LCD 19" 8ms or less for gaming. Which?

[higherøx]

It obligatorily needs:

To have a response time equal or less than 8ms;
Be excellent for gaming, that will be its principal use;
Capable of running fast games without VSync and without fickering, for example: the game I play more is Quake 3: Arena, which needs 125fps. I need a monitor capable of don't ghost at this condition and not have flickering, too;
Be a 19 inch monitor;
Have DVI;
Do not be much more expensive than US$ 380;
Normally don't come with dead pixels :D.


I have been looking at two models:

Hyundai L90D+ 8ms:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824179014

ViewSonic VX924 5ms:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116355

Which of the monitors above would you buy? Why? Have you got any other suggestions?

Remember: 125fps without ghost or flickering!! :)

Thanks (Sorry, I'm just learning English, not a perfect text yet :D :D :D )

[higherøx]

Hyundai:

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/24-179-014-11.JPG

ViewSonic:

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/24-116-355-15.JPG

[One_Hertz]

I have the hyndai one and its pretty nice I dont see any flickering. and btw you can not see any difference in fps numbers that are above your monitor's refresh rate which will be 75. :fact:

[MaxxxRacer]

and you cant see flickering on a LCD.. it doesnt "refresh" like CRT's.. you would only se e ghosting.

[Turok]

The VP191b is the best 19" LCD, and probably the best LCD for everything, except size (since its a 19" LCD).

The VP191b is a S-MVA Samsung panel running at 8ms
Since its a S-MVA pannel, Image quality and viewing angles are superior to a TN pannel, and response times are more stable.
Most of the high speed 19" LCDs use a TN pannel, and a 8ms TN pannel could go as high as 30ms with some color transitions

The second best would be the Hyundai L90D+ which would be a 8ms Samsung TN pannel

For more info, go to the LCD Guide (Click the link on my signature)

[higherøx]

The question is that Quake 3 Arena has the "fps bug", the game will only be perfect when the fps are fixed at 125.

Can I play this game at this fps without seeing the image being "cut"?

Thanks for your opinion :)

[higherøx]

Well... I've seen that the models I choose are the better for gaming.

But... which of them?

My biggest doubt is about image being cut when playing fast games without VSync, at around 130fps... it doesn't occur, does it?

I ONLY use my monitor for gaming and using the Windows... sometimes I watch some videos as well...

Hyundai or ViewSonic? :) :) :)

And what about the Dead Pixels?

[Turok]

Well... I've seen that the models I choose are the better for gaming.

But... which of them?

My biggest doubt is about image being cut when playing fast games without VSync, at around 130fps... it doesn't occur, does it?

I ONLY use my monitor for gaming and using the Windows... sometimes I watch some videos as well...

Hyundai or ViewSonic? :) :) :)

And what about the Dead Pixels?

The ViewSonic VX924 is not the best pannel for gaming.
Its rated 4ms GTG, but it can bump the response time as high as 30ms.
You could see ghosting on this pannel
There is a chart in the LCD Guide showing the difference between the 4ms TN Samsung pannel (VX924) vs the 8ms S-MVA AU Optronics panel (VP191b)

The point of the LCD guide was to answer these questions, but Im guess you didnt even bother to check it out.

As I said before:
The VP191b is the best 19" LCD, and probably the best LCD for everything, except size (since its a 19" LCD).

The VP191b is a ViewSonic pannel, so to answer your question about "Hyundai or ViewSonic", ViewSonic is the best, and thats if you get the ViewSonic VP191b, NOT the ViewSonic VX924
Your second choice would be the Hyundai L90D+ if the VP191b is too expensive.

About the flickering: If you read the LCD Guide, you will see that I mention that LCDs DO NOT flicker.

About the dead pixels: It would be bad luck if you get a dead pixel on the pannels I mentioned on this post. If you do get one, you could RMA it if you buy it from a trust worthy store like NewEgg

[higherøx]

Yes I read the LCD Buyers guide, but my English is not sufficient to understand everything it says, so I came here to ask you.

Thanks for your opinion, I'll try to buy the VP191b, if I can't then I'm going to buy the Hyundai.

Thanks

[IYP]

the big thread labled LCD GUIDE will help ya out on this one....turok can you PM me a coppy of the code u used for tht in your sig?

[MRBIGSHOT]

what is the point. they both want 1280x1024 resolution. for this money get a big fat crt, get a picture you can see in the daylight, a better resolution, and save the extra cash you get back. a lcd does not have a better picture than a crt.

[Salahuddin]

It is unlikely you will notice much of a difference between the Hyundai L90D+ or the Viewsonic VX924. Technically the VX924 should be slightly more responsive in gaming than the L90D+, but the difference won't amount to anything significant in terms of your visual experience while gaming.

So, if you can get them both for about the same price, I'd get the Viewsonic VX924. I think Newegg is selling it for quite cheap now ($380 bucks or so).

If you can't find the VX924 withing $100 or so of the Hyundai, I'd say you're wasting your money spending the extra cash for the VX924.

And you should know that if you're using DVI input for your LCD monior... DVI is maxed out at 60 FPS regardless of the refresh rate of your monitor. So, even if you're running a game at 125 FPS, you will only see 60 FPS.

what is the point. they both want 1280x1024 resolution. for this money get a big fat crt, get a picture you can see in the daylight, a better resolution, and save the extra cash you get back. a lcd does not have a better picture than a crt.

With all due respect, I don't think you really know what you're talking about. Are you implying you can't see a picture on and LCD in daylight??? Well maybe you should tell that to the millions of LCD owners since I don't think they are aware of that fact. As well, you might want to alert the entire computer industry since CRTs are being discontinued by many major computer display manufacturers. If anything, its harder to see CRTs in daylight because of the glare possible on the reflective screen. This is actually an advantage of LCDs over CRTs.

Also, an LCD generally has better image quality than a CRT at the same resolution. Colour reproduction on LCDs are more vivid and images are more crisp due to it being created from a constant light source and not a tube the continually refreshes itself. Not only that, LCDs use DVI input which improves image quality over analog. CRT picture also deteriorates with time, whereas that of an LCD does not.

The advantages of CRTs over an LCDs today include cost, response time, and the ability to switch resolutions. However, 17-inch LCDs are quite close in cost to 19-inch CRTs now and have the same viewable area, and the gap in response time is no longer that large.

[MRBIGSHOT]

i happen to have both a lcd and a crt that i use. the crt has more vibrant colors than the lcd. they look washed and and 2 dimential. a 17 inch lcd is limited to 1024x768. i guess its great for the blind or the elderly cause your icons are huge! at work i use my trusty samsung 17 lcd, the only reason is for space savings. at home i use my old viewsonic 19" crt

[higherøx]

Thanks for your opinion!

I need 125fps in Quake3 because it needs 125fps to run smooth, and to do jumps like the bridge-rail, etc. I have heard people complaining of a little "image cut", and I want to know if it's true.

Thanks

[Salahuddin]

i happen to have both a lcd and a crt that i use. the crt has more vibrant colors than the lcd. they look washed and and 2 dimential. a 17 inch lcd is limited to 1024x768.

Well, that must be a really old LCD because I've never even heard of an LCD limited to 1024x768 resolution. What exactly is the model number on it?

I need 125fps in Quake3 because it needs 125fps to run smooth, and to do jumps like the bridge-rail, etc. I have heard people complaining of a little "image cut", and I want to know if it's true.

There won't be any "image cut" with a fast panel LCD screen. And if its a software glitch where the game has run 125 fps to run smooth, then if you run it at 125 FPS on an LCD, there shouldn't be any problem. You can run the game at 125 FPS, its just that your eyes will really only see 60 FPS on the screen.

However, I'd like to mention two things:

1. I've never heard of a game requiring 125 FPS to run smooth. Even most CRT monitors refresh maximally at 85 HZ or so... and if you're in game FPS is greater than the refresh rate of a CRT monitor, you'll get tearing in textures while playing (unless you use VSync which means you'll never see more than 85 FPS).

2. You do know that if you're running a machine that can run Quake 3 at 125 FPS, there are MUCH BETTER first person shooter games out there to play ;)

[higherøx]

Quake3 is THE fps :D

Man... Q3 needs 125fps to be possible to do certain jumps, like the bridge-rail. If I run it at 100fps, there will be NO visible difference, but I won't be able to do these "certain" jumps. Did you understand?

The question is not the visual aspect, but the gameplay.

Thanks

[MRBIGSHOT]

samsung 712n

[higherøx]

why?

[muaddib]

As Turok said, you should seriously consider the VP191B instead of that 4ms one.

[higherøx]

I'm thankful for your opinion.
I think I gonna buy the Hyundai one.
If I get money... then I buy the ViewSonic.

T h a n k s :)

PS.: You're sure that Hyundai is excellent and normally doesn't come with dead pixels, aren't you?

PS².: Why is the Samsung 193P+ at this price? It's ridiculously expensive :D.

[higherøx]

Thanks :)

[urbanfox]

The VP191b is a ViewSonic pannel, so to answer your question about "Hyundai or ViewSonic", ViewSonic is the best, and thats if you get the ViewSonic VP191b, NOT the ViewSonic VX924
Your second choice would be the Hyundai L90D+ if the VP191b is too expensive.



:stupid:

[higherøx]

:stupid:
Why? :D

[STEvil]

he wants 125fps because the quake3 engine produces the largest number of physics calculation errors at that cap which allows longer strafe-jumps and the like.

Yes, DVI may be capped at 60"fps" but the game is probably being run with vsynch disabled. Image cut is what we refer to as tearing when FPS and VSYNCH do not match and produce an image that looks "cut" or torn.

as to which is the best.. i've not tried any of them but am looking into the ViewSonic vp191b... just wish it didnt cost $650+ here in canada :(

[higherøx]

he wants 125fps because the quake3 engine produces the largest number of physics calculation errors at that cap which allows longer strafe-jumps and the like.

Yes, DVI may be capped at 60"fps" but the game is probably being run with vsynch disabled. Image cut is what we refer to as tearing when FPS and VSYNCH do not match and produce an image that looks "cut" or torn.

as to which is the best.. i've not tried any of them but am looking into the ViewSonic vp191b... just wish it didnt cost $650+ here in canada :(that's what i tried to mean :D

[notoriousformula]

as to which is the best.. i've not tried any of them but am looking into the ViewSonic vp191b... just wish it didnt cost $650+ here in canada :(

I agree with ya, the best price i have seen is $570 + 14% Tax :( ..Thats why i'm going for Hyundai L90D+ this week :( :(

[GRiM]

If you want to play quake 3, you're better off getting a CRT.
I bought Benq fp937s+(has the same panel as Hyundai L90D+) and i'm unpleased in the gaming experience. Even if i use vsync @ 75Hz, fps games will not run smoothly, aiming is really unsmooth. If i turn off vsync and set 125fps, it's tearing like there's no tomorrow.
I myself will get some CRT, probably samsung 1100DF.

I don't know if such behaviour on this tft is normal, or is it just that i'm used to 120Hz @ 1024x768. Anyway the difference is day and night.