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situman

08-25-2005, 01:19 PM

ATI is supposedly going to announce show off some "new exciting" stuff on the 26th. I couldnt exactly find the link, but I hope its not more vaporware and some real hardwares.

cantankerous

08-25-2005, 01:24 PM

Where did you hear of new info being released? Who knows it could be good news.

Mr. Tinker

08-25-2005, 01:38 PM

This is the AMD section. Hello?

Kunaak

08-25-2005, 03:06 PM

This is the AMD section. Hello?

not anymore ;)

Entity_Razer

08-25-2005, 03:10 PM

most likly a release date or a status update.

and whats with the anti-ATI attitude. ATI in my opinion has proven itsself more then once what its capable of. So has Nvidia so both should get the full respect they are intitled to

Gibson

08-25-2005, 04:03 PM

Where did you hear of new info being released? Who knows it could be good news.

he's talking about this event -> http://www.sydneyshowground.com.au/index.asp?PageType=EventDetail&ID=86&SectionID=1

situman

08-25-2005, 04:10 PM

i figure they might finally FORMALLY announce a true release date for their AMD xfire chipset. Or they just might announce something they might release 5yrs later.

Cybercat

08-25-2005, 06:12 PM

I'm not expecting anything really new.

[XC] leviathan18

08-25-2005, 06:25 PM

maybe they would care to explain the new army of x800 cards

Tanktanium

08-25-2005, 06:51 PM

Maybe they'll demo R520 cards :o I'd like to see some performance numbers from those...

n00b 0f l337

08-25-2005, 09:15 PM

its the 26th here.. I cant wait...

babyelf

08-25-2005, 09:27 PM

i'll take pics :P

2 days..

26th = non public
27th = public

:D

cooter

08-25-2005, 09:56 PM

I hope they let us konw when we can see the crossfire mobos

perkam

08-25-2005, 10:23 PM

Thank You for the Move Kunaak. :)

Perkam

Afterburner

08-26-2005, 01:48 AM

Any update......its already in 1848hrs in Sydney :stick:

don_vercetti

08-26-2005, 03:00 AM

bump
any news yet? I'd love it to be something like "suprise, here's r520, get it in shops now" but i fear it'll be more like "well chaps, r520 is coming along nicely, you might well be able to buy it in a month or two".

Afterburner

08-26-2005, 05:15 AM

Grayskull......any comments. Its already past Trade Day in Sydney. Care to enlighten us...... :)

Gibson

08-26-2005, 05:54 AM

I saw this in other forum

"Hi Guys,
Just came back from the Australia launch event.

They didn't launch or talk much about R520, but instead 'launched' Crossfire locally.

But they did have a working next gen GPU at the scene and it'll be safe to assume it to be the R520. It was doing realtime decoding of H.264.

From the answers I got, crossfire should ship within the month and next gen will be launched within 50-60 days. Performance is higher than 7800, and the ultra, should it ever come to it.

Other than that, no tech details were divulged."

Dunno if this is true or not... :\

Afterburner

08-26-2005, 06:37 AM

Man.....that sounds boring if its true :slapass:

.sentinel

08-26-2005, 06:47 AM

Afterburner why do you say it is boring. Now we know when Crossfire is released and is shipping soon and that the R520 pwns the 7800 and it will be launched within 50-60 Days or two months.

Vapor

08-26-2005, 06:50 AM

Performance better than the Ultra if it ever comes? Is that one of the least logical things he could have said? When ATi releases the R520XTpeomfgilovecrackandhookers, what would stop nV from just releasing a card later on slightly different tech that is significantly better? Saying it's better than anything that will come is convoluded, how can he know that?! How can ATi know that?

speed bump

08-26-2005, 07:23 AM

Performance is higher than 7800, and the ultra, should it ever come to it.

If this card is so great why is it taking them so long to luanch it? To me it sounds like a used car salesman trying to convince you to buy a car from him before you've seen it.

Gibson

08-26-2005, 07:31 AM

Performance better than the Ultra if it ever comes? Is that one of the most least logical things he could have said? When ATi releases the R520XTpeomfgilovecrackandhookers, what would stop nV from just releasing a card later on slightly different tech that is significantly better? Saying it's better than anything that will come is convoluded, how can he know that?! How can ATi know that?

Im pretty sure both companies have insiders leaking stuff :banana:

Another rumour is that the NDA for the r520 ends today. Real? :\

"r520 bundle will have the game Duke Nuken Forever" lol I read this joke and couldnt stop laughing... Terrible since im a ATIfanboy

*EDIT* Fresh news from TheInquirer - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25730 lol? :clap: :nono:

highoctane

08-26-2005, 07:38 AM

Looks like the r520 may very well be a 16 pipe part http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25730

Vapor

08-26-2005, 07:59 AM

Im pretty sure both companies have insiders leaking stuff :banana:

*snip*

*EDIT* Fresh news from TheInquirer - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25730 lol? :clap: :nono:Yes, I'm also sure they have some info about each other that we don't have, but there simply is no Ultra. The Ultra that everyone is alluding to is very likely higher clocking 90nm version of the G70, possibly with more pipes, which would much more logically be under the 7900 nomenclature.

Anyway, my point is that there is little way ATi knows what nV has later to that degree. NV50 (G80) is still on the burner, 90nm G70 is around the corner and will very likely be >500MHz (heck the 110nm version sells at 490MHz :rolleyes: ). I'm just saying that the guy on the other forum simply has little basis to stand on--lots can change in the nV camp once R520 is released (16 pipes and all--wtf?!).

He wants to tell us how good it is? Give us some damn numbers.

Afterburner

08-26-2005, 10:42 AM

Afterburner why do you say it is boring. Now we know when Crossfire is released and is shipping soon and that the R520 pwns the 7800 and it will be launched within 50-60 Days or two months.
Exactly my point.....I (we) have been waitin for many months already for R520 and its still up to another 60 days !! Jeez.......I am not gona wait any longer and will pick up a 7800GT and use it till R600 arises :slapass:

metro.cl

08-26-2005, 03:52 PM

any updates??

babyelf

08-26-2005, 11:14 PM

http://www.comeapart.com/babyelf/DSCN2662.JPG

:D

n00b 0f l337

08-26-2005, 11:26 PM

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaay!

shadowing

08-27-2005, 12:24 AM

http://www.comeapart.com/babyelf/DSCN2662.JPG

:D

Yay!! Finally it is released... :D

LOE

08-27-2005, 01:09 AM

mrlobber

08-27-2005, 02:03 AM

http://www.comeapart.com/babyelf/DSCN2662.JPG

:D

Damn, where? :shock2:

C Stat B

08-27-2005, 09:01 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2512 - it might be this?

CTKP

08-27-2005, 09:05 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2512 - it might be this?

Doubtful.
Most likely X850XT(PE?) Crossfire edition cards.

n00b 0f l337

08-27-2005, 09:25 AM

Too bad it looks like its a amd lanparty board. I want to see intel xfire!!!

Jort

08-27-2005, 10:22 AM

DilTech

08-27-2005, 12:31 PM

http://www.comeapart.com/babyelf/DSCN2662.JPG

:D

Wait.....

Am I the only one who notices the sticker on that AMD heatsink?...

3.2G processor???? It didn't seem like AMD put that sticker on the 3200's..

WHAT CHIP IS THAT?

n00b 0f l337

08-27-2005, 12:53 PM

3.2g... g = 1000... 3200?

metro.cl

08-27-2005, 02:02 PM

Wait.....

Am I the only one who notices the sticker on that AMD heatsink?...

3.2G processor???? It didn't seem like AMD put that sticker on the 3200's..

WHAT CHIP IS THAT?

noticed the same thing i dunno if g =1000.

any benchs?

eva2000

08-29-2005, 06:37 AM

Damn, where? :shock2:
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=762 :)

Entity_Razer

08-29-2005, 06:47 AM

LOL

I really enjoy myself when ATI ppl talk like that. They will launch a card that is rumored to have ONLY 16 pipes, that will be faster than the still unreleased 7800 ultra with yet to be decided clock speed and pipes.

That's highly possible if they delay the 520 for one more year. :) Cause I still remember ati guys showing off with news like "520 is ready" "chips are chopped" even before nvidia had a word about the G70. There are 2 7800 selling now, and still no r520.

Pipecount doesn't tell a thing :)

The 9700 series card and up had less or the same ammount of pipelines as Nvidia had and they where 1.3 times as effective. 16*1.3 = 20.8 so in order to get the speed of 24 peipes they'd need :
24/16 = 1.5 times the performance of a "normal" shader. This could happen if they partially use a unified shader architecture or if they just "updated" their shaders to their latest tech.

So don't say it's gonna suck before its even released :) I'm no ATI fanboy but I think ATI (as Nvidia) has proven itsself more then once. BTW also keep in mend 90nm = less heat = more possibility for more transistors on the die .... a LOT of options are possible.

we'll see

don_vercetti

08-29-2005, 02:05 PM

The 9700 series card and up had less or the same ammount of pipelines as Nvidia had and they where 1.3 times as effective. 16*1.3 = 20.8 so in order to get the speed of 24 peipes they'd need :
24/16 = 1.5 times the performance of a "normal" shader. This could happen if they partially use a unified shader architecture or if they just "updated" their shaders to their latest tech.

That may be the case, but there pipes are also significnatly more in-efficient. Roughly speaking (we'll assume 6800u=x800xt) the 6800 was clocked at 400mhz, the x800xt was clocked at 500mhz. These two cards are roughly the same speed (each a little faster than the other in various things...depended on optimisations). This means the x800xt needed 25% more on the core to roughly match the 6800. Which more or less makes up for this 1.3 thing better you're on about. Now since the 7800 is often sold at at least 490mhz, that means that (through very rough calculations, assuming minimal architecture change on either side (not true, i know)) that if pipelines remain similar, then if r520 is released with 24 pipes it will have to be clocked to at least 540mhz to equal a stock 7800gtx fillrate.

Bottom line is, unless ATI can pull some killer clocks, have some serious optimizations, or have totally changed how things work, then they have there work cut out for them.

Cybercat

08-29-2005, 02:07 PM

Pipecount doesn't tell a thing :)

The 9700 series card and up had less or the same ammount of pipelines as Nvidia had and they where 1.3 times as effective.
the FX series had closer to half as many pipes as the 9700 actually.

DilTech

08-29-2005, 02:08 PM

don_vercetti

08-29-2005, 02:17 PM

the FX series had closer to half as many pipes as the 9700 actually.

i thought it was a 4x2 versus 8x1 thing. So the FX had 2 shaders per unit, but only 4 units and ATI had 8 units, with a shader each. So ATI won.

Cybercat

08-29-2005, 02:55 PM

People are forgetting, the 7800gtx has TWO shaders units per pixel pipeline, which makes the 7800gtx pipes MUCH more effective than the 6800's. This is why at high rez it walks all over everything on the market.
Actually the high resolution performance is more dependent on the ROPs and the memory bandwidth. The two shader units are akin to the original GF6 architecture, only they further improved it by adding two ALUs to each unit in the GF7, making a maximum of 10 shader OPs per cycle per pipeline possible, or 240 OPs per cycle, or 103.2 million OPs per second. The GF6 can do a max of 8 OPs per cycle per pipe. For comparison, the R300 architecture (still fundamentally used in the X800 series) can do 4 shader OPs per cycle per pipe. The R520 is rumored to be able to do 7 OPs.

As it is there isn't anything that really makes use of the extremely powerful shader architecture of the GF7. Games and such are usually CPU-limited, and in order to circumvent that you have to increase the resolution and AA/AF by quite a bit, resulting in performance that's limited by the ROPs and memory bandwidth of the card. Because of this, the shader engine still isn't getting stressed. Hell even 3DMark05 has a new-found dependency on the CPU ever since the 7800GTX came out. It may not be until the Unreal Engine 3 before it gets to show its stuff.

i thought it was a 4x2 versus 8x1 thing. So the FX had 2 shaders per unit, but only 4 units and ATI had 8 units, with a shader each. So ATI won.
No, it had four pipes and two texture units in each. The FX series was essentially a souped-up GF4 Titanium, built for DX7/8 and early OpenGL engines that were texture-bound. As we all know, by the time tests using DX9 came about, it was found to be very ill-equipped to handle the new age of shading. The R300's 8 pipelines and powerful new architecture were in a league of their own, in comparison. It's clear ATI had a better view of the future of technology during that generation.