First review of Opteron s939

[Petr]

Hi!
I published the first review of a new Opteron socket 939. This CPU uses San Diego core SH8-E4 and features 1 MB of L2 cache. It is available at speeds 144 (1.8 GHz) to 154 (2.8 GHz). Price should be comparable to if not less than A64.

The link is HERE (http://www.svethardware.cz/art_doc-76700DD756526F91C1257072003DE6F7.html) . Just it isn't in english but pictures speaks for themselves.


This one particular sample of Opteron 144 OCed very well - it allowed for a 1 GHz speed gain what is more than 55% of it's nominal clock.

http://www.svethardware.cz/sh/media.nsf/0c97cd6cabb1398ec1256cc50082f4bf/6b438b1c5bedb403c1257072003e6f56/Body/0.46F2?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif
CPU-Z thinks it is s940 but it is s939. Vcore had to be raised to 1.50V to get this stable. Cooler used was a BOX for FXs and X2s (the one with copper base and four heatpipes).

[dinos22]

do these work in normal motherboards

that is a massive overclock....is that voltage correct....are we takling SS here or stable speeds

[Petr]

Yes, they do work on normal motherboards as Hammer Unknown Model. Some motherboards have a direct support for them - for example Abit AN8, ASUS A8N or DFI. I think more are to come.

At this speed of 2816 MHz, at 1.4V, Prime95 fails immediately. At 1.45V it fails after six munutes. So I think at 1.5V, it could be stable. I used a cooler that is not a top performer and the temperature with this kind of OC at heavy load of BurnK7 was 63 degrees. With a better cooler, it could probably do better.

[ArcTan]

looks interesting
I wonder why they released a 939 opteron?

[Petr]

looks interesting
I wonder why they released a 939 opteron?
Because it doesn't need registered memory, therefore the platform is much cheaper.

[Daved+]

Seems to be more overclockable than the Venice's ???

[Petr]

Seems to be more overclockable than the Venice's ???
Not sure but Opteron is manufactured on better silicon because it is a server product and has higher demands on stability. It also usually has higher TCaseMax specification than Athlons.

[dinos22]

Seems to be more overclockable than the Venice's ???
if they all perform like this one......i'd love one

are all Opteron 144 CPUs S939 or are they shipping S940 as well

[Petr]

if they all perform like this one......i'd love one

are all Opteron 144 CPUs S939 or are they shipping S940 as well
They are also shipping for s940. s939 versions were launched only a month ago so currently they are hard to get.

[ArcTan]

if they all perform like this one......i'd love one

are all Opteron 144 CPUs S939 or are they shipping S940 as wellditto
if the 144's are like the current 940 144 opteron maybe we can get them for about $300 or similar to a venice 3200 price :)

[xs64]

What does the different between Opteron and Sandy ? I mean all in socket 939 , can i get more performance with the Opteron S939 ?

[Petr]

Opteron 144 can be bought for a price comparable to A64 3000+. According to AMD's pricelist, it's even cheaper than that!

There is no difference between Opteron and San Diego A64. Both use the same core and therefore have the same performance.

[linhvndiy]

Please do more test. How it perform in server task?Thanks.

[Mysterfix]

Very good news indeed, can't waite for these to hit the shelves.

[largon]

Aren't Opterons fully multi-locked?

[gundamit]

So does 939 Opteron 144 = A64 3000+ with 1MB or Sandy at 1.8Ghz and 9x multi? Any way you slice it, it gives us another choice. I'd warm up to it a bit more if prices hit the sub $200USD mark. :D

[largon]

gundamit,
A screenie (http://www.svethardware.cz/sh/media.nsf/0c97cd6cabb1398ec1256cc50082f4bf/76700dd756526f91c1257072003de6f7/Body/13.3C70?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif) in that review shows "SH8-E4". It's a San Diego w/ x9.

[nn_step]

can't wait for dual core 939 Opterons

[drcrawn]

ditto
if the 144's are like the current 940 144 opteron maybe we can get them for about $300 or similar to a venice 3200 price :)

The s940 1xx chips on .09 are impossible to find. I don't think they will ever be made. Actually AMD doesn't show them as available at all, only .13 micron. Also, I noticed the case temperature is related to warranty in a way, the one year warranty chips for s940 can vary between 49-67c, but the three year chips are always 67c. On s939, the 150 has the highest at 71c for both boxed retail and oem. !!



Apparently, the highest you can get on s939 is the 152 (2.6ghz).

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/default.aspx

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5420/opty9395vq.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opty9395vq.jpg)

WOW, there are s939 opterons there with 2mb L2 cache!

[ZeroX]

Aren't Opterons fully multi-locked?

Is that true?

That opterons looks promising... if they are down-unlocked with 1mb... so nice

[nn_step]

or the fact that they have 3 hypertransport links...

[Ugly n Grey]

The s940 1xx chips on .09 are impossible to find. I don't think they will ever be made. Actually AMD doesn't show them as available at all, only .13 micron. !

They are made and shipping in Sun servers AFAIK, IBM will be shipping soon as well. The x75 series are shipping like nuts and with good reason.... they take the performance of the socket 940 to xtreme levels.... though I do have to add that at the 8way status the PPC servers are still kicking butt.... I think that will be remedied as companies like Serverworks and Nvidia make more serious chipsets for these Opty's as the potential is definitely there..

[uOpt]

or the fact that they have 3 hypertransport links...

I don't think it is clear at this point that the additional hypertransport links are actually connected to anything in a socket 939 "Opteron".

[Mats]

Petr: How did you get that CPU for the review?

[Mats]

Is that true?

That opterons looks promising... if they are down-unlocked with 1mb... so nice

All 90 nm Opterons have lower multipliers enabled. You can download PowerNow for Opteron here (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9033,00.html).
Another link (http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_12353,00.html).

[Petr]

Petr: How did you get that CPU for the review?
They are available for sale in our country - here (http://www.foxpc.cz/list/1/6VQ10IIII) .

[dinos22]

I think the 2MB cache ones are Dual Core counterparts
2x1MB Cache ..............I want one of those Opteron 165 CPUs:D :slobber: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5420/opty9395vq.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opty9395vq.jpg)

WOW, there are s939 opterons there with 2mb L2 cache!

[wonderwall]

Hum 175 with 2MB and Dual Die, will be great :D

I want 175.

[Daved+]

Hum 175 with 2MB and Dual Die, will be great :D

I want 175.
Group buy!

[drcrawn]

They are made and shipping in Sun servers AFAIK, IBM will be shipping soon as well. The x75 series are shipping like nuts and with good reason.... they take the performance of the socket 940 to xtreme levels.... though I do have to add that at the 8way status the PPC servers are still kicking butt.... I think that will be remedied as companies like Serverworks and Nvidia make more serious chipsets for these Opty's as the potential is definitely there..

The 2mb L2s are dual core, yes.

Ugly and Grey, AMD does not have .09 100 series Opterons for s940 listed on thier site. I don't think they exist. The older .13 100 series s940 Opterons have been around for quite some time now, but AMD isn't moving them to .09 process with sse3 support. There isn't a market really. BTW, why would Sun sell single cpu servers on s940?

Also, there are no dual core 100 series s940 opterons at all.

I would love to buy a 154 instead of a 254, but they don't exist for s940! :mad: even though AMD said they would make them. The demand for single cpu servers (s940) is virtually nonexistent.

[VVJ]

Hey, Petr, nice pix, man! =) Well, here is some info on your CPU:
http://netpilot.at.tut.by/work/snapshot.png

[clayton]

I love Opteron 175 so much...
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/opteron-x75/index.x?pg=10

[Cpt Twitchy]

or the fact that they have 3 hypertransport links...

That is not true. The 100 series cannot be used in a dual system. The 200 series is for dual use only but can be used in a single system and the 800 series is good for 4way and 8way systems and are also backwards compatable.

One thing that I assume would help w/ oc'ing is that iirc Opterons have better memory controllers then A64.

[Stuperman]

WOW, there are s939 opterons there with 2mb L2 cache!

I think those are dual core, so 2x 1mb...
=

[clayton]

No question about it. Opteron 175, 170, and 165 are the only dual core models for the 100 series. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8826_609,00.html

Too bad you can't use non-ecc on 939 Opterons.

[saratoga]

That is not true. The 100 series cannot be used in a dual system. The 200 series is for dual use only but can be used in a single system and the 800 series is good for 4way and 8way systems and are also backwards compatable.

One thing that I assume would help w/ oc'ing is that iirc Opterons have better memory controllers then A64.

They don't even have better memory controllers then the A64 because these are A64s. AMD just changes the label on the box so corporate types will be willing to use them in severs. Its still the same chip though.

[s7e9h3n]

They don't even have better memory controllers then the A64 because these are A64s. AMD just changes the label on the box so corporate types will be willing to use them in severs. Its still the same chip though.
Sorry, you're wrong. The Opterons have the "ultimate" memory controllers among AMD cpu's - optimized through HW for performance and stability. The FX- series of processors are based on the Opteron's full 128-bit architecture while the A64's use only a true 64-bit memory controller. These s939 Opterons are AMD entry into the worstation/server market as the s940 Opterons weren't too popular :p: . These cpu's will definately outperform any A64 @ similar speeds. I've been told that we may even see the eventual phasing out of the FX-line of processors in favor of these s939 Opterons (at least until DDR2 arrives). AFAIK, one thing which won't happen, is the production of any s939 multi-cpu Opties ;)

[drcrawn]

So then these s939 Opterons should not use 2T timing ever? That's a good selling point, I see them lining up with 4 sticks of their bh-5 now...

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/26094.PDF

p.109

Wonder which current s939 boards will be compatible or if that will be an issue.
So basically AMD is moving single cpu servers to s939 to allow for cheap unbuffered ddr...and abadoning the single cpu s940 user :) to some extent.

Tyan has a s939 Opty board for sale now.

http://www.tyan.com/products/html/opteron.html

[OC Detective]

No question about it. Opteron 175, 170, and 165 are the only dual core models for the 100 series. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8826_609,00.html

Too bad you can't use non-ecc on 939 Opterons.
You can use unbuffered RAM on Opteron 939s no problem.

[saratoga]

Sorry, you're wrong. The Opterons have the "ultimate" memory controllers among AMD cpu's - optimized through HW for performance and stability.

First, this isn't an opteron, its a San Diego. Regardless, the memory controller is functionally identical between the 64/FX and Opteron lines aside from some minor electrical differences to accomidate registered RAM and all that entails.

The FX- series of processors are based on the Opteron's full 128-bit architecture while the A64's use only a true 64-bit memory controller.

Completely wrong. All S939 and S940 based CPUs have 128 bit memory controllers (ignoreing parity lines anyway). Only S754 currently has a 64 bit CPU. If you don't believe me, look at the pin outs.

These s939 Opterons are AMD entry into the worstation/server market as the s940 Opterons weren't too popular :p: . These cpu's will definately outperform any A64 @ similar speeds.

No they won't because these San Diegos are transistor for transistor identical to the San Diegos in A64s.

Anyway, jeez man, do some reading. AMD publishes all this in their tech sheets. :stick:

[largon]

^I agree. Opteron's "superiority" in memory handling is totally based on using DRAM with x4 configuration -> number of x4 DRAM ICs used in registered dimms stresses mc as much as half the amount of x8 ICs.

[Petr]

Opterons for s939 use unbuffered non-ECC or unbuffered w/ ECC. They can not use registered DIMMs. The memory controller is exactly the same as on A64, therefore with four double sided DIMMs, you have to swith to 2T timing. The performance is identical to A64 with 1 MB L2 cache on the same frequency.

[largon]

'Was talking about S940 Opterons. ;)

[uOpt]

You can use unbuffered RAM on Opteron 939s no problem.

Actually it requires unbuffered RAM.

ECC is a different matter and I bet 45 cokkies it can do both ECC and non-ECC.

Of course the mainboard BIOS has to cooperate to enable ECC and those are hard to find on socket 939 (mostly Asus boards that support ECC on 939).

[berk]

So where the f*&k are we with these things? I'm tired and going to bed.Can someone give a technical 'synopsis'? :)

[uOpt]

I am sure that a 939 Opteron is only different from an Athlon 64 939 by its QA before leaving the factory.

At this time I don't even see any evidence that the additional hypertransport links are connected to anything. Or exist for that matter.

The moment registered memory goes away so goes the advantage of serving large amounts of RAM fast. That's the whole point about registered memory.

[drcrawn]

Opterons for s939 use unbuffered non-ECC or unbuffered w/ ECC. They can not use registered DIMMs. The memory controller is exactly the same as on A64, therefore with four double sided DIMMs, you have to swith to 2T timing. The performance is identical to A64 with 1 MB L2 cache on the same frequency.

No real advatage to buying a s939 Opteron then, IMO. Like I said, this is nothing more than AMD switching single cpu servers to cheaper unbuffered ram.

Registered memory is tremendously expensive still...

[largon]

drcrawn,
San Diego core for the same price of a 3000+ is no real advantage?!
These are FX's with lower multi and price! :stick:

No cons.
Just pros.

[s7e9h3n]

Anyway, jeez man, do some reading. AMD publishes all this in their tech sheets. :stick:
I don't think I was too clear in my statement. You're speaking in terms of purely @ the hardware level while what I meant to address was the diferences in how the memory controllers are hard coded. Trust me, while the information that's available publicly may imply that the memory controllers in the Opterons and A64's are functionally similar, their differences lie far beyond the ability to hand registered dimms........

[Ugly n Grey]

I don't think I was too clear in my statement. You're speaking in terms of purely @ the hardware level while what I meant to address was the diferences in how the memory controllers are hard coded. Trust me, while the information that's available publicly may imply that the memory controllers in the Opterons and A64's are functionally similar, their differences lie far beyond the ability to hand registered dimms........

You are asking for an unsual amount of trust considering AMD is not known for publishing false claims about their processors capabilities...you have any data?

[s7e9h3n]

You are asking for an unsual amount of trust considering AMD is not known for publishing false claims about their processors capabilities...you have any data?
No, I'm not saying at all that AMD is publishing false claims - just that some info isn't necessarily available in public documents. I'm gonna stop here before I say something that'll get me in trouble..... ;)

[Mats]

What's it gonna be? VVJ's Opteron is a Venus (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1030729#post1030729), while some people say it's a San Diego. AFAIK, Opterons have never shared code name with A64's, though the difference may be small in real in real world.

Edit: It's a Venus of course (http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture/?src=/images/news/2004-11/amd_roadmap_24112004.png&1=1)!!! San Diego?? Duh! :stick:

...or, does the Venus got the D revision?? Is it San Diego? Maybe they don't have different names for D and E 1xx's, just like D and E Semprons?? :slap:

[drcrawn]

Once again I point you all to this

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/26094.PDF

BTW, since when are these s939 Optys FX chips?

[saratoga]

I don't think I was too clear in my statement. You're speaking in terms of purely @ the hardware level while what I meant to address was the diferences in how the memory controllers are hard coded. Trust me, while the information that's available publicly may imply that the memory controllers in the Opterons and A64's are functionally similar, their differences lie far beyond the ability to hand registered dimms........

It was quite clear that you didn't understand how the memory controller is configured in the 64 or Opteron with your "the A64's use only a true 64-bit memory controller" remark. Yet I'm supposed to believe that you have inside information (and yet somehow couldn't be bothered to read the published spec)?

Sorry, but I know bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: when I see it.

Once again I point you all to this

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/con..._docs/26094.PDF

I looked through page 109 and couldn't see what interested you so much. Could you explain?

[OC Detective]

No real advatage to buying a s939 Opteron then, IMO. Like I said, this is nothing more than AMD switching single cpu servers to cheaper unbuffered ram.

Registered memory is tremendously expensive still...
The advantage IMHO lies in their current pricing of the lower models e.g. the 144 on the AMD pricelist is USD125 so you basically get extra cache and same frequency for the same price as a Venice 3000+
When and whether they are readily available is another matter however.

[largon]

It's a Venus of course (http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture/?src=/images/news/2004-11/amd_roadmap_24112004.png&1=1)!!! San Diego?? Duh! :stick:
Okay. Venus is an Opteron core, they do not work with unbuffered ram, only registered.
If the core on S939 Opteron 144 is actually a Venus -> The review could not have been done. "True" Opterons don't even post if unbuffered ram is installed.

So, it's it must be something else:

Theory no. 1: Only the S939 Opteron core is San Diego, S940 Venus Opterons are something totally different -> If this is the case, VVJ's prog "AuthScanner" doesn't show the core code name correct. That I doubt because he appears to have some level of official collaboration with AMD.

Theory no. 2: All San Diegos are Opteron Venus cores with some "abilities" enabled/disabled (for example requirement for registered ram). Codenames differ from their "parent cores" (like crippled Venices aren't Venices, but Palermos).

I prefer the 2nd theory.
I doubt AMD would design one core for Opteron and another for FX-line if they could design one core (that is the Opteron core) and disable all
"unnecessary" functions for desktop use.

[ArcTan]

It was quite clear that you didn't understand how the memory controller is configured in the 64 or Opteron with your "the A64's use only a true 64-bit memory controller" remark. Yet I'm supposed to believe that you have inside information (and yet somehow couldn't be bothered to read the published spec)?

Sorry, but I know bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: when I see it.
I do believe he was one of the first to have a venice in his hands well before they were sold on the market

[adz]

i think he knows more then we think :D

[Gogar]

No question about it. Opteron 175, 170, and 165 are the only dual core models for the 100 series. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8826_609,00.html

Too bad you can't use non-ecc on 939 Opterons.

Link? Where did you hear that you can't use non-ecc on 939 Opterons?

[Mats]

Okay. Venus is an Opteron core, they do not work with unbuffered ram, only registered.
If the core on S939 Opteron 144 is actually a Venus -> The review could not have been done. "True" Opterons don't even post if unbuffered ram is installed.
Not sure about that anymore. It used to be like that but now there are no S940 100's. Things have changed. Why? Well, as some already pointed out, there's probably no market for it. I think it's a true Venus. There are different cores for 100, 200 and 800 series.

[drcrawn]

It was quite clear that you didn't understand how the memory controller is configured in the 64 or Opteron with your "the A64's use only a true 64-bit memory controller" remark. Yet I'm supposed to believe that you have inside information (and yet somehow couldn't be bothered to read the published spec)?

Sorry, but I know bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: when I see it.



I looked through page 109 and couldn't see what interested you so much. Could you explain?


p109 only states that the 2T bit should only be set with unbuffered dimms.

The entire document, however, has lots of information regarding the difference, especially memory related, between s939 and s940.

[drcrawn]

Link? Where did you hear that you can't use non-ecc on 939 Opterons?

It's true. Ecc or non-ecc both work on s939 Optys.

[drcrawn]

Okay. Venus is an Opteron core, they do not work with unbuffered ram, only registered.
If the core on S939 Opteron 144 is actually a Venus -> The review could not have been done. "True" Opterons don't even post if unbuffered ram is installed.

So, it's it must be something else:

Theory no. 1: Only the S939 Opteron core is San Diego, S940 Venus Opterons are something totally different -> If this is the case, VVJ's prog "AuthScanner" doesn't show the core code name correct. That I doubt because he appears to have some level of official collaboration with AMD.

Theory no. 2: All San Diegos are Opteron Venus cores with some "abilities" enabled/disabled (for example requirement for registered ram). Codenames differ from their "parent cores" (like crippled Venices aren't Venices, but Palermos).

I prefer the 2nd theory.
I doubt AMD would design one core for Opteron and another for FX-line if they could design one core (that is the Opteron core) and disable all
"unnecessary" functions for desktop use.

Venus are relabled San Diego, no if ands or buts and they use unbuffered ram, NOT registered. I keep saying that AMD has moved the single cpu server market to s939 TO GET AWAY FROM EXPENSIVE REGISTERED RAM.

BTW, THERE IS NO VENUS CORE FOR s940 OPTERONS, only TROY (200 series) and ATHENS (800 series). VENUS is strictly for s939 100 series OPTERONS.

[ozzimark]

VENUS is strictly for s939 100 series OPTERONS.
so this means that the BN in the opn code shouldn't be interpreted as san diego like one would expenct?

[clayton]

I'm pretty sure the later versions of Opteron socket 939 will work with non ECC. What I heard was from the older 939 samples.

[dinos22]

I'm pretty sure the later versions of Opteron socket 939 will work with non ECC. What I heard was from the older 939 samples.
hey clayton

that is a super workstation.....why so much firepower can i ask?

:slobber: :slobber: now that would be a nice folding unit for our i4memory.com team :slobber: :slobber:

dinos22

[clayton]

Just received my new stuff today. Gotta say its too fast for myself too. :p:

[dinos22]

Just received my new stuff today. Gotta say its too fast for myself too. :p:what the quad box......so what do you reckon you install 6-7x folding consoles for us i4memorians :guitar:

[iS.Terminator]

wich one would be better then? 3000+venice or a 1.8ghz Opty?(sckt939)

[OC Detective]

Both have similar architecture and same frequency but the Opteron has extra cache - not too difficult to figure out which is better.

[Petr]

You better read the review. Opteron s939 can use ECC as well as non-ECC unbuffered memory.

Venus vs. San Diego - the problem is this mess in names. There is nothing like San Diego core. Cores are named by letters and numbers. A64 3700+ s939 uses SH8 core in E4 revision. The name "San Diego" comes to say it is a s939 chip with 1 MB cache. That name is therefore a codename for a processor, not for a core. A year back a "Newcastle" was used to say it was an s754 chip with 512 kB cache... but no matter if it used DH7-CG (512 kB L2 cache) core or SH7-CG one (1 MB L2 cache with half of cache disabled).

Opterons for s939 use SH8-E4, exactly the same core as A64s w/ 1MB L2 use. And BTW, Opterons for s940 now also use SH8-E4 core. Only difference between s939 and s940 parts are that the memory controller is configured differently. But the core is the same.

[Esso]

Can't find the review that states that Opteron for Socket-939 supports non ECC memory, to blind obvioulsy.

But I came a cross this AMD document ...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_861_8806~85257,00.html#85258

AMD states again and again "supporting ECC unbuffered memory"
Nothing about non ECC memory support !
But the document might not be updated ?

Confused you will be.

[Petr]

Can't find the review that states that Opteron for Socket-939 supports non ECC memory, to blind obvioulsy.

But I came a cross this AMD document ...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_861_8806~85257,00.html#85258

AMD states again and again "supporting ECC unbuffered memory"
Nothing about non ECC memory support !
But the document might be not updated ?

Confused you will be.
See the RAMs I used - here (http://www.svethardware.cz/art_doc-BDD167651B03962DC1257072003E90F1.html)

[Esso]

Thanks Petr, AMD seems to have problem with the documentation.
To say the least.

As soon as I locate what ever AMD calls it .... you can see for yourself ...

AMD64 Processor Compatible DDR Memory Modules (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/DevelopWithAMD/0,,30_2252_893_10125,00.html)
AMD Opteron™ Processor Recommended Motherboards. (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/DevelopWithAMD/0,,30_2252_869_8819%5E8821,00.html)

[uOpt]

Since very few 939 mainboards support ECC it is near impossible that the Opteron for 939 requires ECC. It would limit their application way too much.

[iS.Terminator]

so were do I buy the opty?l0l, ima skip the 3000+....

[Penti]

Hey, does any stores have the 144s yet? Or any other 1xx 939 Opteron for that matter, they should be out retail from what amd said 1.5 months ago?
Havn't even seen them prelisted here yet.

Regards
Penti

[VulgarHandle]

:slobber:

more

info

needed

i think what we all want to know is, when will newegg have em? :toast:

[saratoga]

Can't find the review that states that Opteron for Socket-939 supports non ECC memory, to blind obvioulsy.

But I came a cross this AMD document ...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_861_8806~85257,00.html#85258

AMD states again and again "supporting ECC unbuffered memory"
Nothing about non ECC memory support !
But the document might not be updated ?

Confused you will be.

Pretty much anything that supports ECC will work without it. ECC is basically a superset of non-ECC, you'd almost have to go out of your way to not support plain memory. I doubt they did this.

[Penti]

Ok, i can't fiend it anywhere, but i found a shop that had it listed (not in stock) and the product # is OSA144BNBOX for the 939 90nm "San Diego" 1MB L2 Opteron 144 cpu. I want it now! ;)
Seems to be listed at $150 however, i did like the $125 pricetag on it :/
If it pops up anywhere under 150 bucks then I'd like to buy this cpu thru someone in the us if it hasn't came here yet at the end of the month. International shipping to sweden for at cpu would just cost $5-10 at most, without a cooler of course (if with a cooler maybe 20 bucks wich is still cheap).

It would be so sweet sitting with this chip! More reviews please :)
Edit: Ok damn if it's availble in Czech republic it should be avaible here and in other places, anyways i just mailed a big store in my country about it, so i'll report back on that for the swedish readers of the forum if they say something usefull.

Regards
Penti

[ReelMonza]

You don't have to worry about customs like we do, do ya ?

[Penti]

You don't have to worry about customs like we do, do ya ?
Because of our taxes it will in worst case cost as much as here :) (+30% on tot price in customscost). 3000+ price here corresponds to 190+ bucks.
So yes i have to worry about it, but it wouldn't be too high of a cost :D

However from Czech i wouldn't have to worry as its an EU country now, so it will be no custom.

[Gogar]

Anybody got a clue how expensive this 165 is in $$? lol
http://www.foxpc.cz/detail/4430

edit: 1 Czech koruna = 0.0424719 U.S. dollars says google

now i gotta figure out where it says the price lol

[SlackeR]

Hehe guess the price is 10504,- Kč for Tray and 12500,- Kč for box. Or maybe it is shipping or whatever. Guess the prices uderneath is VAT exclusive.
Very nice chip. I would like to see one in Denmark too.

Edit: if you put a "2" in the field that seems to hold your amount of processors it says 21008,- Kč. So they cost 10504. But that is like two times the price of a Venice 3000+ in Denmark i think??

[VVJ]

What's it gonna be? VVJ's Opteron is a Venus (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1030729#post1030729), while some people say it's a San Diego. AFAIK, Opterons have never shared code name with A64's, though the difference may be small in real in real world.

The final version of AuthScanner 2.0 is out! Sorry for the previous bug! It was San Diego, of course.

[Penti]

SlackeR
The 12500 koruna price would be with sales taxes/VAT, as "Vaše cena s DPH" should be your cost plus VAT or something. I can't really make out what the small value under the price is but ofcourse i can't speek Czech.

The cost for the trayed 144 should be 174 bucks + shipping and all that. Checked the distributor for amd in czech and it costs 145 dollars from there excl taxes.

[SlackeR]

SlackeR
The 12500 koruna price would be with sales taxes/VAT, as "Vaše cena s DPH" should be your cost plus VAT or something. I can't really make out what the small value under the price is but ofcourse i can't speek Czech.

The cost for the trayed 144 should be 174 bucks + shipping and all that. Checked the distributor for amd in czech and it costs 145 dollars from there excl taxes.

haha i saw an extra 0 in the small prices i think :D
They could be shipping costs then. But whatever, you found a price. Which is around the price of a venice 3000+ here, too.
But that price is way off the 12500 koruna. That is actually three times as expensive.

[Esso]

Pretty much anything that supports ECC will work without it. ECC is basically a superset of non-ECC, you'd almost have to go out of your way to not support plain memory. I doubt they did this.

Thanks saratoga for clearing that up for me.
Esso

[Penti]

haha i saw an extra 0 in the small prices i think :D
They could be shipping costs then. But whatever, you found a price. Which is around the price of a venice 3000+ here, too.
But that price is way off the 12500 koruna. That is actually three times as expensive.

I first though they where the shipping cost but that didn't fit with the cost for heavier products or any other product for that matter.
The 12500 koruna price for the 165 is in fact more then the listingprice for the 165 from AMD (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPT301) (417 bucks). Seems an X2 3800+ would be an better idea if you don't go with 170/175 or fiend it cheaper. But they are all great cpus.

Anyways i hope they come here soon, i'll definitively buy one (the 144) as long as it's cheaper then the 3200+ wich it should be. Well i can wait a few weeks, i'll wait to see what the store i contacted say about it first.

BTW i saw that no board has an official bios with opteron 939 support yet, with the exception of the tyan k8e board, hm.
Petr where did the cpu top out, as i understand the 2.8GHz was stable.

[Mats]

The 12500 koruna price for the 165 is in fact more then the listingprice for the 165 from AMD (417 bucks). Seems an X2 3800+ would be an better idea if you don't go with 170/175 or fiend it cheaper.
X2 3800+ (2 GHz, 2x512 kB) and 165 (1.8 GHz, 2x1024 kB) are not really comparable. Different speed, different cache size.
http://www.amdcompare.com/us%2Den/opteron/Default.aspx
Anyway, I really hope you'll find those Opterons in Sweden! :toast:
I haven't seen them yet, guess it's just a matter of weeks before they'll show up.

Edit: It says "Tray (http://www.foxpc.cz/list/1/6VQ10I)" on foxpc's site, not "Box (http://www.foxpc.cz/list/1/6VQ109)".

[iS.Terminator]

so can anyone tell me when they're released? Make a new thread or something please:), I really want to get one of those chips in my hands:).

[ridczak]

SlackeR
The 12500 koruna price would be with sales taxes/VAT, as "Vaše cena s DPH" should be your cost plus VAT or something. I can't really make out what the small value under the price is but ofcourse i can't speek Czech.

The cost for the trayed 144 should be 174 bucks + shipping and all that. Checked the distributor for amd in czech and it costs 145 dollars from there excl taxes.

12500,- Kč is the price inc. VAT. "Normal" price is 13434,- Kč so this - 12500 will give you lower small value 934,- Kč - the amount you save :)

[Pirs]

my new Opteron 144

http://www.pirs.vyrobce.cz/Images/3G-144.JPG

[Penti]

Damn pirs that's sweet! What cooling, specs etc?


Anyways the distributors in sweden don't got them yet unfortunately :/
I want one soo bad. No where to get it, the store didn't know when the distributors would have them either :/

[novagamer]

my new Opteron 144

http://www.pirs.vyrobce.cz/Images/3G-144.JPG

NICE. Is this stable? Pi etc?

Might be convincing me to keep my prommy..

[dinos22]

my new Opteron 144

http://www.pirs.vyrobce.cz/Images/3G-144.JPG
gee man first unlocked 3000+ A64 and now this........hmmmmmmm

[largon]

Pirs,
Where did you get that and for what $$?

[Penti]

Pirs,
Where did you get that and for what $$?

As he lives in czech they are available in store as mentioned earlier in the thread. Price is like 175 bucks for him.

They are available for sale in our country - here (http://www.foxpc.cz/list/1/6VQ10IIII) .

[Vandi423]

They're available here in the States. I just ordered a couple of them today. Resellers should be having them soon. I am positive that they have been available in the states well before they were in Europe. I haven't been keeping up to date on Proc. info. so I didn't look for them until fellow member asked me for one.

So we should be seeing soon if all of these babies clock well.

EDIT: Boxed should be $145 and OEM should be around $125

[iS.Terminator]

They're available here in the States. I just ordered a couple of them today. Resellers should be having them soon. I am positive that they have been available in the states well before they were in Europe. I haven't been keeping up to date on Proc. info. so I didn't look for them until fellow member asked me for one.

So we should be seeing soon if all of these babies clock well.

EDIT: Boxed should be $145 and OEM should be around $125
where? I live in Arizona...and I want one!!! :)

[VulgarHandle]

no doubt, don't post they are in the states w/o posting where to buy them

[Vandi423]

Just stating a fact. I wanted to give you guys some hope. It's not my fault resellers haven't ordered them.

Sigh.....

I'll just shut up now. :(

[Vapor]

What cooler will the boxed ones come with? FX/X2greater or A64/X2lesser?

[Vapor]

Also, any word on market price for the 146? I'm a big fan of the 10x multi for some reason (and I don't buy the worst available :D).

[gundamit]

Just stating a fact. I wanted to give you guys some hope. It's not my fault resellers haven't ordered them.

Sigh.....

I'll just shut up now. :( Maybe they have? 1-2 weeks away? (http://www.cpugalaxy.com/showroom/1940.cfm)

[Penti]

Seen a few places have them listed in US, but none in stock. Price is usually 150+.
Here (Sweden) the distributors don't have them even so no store can order them :/ Czech is the only place in the world i've seen them and they have them in stock. Want to order the rig at the end of next week, dunno now I really like to get a hold of a opteron 144.

[OC Detective]

They're available here in the States. I just ordered a couple of them today. Resellers should be having them soon. I am positive that they have been available in the states well before they were in Europe. I haven't been keeping up to date on Proc. info. so I didn't look for them until fellow member asked me for one.

So we should be seeing soon if all of these babies clock well.

EDIT: Boxed should be $145 and OEM should be around $125

This post would have been a damn sight more relevant if you had taken the time to state who you actually ordered them from. Is it some kind of official secret that you cant divulge such information?
BTW distributors listings for the US still show no sign of the 939 Optis.

[gundamit]

This post would have been a damn sight more relevant if you had taken the time to state who you actually ordered them from. Is it some kind of official secret that you cant divulge such information? Since Vandi423 has gone silent, we might not find out. Go easy on posters and may be we can tease the info out of them. In the meantime I'm going to take a guess and say he's got a resale license and an account with a distributor like Ingram Micro. Pure speculation, yes. ;)

[Vandi423]

Unless you can order directly from AMD Malaysia then I don't see how that information can be of any use to anyone here.

Remember that distributors don't get anything until they order them from AMD.

I have seen the following in stock:

OSA144BNBOX
OSA146BNBOX ~ $205 - OEM should be around $185
OSA148BNBOX
OSA148DAA5BN
OSA150BNBOX
OSA150DAA5BN
OSA152BNBOX

They should be appearing this coming week. It is only a matter of time guys. Relax and don't shoot the messenger. ;)

[ReelMonza]

Now available in Japan (http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fakiba.ascii24.com%2fakiba%2fnew s%2f2005%2f09%2f16%2f658051-000.html)

[VulgarHandle]

boy i love how companies release crap in other countries first when they know their real market is the US, wth is w/ that? politics maybe?

[iS.Terminator]

boy i love how companies release crap in other countries first when they know their real market is the US, wth is w/ that? politics maybe?
foreals........ :mad: .......

[gulp35]

Location=texas :nono: ... :mad: ... Get some respect Molester... this is an international forum.

[The Coolest]

Pirs GCPUID will correctly detect the socket and the chip itself, try it out (my sig)

[VulgarHandle]

Location=texas :nono: ... :mad: ... Get some respect Molester... this is an international forum.

respect my question and don't flame

[Penti]

Molester
Maybe simply because they arn't put to gather in the US. They are package in some asian countries and as some other dude pointed out distributors don't get them till they order them.

Europe would probably be just as big market as US btw.

[over@locker886]

[QUOTE=Pirs]my new Opteron 144

Hi! I am hungarian people,and I would buy opteron 144 from foxpc.cz.
Which is correct price? 3596Kc or 4279Kc? How many postage czech republic(foxpc) to Hungary(Budapest)? Can anybody send it for me?

sorry,my english.

[Ref]

the right price is 4279... for shipping ask the store through email...

[Petr]

[QUOTE=Pirs]my new Opteron 144

Hi! I am hungarian people,and I would buy opteron 144 from foxpc.cz.
Which is correct price? 3596Kc or 4279Kc? How many postage czech republic(foxpc) to Hungary(Budapest)? Can anybody send it for me?

sorry,my english.

4279 includes VAT while 3596 doesn't. Try to contact Mr. Blaska or Mr. Hlousek to see if they can ship it to Hungary. Contacts (http://www.foxpc.cz/clanky/2219)

[mnewxcv]

yay! i love opterons! lol

[mongoled]

Woohoo,

long last a thread comes along that makes me sit up, been dying to replace my dead 3000+. These opties might be just the thing. I have a request though..

Could peeps posting the SS PLEASE state cooling method and stabilty of system when SS were taken. Alot of us here want to know how stable these things are!!!

Righty im off to search for these!!!

[asianguy80]

So if you were to compare these 939 Opty's to a SD 3700 of the same rating what would be the difference between the two? What advantages can be gained from running an opteron vs sd (of same rating)

I'm just asking for sake of comparison. I'd likly get a lower clocked version and oc the heck out of it.

[Vandi423]

Opterons are here. I could have had them by Friday but the owners weren't in a hurry.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37293

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37294


How many people in the US are actually looking for these? 10 Maybe?

[ozzimark]

Opterons are here. I could have had them by Friday but the owners weren't in a hurry.
it's nice to know that one of those is mine. now i just gotta do something about getting a s939 mobo and pci-e video card :p

[mongoled]

Someone needs to test those NOW!!!!!

This link may be useful for some

Look here for checking Opteron Specifications (http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/default.aspx)

[ozzimark]

Someone needs to test those NOW!!!!!

This link may be useful for some

Look here for checking Opteron Specifications (http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/default.aspx)
be sure that i will do extensive testing like i did with the newark 3700+ :D

also.. http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/details.aspx?opn=OSA144BNBOX :cool:

[Deathspawner]

Can't wait Ozzimark :D

[ozzimark]

me neither :cool:

for those wondering, vandi informed me of the stepping-week-batch:
CABNE 0530APMW

seems relatively new :toast:

[mongoled]

Looks like this thread is going to get very interesting in the next few weeks, hopefully we have found our new grail!!!

[over@locker886]

[QUOTE=over@locker886]

4279 includes VAT while 3596 doesn't. Try to contact Mr. Blaska or Mr. Hlousek to see if they can ship it to Hungary. Contacts (http://www.foxpc.cz/clanky/2219)

Thanks ;)

[dinos22]

Vandi

What's the deal with Dual Core models 165 and others.....I am hanging out for those I think as long as the reviews are OK

Dino


Opterons are here. I could have had them by Friday but the owners weren't in a hurry.


How many people in the US are actually looking for these? 10 Maybe?

[dinos22]

AMD is really pissing me off

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/03/amd_opteron_price_rise/

[ozzimark]

that's kinda old news, sorry bud. they did that so that people wouldn't go buying the $400 152 instead of the $850 fx-55 :toast:

[Vandi423]

165,170, and 175 models are all in stock and shipping.

EDIT: I've been looking back at old price lists and these things have been out since JULY! I didn't think people would be interested in these models so I never bothered to look and get the word out.

[dinos22]

I am taking action and drumming up support locally as these babies will be the CPUs to get as they fill the gaps in low end performance CPUs for us all

You'll need a login but it's worth it (one of my favourite forums) :)
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=409220

i borrowed a couple of screenies from here :D

[VulgarHandle]

165,170, and 175 models are all in stock and shipping.

EDIT: I've been looking back at old price lists and these things have been out since JULY! I didn't think people would be interested in these models so I never bothered to look and get the word out.


<--this guy is interested(me, lol)

any word on american resellers?

[dinos22]

that's kinda old news, sorry bud. they did that so that people wouldn't go buying the $400 152 instead of the $850 fx-55 :toast:
donno how old news this is but it's a good historical AMD pricing chart:
http://freespace.virgin.net/m.warner/CPUPricesAMD.htm

[ozzimark]

nice info. i like how the 152 is the only one that went up :D:D

[dinos22]

nice info. i like how the 152 is the only one that went up :D:D
true you are certainly correct about AMD's pricing strategy....I'm glad Intel is not too far behind because AMD is becoming a bit too relaxed I think

[ReelMonza]

What about 1XX X2 Opties ?

[dinos22]

What about 1XX X2 Opties ?
that's what 165, 170, 175 are ....just visit my link above....all summed up nicely

[ZoKi]

DAAMMNNNN i want one.. there gonna take 50years to come to australia :(

[ReelMonza]

I mean, they'll be available soon ?

[ozzimark]

I mean, they'll be available soon ?
probably. i would venture 1 month or so.

[dinos22]

165,170, and 175 models are all in stock and shipping.as the big man says ........

[Vandi423]

I really can't comment on when resellers will have them. But I can say that they are out there (Distribution Channel). I guess they think people won't buy them like the old 1xx Opterons. That is why AMD had to lower the price so much. They lose money when they are not being sold.

[dinos22]

I really can't comment on when resellers will have them. But I can say that they are out there (Distribution Channel). I guess they think people won't buy them like the old 1xx Opterons. That is why AMD had to lower the price so much. They lose money when they are not being sold.
if they are in distribution they are pretty much there......for you lucky buggers in the US of A

[VulgarHandle]

i think it's the japanese and the czech's that are teh winners

[alpha0ne]

The only downside (if you could call it that) for the 165 X2 is the x9 multi though that certainly does'nt effect its OC potential.........I THINK THEY ARE NICE :clap:

[robberbaron]

Opterons are here. I could have had them by Friday but the owners weren't in a hurry.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37293

[IMGhttp://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37294[/IMG]


How many people in the US are actually looking for these? 10 Maybe?
Hey it's my CPU!
I hope that mine is the one that *appears* taller. If Ozzi gets the tall one, then I'm going to be pissed, haha.
I'm stoked.

[ozzimark]

http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_35.jpg


look carefully at the sticker baron, looks like you did get the taller one :p:
i think i'll make a thread on it soon.

[mongoled]

Come on peeps,

when r us mere mortals gonna get to see wht these chips are clocking like, LOL.

Ozzimark and robberbaron show us the light, please

:D

Ive already got a friend of mine who has an online store in the UK to get them in stock, he tells me they will be available on the 27th!! I want to know before than how the chips are fairing, get too work, heheheeee

[ozzimark]

Come on peeps,

when r us mere mortals gonna get to see wht these chips are clocking like, LOL.
i'm hoping to have my motherboard by friday, monday at the latest. i'll let everyone know a few days after that how it does on stock cooling :toast:

[Vandi423]

Hey it's my CPU!
I hope that mine is the one that *appears* taller. If Ozzi gets the tall one, then I'm going to be pissed, haha.
I'm stoked.


Yes, you're getting the tall one. :D

EDIT: Ozzimark, cool! 2Day shipping! :D

[ozzimark]

yup! i was impressed. i had an email at 9:50 this morning saying that there was a package waiting for me at the post office. more like 1.5 day shipping :toast:

btw, stock heatsink sucks. tried my hand at lapping it, i think i need to get some lower grit sandpaper before i really put a dent in it (this was with 1500)
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_39.jpg

[mongoled]

yo Ozzy,

u need to lap that with rougher sand paper first then go to the lower type, 1500 aint bad, you should be getting a very polished surface with that. You using water or just plain emerald paper?

[LowRun]

Considering the machining marks and the fact that it's as flat as a bowl, i would start as low as 600 grit.

[mrlobber]

~4 guys are planning to get some 146's locally next week here :D

[ozzimark]

u need to lap that with rougher sand paper first then go to the lower type, 1500 aint bad, you should be getting a very polished surface with that. You using water or just plain emerald paper?
ya, i have to figure out where i put the lower grit stuff. i lapped that much with water.. not running though. getting it shiny isn't quite as important as getting it flat to me :D
got any reccomendations on what to do? :cool:


mrlobber, do let us know how they do :D

[tsuehpsyde]

Ouch Ozzi, that stock HSF sucks pretty bad. :slapass: Oh well, I'm sure you'll correct it in due time with your magical lapping skills. I'll just stick with my X2 cooler. :cool:

[dinos22]

:eek: heheheh i like the beach ball effect on the stock HSF.......man who's gonna wait until friday to see some OCing.....we are OC starved here....common dudes let's see what these can do

[VulgarHandle]

if you're gettin em w/ heatsinks, slap the stock on there, see how it does :woot:

[ozzimark]

if you're gettin em w/ heatsinks, slap the stock on there, see how it does :woot:
that was my plan, but i dunno if i can accept this thing unmodded :p:

[VulgarHandle]

that was my plan, but i dunno if i can accept this thing unmodded :p:


okay, okay, put some as5, and that's it :D lol

[VulgarHandle]

found an american sites that sells em

http://www.tritechcoa.com/pc-components/P2A2K1.html

http://www.techonweb.com/products/prodsearch.aspx?cid=B1A1A0AE

[trakslacker]

that was my plan, but i dunno if i can accept this thing unmodded :p:


haha! This is exactly why I love XS! :toast:

[ozzimark]

nice, they're actually in stock too. i wonder how reliable they are

[VulgarHandle]

well, there seems to be a whole slew of resellers selling them, just not the one's we're used to(newegg, monarch, etc....)

[ozzimark]

yeah, there are a bunch, but when i checked up with vandi last week, none of them were in stock yet.

[Vandi423]

Geez $10 for ground! :eek:

[VulgarHandle]

well, after comparing prices of similar products to newegg and monarch from techonweb, newegg and monarch might have them for 15-20 bucks cheaper, yay, but to wait.... , i been holdin off buildin a 939 for 6 months now..... can i wait a few more weeks.....

[mongoled]

:eek: heheheh i like the beach ball effect on the stock HSF.......man who's gonna wait until friday to see some OCing.....we are OC starved here....common dudes let's see what these can do

heheheee,

made my chuckle

:p:

ya, i have to figure out where i put the lower grit stuff. i lapped that much with water.. not running though. getting it shiny isn't quite as important as getting it flat to me
got any reccomendations on what to do?

LOL, you dont really need reccomendations do you, hehehehehe :).

What I do is place the emerald paper on a piece of glass (glass is usually very flat). I then start off from a very low grit surface (arnd 400/600) using water (not running) and sand away. I vary the sanding motion depending on the shape of the surface of the heatsink. Then you keep checking the surface of the heatsink until its color/shade/texture is the same across the whole surface. Once I see the color/shade/texture become universal I only use a circular motion for the sanding (both clockwise and anti-clockwise).

Once you got it to tht stage you can start using higher finer surfaces. Dont forget to rinse the emerald paper with clean water at regular intervals through the whole sanding process.

Hope this helps

[ozzimark]

haha, thanks. that's what i normally do, but for some reason, i just can't get the polished shine :(

[computersmsa]

Hi,

Yes ! Opteron 144

After XP-M, A64-M ... this CPU is a nice surprise of AMD !

[Pt1t]

Sounds good. We're talking about the 1.8GHz models right?


Sure :fact:

[ReelMonza]

This one ? (http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/2005/09/22/thumbnail/thumb220x165-images786898.jpg) :D

[Pt1t]

This one ? (http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/2005/09/22/thumbnail/thumb220x165-images786898.jpg) :D

not this one . it s an 165 and socket 940.

[computersmsa]

Edit : I will have Opteron 144 S939 OEM in about 15 days :D

[ReelMonza]

No, picture is from a Socket 939 Dual Core Opteron 165

http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/2005/09/22/images/images786898.jpg

http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/2005/09/22/images/images786897.jpg

[trakslacker]

ooooooooh, how much $ are we talkin for a S939 165?

[goodcooper]

i still don't see the point of these, but a 1.8ghz 1MB cache is a dream come true, esp at around 3000+,3200+ prices...

i was wanting to hold out on a 3800+ X2, but the 3000+s were temptingly cheap...

now that these are here, i'm willing to wait for a good 144/146 or even 165 (1.8ghz 1MB DC also a dream come true)

they should be cheaper than or about the same price as the 3800+ (willing to pay a few bucks more), according to Athlon 64 x2 naming conventions they would be the same...


1.8ghz 1MB (165) cache would = 2ghz 512k (3800+ X2)

a few easy steps and it becomes a 4800+ :D

[ozzimark]

the dual core opterons will not be cost effective.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPT301

Dual-Core AMD Opteron 175 (2.2ghz) $530
Dual-Core AMD Opteron 170 (2.0ghz) $475
Dual-Core AMD Opteron 165 (1.8ghz) $417

compared to
4400+ (2.2ghz) $537
4200+ (2.2ghz, 2x512kb) $482
3800+ (2.0ghz, 2x512kb) $354

if you plan on getting a 4400+, it might be worth it for the "better" silicon, but the 170 and 165 aren't worth it imo

[goodcooper]

sorry, the sig is old, i'll change it soon... i came to the conclusion that i don't want to spend that much on a cpu (4400+)

but it doesn't seem too bad.. i mean the $60 extra for the 165 over the 3800+ seems steep, but if you look at the next cheapest toledo being 140 more, it seems like a decent deal... (with intent to overclock)


opteron 175 = 4400+ right? 1meg caches, 2.2ghz

yet the opteron is $7 cheaper...

sounds cost-effective to me, just hard to compare a 512k cache model to a 1meg

the numbers go to your head (i'm a long time duron fan, so i know the effect of more cache is usually negligible, but u can't get around the numbers)

EDIT: also, the 'better silicon' story sounds like BS to me... they aren't going to bin the 165s and the 4400+s or the 144s and the 152s together...
the "opterons are for servers so they need to be more stable" argument is flawed, implies that AMD sells unstable desktop processors, not to mention a non ECC opteron is nothing but an Athlon, the only reason 1xx opterons ever existed is for the 940pin/ecc error checking memory, people who only needed a 1cpu server (or a simple workstation w/ ecc)

EDIT2: if they have better cores, its because they got 1 meg caches, not because "Opteron" is etched into the lid

[VulgarHandle]

well, i actually called tritechcoa.com and even tho their site says they're available, they're not, and won't be till Oct. 12th :(

i personally will prolly get a 144, because it is the xp-m of a64(minus the higher multipliers)

i know that moderate tccd will get 300+, and 300x9 1:1 w/ 1mb L2 for ~$140USD is a steal(assuming it hits 300x9)

[clayton]

175 is the way to go.

[alpha0ne]

I would have thought the 170 would give the best price/performance ratio, you can keep the x9 multi IMHO :)

[dinos22]

144 & 165 all the way :D

common guys let's see some benchmarks.....or I'm gonna have to fly to US/Brazil/Chech Republic/Hungary where ever there is stock and do it myself :slapass:

[Gogar]

lol for the last 2 weeks i've been checking monarch like every day for the 165.. let's see about today... nope :(

[dinos22]

what a load of :banana::banana::banana::banana:.......local retailer in Australia is quoting USD$660 for Opteron 165 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ...............they are dreaming ...............i'm sick of this bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: AMD pricing....it really needs to be regulated

[ozzimark]

common guys let's see some benchmarks.....
what benches would you like exactly?

[mongoled]

benchmarks, benchmarks!

Forget the benchmarks for the time being and clock for sucker first!!!!!!

:slap:

:banana:

:D

[mongoled]

benchmarks, benchmarks!

Forget the benchmarks for the time being and clock for sucker first!!!!!!

:slap:

:banana:

:D

Oh and then after tht clock 4 clock comparisson against other CPU's would be great, LOL

heheheheee

[ozzimark]

heh, all right. i plan on playing around with low voltages for the first couple of days.. start out with how low i can get vcore at stock mhz, and see how it scales with voltage up to stock :D

[Ugly n Grey]

EDIT: also, the 'better silicon' story sounds like BS to me... they aren't going to bin the 165s and the 4400+s or the 144s and the 152s together...
the "opterons are for servers so they need to be more stable" argument is flawed, implies that AMD sells unstable desktop processors, not to mention a non ECC opteron is nothing but an Athlon, the only reason 1xx opterons ever existed is for the 940pin/ecc error checking memory, people who only needed a 1cpu server (or a simple workstation w/ ecc)

EDIT2: if they have better cores, its because they got 1 meg caches, not because "Opteron" is etched into the lid

I can only speak to my own experiences. Have you every talked to someone in AMD? Had IBM and AMD show up on your doorstep and tell you why the Opty's are binned differently? I have and I promise that they spend money testing more thoroughly. Or they lie very well indeed. Either way, they got my attention.

The final retail price of a processor is not based on the costs that went into it, it's based on the market that the chip is selling into and what the competition is offering at the same price point.

I have not had a dead CPU in a single server yet from either the Xeon or Opteron family. That statement is not true of P4 or Athlon servers used in the small offices. I just pulled up the log.... out of 2000 servers world wide we have replaced 37 processor or processor boards in P4 or A64 based small office servers, no Xeons and no Opterons. I went back one year. Most common point of failure is PSU for those interested.

Take the data for what it's worth, my experience may not be yours.

Regards
UnG

[alpha0ne]

I do not have access to play with such huge resouces as you Ugly, only about 15 years experience playing with and building computers and I agree with you 100%...........cheap and nasty or just faulty PSU's account for nearly all CPU, mobo, HDD ect deaths then any other component

I recently cleaned out my spares/junk room after an 18 month buildup and I has 18 'kin PSU's that had smoked themselves and generally taking the mobo ect with it :rolleyes:,..................it seems they do not like to die alone :fact: :slapass:

[goodcooper]

server's based on athlons/p4s/celeron/sempron are generally using cheaper board/processor/memory and like you said power supply...

up until now, the premium on a motherboard that'd take an opteron or xeon is quite a bit higher than standard PCs... why? quality...

the same is true for power supplies

the chip may not be the only variable in your little comparison of 'bad processor replacements'

in a nutshell cheap servers have cheap parts in them, expensive xeon/opteron based servers have expensive parts in them, now if you don't agree that power supply and motherboards have anything to do with the life of a cpu, then we can end the conversation here

your findings are interesting, and not suprising really.. but they prove nothing of the quality of Opteron chips over Athlon 64 chips


EDIT: do you assume that if such is the case, every 144 should overclock to 154 speeds?
i doubt it,

but it doesn't make me want a 144 any less :slobber:

[Ugly n Grey]

your findings are interesting, and not suprising really.. but they prove nothing of the quality of Opteron chips over Athlon 64 chips


EDIT: do you assume that if such is the case, every 144 should overclock to 154 speeds?
i doubt it,

but it doesn't make me want a 144 any less :slobber:

Indeed my finding proves nothing, neither does your supposition that consumer grade and server grade chips are treated the same. Based on evidence at hand and first hand discussions with the companies involved, I'm inclined to believe they are treated differently. You of course may believe what you like, I am not forcing my opinion on you, just counterweighting your theory with my own experiences.

UnG

[shuRe]

I agree with Ugly and Grey in the opinion that server cpu's should be of slightly higher quality, i mean they are desinged to be run all day and night in confined spaces and handle ooodles of processing.

Although i agree thats its all speculation as AMD could be cheap and hope thier production methods are good enough quality for rebranding consumer cpu's to server cpu's. If that makes sense :)

[mongoled]

Well I got some info for peeps in the UK,

My favourite online retailer is pre-selling these, estimated date of arrival the 27th Sept.

CPUCity sells Opteron 144 :D (http://www.cpucityshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=882&osCsid=90717b6dfd8ba3b738b6f03a02c6f792)

Not a bad price I must say, a little more expensive than a 3000+ Venice but if they clock well then will be a real bargain!!

[dinos22]

what benches would you like exactly?
i meant to say OC the crap out of it and do some SuperPI/Mod1.4 runs :D

[dinos22]

we've got a :banana::banana::banana::banana:load of people interested in a "group buy" for Single and Dual Core Opterons at OCAU.......our retailers are clearly greedy or distributors should be shot....one of the two........anyone know where we could organise a group buy and what sort of dollars are we talking :)

[Vandi423]

You're going to have to contact the administrators of the forum to approve of this.

I've helped out Conrad and Saaya in the past. I also live pretty close to MaxxxRacer.

I could make this happen but group sales are not allowed on these forums. :(

2 more Opterons are going out today. You know who you are. ;)

[VulgarHandle]

yeah, get 1000 ppl together to get the 1000 unit cost from amd :D

[goodcooper]

You of course may believe what you like, I am not forcing my opinion on you, just counterweighting your theory with my own experiences.

UnG


excellent, this is what the forums are for, very enlightening conversation indeed :clap:



while driving in my car, i came across another tidbit of information that i could've added onto to the last post... i have an old server, and an old workstation here, both recently retired (last month) and both ran 24/7 nearly 365, both dually boards, an intel dual 370 and a (i'm wanting to say iwill) dual slot 2 workstation board, the dual 370 was packing ECC, but anyway, both machines contained DESKTOP chips (if you can call a slot2 P2 a desktop chip), the 370 board had a 933 P3.... no xeons here, but they lasted a long time i'd say



its what surrounds the chips that extends the life of it

now wheres the dam 144s, i want to buy two now, i'm fixin to build a soho server, and i can sell whichever one overclocks the worst :hrhr: :shiftyeyes:

[dogsx2]

I agree with Ugly and Grey in the opinion that server cpu's should be of slightly higher quality, i mean they are desinged to be run all day and night in confined spaces and handle ooodles of processing.

Although i agree thats its all speculation as AMD could be cheap and hope thier production methods are good enough quality for rebranding consumer cpu's to server cpu's. If that makes sense :)

You should run for PM of GB with that statement.

[saratoga]

Indeed my finding proves nothing, neither does your supposition that consumer grade and server grade chips are treated the same. Based on evidence at hand and first hand discussions with the companies involved, I'm inclined to believe they are treated differently. You of course may believe what you like, I am not forcing my opinion on you, just counterweighting your theory with my own experiences.

UnG

Testing chips does cost money, so its possible there are more detailed tests depending on the market they go into. However more testing mainly just implies a lower DOA rate. Theres no reason to believe that translates into a better clocked core, just one thats less likely to have been damaged and slipped through the cracks.

I have not had a dead CPU in a single server yet from either the Xeon or Opteron family. That statement is not true of P4 or Athlon servers used in the small offices. I just pulled up the log.... out of 2000 servers world wide we have replaced 37 processor or processor boards in P4 or A64 based small office servers, no Xeons and no Opterons. I went back one year. Most common point of failure is PSU for those interested.

This supports my suggestion that there may be better quality control on the Opteron, but doesn't say anything about how they're binned. Its just as likely that better Q&A allows AMD to more accurately bin cores, and thus higher clocked parts are less likely to be found marked as lower speed grades. We really have no evidence either way.

[mongoled]

Righty,

List of members who gonna have Opteron 939 CPU in their hands soon are:

robberbaron
ozzimark
unknown
unknown

thts a total of four (im brill at maths :)) all shipped from the same source. We are waiting for YOU guys to let us know whts going on with these babies. I log on each day waiting to see some results, only to see counter arguments of wht these chips will do

:stick:

Come on lucky Opteron 939 owners put the arguments to rest, soon.......

:toast:

[dinos22]

wouldn't be surprised to see some Japanese OCs here too

http://www.vrforums.com/showpost.php?p=1024659&postcount=3

[dogsx2]

wouldn't be surprised to see some Japanese OCs here too

http://www.vrforums.com/showpost.php?p=1024659&postcount=3

The way this thread is dragging along, I'd be surprised to see any benches or ss in any language.

[ArcTan]

wouldn't be surprised to see some Japanese OCs here too

http://www.vrforums.com/showpost.php?p=1024659&postcount=3maybe we can source some from chainbolt? not sure if he does it still

[dinos22]

maybe we can source some from chainbolt? not sure if he does it still
smart man....haven't thought of that :toast:

[gundamit]

Righty,

List of members who gonna have Opteron 939 CPU in their hands soon are:

robberbaron
ozzimark
unknown
unknown

thts a total of four (im brill at maths :)) all shipped from the same source. We are waiting for YOU guys to let us know whts going on with these babies. I log on each day waiting to see some results, only to see counter arguments of wht these chips will do

:stick:

Come on lucky Opteron 939 owners put the arguments to rest, soon.......

:toast:

It would be nice to get a larger sample of results to start drawing conclusions. Maybe more XS members can get on board next week with a new order. :stick:

[perry_78]

Just looking at it, I see the S939 CPUs in stock here:

http://alzasoft.cz/SearchAdvanced.asp?EXPS=opteron&x=0&y=0&NameSearch=1&CodeSearch=1&PartNumber=1

The 144 is priced very well, I know what my parents should get me in 2 weeks time when I go there ;) Same price as 3000+ Venice!

I don't see any sites with the dual core s939 opterons in stock though.

[perry_78]

Petre, nechtel by jsi to prelozit :)

[dogsx2]

Petre, nechtel by jsi to prelozit :)

Translation

[dogsx2]

heh, all right. i plan on playing around with low voltages for the first couple of days.. start out with how low i can get vcore at stock mhz, and see how it scales with voltage up to stock :D

I liked the good old days before low voltages. When you got a new cpu, you ripped it out of the box, threw it in the mb and cranked up the volts to see what the max was.

Where has the Xtreme in low volts?

[Ugly n Grey]

it's all relative, pump 1.9 through a venny.... that's extreme enough

[computersmsa]

Righty,

List of members who gonna have Opteron 939 CPU in their hands soon are:

robberbaron
ozzimark
unknown
unknown

thts a total of four (im brill at maths :)) all shipped from the same source. We are waiting for YOU guys to let us know whts going on with these babies. I log on each day waiting to see some results, only to see counter arguments of wht these chips will do

:stick:

Come on lucky Opteron 939 owners put the arguments to rest, soon.......

:toast:
50 Opteron 144 and maybe 5-10 146 for me in about 10 days.

[AgentVX]

Hey dinos22, we may have found our group buy supplier :D

50 Opteron 144 and maybe 5-10 146 for me in about 10 days.

[GMX]

what a load of :banana::banana::banana::banana:.......local retailer in Australia is quoting USD$660 for Opteron 165 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ...............they are dreaming ...............i'm sick of this bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: AMD pricing....it really needs to be regulated

typical Australian pricing...

I havnt logged on OCAU for a while, I might join the group buy:D

[VulgarHandle]

http://www.svethardware.cz/art_doc-6B438B1C5BEDB403C1257072003E6F56.html

translation anyone????

313x9=2816 w/ 1.472v!!!

[dogsx2]

http://www.svethardware.cz/art_doc-6B438B1C5BEDB403C1257072003E6F56.html

translation anyone????

313x9=2816 w/ 1.472v!!!

Did you read the first post of this thread?

[VulgarHandle]

grrrr, my bad, been a while since i've visited the first page, lol

[ZoKi]

50 Opteron 144 and maybe 5-10 146 for me in about 10 days.

Damn you :p:

any 165's ???

[computersmsa]

165 is too expesinve ...

[Gogar]

it's the cheapest 2x1MB dual-core though.. it's a steal imo

[computersmsa]

Yes, but it's 3x the price of 144 :stick:

[VulgarHandle]

Yes, but it's 3x the price of 144 :stick:


agreed


edit: but for those looking to get a 2mb x2, worth it

[mongoled]

ozzimark got his chip!!!!!

but is having ram problems :eek: but its ok, nothing to do with CPU! Phew, i think he likes teasing us, we want to see overclk soon please.

mong

[ozzimark]

Phew, i think he likes teasing us
:p:

i'll get a cool screen for you guys soon

[Absolute_0]

looking forward to it ozzi

[dinos22]

Hey dinos22, we may have found our group buy supplier :D:D


:banana:
I have lunch since 22 Sept, a sale of these CPU in french, now I have translate all !
=> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75024
Have fun :toast: (You need 100 post for see the topic)
since i cannot post in that link......let us know what the shipping would be to Australia(Sydney) for 20xCPUs....PM i guess



typical Australian pricing...

I havnt logged on OCAU for a while, I might join the group buy:Dyeah bloody Nintek with their rip off prices

[dogsx2]

Finally, some more results.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75063

[ozzimark]

i'm about to make a thread about my 144 now :toast:

[dinos22]

Finally, some more results.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75063
what did i say about Japs ;)

[eliminate]

yeah its expensive, but it was well worth it, and good luck with the xtreme overclocking ozzimark.

[alpha0ne]

maybe we can source some from chainbolt? not sure if he does it still

Thats about as likely to happen as me wining lotto, an intel pimp flogging off a superior product from AMD :wierd: :rolleyes:

chainbolt is nothing but an intel pimp :kissbutt: who is well known for abusing his position to pimp intel at any and every opportunity --- :fact:

[ArcTan]

Thats about as likely to happen as me wining lotto, an intel pimp flogging off a superior product from AMD :wierd: :rolleyes:

chainbolt is nothing but an intel pimp :kissbutt: who is well known for abusing his position to pimp intel at any and every opportunity --- :fact:lol I think he turned intel fanboy after crushing all those axp cores

[alpha0ne]

lol I think he turned intel fanboy after crushing all those axp cores

Hehe it went far past being just a "fanboy" a long time ago, NO WAY would ANY person post ~ 10000 threads soley pimping intel would not be getting more than a few "favours" from intel :rolleyes:

edit: and yes, it does say OVER TEN THOUSAND

[ArcTan]

Hehe it went far past being just a "fanboy" a long time ago, NO WAY would ANY person post ~ 10000 threads soley pimping intel would not be getting more than a few "favours" from intel :rolleyes:

edit: and yes, it does say OVER TEN THOUSANDI'm sure he's earning enough working for porsche in Japan ;)

[Nephilim]

:D

since i cannot post in that link......let us know what the shipping would be to Australia(Sydney) for 20xCPUs....PM i guess

yeah bloody Nintek with their rip off prices

Can't find them on Nintek :confused:
Pluscorp seem resonably priced but they don't have ETA on the site that I can see.

Are you guys organising a group buy? Let me know if you can source any 165 s939's yet :)

[AgentVX]

Can't find them on Nintek :confused:
Pluscorp seem resonably priced but they don't have ETA on the site that I can see.

Are you guys organising a group buy? Let me know if you can source any 165 s939's yet :)

Nah I think we all ordered from Pluscorp. If you're an OCAU member, check the sponsor section for their Opteron pre-order thread (ETA dates are somewhere in there towards the end). They have 3 175 chips in stock and waiting to be bought, IIRC.

[mundi]

Have a question for author this excelent article and too for next knowleague,
I have CABGE 0532SPBW
know that best are CABNE and at this way have question,
all set CABNE have TMaxCase 65 C ?? :confused:
is it matter if 0532 or 0540XYZZ atd. ??

[MonkSP]

Does anyone think an Opteron 148 will do 300x11 with air (XP-90C + 50 cfm Fan)?

[dogsx2]

Does anyone think an Opteron 148 will do 300x11 with air (XP-90C + 50 cfm Fan)?


Not going to happen.

[Petr]

Have a question for author this excelent article and too for next knowleague,
I have CABGE 0532SPBW
know that best are CABNE and at this way have question,
all set CABNE have TMaxCase 65 C ?? :confused:
is it matter if 0532 or 0540XYZZ atd. ??
No idea. But I don't think TCaseMax value depends on batch number. It's more likely it depends on quality of silicon used and therefore the chips manufactured on the same week may perform equally.