X1800 XL Benchmark at HKEPC

[aMp]

Link. (http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=477628)

7016 (3DMark2005) puts it in the ballpark with a 7800GT, maybe a little behind. Babelfish translation points out that according to ATI driver optimizations will increase performance at launch by 5-15 percent, meaning ~7300-8000 3DMarks.

-aMp-

[perkam]

7k stock is certainly not bad...but it will need to be around $399 to $349 at launch for it to sell...I'm just hoping these oc well enough to reach ~8k on air for 24/7 use.

Does this mean:

X1800 XT 16 x00MHz x00MHz 512MB GDDR3 $599 - 8k n 05
X1800 XL 16 550MHz 625MHz 512MB GDDR3 $499 - 7k in 05
X1800 Pro 16 500MHz 500MHz 256MB GDDR3 $449 - 6.5k in 05
X1800 LE 12 450MHz 450MHZ 256MB GDDR3 $349 - 6k in 05

:confused: ??? wtf...I was hoping 8.5k for the XT, 7.5k for the XL, 7k for the Pro and 6.5k for the LE...considering its nex gen hardware :(

Perkam

[b0bd0le]

hmm 7015 vs 7307...

damn, i was hoping competition would be closer :(

would i be jumping to conclusions to say that the 7800GT is the best card to get(price/performance ratio)?

with rebates a 7800GT is $329... that is a KILLER price.

the XL will have 16 pipes just like the XT will right? This doesn't bode well for the r520 series...

my prediction: only a few dies will qualify for XT speeds, thus meaning low quanity of the XTs and high price of the XT's. I think this will illuminate how severe the manufacturing issues were. The higher the price, the worse it was back in May.

i bet the XL's will be $400, if they're more ATI must have some issues at the plant.

Ati must be in a tough spot... If the r520XT is slower than an 7800GTX, who would buy one? Why sell it? But they've also put so much capital into it already...

i don't think the r520 will be faster than the 7800GTX


X1800XL fillrate 16 x 550mhz = 8800
7800GT fillrate 20 x 400mhz = 8000

yet the GT wins in 3dmark05 with 300 points...

X1800XT fillrate 16 x 600mhz = 9600
7800GTX fillrate 24 x 430mhz = 10320

it really doesn't look good for the XT...

at least it comes with 512MB of ram though...

i bet the r520XT won't even break 8k

[Victorshen]

pity it doesnt mention the core ram freq....

coz according to my source, ati has sacrifice the TDP for yield already

wonder how far this baby will clock

[Scroatdog]

Link. (http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=477628)

7016 (3DMark2005) puts it in the ballpark with a 7800GT, maybe a little behind. -aMp-



More like a fizzle than a bang, eh? :cord:

Would have expected it to at least be on PAR with a GTX, not a GT.

Again, we all know this is non-official stuff so, we'll see. But I still have a feeling that ATI's new offering will equate to nothing more than a minor speedbump, and a speedbump in nVidia's parking lot at that !! :slapass:

(I am NOT an nVidia fAnBoY. Check my sig)

[cupra]

that ati card are long one like the 7800.
amm that is very disappointment form ati...

[Karma]

You guys are missing something: the 7800GT benched is overclocked. A 7800GT at 450/1050 gets around 7,200 in 3DMark05:

Extremetech: XFX GeForce 7800 GT at 450/1050 (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1848575,00.asp)

At default speeds (400/500) the 7800GT gets around 6,600 in 3DMark'05:

X-Bit Labs: NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT at 400/500 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce7800-gt_26.html)

If the X1800XL benches are true, with it scoring ~7,000 at stock speeds, then it fares very well against the GT.

Also, if any of you can read Chinese, you'll notice the reviewer stating

ATi disclosed the official edition as 5%-15% increased potency compared to this edition

Whether this is due to a driver release in conjunction with the R5xx / CF release, or a newer board revision, he doesn't say.

[perkam]

I just hope they release numbers for this card...that they've already tested ;)

http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/r520firstlook/testing.jpg

Perkam

[althes]

so when does opp get his hands on them

[Vincentvega18]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26378
According to this the xt will be 625mhz/1500mhz.
Where has opp been, havent seen him for ages.

[cupra]

You guys are missing something: the 7800GT benched is overclocked. A 7800GT at 450/1050 gets around 7,200 in 3DMark05:

Extremetech: XFX GeForce 7800 GT at 450/1050 (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1848575,00.asp)

At default speeds (400/500) the 7800GT gets around 6,600 in 3DMark'05:

X-Bit Labs: NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT at 400/500 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce7800-gt_26.html)

If the X1800XL benches are true, with it scoring ~7,000 at stock speeds, then it fares very well against the GT.

Also, if any of you can read Chinese, you'll notice the reviewer stating



Whether this is due to a driver release in conjunction with the R5xx / CF release, or a newer board revision, he doesn't say.

no we dont. we jest canot read japanese :D
and its good to know that the gt was oc. so thx for that info.

[AfterClock]

hmm 7015 vs 7307...

damn, i was hoping competition would be closer :(

would i be jumping to conclusions to say that the 7800GT is the best card to get(price/performance ratio)?

with rebates a 7800GT is $329... that is a KILLER price.

the XL will have 16 pipes just like the XT will right? This doesn't bode well for the r520 series...

my prediction: only a few dies will qualify for XT speeds, thus meaning low quanity of the XTs and high price of the XT's. I think this will illuminate how severe the manufacturing issues were. The higher the price, the worse it was back in May.

i bet the XL's will be $400, if they're more ATI must have some issues at the plant.

Ati must be in a tough spot... If the r520XT is slower than an 7800GTX, who would buy one? Why sell it? But they've also put so much capital into it already...

i don't think the r520 will be faster than the 7800GTX


X1800XL fillrate 16 x 550mhz = 8800
7800GT fillrate 20 x 400mhz = 8000

yet the GT wins in 3dmark05 with 300 points...

X1800XT fillrate 16 x 600mhz = 9600
7800GTX fillrate 24 x 430mhz = 10320

it really doesn't look good for the XT...

at least it comes with 512MB of ram though...

i bet the r520XT won't even break 8k


Maybe you're paying too much attention to 3D Mark03/05 ???

[metro.cl]

nice :) ,aybe nda will end up earlier

[LowRun]

(I am NOT an nVidia fAnBoY. Check my sig)

You don't have one.

[metro.cl]

You guys are missing something: the 7800GT benched is overclocked. A 7800GT at 450/1050 gets around 7,200 in 3DMark05:

Extremetech: XFX GeForce 7800 GT at 450/1050 (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1848575,00.asp)

At default speeds (400/500) the 7800GT gets around 6,600 in 3DMark'05:

X-Bit Labs: NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT at 400/500 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce7800-gt_26.html)

If the X1800XL benches are true, with it scoring ~7,000 at stock speeds, then it fares very well against the GT.

Also, if any of you can read Chinese, you'll notice the reviewer stating



Whether this is due to a driver release in conjunction with the R5xx / CF release, or a newer board revision, he doesn't say.

mate the x-bit labs rig was diferent

* AMD Athlon 64 4000+ CPU (2.40GHz, 1MB L2);
* ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe mainboard (NVIDIA nForce4 SLI);
* OCZ PC-3200 Platinum EB DDR SDRAM (2x512МБ, CL2.5 3-2-8);
* Samsung SpinPoint SP1213C HDD (Serial ATA-150, 8MB buffer);
* Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 sound card;
* Cooler Master Real Power 450 PSU (RS-450-ACLY, nominal power: 450W);
* Dell P1130/Dell P1110 monitors (21”, maximum resolution: 1800х1440х75Hz)
* Microsoft Windows XP Pro SP2, DirectX 9.0c.

[Ugly n Grey]

I don't think it matters much in 05 about the different rigs, not enough to make up 500 marks in 05 in any case....

I'm still more curious about the final price of these things...

[metro.cl]

I don't think it matters much in 05 about the different rigs, not enough to make up 500 marks in 05 in any case....

I'm still more curious about the final price of these things...


drivers were also diferent, i think 500 point could be in reach, 200mhz cpu, latencies and drivers could do it.

p.d. i stil can't find where it says its a xfx card :confused:

[DilTech]

Where at HKPEC did it say the 7800gt was overclocked? That was running stock!

Also, ugly, 3dmark05 IS rather cpu dependant as well as gpu, tests 2 and 3 are definitely.

If this is the XL, then I don't know how the XT is going to catch the GTX.

There's been a few driver updates since the GT released, all of them increasing it's score. I'd imagine by now they've easily gotten past 500 points on an increase.

As for the fillrates, there's a reason NVidia does better in 05, their second shader pipe... Same as the extra vertex shaders gave ATi here last gen, the 2 more on the x1800 just can't keep up with an extra shader pipe on the 7800.

[speed bump]

05 is pretty CPU depedent at over 10k Shamino had a graph a while back were he gained more by upping CPU speed than he was gaining from overclocking his 7800gtx cards in 05.

[BobyTT]

I dont realy believe that this is X1800 i mean , i dont SEEE ANYWHERE that IS X1800 , there is no ATITOOL , even im 3D05 they BLURed the card... so i cant say that THIS IS x1800 . for me this is not!

[Ugly n Grey]

Yeah I understand things get CPU dependant after a while, I just didn't think it made much diff at these clocks....(on 05)

And as people have stated.... we know nothing yet.. it's another unnoficial review.... countdown is on though so we won't have long to wait.... :) :toast:

The only thing I'm the least bit concerned about with the final release is that they over optimize the drivers to make a big difference.... that would really suck if IQ suffered... In any case they are hard pressed to match the price/bang for the buck value of a 7800GT.... Nvidia may even drop the price just to put the squeeze on ATI when the R520 is finally released.

ATI is vulnerable from a business stand point, they can't take much of a price war right now. They're nowhere near bankrupt but a couple more quarters of below average earnings might result in some senior folks being canned .....

God Bless Competition :)

[DilTech]

I dont realy believe that this is X1800 i mean , i dont SEEE ANYWHERE that IS X1800 , there is no ATITOOL , even im 3D05 they BLURed the card... so i cant say that THIS IS x1800 . for me this is not!


Eh, what about the picture of the x1800xl hooked up, running, connected to the monitor, and running 3dmark05? Isn't that enough proof that they are infact running an x1800xl?.. No other ATi card is THAT long, and that's definitely the x1800xl heatsink on the card.
:slap:

[BobyTT]

Dude , let's say that i dont believe to anything RELATED with internet withaout something more than FOR ME basic standarts... there is too many people outside trying to get some atention , producing FAKE results and fake benches so... for me this is not real. yea the card look longer than any ATI at this point but... WHY he blure the card in 3dmark? if the problem is NDA... LOL he already screw it up with posting this site. :toast:

[Vincentvega18]

I dont realy believe that this is X1800 i mean , i dont SEEE ANYWHERE that IS X1800 , there is no ATITOOL , even im 3D05 they BLURed the card... so i cant say that THIS IS x1800 . for me this is not!
I believe nda and ati would have a problem if they published something saying blatantly x1800xl is beaten by 7800gtx. :stick: especially as it hasnt been launched yet. :D
Anyway, everything that is hitting the headlines seems to be very negative towards ati..........itll be ashame if this is all right, especially if nvidia are hiding their hand (actual g70 as speculated).

[Stuperman]

<5% difference between the two products that are positioned just below the flagship. I'd say that this looks promising, a couple of board revisions, and driver releases, and those two cards will be a dozen points appart.

Vincentvega18: it's a X1800XL getting beaten by a 7800GT

[Pinnacle]

7016 ha? Interesting

[RaZz!]

At default speeds (400/500) the 7800GT gets around 6,600 in 3DMark'05

my 7800gt gets 6850 points on a sanny 4000+. in fact that the fx-55 is slighlty faster than my (not overclocked) 4000+ i think the 7800gt scores around 6900 points on a fx-55. the difference isnt that much, imo.
expected more performance from the r520... :/

[Pinnacle]

expected more performance from the r520... :/

So did I. Not reason to upgrade at all to the r520

[afireinside]

I'm not going to comment till some real benchers get it... Doesn't look good so far though :(

[Vapor]

I'm not going to comment on a card I don't care about :D

X1800XT is what I'm waiting for.

[Master_G]

This is dragging on for too long, and ever round makes me look forward to the release less and less tbh.
As always, i reservse judgement, but these numbers are noted and the anticipation level is adjusted accordingly.

G

[DilTech]

my 7800gt gets 6850 points on a sanny 4000+. in fact that the fx-55 is slighlty faster than my (not overclocked) 4000+ i think the 7800gt scores around 6900 points on a fx-55. the difference isnt that much, imo.
expected more performance from the r520... :/

200 mhz would be more than 50 points in 05 for the CPU. They're also running their memory at 2-2-2-5, which between cpu clockspeed and that could easily account for the difference. There's other factors too obviously that you must remember, but those two alone could make the difference.

Either way, this does fit right along with what Sanders results were, with it being slightly edged out by the 7800gt... Makes ya wonder, don't it?

[Frisch]

Why oh why do you believe this, can't you wait silly 7 days.

[AfterClock]

Why oh why do you believe this, can't you wait silly 7 days.

Frisch, this time these are real numbers.

{ part 2, wrong place }
And I still wonder what people were expecting...
the X850XTs CF beating the 7800GTX SLI ?

{ whatever, I decided to leave it here }

[jjcom]

X1800XL being about equal to the 7800GT...not bad. X1800XT would then probably be about equal with the 7800GTX. But we'll find out soon enough, just a little while longer. :)

[Arkangyl]

Am I the only one who sees the 7k score for the XL, looks at scores in the high 6000, low 700's with air-OC'ed X850XTPE's and wonders just what all has changed besides the clocks?

In theory if the pipes were more efficent wouldn't the score the substantially high at the same clocks rather than the same ballpark?

[Vapor]

I think there are more vertex shaders....LOL

[Pinnacle]

In theory if the pipes were more efficent wouldn't the score the substantially high at the same clocks rather than the same ballpark?


Ya, also what Ive been pondering myself. But it looks like another chip by ATI on Steroids. Just a 16 pipe card with very high clocks. We ve seen all this talk about the pipes being 1.33 times bigger, but I just dont see it being so.

We can only wait for the official realase. Cuz all these rumors suck ;)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Im the same wait for the release before speculation begins, who knows after a driver update the performance should be a bit closer imo..

[Grayskull]

Wow these threads are really amusing to read...speculation is running wild.

All I will tell you is that I don't trust any of these preview sites. The truth will be out soon enough.

[Vapor]

Does it score 7017 or something?! :D

[Poki]

The truth will be out soon enough.
I want to believe....

[Ugly n Grey]

Thanks Grayskull, I'll buy you a beer one day

[DilTech]

Eh gray, I bet at this point you're hating trying to run damage control...

Of course, HKPEC has leaked SEVERAL items during the NDA period, and has never lied about any of them yet. Infact, they even show a picture of the x1800xl in the mobo, attached to the monitor, RUNNING 3dmark05! I don't think we need any more proof than that, now do we?

Also grayskull, going by your comments, YOU don't even know what the x1800's can do, considering you said you don't trust these sites. I *would* think an ATi employee would *EASILY* know if someone was lying, but you seem to not be so sure judging by your comments... So did they not tell you anything or what?

