Here's hoping the non-cherries clock anywhere near as good.
Yes memory on top side would have been nice, but would have made the stock cooling infinitely more difficult.

The X850XT core was good, I hear Greyskull got some off the line cards for macci when he was at the Castle and it helluva core speed. :)

[Vapor]

I bet these clock well with water if they have software voltage adjustment :slobber:

[perkam]

Right...the new core should be faster... ;)

I just hope they can compete price-wise too seeing as how they're looking to compete very well performance wise.

Perkam

[beta67]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R5XX/

[trakslacker]

Yes, but with ATIs previous core...not with R520 :)


heh, I'm very well aware it was with the R480 core that Macci hit 904 with(its in my post) and the new core will certainly be faster/more powerful at the same speed. I was just hoping to see some unreal core clock on the new core. Obviously ~856 is already a huge OC, I was just dreaming of seeing an R520 at 1Ghz. But hey, theres plenty of time for that to happen. ;)

[freecableguy]

Still a month away...any way you slice it. LOL

[Stuperman]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R5XX/

SWEET, my 9600XT gets it's ass kicked by the new low end part...

I need a new video card.

[Vapor]

That new card competes with the 9800Pro :stick:

I can't wait. :D

[nachthymnen]

Near 1Ghz of core it's amazing!!!And near 2Ghz for the ram...the same!!! :slobber:

[jahjahbinks]

hopefully x1800 will be out this week.

[Stuperman]

well the counter ends wed 9am EST (but that may just be that the counter is synched to your/my local clock).

[Vapor]

Yeah, 9AM, but we don't know which timezone....it's synched to your local clock.

[babyelf]

1day 18hours for me :D

[Karma]

I think some people here missed that the link provided has 3 other pages........ :stick: ;)

[Stuperman]

NO, I didn't uh, want to uh,read them till uh, later, yeah, that's it......

That X1600XT has 256bit memory type bandwidth and the X1800XT pwns F.E.A.R. (or so ATI claims)

I really hope those are bridged down to AGP, the X1600's at least.

[4rory]

I think it's est time because ati is here just outside of toronto.

Also Us overclockers and the like have to really bow down to ati for noticing us, software vgpu adjustments? come on, this is a big step ati took, watch all other graphics cards follow now. Thanks ati for noticing this 1% market!

Also greyskull do you work out of the toronto area office? My neighboor works for ati in the driver development part, just wondering if you to know each other.

[Lestat HWL]

yeah indeed you tell us..
were is the so called ATI SUPPORT ? :rolleyes:

Grayskull cannot speak about information that is NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement)...

Please do not be rude to the company reps that participate in this forum.

Thank you.

[GAR]

i dont believe it, this ati thing is ridiculous, even if the cards are released its too little too late this round, i like ati tho, my next build i will probably go back to ati, but this round they were too late.

[zakelwe]

I'm looking forward to seeing a 1Ghz run in 3dmark for the very first time, to me that has more "wow" factor than a bigegr score.

The rv530 X1600XT looks very nice, it sure gives the 6600GT a good kicking. Hopefully this will force nvidia to get 7600 and 7200 out of the door on 90nm or else they will be losing mid range sales.

Any 3dmark03 results ? Prefer those to 05.

Regards

Andy

[HeavyH20]

ATI may be late, but if they prove their card to be faster, those seeking the absolute fastest product, even if already vested in the 7800 GTX, will switch. I have a feeling ATI will watch for the flood of 7800 GTX cards on eBay as the first sign of new sales. :D

[G H Z]

The modifiable GPU voltage sounds very cool. It will be interesting to see how they control/cap it. Let it wide open as long as the core temperature is reasonable :D

If it's only GPU voltage thats tweakable with a hard mod the memory might hit 2 Ghz!

[Grayskull]

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

Here's hoping the non-cherries clock anywhere near as good.
Yes memory on top side would have been nice, but would have made the stock cooling infinitely more difficult.

[Stuperman]

Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

i peed a little reading that.

[nachthymnen]

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

OMG :slobber: It's possible to know the clock under frostbyteIII? :D

[G H Z]

Hi Greyskull,

Was the 'slight volt modding' done via software? Can you tell us the limits or any other details at this point, or your final clocks? :D

Also I was assuming that the card Gorilla mentioned running 856/1880 was done on LN2 no?

[dinos22]

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.
pitty they didn't invite you over to Ibiza hehehehehee

[b0bd0le]

what does a 7800GTX score in 3dmark05? the X1800XL is a tad slower than it...

the difference between the XL & the XT seems to be huge

i wonder how available the XT will be

[Tanktanium]

what does a 7800GTX score in 3dmark05? the X1800XL is a tad slower than it...

the difference between the XL & the XT seems to be huge

i wonder how available the XT will be

If there aren't a large number of cards available at the offical launch date for X1800XT, ATI is sunk for the high end. Nobody can withstand the bad rep of two failed paper launches in a row.

[Jort]

Cold bug....what's that? :D

ati still kicks :banana: :banana: :banana:

mhh i sold my X800 because i didn't give a :banana::banana::banana::banana: about grafics(don't game anymore) but i am very tempting to buy a X1800XL :slobber:

[Victorshen]

is this the 24ps version or the 16ps version?

[Vapor]

16p/8v

[nachthymnen]

There's no way to know the results?
PVT? :D

[Victorshen]

16p/8v
how could it be 8vs?
it should be 10vs

[Vapor]

The sell sheets say 8 Geometry Pipes....of course there's speculation that these slides are fake--I'll take them as truth until notified otherwise.

[_Eduard_]

I think ATI is going to be the first to achive 1ghz core gpu clocks (no wait I'm sure :D )

[perkam]

of course there's speculation that these slides are fake

I've reviewed the evidence on Rage3d claiming that the slides are fake, and though I find dissappointing the level of fanboyism there, the slides have grammatical errors, but only a few things that you'd only see if you set out to find mistakes in the slides in the first place ;) .

The slides seem very real to me, enjoy :)

Perkam

[k|ngp|n]

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

That is the best news I have heard so far...really excited for these cards.

[dinos22]

Grayskull can you comment on this quote
I dont know, I just try to say that The Stilt has tested an ATI Crossfire reference mobo..

If I dont remember very wrong, The Stilt tested an CPU with cold bug and it did'nt OC at all with, hmm, cascade? CO2? LN2?
Then he tested this ATI CF mobo and same thing, hard cold bug, but in BIOS he found "adjustable drive strenght resistor's" (I dont know if it writes/translates like that) and CPU OC like hell after that "found"
No cold bug :)

That's why I asked if someone know if DFI's crossfire mobo has these adjustable resisance's optios in BIOS, if they have so I think cold bug is history :fact:

[DCR]

i dont believe it, this ati thing is ridiculous, even if the cards are released its too little too late this round, i like ati tho, my next build i will probably go back to ati, but this round they were too late.

I don't really think there is such a thing as "too late" anymore, when regarding graphics cards. The timing of the card releases seems to almost roll around at a seamless rate nowadays, and actually makes it difficult to shell out $600 for a card, when the next ass-kicker might be 60 days out.

That being said, I have sat out this entire "round" waiting for the ATI launch that we have in a day or so. My X800XT PE is working just fine, so I was only slightly tempted to buy a 7800 GTX to boost performance, but fortunately, I was patient enough to hold out.

So, I am going to sell my MSI board and X800XT PE AGP card, and dive into the next gen ATI and PCI Express...and I think it was worth the wait.

[Razor_Sniper]

came acros this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R5XX/images/X1800-1.jpg

[Vapor]

So did we 37 posts ago :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1066346#post1066346

[perkam]

I'm tired of seeing Dx9 on a nex gen slide...i think if microsoft was following the same development timeline as dx7 to dx 8 to dx9, we'd have dx 10 by now :(

yea yea i know, the tech isnt ready yet :p:

EDIT: Vapor that's the second time you've out-posted me to a response !!! lol

Perkam

[Vapor]

EDIT: Vapor that's the second time you've out-posted me to a response !!! lol

PerkamWell, look how much you typed compared to me.... :p:

Say the minimum and then edit up, we do have 2 free minutes :D

EDIT: what was the first one? LOL...can't find it

EDIT2: it appears that Macci's been watching the forum, why can't he just post a "hi from Ibiza" with at least a smiley...I wanna know that he's got the single card record already :D

[mrlobber]

EDIT2: it appears that Macci's been watching the forum, why can't he just post a "hi from Ibiza" with at least a smiley...I wanna know that he's got the single card record already :D

Hmm, if he's lurking around here, probably he has nothing to do anymore, which means, he's got the record in his pocket :D

[Vapor]

Exactly ;)

[Jort]

or maybe he saw one of the numbers posted hee and is trying to get one :D

[Vapor]

or maybe he saw one of the numbers posted hee and is trying to get one :DYou know he's at the ATi event and is being sponsored (as well as Sampsa) to set the single card records while he's there, right? Those scores are his (and Sampsa's)...

[Jort]

yeah score together then, we will know it wednesday

[Comp-Freak]

Insane :woot: Can't believe it, but if all of this is true... would be so cool :D Good one from ATi.

[b0bd0le]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R5XX/images/X1800-1.jpg
hmm...

[Vapor]

Did you even bother to look up 10 posts? Or is there something new you want us to see? :stick:

[trakslacker]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R5XX/images/X1800-1.jpg
hmm...


ppl please read thorugh the thread before posting these things. Chances are that is you found it, someone else already found it first.

Not trying to be hateful or mean, just a friendly reminder. Anyhoo, I'm psyched about these new cards. :)

[Magnj]

ppl please read thorugh the thread before posting these things. Chances are that is you found it, someone else already found it first.

Not trying to be hateful or mean, just a friendly reminder. Anyhoo, I'm psyched about these new cards. :)
:slapass:
did you really need to quote that pic for a third time

[DCR]

+equips flame suit+

Can anyone speculate what this card would pull on 3Dmark03?

What does an '05 score of 9100 equal in an '03 run?

:flame: :am:

[Marlowe]

I think it's great that ATI include the 3DMark05 scores for a point of measure for the cards.. I've asked for excactly that before.. (what about the rest of the system providing those scores btw?)

