Poor 7800GTX :(

[ingentingmendeg]

reah here, http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25807

[Sloppy]

I tried clicking the link, but your sig :bananal:

Anyways, that's some weak sauce. They got caught with there pants down for sure :stick: :fact:

[ingentingmendeg]

hehe indeed, and my sig lol. does it play in slow motion for you? or normal. i use firefox and it plays in normal speeds.

[einCe]

nviiiidiiiaaa you got some splaining to dooooo

[Major_A]

They are already working on a driver that fixes it, 78.03. From what I've read at different forums most of the 7800GTX owners don't even notice the issue.

[ingentingmendeg]

lol, so this is why ati might be taking a long time to produce a GOOD card. man nvidia rush'd the 7800GTX to soon just to be #1 and it failed :(.

[Major_A]

It's not the card, as previously mentioned. It's the driver.

[ingentingmendeg]

nah its the card fo sho

[einCe]

they cheated, period.

[Gaspar]

Ive owned both the X800XT PE and now the 7800GTX and I can visually say that the 7800GTX looks a lot better in the games I play. And by the way Im an ATI guy by default too.

[ingentingmendeg]

they cheated, period.

exactly, and good old Ati is taking there time to make a massive card :woot: unlike what nvidia did :rolleyes:

[Major_A]

ATi has been caught doing the same thing. This isn't a one sided argument. I have no brand allegiance, it's just dumb to defend a product. However I don't understand how you want us to help you find a 6800 UEE card then vehemently say nVidia sucks and are a bunch of crooks.

ATi isn't taking their time, they are having a hard time yeilding working results. That isn't speculation, it's a fact.

[Sentential]

nviiiidiiiaaa you got some splaining to dooooo
Exactally. :nono: :slapass:

[ingentingmendeg]

ATi has been caught doing the same thing. This isn't a one sided argument. I have no brand allegiance, it's just dumb to defend a product. However I don't understand how you want us to help you find a 6800 UEE card then vehemently say nVidia sucks and are a bunch of crooks.

ATi isn't taking their time, they are having a hard time yeilding working results. That isn't speculation, it's a fact.

if ati has been caught, wheres the link?

[RaZz!]

just do a research with a searchengine...

and "fo sho" it's not a hardware problem. as already said, it's only the driver. just go into the xtreme systems news-forum and have a look at the "nvidia cheating again?"-thread. THX!

[Sloppy]

hehe indeed, and my sig lol. does it play in slow motion for you? or normal. i use firefox and it plays in normal speeds.


Normal speed here

[ingentingmendeg]

Normal speed here

odd, for some people it plays it slow mo. :rolleyes:

[Major_A]

if ati has been caught, wheres the link?
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028182511&postcount=3
Look at his handle below his screen name. This guy knows what he's talking about.

[toledo]

lol, so this is why ati might be taking a long time to produce a GOOD card. man nvidia rush'd the 7800GTX to soon just to be #1 and it failed :(.

Lets try to be impartial ;) . If they not get it fixed in the next drivers and r520 apresent better performance we can say Nvidia "failed " otherwise it is bull**** .

[ingentingmendeg]

say whatever you believe in. nobody has to agree with me and Sentential but i still think nvidia wanted to be #1 for a good chunk of time and rushed the 7800GTX.

[ingentingmendeg]

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028182511&postcount=3
Look at his handle below his screen name. This guy knows what he's talking about.

he doesent have a link of proof though like the inq did. :eek:

[Major_A]

The [H]ard|OCP video card reviewer has less credit to you than theinquirer.net? Enough said, you obviously have some type of bias or blind arrogance.

Man that was tough....took all of 2 seconds (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ati+over+optimizing&btnG=Google+Search)

[ingentingmendeg]

The [H]ard|OCP video card reviewer has less credit to you than theinquirer.net? Enough said, you obviously have some type of bias or blind arrogance.

Man that was tough....took all of 2 seconds (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ati+over+optimizing&btnG=Google+Search)

it looks like we found ourselves a Nvidia fanboy :eek:

[Super strokey]

I dont know how you can say the gtx was really rushed. Nvidia skipped the speed bump that ati did and isnt teh GTX based off the same design as the 6800 series just beefed up?

BTW i love the sig too!

[Pinnacle]

The title of the thread should say poor 7800 and 6800 :(

Unlike some I CAN notice the issue on my Ultra

[ingentingmendeg]

lol nice one pinnacle. see Ati doesent really have this problem, the thread should be called "poor nvidia" hehe

[IYP]

:banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana::banana::banana::banana:in :banana::banana::banana::banana: sucking :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana:s .....:banana::banana::banana::banana:.....

[Pinnacle]

I have test driven the 7800 6800 and x850 and the x850 is the best card. PERIOD

Its very reliable.

[Major_A]

it looks like we found ourselves a Nvidia fanboy :eek:
Please don't insult me with a dumbass geek speak title. I buy what gives me the most performance for what I can afford. I have zero brand loyalty, except for Marlboro, yes smoking is a disgusting habit/addiction. If PC Chips were to make a badass product tomorrow I would probably pick it up next time I needed to upgrade. Buying something alone by the name can get you burned. How do you think those "fanboys" felt when they bought the 5800 Ultra?

Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you own the 5800 Ultra?

[drcrawn]

it looks like we found ourselves a Nvidia fanboy :eek:

First of all, there are like 3 other threads here about this. Secondly, don't call people fanboys, it's insulting and unnecessary.

Thirdly, nVidia probably knew exactly what they were doing IMO, I mean, they knew some of the 6800 line had broken WMV acceleration and they took those to market anyway. Simply put, I don't trust nVidia to be honest to its customers, mostly because of the WMV issue of the nv40.

As for this over-optimizing thing...the truth will come out eventually. NVidia doesn't care though, they are selling these cards like hotcakes with ZERO competition from ATI. ATI is in real trouble IMO if their next card doesn't match or better a 7800GTX.

[IYP]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08/26/g70_texture_shimmer/

[Major_A]

Apple OS X on AMD Laptop
Wed: 08.31.05 | 4:22P | OS | PermaLink
BY: COLIN SUN
Neat, Apple OS X runs just fine on AMD processors as well. nVIDIA's new driver will fix optimisations, personally I don't think its a big deal, ATi does this too. Wow Xbox 360 games will require a lot of space, apparently DVD's won't be enough! Nintendo patents in game insanity, that's just great.
FULL STORY @ THEINQUIRER
Taken from http://www.pcstats.com/ frontpage.

[Disposibleteen]

Why would this be "poor" 7800GTX, optimizing is wrong to do, it should say shame on nvidia, please fix this terrible wrongdoing!

[ingentingmendeg]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08/26/g70_texture_shimmer/

ROFL, nice article. and no, i never did own a 5800 ultra, aka vacuum. :eek:

[Hicks]

This explains a lot for me!!!!!!!!!! i think.

By flickering, does it mean like flickering, wobbly text? I can see it when i read text sometimes, on like Demo Isntallers, etc, things like that?

[Sc4mpi]

only problem iv ever seen texture wise is in bf2 on the first map (powerstation one) . the building near the right stack. its windows flicker black and grey :S other than that iv never noticed anything.

[dnavarro]

How is optimizing wrong to do??? It is a smart way to improve performance and both companies do it. Have you not read this thread? Both ATI and NVIDIA do the same types of AF optimizing. In fact ATI had a Developer chat regarding this last year. I think the link with HardOCP's Video Card editor says it best

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028182662&postcount=13

Too many fanboys and not enough people that know how to READ.

Fact is ATI is hurting and NVIDIA was smart and released the 7800GTX when it did. Lets hope the r520 is good because it is NVIDIA that needs some competition not the other way around.

And from what I have read NVIDIA's beta driver already has fixed the shimmering with little to no performance difference.

D


And for the record I want to buy an r520 just as bad as everyone else. Lets hope the freakin release it!

[moonlightcheese]

i don't often post or read forums like these for one reason: everyone in these forums is partial. here's why discussions like these are both ignorant and pointless:
1) this is not a hardware issue. any graphics card is capable of anisotropic filtering. my old ATi7800 AGP 2x can do anisotroptic filtering. it's the drivers that hold back the hardware. this is true in all cases. both of these cards have equivalent capabilities (shader model 3.0, AF, AA, etc). saying that nVidia "cheated" by making a card that has no AF capabilities is outright slander. it's a driver issue. deal with it fanboy.
2) drivers CONSTANTLY change. one day ATi may be on top. their 850 has a higher clock speed and more bandwidth than the Ultra (in theory) and their next driver update may take advantage of a feature that was previously unavailable. the same goes for the Ultra where they have... what is it... something like 16 pixel pipes? their next driver update will probably take care of these "shimmer" issues with AF. the point is, graphics hardware is limited by the driver. that hardware means NOTHING without the means to use it.
3) an advantage of like 1.1FPS means NOTHING. if i were to put a x850XT in my comp as opposed to a 6800Ultra i'd see a difference in frame rates that can EASILY change with the next driver update. why am i not comparing the X850 to a 7800GTX? price range. you cannot compare two cards with a price difference of $100 regardless of which is the better performer. it doesn't matter that ATi doesn't have a card in the range of the GTX because they aren't priced competitively.

nVidia is on top right now. that's proven in benchmarks all over the board. it has nothing to do with AF. the card has AF, it just hasn't been optimized in the driver yet. you cannot deny that you will get better performance from a 7800GTX than a X850XT. all of the ATi fans are sore because ATi is takin too long to release Crossfire and they have nothing to compete with the 7800GTX right now.

I have news for you, Crossfire (from preliminary reviews on Anandtech.com) is just as infantile as SLI. it still uses x8 on both PCIe cards and doesn't offer any more performance gain than SLI. SLI is already ahead of Crossfire with SLI x16 coming soon.

stop crying and realize the facts. ATi is behind. and i would be just as soon to point this out if it were nVidia in the dust.

[Pinnacle]

Nvidia just release a new driver: 78.03 and look what the notes say

Improved High Quality performance setting on GeForce 7 series to reduce shimmering artifacts

This better work for me

[spruce]

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2403/gtr8bj.th.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtr8bj.jpg)

I wish I never bought one of these P.O.S. nvidia cards. This is with the new beta drivers. look how jagged and broken the lines in the distance are. thats 4x SSAA and 16x AF to boot. It looks even worse when the car is moving

my old x800xtpe looked 10 times better. :(

[Pinnacle]

[IMG][URL=http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtr8bj.jpg][IMG]

my old x800xtpe looked 10 times better. :(


so did mine :(

you know whats worse? my old old old geforce 4 looks better then my 7800GTX

[spruce]

that picture is with there new drivers. I just emailed BFG about a refund. lol Even though the card was bought from the egg.(Egg will exchange only)

[Major_A]

Man that does look awful. What game is that?

[Pinnacle]

that picture is with there new drivers. I just emailed BFG about a refund. lol Even though the card was bought from the egg.(Egg will exchange only)


BFG wouldnt do jack. If you can still exchange at EGG DO IT!!

[spruce]

its GTR.


exchanging it wont help lol.

[Major_A]

Found this... I wanted to see if the game actually supported AA. Reason I say that is some games don't or the function is broken. Here is what I found.
Moreover, antialiasing seems to activate and deactivate depending on the complexity of the current scene. So while the game looks smoothly antialiased some of the time, it seems substantially more ragged elsewhere. These graphical hassles are most evident at the start of a race, or at any other time a large number of cars are grouped together, and the resulting impact can be sincerely frustrating.
Source: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/gtr/printable_6128535.html

[spruce]

well my x800xtpe had no I/Q problems with the same game. This is an Nvidia problem, My ati card looked perfect in the same game/games

my picture is not at the start of the race nor are there other cars around. Its just horrid I/Q from nvidia once again.

I love having a 500.00 card that looks like onboard graphics :rolleyes:

[Kabouter]

They are already working on a driver that fixes it, 78.03. From what I've read at different forums most of the 7800GTX owners don't even notice the issue.

Correct, never noticed it, I guess it's one of those things you only notice once you've read about it and thus start paying attention to. And that's when it gets annoying too.

[kiwi]

Who will send me the card to test out? :D Can't really say anything till I see this myself. However, 7800 is still better for braking benchmark records

:toast:

[ingentingmendeg]

Major A, now do you belive me? 7800GTX is a bad card.

[Major_A]

You're right, how could I be so blind? The 7800GTX is a junk. I mean look it can only play some games better than a 6800 Ultra SLi setup. And the new AA they have implemented looks horrible. HL2 has never looked so bad. What's up with being able to buy the card the same day of the release? I mean usually you have to wait a couple months before you can pick one up without being gouged. nVidia must have been the birth child of the anti-Christ.

[dnavarro]

Major A, why do you even bother? 99% of the posters in this thread are blind FanATIcs. Obviously most of the unbiased know ATI got there feathers ruffled by the great card...the 7800GTX. In fact, this poll on HardOCP shows many are not even at all interested in the r520 anymore. They either bought "the crap" that is the 7800GTX or are waiting until next year.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=949812

D

[CandymanCan]

As i jumped the ball and decited to give nvidia another chance whe ni got my 6800GT along time ago, im glad i didnt do it this time, i feal sorry for the poor people who bought there crappy 7800's.

Nvidia is justa crappy company who half ass's everything they make cept the Nforce chipset's.

As much as i like my 6800GT, i wish i picked the x800 box up in compusa last year instead. :/

Im really upset how nvidia thinks they can get away this again.

[Nanometer]

ATI is stupid, 3 months after the 6800 Ultra was released, ATI started crying and overclocked and tweaked their x800 chipset and relaunched it and turned it into the x850 them to make themselves feel better. The x800 PEs just disappeared. I'm so glad ATI spends their time like that. Now ATI has had problems after problems getting their new chipsets to deliver at speed, can somebody remind all of us how many times this has happened with this ever so distant chipset? Since ATI has NOTHING to play against Nvidia's new flag ship card, you can't argue about anything.

ingentingmendeg- Stop making peevish remarks..

P.S. I personally own a 7800GTX and am very pleased with its performance.

[sideeffect]

Yes this is just a driver hack to make the card look better than it is. The actual hardware on the card is whats important. It has 24 pixel pipelines so its the fastest card thats available to buy so it cant be junk ....

I think its really good that people are monitoring the quality though makes it better for all of us. Still though without these driver hacks the 7800 would still be faster than anything else available.

I had a ATI 9500 then a 9800 pro and now a 6800GT and ive been happy with them all. Probably cause i bought them all when they were cheap :p:

[Think]

Holy $hit. Not again!. What the hell is wrong with Nvidia?

Incredible.

[i found nemo]

nah its the card fo sho



lol biased much?

[ingentingmendeg]

lol biased much?
:stick:

[Tulatin]

ah, gotta love how some good old fashioned cheating is called "optimizing" now

[Think]

Major A, why do you even bother? 99% of the posters in this thread are blind FanATIcs. Obviously most of the unbiased know ATI got there feathers ruffled by the great card...the 7800GTX. In fact, this poll on HardOCP shows many are not even at all interested in the r520 anymore. They either bought "the crap" that is the 7800GTX or are waiting until next year.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=949812

D

I can't wait until next year. FEAR will be released in October and even though I've had some pretty good experiences with Nvidia, most of what I've appreciated in the pc gaming experience has been from ATI. I will definitley buy the r520 as soon as it comes out and preferrably by ATI. There warranty policy is much better then those from other manufacturers like Sapphire.

[Tulatin]

Hmm, i'm not a fanATIc. So shut up and think before posting.

[Tulatin]

Not you think, it was @ dnavarro

[Think]

I was wondering. Thanks for the clarification :)

[Tulatin]

t'welcome :)

[IFMU]

That is enough. Period. The next person to flame anyone will be taking a vacation. Directed at anyone screaming fanboy or anyone telling others to 'shut up'.

IFMU