First R520 review [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

happyhero

09-16-2005, 04:22 PM

Normally we would’ve adhered to ATI’s NDA and published results the moment it expired. However this time around ATI decided to just not bother with us as they made it very clear that we did not make the cut, as we have written some articles about CrossFire, R520 and ATI’s financial situation that were not apparently not appreciated. Hence we’ve not been briefed by ATI, nor did we sign an NDA, or have been invited to the launch event, so basically they decided to cut us off.

very dissapointing

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1813.1/

Ugly n Grey

09-16-2005, 04:24 PM

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74379 Thread removed from forum view....

Already a thread going here....

happyhero

09-16-2005, 04:47 PM

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74379

Already a thread going here....well it was videocard related so i searched the 3d section. i never read the news section any way. thanks for the heads up. how do i delete this thread. can't seem to find the option.

Geforce4ti4200

09-16-2005, 05:17 PM

I urge you do not buy an r520! It costs more and its slower than a 7800gtx and in some cases, a 7800gt! Of course some people will not listen and go ahead anyway. Their loss! From the benchmarks, the 7800gtx beats the x1800xt in everything and ties in farcry. In doom3, even a 7800gt wins! The x850xt pe isnt a bad card and is much cheaper than x1800pro/xt. Nvidia clearly has the performance crown for high end with their 7800gtx at or near $500. ATI does win the midrange crown with their x800pro and x800xl at or near $200, although the slightly more expensive 6800gt isnt a bad choice if you must have ps3. ATI also has some good low end cards like the 9700pro for agp users while Nvidia's 6600gt has been very popular.

If you want to buy a high end card, the 7800gtx is the way to go! For midrange, id suggest an x800pro, x800xl or 6800gt and maybe x1600xt(yet to be seen) for low end a 6600gt, x800gt(if prices come down) or 9700pro(for agp)

G H Z

09-16-2005, 05:31 PM

Why was that thread nuked, did Grayskull take offense or something? It was obviously BS from the get go but still entertaining ;)

Ugly n Grey

09-16-2005, 05:36 PM

Grayskull didn't complain that I am aware of, I complained to the mod of that section because someone called someone some bad names... debate is great, flames and names are just not cool

metro.cl

09-16-2005, 06:20 PM

Grayskull didn't complain that I am aware of, I complained to the mod of that section because someone called someone some bad names... debate is great, flames and names are just not cool

dude bad move i asked something to grayskull there and you closed it maybe you could clean it so we can read it

M.Beier

09-16-2005, 06:37 PM

Ofcause Grayskull aint happy about this leaking out, would be f***ed if he was all excited about ATI not being in controle of the press release..

slider99

09-16-2005, 06:42 PM

Soo... UnG, why you keep posting invalid links in every thread containing the word R520?

Ugly n Grey

09-16-2005, 06:44 PM

Slider, there was a thread in news on R520, I have no idea where it went...

slider99

09-16-2005, 06:47 PM

Slider, there was a thread in news on R520, I have no idea where it went... Please stop his is a friendly warning..
I deleted the thread it was done because of posts like this...

n00b 0f l337

09-16-2005, 06:52 PM

Erm.... That wasn't funny at all. And it iddnt make any sense.

Ugly n Grey

09-16-2005, 06:55 PM

Now aren't you quite the comedian?

I have no idea? Who am I? Why am I here? Who are these men in white robes?? WHere are they taking me? Wahhhh!!

Slider if you take a look at the news and video card sections, you'll notice at the bottom that i'm not a moderator in those forums....

GAR

09-16-2005, 06:57 PM

disapointed in ATI.....this round goes to nVidia in my book, im glad i went with the 7800gtx's and not waited for ATI...:] im happy...

slider99

09-16-2005, 07:01 PM

Slider if you take a look at the news and video card sections, you'll notice at the bottom that i'm not a moderator in those forums....Relax. I won't bite. :toast:

Anyway... please tell the full story. We're all ears!

metro.cl

09-16-2005, 07:20 PM

Slider if you take a look at the news and video card sections, you'll notice at the bottom that i'm not a moderator in those forums....

could you do something about that threat?? i really wanna see it back just clean it

higgins

09-16-2005, 07:25 PM

hmm whats up with the closing of the r520 "review" threads?