[Ugly n Grey]

Don't be such a n00b DilTech, the guy works for ATI he can't go around spilling the beans and keep his job. Goading him (Grayskull) is just plain rude.

You are days away from launch. Eveyone will get factual reviews then, for better or for worse.

[Frisch]

Eh gray, I bet at this point you're hating trying to run damage control...

Of course, HKPEC has leaked SEVERAL items during the NDA period, and has never lied about any of them yet. Infact, they even show a picture of the x1800xl in the mobo, attached to the monitor, RUNNING 3dmark05! I don't think we need any more proof than that, now do we?

Also grayskull, going by your comments, YOU don't even know what the x1800's can do, considering you said you don't trust these sites. I *would* think an ATi employee would *EASILY* know if someone was lying, but you seem to not be so sure judging by your comments... So did they not tell you anything or what?

That is kinda like, well i tie you up, you can't say a word, and then i throw a lot of s... in your head.
It' reminds me of Monthy Python

[metro.cl]

in the review the guy also says the final x1800xl should be 5% to 15% faster, and thats not because of drivers he says that the final x1800xl has more power

[DilTech]

Don't be such a n00b DilTech, the guy works for ATI he can't go around spilling the beans and keep his job. Goading him (Grayskull) is just plain rude.

You are days away from launch. Eveyone will get factual reviews then, for better or for worse.


Ugly, you take my comments the wrong way man...

You see, when you say "I wouldn't trust these preview sites" that makes it seem like he himself doesn't know. Now, he could simply say it's BS, therefore not giving us any info but saying the benchmark score is fake.

Quick and simple, that's not goading him or telling him to spill the beans, nor is it being rude. I was simply pointing out that, going by his statement, they haven't told him anything. There's a few ATi employee's on other forums who haven't been told anything on the R520 at all, so it wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't told him.

Sorry if you misinterpeted what I said, unfortunately it seems to be a common happening on the internet these days.

[Ugly n Grey]

In that case I apologize DilTech but you gotta understand that saying anything yay or nay about the scores by an ATI employee would result in the statement being sent around the world as gospel in a day :) That also is a fact of life these days. Again, sorry if there was miscommunication,

[einCe]

i like pizza

[biohead]

i read an article saying there will be 32/24/16pp versions

"We expect R520 will have 16pp, 24pp and 32pp versions using 90nm micron process technology from TSMC."
http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/r520firstlook-e.htm

i like burgers with teh 13374BL3 ketchoop

[wickedld9]

Eh gray, I bet at this point you're hating trying to run damage control...

Of course, HKPEC has leaked SEVERAL items during the NDA period, and has never lied about any of them yet. Infact, they even show a picture of the x1800xl in the mobo, attached to the monitor, RUNNING 3dmark05! I don't think we need any more proof than that, now do we?

Also grayskull, going by your comments, YOU don't even know what the x1800's can do, considering you said you don't trust these sites. I *would* think an ATi employee would *EASILY* know if someone was lying, but you seem to not be so sure judging by your comments... So did they not tell you anything or what?

It would still be considered jumping to a conclusion. They posted pictures of the card sitting in the mobo running 3DM05 but posted screen caps of the actual score. Those screen caps could easily have come from an overclocked X8 series.
Until next week, it's all speculation and rumors.

[G H Z]

When you say "I wouldn't trust these preview sites" that makes it seem like he himself doesn't know. Now, he could simply say it's BS, therefore not giving us any info but saying the benchmark score is fake.

Quick and simple, that's not goading him or telling him to spill the beans, nor is it being rude. I was simply pointing out that, going by his statement, they haven't told him anything.

1st paragraph you are making an assumption, and a bad one at that. 2nd paragraph you are going from an assumption to a conclusion, ya that makes alot of sense :rolleyes:

I think the only thing you can safely conclude from his statement is that the numbers HKPC have are not accurate. We'll all know soon enough.

[7he]-[0rr0r]

I don't know why you get so much flak UnG you always seem to be pretty diplomatic from what i see maybe it's the avatar.

[-47-!]

32 pipeline version? Hmmmmm... I'd like to see that happen.

[Grayskull]

Surrounded by comedians eh? :D

Does it score 7017 or something?! :D

[Grayskull]

I guess you'll find out in 7 days 12 hours 42 minutes.

Eh gray, I bet at this point you're hating trying to run damage control...

Of course, HKPEC has leaked SEVERAL items during the NDA period, and has never lied about any of them yet. Infact, they even show a picture of the x1800xl in the mobo, attached to the monitor, RUNNING 3dmark05! I don't think we need any more proof than that, now do we?

Also grayskull, going by your comments, YOU don't even know what the x1800's can do, considering you said you don't trust these sites. I *would* think an ATi employee would *EASILY* know if someone was lying, but you seem to not be so sure judging by your comments... So did they not tell you anything or what?

[Vapor]

Surrounded by comedians eh? :DNah....I really don't care about the XL; bring on the XT! :D

Anyway I could sign an NDA so I could see the results a day early? :woot: :D

[trakslacker]

I'm gonna trust grayskull on this one. He's proven himself before, and I have no reason to doubt him now.

[Frisch]

Anyone up for a Trubadur , i brought my Harp, and my Friend plays both the 16,24, and 32 Version Pipe , slightly out of tune, but nothing a good whiskey couldn't make up for.

[perkam]

If grayskull's started to post on the issue, gentlemen, might i suggest we keep our ears open...ati has every intention to dethrone the gtx in the upcoming days and i see no reason to disbelieve them, especially the weight the launch carries for their shareholders...

Perkam

[DCR]

Ugly, you take my comments the wrong way man...

You see, when you say "I wouldn't trust these preview sites" that makes it seem like he himself doesn't know. Now, he could simply say it's BS, therefore not giving us any info but saying the benchmark score is fake.

Quick and simple, that's not goading him or telling him to spill the beans, nor is it being rude. I was simply pointing out that, going by his statement, they haven't told him anything. There's a few ATi employee's on other forums who haven't been told anything on the R520 at all, so it wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't told him.

Sorry if you misinterpeted what I said, unfortunately it seems to be a common happening on the internet these days.

...or, he knows something we don't, and judging by his reputation, I guarantee he knows something we don't.

If the 7800GT really performed that much better than the X1800XL, he would remain out of this thread altogether...but to me, him coming in and saying that the truth is coming...means that the truth is that ATI will do just fine in a little over 5 days.

I know my wallet is waiting.

[hipro5]

WHY do I have a "feeling" that ATI WANTS these benchies with these X1800's to be "leaked" from different sites so as to make people wonder if it's true or faulse, confuse them, talking all day long about ATI - ATI did that - ATI has this - so as ATI to be "first page talking" and when they finally hit the market, make a BIG BANG with 24 or even more pipelines, e.t.c. and be a blast.....?....NVIDIA "dies" the exact same day..... ;) :D

[Dynasty]

The R580 will have 24 and 32 pixel pipelines. :)

[DCR]

Did anyone notice the "Equable Motion" reference on the ATI website below the countdown timer?

d/t=v

"Equable motion" occurs when equal distances are covered in equal times; we denote the ratio of distance by time--which is therefore constant throughout the motion of the object regardless of how long a distance or time is considered--the speed of the object. In modern terminology, velocity (which is directed speed, so that an object has negative velocity if it moves in an opposite direction) measures the rate of increase (or decrease) of distance over time. In symbols, since equable motion occurs when velocity is distance divided by time, v = d/t.

I am missing the connection.

[Grayskull]

Yeah me too, XT all the way!

Nah....I really don't care about the XL; bring on the XT! :D

Anyway I could sign an NDA so I could see the results a day early? :woot: :D