However that leaves little doubt that they have focused quite a bit on getting high scores in that particular benchmark, and obviously tweaked their drivers for it.. I just want people to have that in mind..

Peace.

[wittekakker]

+equips flame suit+

Can anyone speculate what this card would pull on 3Dmark03?

What does an '05 score of 9100 equal in an '03 run?

:flame: :am:
35k :confused:

[perkam]

3dmark03 is more cpu dependent than 05, and 01 even more so... world of diff between fx + x1800 and a pressy + x1800.

What i want to know is what 900/1900 looks like in 3dmark01 :p:

Perkam

[HaLDoL]

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.
Of course they are cherries, and all those ATi engineers are only just there to give them coffee, not helping them to do mods and so? You`re a PR dude, of course you won't tell us they are cherries.
Tell me, if the cards aren't cherry picked and if they are in mass production, how come the cards won't be available for another month?

[cadaveca]

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

Default score?
Overclocked score at 856/1880???

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290690
It should be 14893 based on the sell sheets. but i find it weird that the sell sheets are 125% above 7800GTX for the X1800XT. my original thoughts were 12963 singlecard, but i have raised that score regardless of what you have said becasue of the sell sheets. :rolleyes:

I had $1400 set aside for 2 cards, but it doesn't look like this may be enough. :stick: Sheesh ATI...Sapphire can't be screwing you around that bad...like c'mon now. :stick:

[Ubermann]

"Shader model 3.0 DONE RIGHT" it says, what do they refer to then ?

[Cooper]

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

I hope this is also belongs to RV515 chips. Those X1600XT 256 MB looks fantastic :slobber:

[Sampsa]

Hi guys, back from Ibiza. I'm tired as hell but it was worth it.

Please let me clarify few things:

So after Macci, Sampsa sold out to ATi?

ATI invited around 90 of European, Middle east and Russian press to Ibiza for briefings and benchmarking. I've been running the largest hardware and overclocking site in Finland called Muropaketti (http://www.muropaketti.com) now over six years and I deal with different manufacturers daily (including ATI and NVIDIA). One of our strength is that me and my friend Kamu have also been doing quite well in overclocking scene so while other editors were running normal benchmarks at Ibiza I got a chance to play some overclocking with macci (who was also invited to Ibiza but only for overclocking because he is not an editor. Just like he was invited to Toronto just before the Crossfire announcement).

NVIDIA provided me and some other overclockers 7800 GTX cards right before the launch and so far I've been able to push them with Kamu to 16742 (http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/g70/) in 3DMark05. Now ATI is bringing their next generation cards to market so I'm of course very interested to see how far I can push them.

Then the most important thing: so far (for me) there is no money involved to this (neither with NVIDIA).... samples yes (just like all other press and some overclockers in the world).

I'm more than happy to answer R520 related overclocking questions as soon as NDA lifts.

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)

:toast:

[Cooper]

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

What`s the price ? Brand new X1800XT with yours and Macci`s signs on it ? :D

[hipro5]

Way to go Sampsa........... :) :toast:

[L@TrO]

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)
:toast:

Let's hope you'll use a lot of screens in that review :)

[Jort]

Hi guys, back from Ibiza. I'm tired as hell but it was worth it.

Please let me clarify few things:



ATI invited around 90 of European, Middle east and Russian press to Ibiza for briefings and benchmarking. I've been running the largest hardware and overclocking site in Finland called Muropaketti (http://www.muropaketti.com) now over six years and I deal with different manufacturers daily (including ATI and NVIDIA). One of our strength is that me and my friend Kamu have also been doing quite well in overclocking scene so while other editors were running normal benchmarks at Ibiza I got a chance to play some overclocking with macci (who was also invited to Ibiza but only for overclocking because he is not an editor. Just like he was invited to Toronto just before the Crossfire announcement).

NVIDIA provided me and some other overclockers 7800 GTX cards right before the launch and so far I've been able to push them with Kamu to 16742 (http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/g70/) in 3DMark05. Now ATI is bringing their next generation cards to market so I'm of course very interested to see how far I can push them.

Then the most important thing: so far (for me) there is no money involved to this (neither with NVIDIA).... samples yes (just like all other press and some overclockers in the world).

I'm more than happy to answer R520 related overclocking questions as soon as NDA lifts.

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)

:toast:

tnx sampsa, haldol please don't do this.
if grayskull saids its not cherry except it.

i hate this sherry f****argues.

w'll just wait for our own oc results :toast:

[Sampsa]

tnx sampsa, haldol please don't do this.
if grayskull saids its not cherry except it.

i hate this sherry f****argues.

w'll just wait for our own oc results :toast:

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry picked ones.

[LardArse]

Awwww man Sampsa... NDA...?? you know there's no such thing among us overclockers right?? :D
My PM box has lots of space ;)

[DCR]

3dmark03 is more cpu dependent than 05, and 01 even more so... world of diff between fx + x1800 and a pressy + x1800.

What i want to know is what 900/1900 looks like in 3dmark01 :p:

Perkam

I thought that '03 was the most GPU dependent of the three?

[JuanFlaiter]

Of course they are cherries, and all those ATi engineers are only just there to give them coffee, not helping them to do mods and so? You`re a PR dude, of course you won't tell us they are cherries.
Tell me, if the cards aren't cherry picked and if they are in mass production, how come the cards won't be available for another month?

Almost all companies send cherry picks for reviewing purposes. It's not about cheating, it's just forcing reviewers to be luckier than normal people :p:

I have a 7800GT E.S and a pair of 7800GTX E.S and both of them can clock really high, in fact the GT can get to 500mhz on stock cooling. In some cases it's quite extreme, Kingston sends their products with a evaluation sticker, and Corsair's evaluation modules have a special code.

It's not cheating, it's just bussiness.

[Jort]

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry pickedones.


The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.


grayskull what is this? care to explain
:confused:

i understand its normal but if a ati rep guy saids not cherry and sampsa saids cherry wth is this. :slapass:

[Vapor]

Maybe they had one, realized there were better ones and then used those? ;)

[Grayskull]

Not true...

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry picked ones.

[Jort]

K this is word against word, w'll see this at the rusults from regular oc'ers

[Grayskull]

Cherry picking to me means that someone rounds up a bunch of the highest speed bin parts, runs them to the limit and then selects the best one to use. This did not happen for sure. Unless someone has a different meaning for cherry picking, then the cards were not cherry picked.

The fact that I was able to take a random card and get higher clocks with much less temperature only proves this.

If Macci + Sampsa did have a cherry picked card and ran it with LN2 they should be getting unmatchable overclocks...which they obviously aren't. :)

Almost all companies send cherry picks for reviewing purposes. It's not about cheating, it's just forcing reviewers to be luckier than normal people :p:

I have a 7800GT E.S and a pair of 7800GTX E.S and both of them can clock really high, in fact the GT can get to 500mhz on stock cooling. In some cases it's quite extreme, Kingston sends their products with a evaluation sticker, and Corsair's evaluation modules have a special code.

It's not cheating, it's just bussiness.

[GoriLLakoS]

the cards where random......no Cherry picked ones at ibiza......they will be overclocked more and more with a better cooling system....

[Jort]

Thanks

[alexio]

The fact that I was able to take a random card and get higher clocks with much less temperature only proves this.


So it's true because you say so?

I'm not here to offend you. Once the cards are for sale we will know if you are telling the truth. And I think I trust you because you would be damn stupid if you are lying about this.....

But I don't know why Sampsa would be lying.

[Stuperman]

the cards where random......no Cherry picked ones at ibiza......they will be overclocked more and more with a better cooling system....

What's better than LN2?

[cadaveca]

Hey guys..my first 7800GTX clocked better at stock than most reviewer's cards, so even cherry-picking for reviewers does not happen. i mean really..they'd have to test every card...
average overclocks for me have always been around 10% for cards..MSI kinda made this as a rule with thier cards, and lots of companies seem to follow suit.

I bought a few x850xtpe cards, and each clocked better or the same as what reviewer's posted on sites for the same cards, so regardless of some little "handpicking", there is no real thing as cherry-picked. Quite frankly, i'm sure that ANY card is about the same for overclocking, had the solder joints and placement of SMD's everywhere been all the same.

You can be sure that Macci got a handpicked card...but i don't think it would be a "top-clocker" in the sense most are thinking...i'm pretty sure the design team for the card got those.


Sampsa, although no money exchanged hands, getting your hands on hardware before release, nevermind for free, is worth far more than anyone can pay me. Any true overclocker would say the same, and you know it. Money is not the point...it's the favortism afforded by such luxuries.

I am probably one of the biggest ATI fanboys there is, but yet, i have 2 nVidia cards in my system becaseu they are the fastest thing i can buy, because i'm an overclocker first....meanwhile you got faster for free. No matter how hard you try, you cannot downplay ANY of that to ANY of US. I love seeing your results, as i do Macci's, but as it has already been said, because you don't pay...we don't care if you play. At least i don't.

Don't take that the wrong way tho, because i'd LOVE to be in your shoes. It's actually good to see your hard work pay off for you, and more importantly, ATI recognizing it. :toast:

[GoriLLakoS]

What's better than LN2?

Liquid Helium....:p...but i didnt mean this...

By Gray Skull ayt page 6 of this thread....

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

[metro.cl]

mates i believe sampsa, would be really stupid if ati didn't pick the best cards for the launch is something logical.

Waiting for results...

whats better than ln2 y believe is helium but is way to expensive and complicated to use (i believe helium is down at 250-260ºC ln2 is about 175ºC)

[GoriLLakoS]

mates i believe sampsa, would be really stupid if ati didn't pick the best cards for the launch is something logical.

Waiting for results...

whats better than ln2 y believe is helium but is way to expensive and complicated to use (i believe helium is down at 250-260ºC ln2 is about 175ºC)
you can't say sampsa stupid cause of the cards.... :nono:

i believe exactly the different...

if ati had cherry picked cards there....then,all the o/c people will be disapointed......so...the cards where random...and believe me.....there will be much more better scores... :cool:

Bill

[cadaveca]

mates i believe sampsa, would be really stupid if ati didn't pick the best cards for the launch is something logical.