Ugly n Grey

09-16-2005, 07:59 PM

well this one is open, post your thoughts here

Tanktanium

09-16-2005, 08:04 PM

Ofcause Grayskull aint happy about this leaking out, would be f***ed if he was all excited about ATI not being in controle of the press release..

Wasn't it already said that the review was a load of BS because they didn't actually do the benchmark themselves? They "sent in specifications" to the boardmaker and got back results.

metro.cl

09-16-2005, 08:11 PM

well this one is open, post your thoughts here

not the best answer .......

Ugly n Grey

09-16-2005, 08:27 PM

not the best answer .......

:lol: What answer would you like? I'd be pleased to type it out for you, it would however have no meaning.

metro.cl

09-16-2005, 08:55 PM

:lol: What answer would you like? I'd be pleased to type it out for you, it would however have no meaning.

just thought you could talk to a mod and reopen that threat and just clean the fight or whatever happened

DrJay

09-16-2005, 10:21 PM

G H Z

09-16-2005, 10:59 PM

brandinb

09-16-2005, 11:52 PM

haha i had this huge post lined up in the other thread and when i clicked submit the thread was crashed lol too bad im not gonna write it again. basically i was saying that those results seemed real realistic and pretty competitive. in a month or a few hehe dep on availability the price will drop and they will be competitive with the gtx in all fields so that will be good. crossfire is completly usless besides benching if you really are limited to 1600x1200 @ 60hz as thats just retarted. one single gtx can play any game 1600x1200 with 4xaa over 60 fps so what would the point of crossfire be then?? but hopefully ati engeneers can get around it then it will be usefull tech.

Geforce4ti4200

09-17-2005, 01:42 AM

I also thought it strange the other threads got nuked. I guess r520 being too little, too late has sparked off alot of anger. I am disapointed too but im keeping it civil. Now people are defending ati and saying this benchmark is fake. fake or not, dont expect 16 pipes to beat 24 pipes, sorry.

zakelwe

09-17-2005, 01:49 AM

Ati seem to be suggesting those results are not correct, but none of us know so it's still a case of waiting to see what happens in early October.

Regards

Andy

slider99

09-17-2005, 03:50 AM

Seriously, ATI had originally planned for a 32-pipe card. Now, if these benchies would be fake and the 16-pipe card would do even better, what wouldn't be the performance of the original? I think it's very unrealistic to expect more, many of you very same people denying these benchies, when we first saw GTX benchies weren't you saying they're fake and bogus too? Well, they were not. Even this, considering half the pipes, is very impressive, imho.

And as said in the article, performance might change both ways with different clocks, "improved" drivers a la nvidi. Moreover, the article said nada about overclockability (so there's hope for those strong in faith). This is more the performance of the R520 core @ 600/1400 w/ 512MB GDDR3, not really the performance X1800XT, please keep this in mind.

k|ngp|n

09-17-2005, 06:35 AM

Right. Actually I think it will come down to weather or not the new 90nm cores will run well under xtreme cooling. If they do the 7800GTX will have a problem :bananal:, LOD or not.

Personally I think they will overclock like mad.

That is so key man...if these cards overclock like the x850's did and can take cascade temps and below, they will be awsome I bet :)

althes

09-17-2005, 06:55 AM

Guess we just have to wait

texuspete00

09-17-2005, 09:57 AM

I'm not sure what is going on here, so I'll mind my own business....
But as to the benchmarks,...if they are not BS, I thought they looked pretty good. Only lost to GTX in SLi and of course lost in Doom III but that is to be expected of ATI cards in Open GL.

Or in high-res the ATi won once over a single GTX. So I tend to think ATi is the co. that won one bench... if true of course.

Vapor

09-17-2005, 11:03 AM

Ati seem to be suggesting those results are not correct, but none of us know so it's still a case of waiting to see what happens in early October.

Regards

AndyLOL, just a thought. What if those results are in fact wrong and the actual ones are LOWER?!

Wouldn't that be interesting?

Anyway, I'm thinking of picking up a GTO2 so I can compare R420 and R520 clock for clock (I'm VERY interested in this!), with a downclock on the R520.

SIOUX

09-17-2005, 11:14 AM

That is so key man...if these cards overclock like the x850's did and can take cascade temps and below, they will be awsome I bet :)

My thoughts Exactly:) And with some optimized drivers, it wont be all that bad:)

Vapor

09-17-2005, 11:15 AM

That is so key man...if these cards overclock like the x850's did and can take cascade temps and below, they will be awsome I bet :)
I'm betting we see 1GHz before the year is out. :D

AfterClock

09-17-2005, 11:16 AM

@ HardwareAnalysis """review"""

the benched card might only be an x1800LE clocked higher

SIOUX

09-17-2005, 11:19 AM

We have a Danish site making a review as well:) its in danish. but the pics speak for them selves:)

http://www.hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3866

Vapor

09-17-2005, 11:19 AM

@ HardwareAnalysis """review"""

the benched card might only be an x1800LE clocked higherThat's the second time I've seen you say that....care to defend your logic and somehow prove it? I'd like to see an LE hit 1400MHz on the RAM.....I think there's a much higher chance that the review is simply crap and/or run on OCd X850s.

Vapor

09-17-2005, 11:21 AM

We have a Danish site making a review as well:) its in danish. but the pics speak for them selves:)

http://www.hardinfo.dk/show.asp?desc=3866Those are the same numbers...

SIOUX

09-17-2005, 11:23 AM

Those are the same numbers...

I did not say they were different... :)

alexio

09-17-2005, 11:25 AM

I did not say they were different... :)

Every one has to know by now that the first review was a fake. Why copy it and call it a good review?

AfterClock

09-17-2005, 11:30 AM

That's the second time I've seen you say that....care to defend your logic and somehow prove it? I'd like to see an LE hit 1400MHz on the RAM.....I think there's a much higher chance that the review is simply crap and/or run on OCd X850s.

I won't go proving it now.
Almost impossible.
But at the release time of the cards, we'll find out.

SIOUX

09-17-2005, 11:37 AM

Every one has to know by now that the first review was a fake. Why copy it and call it a good review?

I actely do believe that the reviews are fake.....including the danish one.... I was just informed that the danish site did not test the card themselves, but sended a timedemo to a boardpartner.......i believe the review are fake!!

biohead

09-17-2005, 01:45 PM

i hate this game ATi is playing..

crotale

09-17-2005, 02:25 PM

I don't think 1GHz will do it, it's bare minimum....

Linear math...
GTX:
430MHz -> 700MHz = +63%
X1800XT:
600MHz + 63% = 978MHz
and then they need to make up for not being faster in the first place.
But, on the other hand, Crossfire is said to be more efficient than SLI, and ATI usually have an edge in 3DMark2001 for example.

My 2 cents.

biohead

09-17-2005, 02:35 PM

i agree with crotale. Crossfire isn't tested yet, and it's suppost to be more efficient than SLI in general. Lets hope so, im a fanboy :)

HempHog

09-17-2005, 02:43 PM

http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=3069

Probably fake, I've also seen several other websites saying the exact same thing. It looks like the only samples out right now are the X1800XL's.

zakelwe

09-17-2005, 02:48 PM

Whatever the truth this has been going on so long it is just one big soap opera

www.aocb77.dsl.pipex.com/dallas.mid

Dave Orton as JR Ewing
Patricia Mikula as Sue Ellen Ewing

and the evil David Kirk as Cliff Barnes.....

Regards

Andy

HempHog

09-17-2005, 02:50 PM

haha

G H Z

09-17-2005, 04:02 PM

novagamer

09-17-2005, 06:38 PM

i hate this game ATi is playing..

As do I :(

Hopefully the final products will turn out to be great :)

JuanFlaiter

09-17-2005, 10:26 PM

As far as I know and what ATI people had told me, they haven´t sent the review sample kits yet. I think this could be ATI inhouse lab results that where leaked, other way is just a hoax.

cadaveca

09-17-2005, 10:47 PM

Poor Sander... i wonder how he feels about this...

thephenom

09-18-2005, 01:02 AM

It's clearly flawed review. I wouldn't even call it a review as it's probably using a very early revision of the card with the most basic drivers designed to test other functions of the card OTHER than performance. (Dual-link DVI, h.264 hardware acceleration, and all the other non-performance related goodies)

Think about it this way, if R520s is slower than 7800GTX by the time it's shipped, ATI would of DROPPED the R520 products long time ago and shift right to R580. They clearly have not, so R520 WILL be as fast if not faster than 7800s.

