TT BigTyphoon vs. ZM9500 (54K Warning)

[Dani]

Ok, here is pictures of TT BigTyphoon:

Original bottom, very scratchy :stick:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/1.%20Original%20bottom.JPG

..original bottom from different angle
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/2.%20Original%20bottom2.JPG

Weird number 3 and little hole :confused:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/3.%20Original%20bottom3.JPG

Few draws with 800 sandpaper
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/4.%20Few%20draws%20with%20800sandpaper.JPG

Lapped and polished :D
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/5.%20Lapped%20and%20polished.JPG

..different angle again
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/7.%20Lapped%20and%20polished2.JPG

Alu fins
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/8.%20Alu%20fins.JPG

more alu fins
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/9.%20Alu%20fins2.JPG



Ok, here is ZM9500 setup with thermometer
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/10.%20ZM9500%20setup.JPG

..and TT BigTyphoon setup
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/11.%20TT%20BigTyphoon%20setup.JPG

"Outside" thermometer probe
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/12.%20Thermometer%20probe.JPG

TT BigTyphoon
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/13.%20TT%20BigTyphoon.JPG


Let's start Priming to find out whos the King :toast:

TT BigTyphoon @ FULL LOAD 20min
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon_Prime95_2906MHz_1.6V_FULL_LOAD.gif

TT BigTyphoon IDLE 5min.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon_Prime95_2906MHz_1.6V_IDLE.gif

ZM9500 @ FULL LOAD 20min
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_ZM9500/ZM9500_Prime95_2906MHz_1.6V_FULL_LOAD.gif

ZM9500 IDLE 5min.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_ZM9500/ZM9500_Prime95_2906MHz_1.6V_IDLE.gif


TT BigTyphoon with Enermax fan, Prime95 for 20min ;)
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon_Prime95_2906MHz_1.6V_FULL_LOAD_Enerm axFAN.gif

TT BigTyphoon with Enermax fan, IDLE 5min.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon_Prime95_2906MHz-1.6V_IDLE_EnermaxFAN.gif

TT BigTyphoon with Enermax 120mm fan
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/4000+_SD_TT_BigTyphoon/TT_BigTyphoon/14.%20TT%20BigTyphoon%20with%20Enermax%20fan.JPG

Both coolers very effective, TT is very silent with 120mm fan, blows air to mems and PWMIC :)

[zakelwe]

A dead heat ?

Regards

Andy

[Ugly n Grey]

very nice, thanks for posting this for us... nice to see how much diff changing the fan made... has me thinking

[Cooper]

Great review !
Now I think everybody will make their minds to TT. With a little adjustments it performs very good - and is cheaper thought.

[Vapor]

Wow, a 6C drop with a better fan? That's something new....very good to see though!

Surprised to see the 9500 beat the stock BT by 2C though :stick:

EDIT: before people call me blind, I'm sourcing my numbers from MBM where it lists the max CPU temps since the puter was turned on.

[zakelwe]

Wow, a 6C drop with a better fan? That's something new....very good to see though!



Yes, the more air you can stick through the BT the better.

I just ran a 2900Mhz @ 1.65v on my Fx-55 with Super Pi 16M and because I had more airflow and lower ambient ( 9C ) the max I got was 35C on the core, which is 10C less than Dani.

Regards

Andy

[Vapor]

Yes, the more air you can stick through the BT the better.

I just ran a 2900Mhz @ 1.65v on my Fx-55 with Super Pi 16M and because I had more airflow and lower ambient ( 9C ) the max I got was 35C on the core, which is 10C less than Dani.

Regards

AndyI know the more air the better :stick:, but wasn't there a thread or a series of posts that showed that adding a higher CFM fan really didn't gain more than 1-2C?

[Ugly n Grey]

That depends on the thermal load... x2 procs I found little diff personally with a faster fan...but it was still 2 or 3 c

[Vapor]

So the higher the load, the lower the benefit? That's counter-intuitive.

[Dani]

BIG THX to everyone :)

I'v got 2x120mm Delta WFB1224HE DC24V 0.37A, should I put them on TT BT :woot:

[Vapor]

YEAH! w00t! Very good work Dani--I'm even considering replacing my WC with this BT because of your work. :D

[Ugly n Grey]

So the higher the load, the lower the benefit? That's counter-intuitive.

counter intuitive? with the size of this thing? radiating heat in every direction? Maybe it is.. but that's what happened.... as usual I'm not a professional reviewer and can only share my own results...your mileage may vary.
UnG

[Dani]

OCCT 2906MHz 1.6V and TT BT with Enermax fan @ FULL RPM

http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/OCCT/DFI%20nF4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego%200524XPBW/264x11%201.6V/2005-09-18-02h21-CPUGraph.gif
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/OCCT/DFI%20nF4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego%200524XPBW/264x11%201.6V/2005-09-18-02h21-Volt12.gif

http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/OCCT/DFI%20nF4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego%200524XPBW/264x11%201.6V/2005-09-18-02h21-VoltCore.gif

[Vapor]

counter intuitive? with the size of this thing? radiating heat in every direction? Maybe it is.. but that's what happened.... as usual I'm not a professional reviewer and can only share my own results...your mileage may vary.
UnGI don't follow...you're saying that it doesn't cool as well because the power density is lower? Interesting....I might have to pick one of these up as well as an Opty 146.

[Ugly n Grey]

I don't follow...you're saying that it doesn't cool as well because the power density is lower? Interesting....I might have to pick one of these up as well as an Opty 146.

No I'm saying a faster fan didn't make as much difference with a loaded dual core as with a loaded single core chip. I have no idea why. Maybe I was too drunk.