Sure they picked outta the cards they had onhand for each person, maybe, but because sapphire makes the cards, not ATI, there CAN'T be "cherry-picking" as is suggested...becasue ATI does not have that chance. Only Sapphire does... :fact:

[DCR]

WHO CARES?

The retail cards are going to perform roughly the same, so...

[Pekkie]

You guys are *EDIT*, do you believe those charts???
They have no proof of the real score yet.
I don't understand why you are so trusting the fake details.

One way I'll believe that if any body crop the screen that shows 3Dmark 0X information, show the card series, show the real score.

Just telling that R520 is faster than 7800GTX, just post it's core and memory, but why can't the person who test this card show the real socre????

Why they have to put ???? instead of the score.

If anybody believe them, you are *EDIT*

EDITed by IFMU
Consider this a warning, what you posted was a flame, do not do it again.

IFMU

[Stuperman]

You guys are *EDIT*, do you believe those charts???
They have no proof of the real score yet.
I don't understand why you are so trusting the fake details.

One way I'll believe that if any body crop the screen that shows 3Dmark 0X information, show the card series, show the real score.

Just telling that R520 is faster than 7800GTX, just post it's core and memory, but why can't the person who test this card show the real socre????

Why they have to put ???? instead of the score.

If anybody believe them, you are *EDIT*

Didi someone from ATI run over your dog or something?

[GAR]

Didi someone from ATI run over your dog or something?

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :p:

[trakslacker]

Didi someone from ATI run over your dog or something?


lol, but agreed. pekkie, you seem a but stressed out, man. Have a beer or two, and just relax. :cool:

[Arkangyl]

Cherry picking to me means that someone rounds up a bunch of the highest speed bin parts, runs them to the limit and then selects the best one to use. This did not happen for sure. Unless someone has a different meaning for cherry picking, then the cards were not cherry picked.

The fact that I was able to take a random card and get higher clocks with much less temperature only proves this.

If Macci + Sampsa did have a cherry picked card and ran it with LN2 they should be getting unmatchable overclocks...which they obviously aren't. :)

How can you cherry pick cards if there are only a handful made?

or is ATI actually planning to launch a product instead of a concept this time?

[speed bump]

I guess we find out soon if these are for us or for the reviewers only.

[perkam]

A. We'll find out when they come out.

B. Neither Sampsa nor Grayskull are lying, and pls refrain from making any distasteful remarks towards either of them. They just have different definitions of what "cherry-picked" means.

C. Pekkie, YGPM.

-- Ty, pls continue :) --

[metro.cl]

you can't say sampsa stupid cause of the cards.... :nono:

i believe exactly the different...

if ati had cherry picked cards there....then,all the o/c people will be disapointed......so...the cards where random...and believe me.....there will be much more better scores... :cool:

Bill


i didnt say anything to sampsa i said it to ati.

[Magnj]

I'm sure the cards were the best clockers they had on hand but I doubt that they went through every freakin card and gave them the absolute best, they didnt give them duds but they were not out of the ordinary. Thats my guess. Not like it matters anyway

[JuanFlaiter]

Didi someone from ATI run over your dog or something?

WuAHaHAhAAhahaHaHa roflmao

Dave Orton was, I saw him :stick:

[Sentential]

Just for clarifiaction there Greyskull, but you are suggesting that no cards were done on either:

Stock
High End Air
Water Cooling

Right?

I understand that this is a benching event and that mostly LN2 / Cascades will be used but frankly I am more interested in standard air or water based clocks.

Reason I ask is because I do plan on perhaps buying either an XL or a PRO but my motivation is going to be a cross between yeilds and leakage. There is no question that you guys have a sure-fire winner here that nVidia will probably not be able to counter.

Im just looking for the next $250-350 clock-cut-down (not pipes) Vcard to replace my X800PRO with :) (ie a Ti4200, 9800NP or 6800GT of the era). A card that will not match in ram speed but will in core speed to what an XT is capable of :)

[Weee]

/me gets his Wallet out...

[Grayskull]

Air cooling has definitely been tried...results are impressive.

Just for clarifiaction there Greyskull, but you are suggesting that no cards were done on either:

Stock
High End Air
Water Cooling

Right?

I understand that this is a benching event and that mostly LN2 / Cascades will be used but frankly I am more interested in standard air or water based clocks.

Reason I ask is because I do plan on perhaps buying either an XL or a PRO but my motivation is going to be a cross between yeilds and leakage. There is no question that you guys have a sure-fire winner here that nVidia will probably not be able to counter.

Im just looking for the next $250-350 clock-cut-down (not pipes) Vcard to replace my X800PRO with :) (ie a Ti4200, 9800NP or 6800GT of the era). A card that will not match in ram speed but will in core speed to what an XT is capable of :)

[trakslacker]

Air cooling has definitely been tried...results are impressive.

And the saga continues...1 day, 9 hours, 21 minutes.

Such a tease, Grayskull. :p:

[zakelwe]

Although not cherry picked you can be sure for a fact there would be no duffers amongst them bescause you have to at least make sure they have some headroom so that when Joe Bloggs hardware reviewer tests them at stock they do not go pop and give a bad impression.

Lets call it filtering/testing rather than cherry picking, that's probably more accurate.

The most impressive thing about these new cards is the IQ it seems, sadly of course we'll have to throw that sort of heresy out the window and get rid of all Ati's good work in that regard :D

Regards

Andy

[T_M]

I'm sure the cards were the best clockers they had on hand but I doubt that they went through every freakin card and gave them the absolute best

Thats what i meant by cherry in my off-hand comment

[HaLDoL]

Not true...
Hmm who should I believe? Sampsa or ATi PR? Are you gonna leak emails now to prove you're right?


Since this is the ATI PR forum I would like a PR comment on this:
http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2005/10/reward-if-found-ati-crossfire.html
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=171
http://hardocp.com/ (H]ardNews 13th Edition Monday October 03, 2005 Posted by Kyle 6:19 PM (CDT))

[Tim]

How can they Cherry pic cards if they only have like 10 working samples?! :poke: :rofl: :rotf: :wasntme:

We might have to wait till November/December to get them enmass (well sort of) so yea, although I'm excited....this all is a Fiasco for ATI...(again, just like Crossfire)

[Vapor]

Well aren't you the comedian :rolleyes:

Got proof/evidence of anything you've said?

[Tim]

Hi there

The X1800 XT is gonna be seriously limited stock wise though probably until December unfortunately. There will be no X1800 XT's on launch day and probably not until end of this month, so now were gonna have to do with X1800 XL's which are in allocation but OcUK are getting frequent deliveries to cope with demand.

I believe on launch day there will be 10 units worldwide which will go out to the press and none will go to Etailors......

Expect small numbers to come through to the UK end of this month or early November and no doubt OcUK will have exclusive as we take priority in the UK and if stock is seriously limited then yes the price will be very high, but don't blame OcUK, blame ATI as OcUK is a business and were here to make money and obviously if something is rare and not available easily then more money has to be made. Its just like say a Ferrari Enzo you pay to have something that most can't afford....

P.S. Its looking doubtful that X1800 XL will be available on day of launch as well, keeping fingers crossed for end of this week at the moment.

On Wednesday we shall place cards on pre-order from Connect3D, HIS, PowerColor and Sapphire. We hope to recieve HIS and Sapphire X1800 XL 256MB stock this week and pricing is still yet to be confirmed.....

If we do recieve any X1800 XT's this month then it will probably be less than 50 units, we will no doubt be the only Etailor with stock and the price will be high until allocation problems go away.


It look like Overclockers UK and other etailers will have no stocks of X1300, X1600 and X1800 cards by 5th October so they will be only available to pre-order, ATI probably will shipping as few as 20 X1800XTs to OEM worldwide on Wednesday. When Overclockers and other etailers will have stocks of X1800XTs, they will charge it at high prices of £580/$1017 for the next 3 months.

Enough "proof" for you or shall I continue? That is what makes R520 vaporware and even if it's gonna be fast, it's hilarious how ATI still can do this stuff...

Edit: Ow, btw...did you see that lovely EU pricetag? £580/$1017 for the next 3 months.

[Vapor]

If Gibbo's saying then there's at least a bit of truth in it....I don't trust a single thing from AXP1800, even about nV cards.

And I would like more proof, please....one etailer from the UK (sorry, but if Europe doesn't get any, I don't give a :banana::banana::banana::banana: ) isn't particularly sufficient as what's been understood so far is that the reviewers in Ibiza (all 90 of them or something) got to take home an X1800XT (or something like that).

Frankly, I'm only curious because I want to know when I should start packing up my 7800GTX so I can sell it at a decent price :stick:

[LittleDevil]

Does anyone have some new pictures?

tnx

[Vapor]

28 more hours dude....

[Tim]

(sorry, but if Europe doesn't get any, I don't give a )

I think I have proven the point here....let's keep the topic on track.....

[Harshal]

Yup, I think NVIDIA did raise the bar too much High with full availability from day one. Hope ATI manages atleast half of it. Also prices better be in line with features and performances. Paying loads of money just to get 860/1900 and not real world performance in games means Foolish/Stupid and not Xtreme. Also Xtreme benching may be different from what many of us do at home. But then we all are humans and have our weakness :) to get better/fast things.

[ArcTan]

under 12 hours to go but dammit I have an exam and assignment to hand in

[mrlobber]

under 12 hours to go but dammit I have an exam and assignment to hand in

It's your time there while ATIs internal clock (not that one on the website) probably counts U.S. time or even that of Ibiza ;)

[Ugly n Grey]

Wow Troman, you must be psychic, I didn't know an ultra could beat the 1800xt.... in fact I don't even know for sure what the scores are on an xt. But you also seem to know what the scores are on a card that was cacelled will be. Can you fill us in? "Throw me a frikkin bone here"

[perkam]

The Ultra was rumored to be the 32 pipe 90nm big brother of the gtx...but seeing that the R580 (ATI's 32 pipe card) wouldnt make it to stores before spring/summer 2k5 (ATI Shareholder meeting), nvidia decided to cancel it...at least afaik.