And with those numbers, it wouldn't even be worth it show AIB partners from a business point of view, it's just retarded. "Hey you wanna buy this from us, it's crappier than competitor's product but at similar price level"

No that's just wrong, so these numbers are either MADE up, or just some non-official internal test with crippled drivers.

So personally, this article really does NOTHING imo, it doesn't give us any implication of how fast the cards are, and other new features on the card. I'm guessing it's just a PR move to get at ATI, so they actually SEND them a card and shut them up type of move.

Either way, we'll find out in about 2.5 weeks. I believe NDA is expires in first week of October.

G H Z

09-18-2005, 01:55 AM

Hehe, after everything goin on with this release we'll probably be having guys saying it's BS after
5 or 6 legit reviews ;)

zabomb4163

09-18-2005, 02:02 AM

Think about it this way, if R520s is slower than 7800GTX by the time it's shipped, ATI would of DROPPED the R520 products long time ago and shift right to R580. They clearly have not, so R520 WILL be as fast if not faster than 7800s.

so no matter what nvidia cant be ahead in performance. if the R520 had been quicker in the review more people would have been inclined to believe it. R520 being slower isnt what they want to hear.

Tim

09-18-2005, 02:35 AM

so no matter what nvidia cant be ahead in performance. if the R520 had been quicker in the review more people would have been inclined to believe it. R520 being slower isnt what they want to hear.

So true ;) :fact:

nCrusader

09-18-2005, 02:59 AM

...and even if R520 is just a little faster, the availibility and price (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814170087) will be much better for a looong time i believe.

g-a-m-e

09-18-2005, 04:39 AM

I hate it when threads are closed due to complaints...
It has absolutely no purpose...issues remain unsolved and therefore grudges also remain way longer without ever getting the chance to be resolved ... Useless censorship that only brings more aggitition... We are not 12 anymore and have heard words like f-u-c-k before...., people here are perfectly able to speak up for themselves and resolve things without snitching to the teacher ...
Complaining does more damage to a forum then it does good imho ...

back on track ... Even iff the benches are "fake" which im not saying they aren't ... i personally dont expect way more from the R520 ... Fact remains that it has 8 pipes less, and has higher clocks to counter that.... It will probably perform like the 7800 GTX does, but not much more ....

I'm definately pro ATI, but the R520 will not be my new card,..especially since it again will be scarcely available like the X800XT's were when they first came out ...
Nvidia is a definate no-no due to my fanboy sickness...., so ill be waiting for the R580 cause i want many pipes for some reason ...

biohead

09-18-2005, 05:21 AM

by the time i'll buy a new rig, r580 will be out and ill go for that in crossfire. Atleast I hope so, lol. Untill then, ill be a spectator.

perkam

09-18-2005, 08:27 AM

I hate it when threads are closed due to complaints...
It has absolutely no purpose...issues remain unsolved and therefore grudges also remain way longer without ever getting the chance to be resolved ... Useless censorship that only brings more aggitition... We are not 12 anymore and have heard words like f-u-c-k before...., people here are perfectly able to speak up for themselves and resolve things without snitching to the teacher ...
Complaining does more damage to a forum then it does good imho ...

You can pm any of the mods, including me, g-a-m-e, with any such concerns you may have, thank you for pointing that out...but this isnt the place to do it. We Have a Forum Comments section here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=120 - where your concern can be addressed better.

I,too, hope the R580 doesnt meet this fate...but i've got my eye on the R600 ;)

Perkam

metro.cl

09-18-2005, 09:03 AM

You can pm any of the mods, including me, g-a-m-e, with any such concerns you may have, thank you for pointing that out...but this isnt the place to do it. We Have a Forum Comments section here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=120 - where your concern can be addressed better.

I,too, hope the R580 doesnt meet this fate...but i've got my eye on the R600 ;)

Perkam

at this rate r600 would be out like in 10 years :slapass: