Sossaman and Yonah benchmarked

[LOE]

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/prozessoren/intel/2005/august/idf_benchmarks_sossaman_yonah/

Actually I expected a bit more... from what the chart shows I see that the new CPU's are no better than the X2 Mhz for Mhz. Hopefully the .06 generation will be able to scale at least till 3 Ghz

The X2 3800+ beats the dualcore 2Ghz yohan. Also power consumption is not as low as as expected, I think when AMD shift to .06u they will get about the same power figures... probably even better. Currently 2Ghz athlons hover around 30-40W under load per core

Also I think in other than video rending tests yohans will be even slower, cause it is sure that intel will choose the best bench for them to show of the new CPUs.

Anyway, things are much better than the current dual core CPUs Intel has. It's sure that a lot of ppl will miss the dual core xtreme edition in the cold winter days :)

Congrats intel
It's funny how after 4 years of pushing the P4 intel brings back to life the good old P3 and pumps it's muscles.

[rick_fx]

Not too impressive, I was expecting a little better than that also

[Vapor]

I expected a little less than that, tbh. I mean, the 4800+ has a lot higher clockspeed (60% higher) and a better memory management system for the two cores. Yonah isn't really much more than a siamese pair of Dothans with a few instruction optimizations.

Granted, it won't scale linearly with clockspeed from 1.5GHz to whatever the final clockspeed is.

[DilTech]

The 2ghz yonah even lost to the x2 3800+, wow... This is the chip that the intel fanboys have been claiming to put AMD out of the game??? :lol2: :rotf: :rotf: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[2fink]

The 2ghz yonah even lost to the x2 3800+, wow... This is the chip that the intel fanboys have been claiming to put AMD out of the game??? :lol2: :rotf: :rotf: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

we all have to wait until it comes to the open market. you dont know if intel has something which will beat all of the amd x2s

[ingentingmendeg]

we all have to wait until it comes to the open market. you dont know if intel has something which will beat all of the amd x2s

im guessing they proboly do. just like ati, they need to really get there cards out and on the market. same with intel, they need dual cores to compete with AMD.

[n00b 0f l337]

DilTech thats something only clock at 2ghz. I wouldnt doubt if up to 3ghz or more will be for sale when they hit market.

[DilTech]

3 ghz by time to market? :slapass: Sorry to tell you, but according to roadmaps the top is 2.17ish. It won't be ANYWHERE CLOSE to 3 ghz.

[Lithan]

From what I've heard, they just guessed at the 2ghz performance... there wasnt actually any test at 2ghz.


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[railer]

plz since when cinebench is used to determ performance. Dothan does not do that well in that bench ether but spanks FX in gaming. Yonah is still a mobile cpu. If indeed it will offer better game performance then Dothan then it's great. Some Amd fanboys just cant wait to point out the weaknes of unreleased chip. That is sad........

[LOE]

actually this is just two moded dothans

intel is supposed to lanuch a new kick ass arch based on the good old pentium3 in the middle of the next year

I read some speculations about VLIW chips with hardware code morphing.. but who knows
I think that next gen stuff will look like and amd chip... with amd64 tech, with an integrated mem controller (aka A64 :)) with a different bus... some sort of intel HyperTransport... for now intel copied only the amdx64, the cool&quiet concept and the NX bit.... actually I kind of wonder why intel doesn't start making amd chips, they have the capacity, will gain cash anyway

[eBoy0]

actually I kind of wonder why intel doesn't start making amd chips, they have the capacity, will gain cash anyway

Because all the AMD fanboys will spam the CRAP out of forums across the nation :p: saying amd>intel.

[Northwood]

comparing this chip to X2's is a bit silly, which chip will it be going head to head against in the real world? Turion.

remember folks this is a mobile chip.

Wait till we see conroe before comparing to the X2.

[eBoy0]

Yah, 2x dualcores can't beat a single X2.... what would happen if they got 2x x2's :slobber: mobile nothing, if it costs as much as the 4800 x2 than it should compete w/ the X2, the mobile excuse is getting old... :rolleyes:

[DilTech]

Amen eBoy0... The same people comparing the dothan to the FX-55 are the ones not wanting this to be compared with it losing to the LOW END x2's... With everything being done to make these into desktop cpus(i.e. mobos and adapters), it technically should go up against what is out in it's price range.

As for the turion comment, AMD is readying dual-cored turions in the 2 ghz range last I checked. If the Yonah couldn't take the x2 3800+, which IS only at 2 ghz(showing that yonah isn't faster clock for clock than A64's anymore), then it's gonna end up around even with the turion as well. Turion is just as fast as the 939 chips minus dual channel....

Anyway, here's my question, what is it here making yonah slower clock for clock than dothan. We all know dothan was faster the A64 with them both at the same clockspeed.... Did intel pull the same move they did stepping up from the 5 series to the 6 series and use a higher latency cache(in otherwords, take out it's *speeding bullet* so to speak), or is it the fact that it no longer has 2 megs to each core that's hurting it like that?

[LOE]

the bus aint wide enough for two cores, the chip itself is not mend to be dual core, it is like the Pentium D - two chips stuck together

also it is a tradition for intel to criple CPU with each rev :)

I am not sure how real are that scores, but this time it's not like comparing a desktop CPU to a mobile... the yonah might be mobile but the sauseman is supposed to be the next xeon... at least I think so. Theese chips are no longer notebook optimised, as intel is pushing this arch into desktops and servers. It is now mature, with a better bus... but why slower ? Good job intel ;)

I think the chip will scale up to 3 Ghz on its current proccess.

If thats the speed of the final CPUs, the turion should be faster clock per clock as amd chips aren't that sensible to memory bandwidth, and also the dual core turions are supposed to have more cache than the average desktop part as well as ddr2 support.

[railer]

Is it me or there is someone here has math problems. My Dothan @ 2.8 scores almost same in Cinebench as 1.5 Yonah :fact: So actualy Yonah should be a nice step up from Dothan and should be exelent gaming cpu. Cinebench is a number crunching benchmark. IF you looking for number crunching cpu then you should look into Desktop cpu's. Stop comparing aples to oranges, a short distance runer is good at 100 meters not at runing a marathon. :p:

[LOE]

it is you... the yonah is dual core man... thats TWO (2) cores @1.5 Ghz

it won't be a nice gaming processor, games are single threaded, it will be as fast as a dothan@1.5 even might be slower

cinebench is a good way to test multithreading, probably the benchmark where yonah shines the most

[metro.cl]

you all are missing a big part thats the price, if it is cheap enough to compensate the loss of performance its gonna be a tought fight because normal people dont need dual cores not even a fx cpu.

i still thought these intel chips would be better but they might be crazy for oc.

[DilTech]

They'll also be worse in games than the dothan, as instead of having 2 mb of cache per core, it's 2 mb total, so for an idea of gaming performance you'll want to compare them to the Celeron-M, as those were dothan's with only 1mb.

[onewingedangel]

it doesn't have 1m cache per core, it has 2m shared cache. If your playing a single threaded game, the second core will not be utilising the cache and the primary core can use the full 2m cache. Only if your using multithreaded apps where both cores are working full out will you get the 50:50 split with cache and thats if cache needs are equal - the cache allocation is wholly dynamic. Also I think judgement should be reserved until more benchmarks can be shown showing the strengths and weaknesses of the core.