At any rate, none of the big companies are ready to release an update to their high end line without an update to their low and mid end. Remember, ATI might be behind in the high end market, but its (hopefully) bringing the nex gen low and mid end before nvidia.

I hope they fix up the RV530 too, cos for $200, i can already get a GTO which can do ~4500 in 05, so a jump to 5100 isnt a big one.

Perkam

[Ugly n Grey]

Agreed Perkam, I was thinking the same thing, unless there is something I definitely need in the x1K line up that GTO2 is looking like the deal of the century

[Ugly n Grey]

No actually Troman, I asked YOU what the scores are on all these cards, since you stated as a fact that the mythical Ultra (yeah the one that was never made) will beat an X1800XT (that's the card not released till tomorrow with no certifiable benches yet), I figured you must know what these scores are?

[Ugly n Grey]

Your post was in a public place, if your desire was to keep it private I'm sure you could have used PM.

So what's the answer Troman? Do you have this data?

[dinos22]

any chance on revisiting my Question GrayskullGrayskull can you comment on this quote
I dont know, I just try to say that The Stilt has tested an ATI Crossfire reference mobo..

If I dont remember very wrong, The Stilt tested an CPU with cold bug and it did'nt OC at all with, hmm, cascade? CO2? LN2?
Then he tested this ATI CF mobo and same thing, hard cold bug, but in BIOS he found "adjustable drive strenght resistor's" (I dont know if it writes/translates like that) and CPU OC like hell after that "found"
No cold bug :)

That's why I asked if someone know if DFI's crossfire mobo has these adjustable resisance's optios in BIOS, if they have so I think cold bug is history :fact:

[Lestat HWL]

You have been warned. You have disrespected XS staff, and a company support rep., which is against forum rules. If this happens again, I will ask that you are banned.

Consider yourself warned.

No actually

mu post says

@Grayskull

you can read ,do you? :slap: :slap:

[dinos22]

so ban me ,you think i care when i'm in tight in my shoes?

should i post his pm's?ban/// :lol: :lol:

[Lestat HWL]

Ugly n Grey has shown me the PM's, that I do not need to see. What do you mean, tight in your shoes? You have shown little regard of respect to the moderators and the support reps of this forum. I have requested that you be removed from these forums.

[Ugly n Grey]

Troman,

You seem to believe it's OK to ride a company rep for information he really can't give us, you can't seem to take a hint and back off. Flaming me is pointless, I don't mind being flamed, I will keep coming back to the point at hand. You make some pretty wild statements and postulation yet think we should all spend eternity debating them as if they were real. I am asking you for the data that makes you think there is ANYTHING TO KEEP IN MIND and anything to speculate over....

Your behaviour is not acceptable BTW, your consistant disregard for decent behaviour when approaching a support rep is unbecoming of a gentleman and a member of the overclocking community. I am referencing this thread and others.

UnG

[Lestat HWL]

Troman, Mark is a respected member of staff here at XtremeSystems. He has given us no reason to doubt him, and as such, we will accept what our staff members tell us as truth.

You have disrespected Mark several times, and it won't happen again.

[hipro5]

Guys.......WHY don't we play with our chicks or our VGA's or our computers or a game instead of playing with words?........NOONE is going to win anything out of this....only ATI and NVIDIA...... ;) :)

[wfarid]

I just went back to 60hz for approximately 1 minute (i have a good old CRT) and I wanted to gouge my eyes out. It is really bad, at least for me. I really really hope ATI fixes this problem with the r520...

but here's my prediction for the r520 launch : I think they are going to do what Nvidea did and just have everything available--x1800s and the crossfire motherboards @ launch... But we'll just have to wait and see...

[Lestat HWL]

You guys take this mess to seriously.
I buy the cards the "DAY" I see them show up in the USA regardless of price and have done so from the g4ti4600 to the 7800gtx, but Im not laughing or crying about there ETA as I know as should anyone here by now that they come when they come.

If this is all whitepaper stuff, let it be, it doesn't hurt you or me just the company behind it.

X800xt pe was months behind the whitepage notes, but it finally arived and arived well at that.

The more ATI delays Im sure the better the final retial product will be. Thats good for all of us in the end. :)

I totally agree Jason. You make a good point my friend. :toast:

[Lestat HWL]

yes and i why is that?i just give you the answer.. :)
action -->reaction...

"we will accept what our staff members tell us as truth."
that's bs and you know it,now you are telling me that even he flamed the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of someone,when he says no it's no? :slap:

I know what to do now,i will ignore his post aimed at me that i don't like..
(when they contain bs ofcourse,truth that's an other story)

He hasn't flamed you in this thread, you have been disrespecting Grayskull and Ugly n Gray throughout this thread, and enough is enough. This isn't the only incident with you.

So, you choose to persist flaming him, saying that he is telling a lie. As I said earlier, a request has been put in for your ban.

[shadowing]

You guys take this mess to seriously.
I buy the cards the "DAY" I see them show up in the USA regardless of price and have done so from the g4ti4600 to the 7800gtx, but Im not laughing or crying about there ETA as I know as should anyone here by now that they come when they come.

If this is all whitepaper stuff, let it be, it doesn't hurt you or me just the company behind it.

X800xt pe was months behind the whitepage notes, but it finally arived and arived well at that.

The more ATI delays Im sure the better the final retial product will be. Thats good for all of us in the end. :)

I agree man. Too bad I don't have the funds to even buy it. :p: For now, I think my 7800GTX is enough... If the X1800 is better than it, then let it be.. I can oc mine to that same score. ;)

[hipro5]

.......and the crossfire motherboards @ launch... But we'll just have to wait and see...

As for the mobos, they are just "sitting" in the basements of the shops - at least here in Greece - for about 2 weeks ready to hit the market with a sign....If I'm not wrong, the DFI ones.... ;)

Bill can you second that?..... :)

[V I P E R]

I agree man. Too bad I don't have the funds to even buy it. :p: For now, I think my 7800GTX is enough... If the X1800 is better than it, then let it be.. I can oc mine to that same score. ;)
But if you overclock x1800 what will happen :).
There are other things in x1800 that can make people sell their 7800GTX :).

[Ugly n Grey]

I don't even play games, but this hype over the IQ is getting to me in the worst way. If there's anything I want it's a clear, sharp image. I am trying to nail one of these cards as soon as it hits the streets. Try it, play with it, if it sucks visually to me, out it goes on Ebay.

Hopefully, the gentlemen at the expo put up some serious WR numbers that will be hard to break for a few days anyhow, be nice to have something to shoot for.

Tick Tick Tick...........no that's not the bomb I put in Markham, I put that bomb at Perkams house and he defused it and used the parts to upgrade his PC....that's the timer on ATI's web site counting down

[Comp-Freak]

Just 17 hours as far as I can see. Don't see the point getting upset about al of these things being said. Wait and see, nothing more you can do. (Btw, I do love the good discussions here) Would be great if tomorrow CF-mobo's and r520 cards are fully available :) Can't wait ;)

[babyelf]

it's 8 hours and 30min here ;) yay

[ArcTan]

it's 8 hours and 30min here ;) yayyep maybe it's on standard greenwich time or whatever

nice to see you're still around even after that fiasco :slapass:

[Kinc]

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

Really glad to hear that there is now coldbug :toast: :woot:

[Dynasty]

I am just glad the X1800 series cards are on the horizon.
I could careless on all the delays, aslong as the final product delivers the goods. :cool:

Question: Now is the DFI LP RD-480 now the RDX-200 CF-DR ??
Or are these two different type boards.

[Jort]

As for the mobos, they are just "sitting" in the basements of the shops - at least here in Greece - for about 2 weeks ready to hit the market with a sign....If I'm not wrong, the DFI ones.... ;)

Bill can you second that?..... :)


ohhhh hipro so it means i get the dfi this week :slobber:

if shippings starts wednesday :woot:

[Grayskull]

The DFI motherboards (both of them) have this option. They will be subzero cooling friendly.

any chance on revisiting my Question Grayskull

[Jort]

:party:

[Ugly n Grey]

I'm driving over to the ATI parking lot right now and fixing a "boot" onto the VP Sales car wheels until I get a card.

[LowRun]

As for the mobos, they are just "sitting" in the basements of the shops - at least here in Greece - for about 2 weeks ready to hit the market with a sign....If I'm not wrong, the DFI ones.... ;)

Bill can you second that?..... :)

Why don't they sell them already? What kind of sign are they waiting for? I just can't see the logic there.

[Jort]

Nda ;)

[DCR]

I see the mood has calmed a bit in here today ;)

I have 22 hours to go...at least, that is what ATI.com tells me.

[ettis]

Is it Wendsday yet? :/

[Vapor]

Not where it counts....certainly in some places it is though.

9AM EST is what word has it.

[LowRun]

Nda ;)

It's been officialy launched ages ago, so no NDA there.

[cadaveca]

Too much old stock, methinks.

[hipro5]

Why don't they sell them already? What kind of sign are they waiting for? I just can't see the logic there.

To tell you the truth, neither do I.... :confused:

[Dynasty]

Grayskull or anyone who can answer:

What time frame can we expect after tomorrows launch of e-tailers to receive supply ??

This is N.A, I am referring too not Europe or Asia market.

[b0bd0le]

i wonder how this is going to effect the $200~$300 price range

well the x800GTO2 still be the best option for us "adventurous" people?

[Vapor]

IMO, yes.

[Stuperman]

Guys.......WHY don't we play with our chicks or our VGA's or our computers or a game instead of playing with words?........NOONE is going to win anything out of this....only ATI and NVIDIA...... ;) :)

Amen to that.

Any chance of Greyskull confirming that the official count down is based in eastern time (the time at ATI's HQ)?

[mrlobber]

The DFI motherboards (both of them) have this option. They will be subzero cooling friendly.

YES! :banana: :devil: :hump:

[metro.cl]

so cold bug wasnt amd fault?

[Ubermann]

How does that option work ?