[novagamer]

Nice job :)

[Squid_Spit]

Nice review, but what the hell is with TT and their :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty bases it looks like its only being lapped with 400 grit.

[novagamer]

Nice review, but what the hell is with TT and their :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty bases it looks like its only being lapped with 400 grit.

That is somewhat disturbing, but at least it's something that can be fixed with a little time and some elbow power :p:

[cadaveca]

I think it's also very important that this test was run outside a case. I'm sure the performance numbers will be very different once those heatsinks are in an enclosed space...;)

[bokis]

The decision is made, I go fore the Big T, got the paper up to 2000grit ready for some lapping :woot:

[BioPC]

Yeah! nice review m8. I'm clear to go to TT Big Typhoon. :)
You have as well possibility to change to better fans.

[BioPC]

After been waiting so long for the new Zalman cooler results, i disagree totally the way they were commercially pre-showing it, respecting to his performance. :nono:

[Dani]

THX guy's!

I checked my ZM9500 and it's no problem to mod 2x120mm fan on it :fact:

[brandinb]

haha show your results when you finnish that mod dani

[Dani]

haha show your results when you finnish that mod dani
Sorry, I cant because I sell ZM9500 to my friend next week (to his girl friends PC) :p:

[D_o_S]

Sorry, I cant because I sell ZM9500 to my friend next week (to his girl friends PC) :p:

At least a picture of the ZM9500 with the 120mm fan? And results of the TT Big Typhoon with the Delta would be great too.

:toast:

[STEvil]

how about adding a spacer and reversing the fan on the BT? :D

[Dani]

how about adding a spacer and reversing the fan on the BT? :D
Yes, it was on my mind, 60mm spacer to 120mm fan is optimal, hmm, should try ;)

[Kasparz]

How load/silent that enermax cooler are?

[Dani]

How load/silent that enermax cooler are?
Enermax UC-12FAB / 120mm:
- Low. 1500 / rpm n. 67,3 Cfm. 34,0 dB
- Med. 2000 / rpm n. 81,0 Cfm. 38,0 dB
- High 2300 / rpm n. 94,9 Cfm. 43,6 dB

Here is my 24/7 settings (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/4000+%20San%20Diego/HCI_memtest_Mushkin_Redline_XP4000_266FSB.gif) with 2x512 Mushkin Redline XP4000, Enermax @ 1090RPM :D

[humeyboy]

http://www.thermaltake.com/dcfans/ComboCool/a2330/a2330.htm

Damn i got excited but its just near same specs as one they inc with BT, we need a 120 or 130mm :D Silent Cat as it was best fan ever for rpm/cfm/db its same rating as these bigger fans at near 54cfm (52.4cfm) i think.

That fan would be hard to seal around a heatink as its round sectioned, or maby not, any ideas if it would gain you anything ?

[kraggy]

Sweet review! Looks like I'm getting a Big "T"!

[Kasparz]

But one question, whats best, Tt Big typhoon+VF700Cu or Tt Big Water SE+GPU waterhead from Tt?

[z-design]

The CNSP-9500 is available at newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118223

:)

[mason123]

this is a test in open air, how about those 2 in the none opened pc case?

tt bt is so bigger that it will effect the whole fan cooled channel or wind direction? anybody have notice this? in a none opened case, the fan cooled channel or wind direction is also important .

[mariosimas♠]

Here is a interesting review:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/tt-coolers.html

[PowerSlide]

nice work! awesome..

dun kid..u gotta show the pic of modded 2 fan 9500 to us :D

[calcal]

so you sanded down with 800 grit and then use polish?


got a link to the polish stuff?

[bokis]

800/1200/1600/2000 I belive, an then polish, correct me if I am wrong :toast2:

[z-design]

800/1200/1600/2000 I belive, an then polish, correct me if I am wrong :toast2:

yup. polish isnt really that necessary in performance wise, but its good if you do it ;)

[Dani]

230/600/800/1200 and polish
Yeah, polishing is just fun :D

[Tulatin]

Have the BT myself, and that stock fan barely moves ANYTHING. To get this sink to it's full potential you'd need a nice delta, or to strap another fan under it (oh, and it would probably fit too.

[dnottis]

Have the BT myself, and that stock fan barely moves ANYTHING. To get this sink to it's full potential you'd need a nice delta, or to strap another fan under it (oh, and it would probably fit too.


50 cfm is nothing to sneeze at for the little noise it generates. I gained about 3 deg c at full load moving to a louder fan (78cfm).

[Tulatin]

50cfm and no noise is basically a silenX fan, so on the grounds of a noiseless cooler, it does well. I'm just a little leery to trust it to cool the componentry below when i can't feel the airflow out the other side (as compared to a much less dense sink the SI-97, which had tons of airflow out the other side with a silent cat attached)

[Ugly n Grey]

I really like the BT and won't change, but I do use a secondary 50mm fan to cool the power area as the x2 proc REALLY sucks back the juice on high OC's..

[Sparxxxy]

looks like i'm gonna buy a BT :D
thank for the review

[jrw]

Where'd you get that nice "table"? Made it yourself?

[Dani]

"Roof" is 11mm MDF, did it my self :)

[Dani]

Yes, it was on my mind, 60mm spacer to 120mm fan is optimal, hmm, should try ;)
Hmm, turned over fan to suck through cooler but gained 3ºC higher temps in Prime95, OK, I had only 25mm spacer (from another "empty" 120mm fan)

[Dani]

Next week Thermaltake Big Tower with 120mm Enermax vs. Scythe Ninja SCNJ-1000 with 120mm Enermax, stay tuned :D :toast: