best 2x1gb for under $250

[stealth17]

i was looking at these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227210

and someone said

"Considering a cheap $160 2x1GB would net you probably 230-240 2.5-4-3-7, I wouldn't spend an exta $100+ for speculation on slightly* better timings."

what should i get? I just need it for bf2 basically...thanks

[texuspete00]

Haven't tried that ram, but as for that advice....

it seems ever since it's been more common to except relaxed timings and got away from 2-2-2... a lot of people just don't care anymore. It makes no sense. The speed you quoted is about as good as crucial value at 3-3-3 at like 210-215 tops. Trcd is still up there in importance for memory performance. That one 4 always sticks out and punches me in the gut. Gig sticks are doing 2-3-2 and people are getting high results out of say 2.5-4-3 on say TCCD as a side example, because it's tied in with performance so much. It is very much so "relaxing" the timings to go 4 there. More so than Trp. I'd 2-2-3 over 2-3-2 any freaking day. Not saying to buy that infineon, just don't give up on tRCD. Bad advice. Just doesn't seem like that person realizes how crap those timings are at those speeds. Practically like stock speeds with real timings.

So it's kind of a rant. It may only cost you .2fps. That's not the point, and that ram can probably hold a 3 at some MHz. 9 times out of 10 if you do just want to tweak out your memory the extra MHz afforded with 4 are not worth it. You don't have to pay $100 more, just the tweaking I'm discussing. If that is the infineon, you might as well run it at 2-3-2 at stock MHz and call it a day. Hmm.... some people.

[stealth17]

intersting

people just dont seem to realize how important timings are. ive always like bh-5 and such over tccd. 2-2-2-5 is better than 2.5-4-3-10 with a ton of mhz. all you get out of the high speed is bandwidth, which you dont even need all of it if the timing are :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:.

here is another quote i just read from a guy at DFI-Street.

Now - the controversy goes on and on - but it seems that 250 at 3 3 3 8 timings isn't any different than 200 at 2 3 2 5 timings and if they are different than it ain't by much. So you could always go for lower speed lower latency memory. Patriot has a 2 gig set that most people can get to 215-220 at 2 3 2 5 timings.

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140291

any thoughts on that set of dimms? the price is right...

and in gaming (bf2-whole reason im getting 2x1gb), dont you want as tight of timings as possible even if you have to sacrefice a few mhz?

[stealth17]

the mushkin blue seem to be some nice sticks

12. Professor12 | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-3-6 1T @ 262MHz | 2.7v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes
13. NinjaWreck | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-2-6 1T @ 258MHz | 2.9v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes
14. rise4310 | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-3-8 1T @ 257MHz | 2.75v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes

2.5-3-3-6 1T isnt bad at 260mhz!

too bad they are $322 :(

[texuspete00]

I actually run a meager 3-3-3 myself on my crucial values. =/ I don't want to give the wrong impression. I work with what I got. These timings just have probably a roughly 25MHz advantage over what was originally posted. I can run up to about 240. I just don't like 4's. It rarely gains you much. I've tested cas to be pretty much moot. Trp I don't see too much of a swing, but other knowledgeable people do. That trcd though... shes a killer. -25 FSB each or more when you want to quick judge a set.

Yeah for BF2 or pretty much any thing else you often want timings over MHz... when the MHz is not enough of a difference. If I were to run a TRCD of 4, I would just want to know EXCATLY how many MHz that rewarded me in OC.

Those results with the blue are nice. Those must truly be the pick of the litter if they still using them infineons. The patriots don't OC like that... usually.

At the end of the day 2 gigs just makes BF2 buttery.

[J-Mag]

I actually run a meager 3-3-3 myself on my crucial values. =/ I don't want to give the wrong impression. I work with what I got. These timings just have probably a roughly 25MHz advantage over what was originally posted. I can run up to about 240. I just don't like 4's. It rarely gains you much. I've tested cas to be pretty much moot. Trp I don't see too much of a swing, but other knowledgeable people do. That trcd though... shes a killer. -25 FSB each or more when you want to quick judge a set.

Yeah my Crucial Values do 242 max 32M stable so far but I relaxed the timings.

3-3-3-X 1t i can do 239.

texuspete00: DO you have bank interleaving on or off? What are you drive strengths? 8:4 ?

[stealth17]

http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=163&page=10

ocz performance is best bang for the buck. these modules will not be used for benching. thats why im keeping 2x512mb mushkin bh-5 ;)

the 2x1gb is for bf2 and 24/7 use.

i dont want to break my balls on 2gb of memory that an extra $100 isnt going to gain me enough to be worth it. im planning on getting a 7800gt too which the $100-$200 will go a lot farther in video card then in memory.

so should i just go with the ocz performance? or some crucial value?

[fareastgq]

When it comes down to it guys, u either buy a set u know can do 280-300 HTT (we are talking about 2 gig sets here for those unaware), or u get the set that does 200-230 with the tightest timings possible, me, I'm still a timings guy, I would get the ballistix, but they cost too much, so, I went the other way, heh. There is a point where the high htt overcomes the loose latency, but if your sticks can't do 270+ to overcome that, don't bother getting expensive ram that can only do 260 and below imo. Patriot are simply the best bang for the buck atm.

[texuspete00]

^ hey man... by the way... if we can bench off 2-3-2 and 3-3-3 that would be good. I feel what you're saying. But it seems one of these is the best bang for the buck. Pats ain't usually doing 240, but they got the timings. I can't exactly check. You know 2-3-2 is not possible for me. I will run mem benches to compare with you if ya like though at good SD clocks as well. The cas probably won't do crap, but we can check out Trp. I seen people say they value Trp as much as Trcd, but I'd like to see it settled. :D Otherwise I'm just gonna have to compare 3-3-3 and 3-3-4 to get a feel for Trp. Even less scientific than something we can come up with. It's not a competition, in fact I can't do 2970 so we'd have to square that off. The patriots are still around $200.. or no? Otherwise I guess this goes out the window, not a fair budget stick blowout.

I think I'm still on drive strength 8. I need to try and tweak them out this weekend. bank interleave is enabled.

[J-Mag]

Those of you who have 2gigs of ram do you still use a pagefile or no?

I have heard disabling a page file is a bad idea. Even with 2gb Windows still uses a page file... For what? I dunno...

[stealth17]

^^^ because windows is gay. it always uses a PF even if you have 30gb ram.
even if you disable it...

ive been doing some research and it seems 2x1gb are pretty much all created equal. for what im doing, i dont need anything much. i was looking at the ocz value stuff, or the ocz platinum that most people an do 2.5-3-3-5 230mhz 100% stable.

even the patriot hasnt been looking too bad.

can anyone just recommend me something that will do 220mhz at tight timings? i really dont know what to do here. i usually run 260x11 24/7 and i could run a divider at 260mhz fsb for 220mhz dram speed. or, i could get the platinums and run 2-3-2-5 at 200-210mhz...

i will be getting a phase-change soon and ill probly run 3.2-3.3ghz 24/7 and the dividers will work about the same. so i reall dont know what to do here....

[stealth17]

well i think ive decided what im going to do.

i think ill get the platinum and shoot for 260*11 with a 183mhz divider. that puts dram at 220mhz. then i can try to run the platinum at 2.5-3-2-5 for a nice 24/7 bf2 setup!

then, when i get the phase-changer, i should hopefully get 3.3ghz stable. so ill run 300*11 with a 150mhz divider to put the dram at 220mhz 2.5-3-2-5

sound good and feasible?

[Haltech]

Sounds good to me.. Its definately cheaper than the Ballistix that i ordered. :toast:

[Gaspar]

I have the patriot Low latency kit runs 540mhz 3,3,3,6 2.6v. Does 245 at 2.5,3,3,6 and does 220 at 2,3,2,5. Excellent ram IMHO. Probably the same ICs as the 400 priced OCZ and Ballistix

[stealth17]

I have the patriot Low latency kit runs 540mhz 3,3,3,6 2.6v. Does 245 at 2.5,3,3,6 and does 220 at 2,3,2,5. Excellent ram IMHO. Probably the same ICs as the 400 priced OCZ and Ballistix

link?

[Gaspar]

Here ya go http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220045

[stealth17]

Here ya go http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220045

and you can do 270 3-3-3-x with those?!?!

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140291&Category_Code=DDR-PDP

those are the same thing right?

THANKS FOR THE INFO!!!

[Gaspar]

and you can do 270 3-3-3-x with those?!?!

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140291&Category_Code=DDR-PDP

those are the same thing right?

THANKS FOR THE INFO!!!
Yes sir. I was going to get thewm from Monarch though I think they are horrible with shipping and such. SoI bought 2 seperate sticks and they rock! :banana:

[stealth17]

Yes sir. I was going to get thewm from Monarch though I think they are horrible with shipping and such. SoI bought 2 seperate sticks and they rock! :banana:

NICE!!! you made my day!

Monarch is about $20 cheaper for a kit then newegg is separate sticks. do you think the kit will do as good?

when did you buy the ram?

:woot:

[Gaspar]

NICE!!! you made my day!

Monarch is about $20 cheaper for a kit then newegg is separate sticks. do you think the kit will do as good?

when did you buy the ram?

:woot:I just got it yesterday. And as far as whats best?? Ive had better luck myself with single sticks. Same , no difference in the so called dual channel kits

[stealth17]

i was about to buy them from newegg now but i see they cut me double for shipping! ill have to see what i can do about that :)

[stealth17]

done...just ordered them from newegg. it was $30 more but if they are as good as yours then its worth it.

THANKS AGAIN!!!!

i will post back with results. i should have them by about the 17th

[Gaspar]

Cool, Im also at BE too..

[texuspete00]

I want pics of 270 please. It just doesnt make much sense. Not calling you a liar, but they switched off infineon if you can get that. :) Inf 5ns chips at 270 is unheard of.

If I had BH5 doing 250 at 2.7v you'd want to see right? It's just not the characteristics of the chips.

[Gaspar]

CPUZ verified (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=32467)OK well if you look up a few posts youll see 8 hours of memtest at 3 3 3 8
I can run these at 3,3,2,5 at the same speed too.
If you look in the 1gb/2gb data base youll see my SuperPI and cpuz vreified
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35713

[Gaspar]

OK heres SuperPi too anything else?

[texuspete00]

Don't take it personally dude, not saying you are, I'm unsure. But since you asked.... sure I'll bite. Rip off the spreaders. :D

I mean c'mon. Its to be expected at that high from the norm. Your results are pretty :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

You do realize you have far and away the fastest patriot 2*1gb set anyone has ever seen. Sweet stuff. :clap:

Rereading all your posts we're actually not that far off. I think they changed the goods in your sticks. It's generally accepted ordering those gets you infineon.

[Gaspar]

I will rip off the spreaders and let you all know whats in these bad boys later on tonight.

[Gaspar]

THese are infineon chips. Ill post a pic

[stealth17]

im really glad i ordered the same things from the same place only a day or two after :)

[Gaspar]

Here is a pic.

[stealth17]

Here is a pic.


Sexy red pcb!!!

Im getting pumped for mine now!

Im guessing those are 6ns chips?

EDIT: your not in the 1x1gb/2x1gb database :confused:

EDIT 2: CE-6 ive never seen...must be new!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[wildboar]

I believe this post caused Newegg to sell out of the single sticks ;)

[Gaspar]

EDIT: your not in the 1x1gb/2x1gb database :confused:

EDIT 2: CE-6 ive never seen...must be new!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:I posted my results in that thread and Pmd Enjoy about it. Maybe hasnt had time to update yet. Im going to see just how high theyll go today. I havent gone higher seeing as It wond do me any good. My cpu tops out at 2.7, well one core does anyway.

[100proof]

Anyone feel like ordering a set of the matched 2x 1gb sticks from monarch.. :D

[100proof]

looks like outpost.com might have the same 2x1gb kit (PDC2G3200LLK) for $199 .. but being outpost I'd be guessing it could be old stock on hand if they haven't sold out..

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4453786?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140291&Category_Code=DDR-PDP

[Gaspar]

SOmeone bought some from fry's yesterday and they were the BE-5 and topped out at 220.

[100proof]

SOmeone bought some from fry's yesterday and they were the BE-5 and topped out at 220.
Online orders probably ship from a warehouse and have a higher turnover of product than a local frys.. Question is how fast is this for outpost..

I'm guessing asside from newegg only monarch would sell enough volume to ensure getting a new run of memory

[Gaspar]

280@3,3,3,8

[Eloxxd]

wow ... 280@3338 .. very nice for 260$ ...

[$ilver]

what is memtest saying ?

[Gaspar]

I ran eight hours of it at 270. I havent had the time to run it at 280 really cause I dont care about 280, does me no good. 270 is perfect for this cpu. I just wanted to show what the max was on these sticks

[Eloxxd]

which testes ? bandwith ? 1T or 2T?

[Gaspar]

I ran all tests and with 1t
Here. Scroll half way down
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67762&page=27&pp=25

[texuspete00]

SOmeone bought some from fry's yesterday and they were the BE-5 and topped out at 220.

Yeah man, thanks for ripping off those spreaders. Seems the thread has really gone places. :D So it IS infinineon, but looks like there are some new chips in town.

[stealth17]

280@3,3,3,8

omfg, i love you man! (lol j/k)

mine should be here tommarow!!! :woot:

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[stealth17]

got the ram in today and it is be-5 :(

it came from the New Jersey warehouse. im assuming yours was from the California one?

this kinda urks me but if i can still get the right stuff from CA then it will be all good.

[Lidocaine]

Gaspar,

What timings can you run that Patriot at with an HTT of 255? I'm interested.

[Gaspar]

got the ram in today and it is be-5 :(

it came from the New Jersey warehouse. im assuming yours was from the California one?

this kinda urks me but if i can still get the right stuff from CA then it will be all good.
These came from New Jersey actually. And Im sorry to hear theyre BE-5. Best of luck

[stealth17]

These came from New Jersey actually. And Im sorry to hear theyre BE-5. Best of luck

damn! what should i do? buy two more and send the set i dont want back?

[Gaspar]

NOw that makes a 2 people that ordered the same stix and got BE-5. Im not sure really what to tell ya. You could return them and buy more though its a gamble as always.

[stealth17]

NOw that makes a 2 people that ordered the same stix and got BE-5. Im not sure really what to tell ya. You could return them and buy more though its a gamble as always.

who was the other person and where did they order them from?

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

Any Retailers in Us that ship to uk aswell because it will work out cheaper if i order from us or somewhere.

Anyone know of some company that would ship to uk?

Please let me know, thanks

[Professor12]

Hmmm it's unfortunate that the mushkin hi-perf ram has jumped so much in price. I got my sticks for 260 and I believe rize paid even less for his. The ballistx seem to have been coming down in price recently so you might just want to bite the bullet for some garunteed high fsb performance.

[Larry]

OV3RCLOCK3R here is a link to a uk company sells those sticks and lots lots more
it is cheap and has free delivery


http://www.pc-memory-upgrade.co.uk/memory/ddr-ram-pc3200.asp :woot:

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

OV3RCLOCK3R here is a link to a uk company sells those sticks and lots lots more
it is cheap and has free delivery


http://www.pc-memory-upgrade.co.uk/memory/ddr-ram-pc3200.asp :woot:

Thanks for the link but i dont see the Crucial tracer or ballistix there. :(

Any US company who has this memory and ships to uk?

[situman]

which chips is everyone looking for?

[texuspete00]

Infineon CE6 I guess. They have for the most part been BE5. We're hoping they are switching them over. In the past no one had results like that. It's really not possible with BE5. Hence my previous doubt. Oh well, we found something here. Everyone wants what gaspar's got. There are pics and everything. ;)

[situman]

so CE5 is a revision of BE5. New revision i guess, maybe I should wait till everyone snaps up the BE5 :)

[stealth17]

the CE-6 is new revision of the Infinion chips. you can tell which modules they are (only PDP systems) by the red PCB. i talked to PDP the other day and they definatly did make a switch and the green pcb/BE-5 modules are old ones newegg had floating around. within a couple weeks we should see all CE-6/red pcb with nice results :)

EDIT: i talked to newegg and they said your can buy them and if you get the green pcb ones then get an rma number and send them back. put in the rma notes your want red pcb and you may get them. no guarantees still though.

as for outpost.com, they are out of them anyways

[situman]

monarch too?

[Ackbar]

Sit back... relax and have some beers for the next month or so.

[htspecialist]

Monarch seems to have a sale on 2gb Mushkin memory in response to all the complaints received about the latest batch of Mushkin inventory. At $250 the price is competitive but check elsewhere on this forum for all the issues discussed concerning overclock performance concerns for this product.

[rodman]

Will this Patriot do 2.5-3-3-6@230fsb? If so I will order them this week :)

I was going to order OCZ Gold 500 but for 100+ less.... These stix seem to run cooler as well.

[fareastgq]

Will this Patriot do 2.5-3-3-6@230fsb? If so I will order them this week :)

I was going to order OCZ Gold 500 but for 100+ less.... These stix seem to run cooler as well.

my patriot do 229 2.5 3 3 5 easy, 2.5 volts 0 errors. I have a good stick and a weak stick, thus only 229 for both sticks. the stronger stick hits 235.

[Gaspar]

Will this Patriot do 2.5-3-3-6@230fsb? If so I will order them this week :)

I was going to order OCZ Gold 500 but for 100+ less.... These stix seem to run cooler as well.
i beleive I was able to run cas2 at 230. I think 2,3,3,6

[stealth17]

everyone just relax for about a week or so. I know some stuff now about Mushkin and Patriot that I can't really say but I will hint that it's worth waiting.

-Jordan

[chunkylover77]

But how expensive will these sticks be stealth?

[stealth17]

But how expensive will these sticks be stealth?

$260 tops...

one set that might be a winner will be $275 with a $25 rebate. only down side is you have to buy BF2 with it. but, if you dont have bf2 now, you need it! lol j/p...you can sell it on ebay or the forum pretty easily....

[rodman]

I was bummed my BFG7800gtx didn't come with BF2, this may have worked out in my favor. Waiting...... :confused:

[stealth17]

I was bummed my BFG7800gtx didn't come with BF2, this may have worked out in my favor. Waiting...... :confused:

Here is deal #1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146425

A little more expensive then I thought but it's also a $30 rebate.

This ram is from the NEW batch of BE-5, and SHOULD (dont quote me on that) do 250-260mhz with half way decent timings. This is DEFINATLY going to be better than last month batch of this stuff, so pretty much your going to get better than other Mushkin HP Blue 1gb sticks.

Mushkin is coming out soon with some other stuff, so if you are willing to wait another couple weeks, there will be new 2x1gb sticks and these should drop in price even more.

As for the PDP Systems stuff, its a gamble for red pcb/ce-5 sticks but its a gamble you may want to take seeing what Gaspar got!

Hope this helps!

[typer77]

I placed an order after I read your post. Then I re-read the other thread with the Mushkin enhance blue..
Is this batch definitely new? hmmm.. maybe I should just get the crucial...

[Duonger]

the CE-6 is new revision of the Infinion chips. you can tell which modules they are (only PDP systems) by the red PCB. i talked to PDP the other day and they definatly did make a switch and the green pcb/BE-5 modules are old ones newegg had floating around. within a couple weeks we should see all CE-6/red pcb with nice results :)

EDIT: i talked to newegg and they said your can buy them and if you get the green pcb ones then get an rma number and send them back. put in the rma notes your want red pcb and you may get them. no guarantees still though.

as for outpost.com, they are out of them anyways

actually the ce-6 is old parts. the -6 is ddr333. the -5 is ddr 400.. 6 is 6 nanoseconds and 5 is 5 nanoseconds. just fyi

Duonger

[Lidocaine]

actually the ce-6 is old parts. the -6 is ddr333. the -5 is ddr 400.. 6 is 6 nanoseconds and 5 is 5 nanoseconds. just fyi

Duonger

Will this Mushkin do HTT255 2.5-3-3-x 1:1? If so, I'll buy it right now.

[texuspete00]

Yeah, I was curious on that. Had to edit that post 59 because of it. :D I just imagined CE5 the first time I read it. Oh well, none of these B's can do that stuff. I would definitely like to try some but I think I shall stick with what I got.

[stealth17]

the mushkin from newegg is defiantly new batch. some people got 260 2.5-3-3-6

ymmv

[Doom5]

the mushkin from newegg is defiantly new batch. some people got 260 2.5-3-3-6

ymmv

Where'd you read that? There's one user review on Newegg from a month ago, clearly from the old batch. Did you read forum posts that described overclocks like that?

[Perc]

they should run those settings if there worth a damm (then again what do i know ive never owned 1gig sticks :) ). im going to order a pair for sure! ive been waiting for them to get back in stock. i had a choice between these and the redline pc4000 2x512. i think ill opt for the 2gig set instead....

*edit* hey where do you see the 30 dollar rebate at? im fixin to buy a pair and dont see the rebate.

thx perc,

[Gaspar]

actually the ce-6 is old parts. the -6 is ddr333. the -5 is ddr 400.. 6 is 6 nanoseconds and 5 is 5 nanoseconds. just fyi

DuongerSo how did I mange such awesome clocks frome these then?? I mean ddr 333@580 effortlessly???

[Duonger]

So how did I mange such awesome clocks frome these then?? I mean ddr 333@580 effortlessly???

never said they were bad. just pointing out the -5 vs -6. man im just going to keep my mouth shut, you guys are too critical.

D

[Gaspar]

Sorry, wasnt trying to say you were wrong. Im just really surprised thats all. :toast:

[situman]

So how did I mange such awesome clocks frome these then?? I mean ddr 333@580 effortlessly???

sometimes people get lucky and get really great sticks to overclock just like some people can get an Venice to run at 3.0ghz at default voltage. I think Tom was a little annoyed because you sounded a bit argumentative there. U got great sticks there, protect them with ur life :)

[Doom5]

So how did I mange such awesome clocks frome these then?? I mean ddr 333@580 effortlessly???

Because they're probably the same ICs, just speed-binned, like the Winbond BH-5 and BH-6. Many BH-6's were at least as good as BH-5 chips.

[typer77]

I am in Hong Kong and it's too much hassle to try to find good stix. I am just going to go with Crucial... at least i have seem more good results, even though results are not guaranteed.

[Gaspar]

SO has anyone managed to get CE-6 chips yet?

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

Getting this pqi stuff imported from us to uk. I have been told that the memory is RED PCB:D. I wont have it till next week though:(

Bought from newegg btw:)

[stealth17]

Getting this pqi stuff imported from us to uk. I have been told that the memory is RED PCB:D. I wont have it till next week though:(

Bought from newegg btw:)

who told you? i called and they said they dont know

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

The person who is sending me the memory to me uk. He bought the memory new from newegg, he has recieved it and he is going to ship it out tomorrow:)

[stealth17]

The person who is sending me the memory to me uk. He bought the memory new from newegg, he has recieved it and he is going to ship it out tomorrow:)

who is it?

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

who is it?


He's a mod on the sysextreme forums. Know him very well.

Thing is, i paid him, He bought the ram brand new from newegg, he recieved it today and told me over msn that its red pcb and he will be shipping it out tomorrow so i'll have it next week:)

[rodman]

So let me get this... PQI (I have not noticed anything in 1gb stix from them thats any good) has this 'RED' pcb as well that will do 270+ fsb. Are those ram chips on red pcb only or something :rolleyes: To boot my ASUS A8N loves that ram and I want some :cool:

[Waffles]

He's a mod on the sysextreme forums. Know him very well.

Thing is, i paid him, He bought the ram brand new from newegg, he recieved it today and told me over msn that its red pcb and he will be shipping it out tomorrow so i'll have it next week:)
er... fragtek? :confused:

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

er... fragtek? :confused:

yup, he's the guy:)

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

So let me get this... PQI (I have not noticed anything in 1gb stix from them thats any good) has this 'RED' pcb as well that will do 270+ fsb. Are those ram chips on red pcb only or something :rolleyes: To boot my ASUS A8N loves that ram and I want some :cool:

The one with the red pcb have the infinion CE-5 chips which are very very good at overclocking

The one with the green pcb are the infinion BE-5 chips, not so good

:)

[fareastgq]

which set of pqi?

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

Here are some pics Frag sent me of my memory. Cant wait till i have em in my hands next week:D

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6374/img11659fn.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7213/img11660pv.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

which set of pqi?

EDIT: Sorry always get pqi and patriot mixed up.

Its the PATRIOT 3200LL

[situman]

those arent PQI

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

those arent PQI


opps, i ALWAYS get pqi and patriot mixed up.

i mean PATRIOT 3200LL. Sorry, i always mess up with these

[situman]

its hit or miss. some people still get the green pcbs.

[typer77]

what is the highest fsb ppl hv luck on these? I almost bot them here in Hong Kong, but decided to go with Crucial which is on the way to me.

[Elfear]

Without much tweaking I got mine to 255@2.5-3-3-6 and 260ish@3-3-3-8. I still need to figure out which dram timings these things like and maybe I can get a few more mhz out of them.

I'm using the red pcb Patriot sticks by-the-way. Bought them off Monarch a week ago.

[Gaspar]

opps, i ALWAYS get pqi and patriot mixed up.

i mean PATRIOT 3200LL. Sorry, i always mess up with theseTHose look just like mine, now tell him to rip the spreaders off and youll really know, you need CE-6

[Perc]

he got those from the egg? how long ago did he order and were they 129 dollars a piece? im trying to figure out what mem to buy in the 1gig flavor and since ive had great luck with my XBL 3200 tccd im willing to give these another go in the 1gig flavor. also does anyone know if these 1gig stcks run 1T would hate to buy these and have to run 2t.

thx perc,

[stealth17]

he got those from the egg? how long ago did he order and were they 129 dollars a piece? im trying to figure out what mem to buy in the 1gig flavor and since ive had great luck with my XBL 3200 tccd im willing to give these another go in the 1gig flavor. also does anyone know if these 1gig stcks run 1T would hate to buy these and have to run 2t.

thx perc,

2x1gb will always run 1t

[Perc]

@stealth17

ok thx man thats good to know. i got another question if you dont mind? the ballistix for 158 a pop or the patriot for 129 a pop? do the ballistix have the CE-6 and are they worth the extra money? ive been looking for weeks and getting realy itchy to buy this memory to pair up with my X2 cpu....

thx perc,

[stealth17]

@stealth17

ok thx man thats good to know. i got another question if you dont mind? the ballistix for 158 a pop or the patriot for 129 a pop? do the ballistix have the CE-6 and are they worth the extra money? ive been looking for weeks and getting realy itchy to buy this memory to pair up with my X2 cpu....

thx perc,

the ballistix imho is not worth it. if your feeling lucky shoot for some patriot red pcb... seems monarch has been sending them out. the patriot is the only ram out on the market right now that i know of using CE-6. You could also shoot for some Mushkin PC3200 BE-5 as their new batch has been clocking better than their old one...

[Duonger]

mushkin attempted to switch to that but the CE-6 they got didn't work out. You could also shoot for some Mushkin PC3200 BE-5 as their new batch has been clocking better than their old one...

where did u hear this.. that is new news to me. we didnt even bother with the ce-6 cuz it is ddr333 overclocked and the life span of overclocking those chips are shorter. thus we didnt evern bother with it.

LOL

Duonger

[stealth17]

where did u hear this.. that is new news to me. we didnt even bother with the ce-6 cuz it is ddr333 overclocked and the life span of overclocking those chips are shorter. thus we didnt evern bother with it.

LOL

Duonger

oh i just firgured you tried since you knew about it, knew they were old parts, and the new stuff from you is still BE-5 :p:

my apologies

[stealth17]

i just bought another 2gb of the patriot from newegg in hopes of ce-6....we will see what happens

[Tibu]

After playing BF2 for more than a month now, I seriously have this craving to get me some 2GB ram goodness. Like just when I get into a map such as Kubra dam, basically my computer screen freezes for 3-5 secs while moving around trying to get to the choppers. I'm sick of it to say the least.

But what I'm really wondering is if there ius a 2GB kit out there that can do 255 @ 2.5-3-3-X. I saw that 2 peeps achieved this with some Mushkin 2GB kits, but i've been reading the new batch isn't as good? While some people say that the new batch is better...

All i want is 250-255 @2.5-3-3-X. Just because I've always hated high FSB high latency memory. I've always gone for the 2-2-2-5 goodness. So Duonger if you would like to comment on wether the new batch of 2GB kits could possibly still achieve this, that would be great.

[rodman]

stealth17, when do you exspect them? I am waiting till they get those killer red pcbs in so I can order. RMA'd Mushkin, OCZ and Ballistix as they all overclock like poop on the Asus board. The PDPs are the ONLY ones with Asus 'Approved' ram chips and overclock like hell to boot :D I would just order the PDPs but Newegg might start getting a little peed off if I keep sending ram back all the time :p:

BTW did you ask for the 'RED' stuff :confused:

[stealth17]

stealth17, when do you exspect them? I am waiting till they get those killer red pcbs in so I can order. RMA'd Mushkin, OCZ and Ballistix as they all overclock like poop on the Asus board. The PDPs are the ONLY ones with Asus 'Approved' ram chips and overclock like hell to boot :D I would just order the PDPs but Newegg might start getting a little peed off if I keep sending ram back all the time :p:

BTW did you ask for the 'RED' stuff :confused:

should see them wednesday

you cant ask for the red pcb while ordering. ive even called. they said if you get green and still want red, rma them and write that you want the reb pcb version in the rma notes. even then though they cant guarantee anything :(

[stealth17]

here is the other reason i recommended many of you wait

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=239

[rodman]

here is the other reason i recommended many of you wait

Notice those are NOT approved for my MOBO ;)

Infineon's are :fact:

[stealth17]

Notice those are NOT approved for my MOBO ;)

Infineon's are :fact:

doesnt mean they wont work ;)

[Sephir0th]

are these the same patriot sticks? there's not the best range of ram in australia
http://www.patriotmem.com/products/groupdetailp.jsp?prodgroupid=18&prodline=2&group=PC3200&catid=1

listed as "PDC2G3200LLK" ram.

[stealth17]

are these the same patriot sticks? there's not the best range of ram in australia
http://www.patriotmem.com/products/groupdetailp.jsp?prodgroupid=18&prodline=2&group=PC3200&catid=1

listed as "PDC2G3200LLK" ram.

yes that should be them

[spruce]

just ordered some patriot sticks from new egg, hopefully the memory gods will bless me :). I will let you guys know what I get when they arive

[rodman]

I just ordered a set as well...Oh PLEASE, PLEASE be the red pcbs :D

Spruce, if you get them and I don't :mad: :p:

[stealth17]

mine shipped out today from newegg....NJ warehouse

[zizo]

I just ordered a set as well...Oh PLEASE, PLEASE be the red pcbs :D

Spruce, if you get them and I don't :mad: :p:

I have red pcbs and they are BE-5 :brick:

[rodman]

I have red pcbs and they are BE-5

OMG, where did you get them from? WTF is going on here, I have to call Patriot and get to the bottom of this :mad:

Are the Ballistix BE-5 the same as well? For all we know Ballisix is using Infineon :rolleyes:

Gaspar, you don't work for Patriot do you,lol, as you seem to be the ONLY one with the correct chips :nono: Did Patriot screw up or something :confused:

[zizo]

I ordered from Newegg, CA warehouse.

[stealth17]

I have red pcbs and they are BE-5 :brick:

MOTHERF*CKER!!!!! just got mine today. newegg, NJ warehouse. Red pcb BE-5!!!!!!!!!!!!



ARGGGGGGGGGGGGH!

dont get too upset yet though guys. this is probly the new batch of be-5 like the ones mushkin got. the new batch is doing better. 250-260mhz 2.5-3-3-6

cross your fingers!

the red pcb is also damn sexy! :hump:

[stealth17]

possibly some good news. the red pcb appears to be B6U815 which is brainpower pcb! that mushkin blue used B6U808 pcb in some occasions, so this may be a very good thing. i will show some results this evening

[stealth17]

wow got some news. turns out that the BU6815 pcb is the same as the mushkin XP4000 uses!

i threw the new sticks in today....hehe

2.85v, all dfi settings on auto (loaded optimised) and i hit 250mhz NO PROBLEMS! 2.5-3-2-6 too!!!! with tuning, im sure i can hit 255-260 with these be-5 chips!!!!

im happy!

[rodman]

So...Why would ther be infineon and BE-5 on red pcb by the same company and from the same distributer :confused: Someone get to the bottom of this :stick:

I think there was a small batch of infineon chips on red pcb (many probably have them and don't even realize it) at newegg and Gaspar got lucky. I mean he got 2, the rest of us can't get one. Question is, why did Patriot change over to BE-5, was it cost or was it performance...We shall see.

Wile everyone is removing the heatspreaders, can anyone give me some tips as I will be checking mine :rolleyes:

[rodman]

2.85 voltage seems high, wasn't Gaspar getting those results with 2.6 or something? I don't care about giving my ram the volts...It's the heat I worry about after 3+ hours of BF2 :eek:

However I think I will be able to run 230 fsb@2.5-3-3-6 :woot: Something the OCZ 2-3-2-5 platinums could not :rolleyes:

[nn_step]

put some good ram heatsinks and a fan over that... should keep them cool enough...

[stealth17]

So...Why would ther be infineon and BE-5 on red pcb by the same company and from the same distributer Someone get to the bottom of this

I think there was a small batch of infineon chips on red pcb (many probably have them and don't even realize it) at newegg and Gaspar got lucky. I mean he got 2, the rest of us can't get one. Question is, why did Patriot change over to BE-5, was it cost or was it performance...We shall see.

Wile everyone is removing the heatspreaders, can anyone give me some tips as I will be checking mine

2.85 voltage seems high, wasn't Gaspar getting those results with 2.6 or something? I don't care about giving my ram the volts...It's the heat I worry about after 3+ hours of BF2 :eek:

However I think I will be able to run 230 fsb@2.5-3-3-6 :woot: Something the OCZ 2-3-2-5 platinums could not :rolleyes:

i think you are i alittle confused. the BE-5 is an infineon part as is the CE-6. just a different line. They always had the BE-5 on the generic green pcb, i guess they expirimented with CE-6 a bit though. from my guess, finding ce-6 will NOT be easy and probly not worth it. Gaspar imo got EXTREMELY lucky. if all ce-6 could do that, wouldnt mushkin, corsair, pdp, and the rest use it?

ce-6 is ddr 333 from what Dounger said and i heard the yeild rate on the ce-6 sucks. that probly the main reason for not using it. too many borked chips that simpily get tossed.

the red pcb is brainpower pcb i believe and i would guess all you will see is the new batch of be-5 (which is doing pretty good).

as for the voltage, 2.85v is about average conpared to the 2x1gb database. i hadnt messed with voltage at all. these stay cool at 2.85v, i run 2 fans over them anyways. anything <3v is safe imo.

im about to head out for a couple hours now, but ill do some testing later tonight and post some results. with tweaking im sure i can get atleast 255 mhz! i mean, i hadnt set anything but the 4 main timings and these did 250mhz like it was a joke!

i will let you all know!

to remove the heatspreaders, usea small flat screwdriver and pop the clips off. be careful not to hit the screwdriver on the pcb or chips. i took a chunk off of the chip one time by going too deap :eek: (still worked thank god)....then i just use my finger nails to pull the heatspreaders away from the pcb at the pin side of the module. very easy.

good luck

[Gaspar]

Well good news it sounds like.. Maybe these BE-5's will be real good. Glad you got some that overclock well. And yes I did use 2.6v up to 540, then 2.8v to 560, havent treid anyhigher though.

[rodman]

i think you are i alittle confused. the BE-5 is an infineon part as is the CE-6. just a different line. They always had the BE-5 on the generic green pcb, i guess they expirimented with CE-6 a bit though. from my guess, finding ce-6 will NOT be easy and probly not worth it. Gaspar imo got EXTREMELY lucky. if all ce-6 could do that, wouldnt mushkin, corsair, pdp, and the rest use it?

Thanx for clearing that up :) What voltage do they run stock?

Are the heat spreaders 'glued' on :confused:

With my luck I will get one red BE-5 and one red CE-6 :eek:

[stealth17]

Thanx for clearing that up :) What voltage do they run stock?

Are the heat spreaders 'glued' on :confused:

With my luck I will get one red BE-5 and one red CE-6 :eek:

stock is 2.5v....now that i am home for the night i will do a bunch more testing. i actually was probly hurting myself by putting 2.85v...have to see

heatspreaders are taped on. it does take force. just put your finger nails on one heatspreader (pin side) and your other hands finger nails on the other heatspreader. pull untill on side budges. its easy once you have done it once :p:

[zizo]

Edit: good news ppl I was able to get the good stick up to 245mhz with 2.5-3-2-7 and 2.8volts (11x245 is my cpu limit). I should RMA the bad stick I guess.

[nn_step]

I lucked out then at 2.8 volts I managed to get to 264 with 3-3-3-7 1T...
luck of the draw I guess...

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Awesome work fellas, Ima order mine tomorrow night and hopefully will get the same red pcbs you guys have gotten, ima send back my OCZ goldies and order these babies..

whats best timings anyoe has gotten with these at 250 which is where ill run my cpu 1:1 X12 with the newark :P

[stealth17]

Awesome work fellas, Ima order mine tomorrow night and hopefully will get the same red pcbs you guys have gotten, ima send back my OCZ goldies and order these babies..

whats best timings anyoe has gotten with these at 250 which is where ill run my cpu 1:1 X12 with the newark :P

250 seem to be the sweet spot for mine. i hit it with 2.5-3-2-5 easily....use the lowest voltage possible.

my board overvolts .1v so im actaully at 2.6v which i want lower...dfi nf4...any suggestions?

[zizo]

tnx for the hint. I lowered the voltage and it's still working at 245 with 2.5-3-2-5 timings, but I got a nasty error at 250.

[rodman]

WOW, for 1gb stix selling for 130.00, these are by far the best ones going :cool:

Anyone have a max overclock with them?

[Gaspar]

SO are these BE-5 modules?? SO curiose as of today IM still the only one with these bad boys

[stealth17]

SO are these BE-5 modules?? SO curiose as of today IM still the only one with these bad boys

yes be-5 on red pcb

Anyone have a max overclock with them?

mine seem to do 250mhz 2.5-3-2-5 2.6v very easily. im going to do some 3-3-3-7 runs tonight to see what i can do

[nn_step]

aim for 300mhz

[rodman]

stealth17, you have a PM.

FedEx just dropped of the ram, they are red pcbs :D Now I have to get enough nerve to rip the spreaders off :p:

[stealth17]

aim for 300mhz

hmm any suggestions? as soon as i hit cas 3 it brings up thousands of errors. ive been tweaking and burning in for a hours now. cant even hit 255mhz stable. i got it memtest stable but it crashes in windows (surprise surprise)...

[nn_step]

try cas 4 and then put in a divider...
or if desperate 2T
and if you still can't go hightier,
drop the temps with dry ice..
and Still no further..
You hit your ceiling....

[zizo]

cas 3 didn't help me neither. I hit 245mhz max with 2.5-3-2-5.

[nn_step]

I think that is a cpu limitation not memory...

[zizo]

No I used lower multipliers. I might be my motherboard, but with dividers I can boot at 300HTT.

Stealth, check each stick separately see how far can you push each one.

[nn_step]

get a msi or a dfi.. then you will know it isn't the board...

[stealth17]

no cas 4 option. i havent checked each stick yet. i will drop temps to -20c or better with my chillbox in a few weeks. i am also planning a review for these sticks, but im waiting for my camera to come back from rma

[zizo]

get a msi or a dfi.. then you will know it isn't the board...

Who buys a 754 board anymore? If I didn't have this x800xt I would upgrade to NF4, and X2. :stick:

Could it be the memroy controller on the 130nm Newcastle core?

[nn_step]

definately but you can always go 939 very cheap these days...

[Gogar]

I'm a little confused about people saying they got the Patriot sticks from newegg, I can't find them on newegg.. The only 1GB patriot sticks the egg has are different ones.

Outpost sells these:
PDC2G3200LLK $199.99 2-3-2-x

Newegg sells these:
PDC2G3200ELK $225.50 3-3-3-x

Which ones are you guys talking about?

Edit: I guess you guys bought the PEP1G3200LL single 1GB sticks?

[spruce]

"Edit: I guess you guys bought the PEP1G3200LL single 1GB sticks?"



Yup. :)

[nn_step]

Yep...

[stealth17]

yes

[[cTx]Philosophy]

yes sir and if ge the green pcbs ima send a bomb threa to newegg..
I had to order mine on a holiday weekend now im not gonna get mine till end of next week I guess it hasnt even shipped out yet and its 830 pm on sat :(

I have a feeling that ima get shafted on these dimms because of lately the RAM gods have been takin mean dumps all over me with my bh-5 and now why would they have mercy on me with this set?

Sry for stating that it was tccd, aparently I didnt read enough to know what kind of ram it was Battlefield kinda drowned out all thoughts as to what kinds of ram it is, i just wanna play it decently and competetively, with 2 gigs..

[stealth17]

its not tccd

[nn_step]

and you just have to request the red on your RMA, worked first time with me...

[zizo]

Do they still have green pcbs? I have sent back the defective stick but didn't specify I want red back. Well I guess I can sent it back again if it was green. lol

By the way, I can't boot at 2-2-2-5 and 200. Did you guys try it?

[stealth17]

Do they still have green pcbs? I have sent back the defective stick but didn't specify I want red back. Well I guess I can sent it back again if it was green. lol

By the way, I can't boot at 2-2-2-5 and 200. Did you guys try it?

trcd 2 is not going to happen

[nn_step]

2-2-2-5 1T doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell with 1 Gb sticks...

[a_dragon_jai]

hello every1 i am new to this forum. i have jus purchased 2 sticks of these patriot ram, RED pcb!! i managed to run 2-2-2-5 with no overclocking in dual channel mode, but wen i check with cpu-z it showed that i uses 5:4 divider, even thou i didn't tweak the ram (apart from the timing). i now currently run these sticks in an Intel platform... lg775 3ghz. is that normal that these ram's stock setting uses 5:4 divider? I put my other stick of Kingston 256mb value instead of the patriots and it shows 1:1 in cpu-z..
are there anything wrong with my patriot ram cos it runs a 5:4 divider at stock?

sorry i couldnt give much help cos i have limited understanding in tweaking memory, but i am happy with the patriots!! good memory.

In the near future i am looking to move to the amd platform.. but dont wanna get rid of my 6800le agp softmod to 6800GT. any suggestion of a new motherboard that can support agp graphics card? nforce4 chipset support agp? (sorry abit off topic)

[stealth17]

hello every1 i am new to this forum. i have jus purchased 2 sticks of these patriot ram, RED pcb!! i managed to run 2-2-2-5 with no overclocking in dual channel mode, but wen i check with cpu-z it showed that i uses 5:4 divider, even thou i didn't tweak the ram (apart from the timing). i now currently run these sticks in an Intel platform... lg775 3ghz. is that normal that these ram's stock setting uses 5:4 divider? I put my other stick of Kingston 256mb value instead of the patriots and it shows 1:1 in cpu-z..
are there anything wrong with my patriot ram cos it runs a 5:4 divider at stock?

sorry i couldnt give much help cos i have limited understanding in tweaking memory, but i am happy with the patriots!! good memory.

In the near future i am looking to move to the amd platform.. but dont wanna get rid of my 6800le agp softmod to 6800GT. any suggestion of a new motherboard that can support agp graphics card? nforce4 chipset support agp? (sorry abit off topic)

how many mhz does it say the ram is running? 200mhz? or less?

[a_dragon_jai]

it says frequency 160Mhz. FSB:Dram 5:4 in cpu-z with no overclock

[stealth17]

it says frequency 160Mhz. FSB:Dram 5:4 in cpu-z with no overclock

thats why....look in your bios and see if you can set the ram 1:1 manually. it should be liek 1:1 or 200mhz...something like that

[zizo]

I got 2-2-2-5 up to 185mhz :)

[stealth17]

I got 2-2-2-5 up to 185mhz :)

i really dont think its worth it though :(

[AndrewK]

The patriot sticks at the local australian store are apparently BE-6. How does that compare to BE-5/CE-6?

Thanks,

-Andrew

[a_dragon_jai]

thats why....look in your bios and see if you can set the ram 1:1 manually. it should be liek 1:1 or 200mhz...something like that

I cannot find the setting to change the ram ration in my bios. i don't think its the bios setting because it has always been on optimise setting, also i tried putting in my old stick of kingston 256mb stick it shows fsb ration in cpu-z as 1:1... so i am confused.

[stealth17]

I cannot find the setting to change the ram ration in my bios. i don't think its the bios setting because it has always been on optimise setting, also i tried putting in my old stick of kingston 256mb stick it shows fsb ration in cpu-z as 1:1... so i am confused.

can you change it to aggressive or user control?

can you take some pics of your bios and i can help you?

[kyp275]

hmm, so would this be a better buy than the OCZ plat. and the Mushkin Blues?

[stealth17]

hmm, so would this be a better buy than the OCZ plat. and the Mushkin Blues?

better buy, definatly...they are more expensive for basically the same thing

[Gaspar]

The patriot sticks at the local australian store are apparently BE-6. How does that compare to BE-5/CE-6?

Thanks,

-Andrew
Not sure, would be interesting to find out though :p:

[stealth17]

yeh for sure! never even heard of be-6, get it and give it a shot! if no good, return it!

[rodman]

I have to ask :rolleyes: Why do the Ballistix 4000s clock sooo much better than these Patriots? I'm stuck at 250 :mad:

[stealth17]

I have to ask :rolleyes: Why do the Ballistix 4000s clock sooo much better than these Patriots? I'm stuck at 250 :mad:

different chips....twice as much money almost too

you should be happy at 250 for $200!!

[AndrewK]

My BE-6 patriot is floating around 240-245 mhz atm on a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty via mobo with 2.8v as a maximum. Once I buy a DFi SLI-D and burn it in a bit more i'd be happy with 250-255.

This is at 2.5-3-3-8 atm.

[rodman]

Did some more overclocking. Now I took my winnie down to a 4X multi and put the voltage at 1.55 (all the ASUS will give me here) I then put HTT to 3X and ram to 2.5-3-3-7 1T@2.75 volts. I then went into clockgen and stated moving the FSB up by 5 at a time then running PI and a 3D mark 05 bench. I was waiting for a crash as always but... it never did, at least till 280 as I stopped there. Did I do this correct? Telling me this ram is good for 280+ or am I missing something? As soon as I moved the Multi to 5x on the cpu she crashed though :( But the winnie has alot of problems controlling ram, let alone 2GB@280fsb.

I went back and set everything in bios to make sure it wasn't clockgen messing with things and the results were the same. One thing though CPU-Z and Clockgen both say 280 speed on the ram, however Sandra said 224. Whats up with that as I didn't set any dividers, it's 1 to 1 :confused:

[ingentingmendeg]

quick question guys, so if i get the red pcb's its CE-6 automatically?

[stealth17]

Did some more overclocking. Now I took my winnie down to a 4X multi and put the voltage at 1.55 (all the ASUS will give me here) I then put HTT to 3X and ram to 2.5-3-3-7 1T@2.75 volts. I then went into clockgen and stated moving the FSB up by 5 at a time then running PI and a 3D mark 05 bench. I was waiting for a crash as always but... it never did, at least till 280 as I stopped there. Did I do this correct? Telling me this ram is good for 280+ or am I missing something? As soon as I moved the Multi to 5x on the cpu she crashed though :( But the winnie has alot of problems controlling ram, let alone 2GB@280fsb.

I went back and set everything in bios to make sure it wasn't clockgen messing with things and the results were the same. One thing though CPU-Z and Clockgen both say 280 speed on the ram, however Sandra said 224. Whats up with that as I didn't set any dividers, it's 1 to 1 :confused:

what does cpu-z say the memory speed is?

quick question guys, so if i get the red pcb's its CE-6 automatically?

no, it seems only one or two users got red→CE-6....everyone else is getting red→BE-5 that does 250-255 2.5-3-3-6 2.5v

[[cTx]Philosophy]

I havent even checked to see what mine are, Im having a big prob with mine fellas..
Im on DFI NF3 250UT with a mobile Newark 3700+ rev E cpu and just got 2 gigs from the egg..

The thing is this, I load optimized and all runs fine, when I try to load 12X multi and 4 htt it wont pass raid array..

Even with lower multi as such 6x same thing happens, Is there something im missing here?
I noticed if I disable bank interleave I can pass raid arrays sometimes and get into memtest but it doesnt run it just hangs there doing absoultely nothing..

Any recomendations? Because Patriots tech support totally blowz, leave name message and # well call u back..lol

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Sry for double posting admins but i have an update..
Im currently sitting in windows at ddr 333 with 12X multi?
My mobo supports ddr 400 with 2 gigs so whats the deal here? Is there something i can change in bios to get this stuff running right? or are my dimms just bad

[zizo]

philosophy, I think it's the bios problem. My asus also detects it at 333 but I lowered the muli and increased the HTT to get to the same mhz with no problem. my 2 old sticks that I ordered at the same time didn't have this problem, but after I got a new one, I can't run one old stick with the new one at 400. Maybe because they have different chips!

an update for you guys. I recieved my RMA back today and the new stick is doing 270mhz with 2.5-3-2-5 timings at 2.5v. I just tested for 5 rounds of memst#5 since I didn't have time.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Well me and New-B from DFI street forums both having same prob so Were guessing its either this ram dont like DFI NF3 250 gb or dont like our newarks, we both basically have same pc, and are having same problems.

I can boot to windows with 210fsb on 180 devider but any further than that and this mem craps out.

I hope someone with opportuinty to try this kinda setup out and try to work out the bug i would greatly appreciate it.

Until then I dont know If I wanna rma ram mobo or what..

I dont think this cp
u can be RMA'd guess ill have to ask vandi and see..

[a_dragon_jai]

hello owners of these patriots.. may i ask wht is your stock FSB:DRAM ratio? i am using a n intel system, and my patriots ratio at stock is set to using 5:4 ratio @ 160mhz? i thought it was the setting in the bios, but when i put in my other kingston stick of ram (without changing any setting) it shows FSB:DRAM ratio at 1:1 @ 200mhz? i got these figures from cpu-z.

I have a pcchips motherboard, which hasnt got the function to chang fsb ratio or anything like that, i can only change the timing of the memory... IS THERE SUMTHING WRONG WITH MY PATRIOTS?

[stealth17]

hello owners of these patriots.. may i ask wht is your stock FSB:DRAM ratio? i am using a n intel system, and my patriots ratio at stock is set to using 5:4 ratio @ 160mhz? i thought it was the setting in the bios, but when i put in my other kingston stick of ram (without changing any setting) it shows FSB:DRAM ratio at 1:1 @ 200mhz? i got these figures from cpu-z.

I have a pcchips motherboard, which hasnt got the function to chang fsb ratio or anything like that, i can only change the timing of the memory... IS THERE SUMTHING WRONG WITH MY PATRIOTS?

i was running 1:1 at 252fsb 2.5-3-3-5 windows stable. 255mhz is memtest stable.......

[[cTx]Philosophy]

These patriots will not do anything over ddr 360 or 180fsb no matter what I can try, it has to be some kind of thingie that PDP havent encountered yet, tech support even said he has no idea why it wont and we tried over an hour of different settings and to no avail..
I even swappped to 4-15 bios and 5-04 bois to try that and still not working, New-B at DFI street is having same probs as me, Ima try these babies in the infinity tomorrow to see if theyll do some good speeds and if so I might be getting rid of the blessed NF3 setup in hopes of nf4 and X2

[Gaspar]

These patriots will not do anything over ddr 360 or 180fsb no matter what I can try, it has to be some kind of thingie that PDP havent encountered yet, tech support even said he has no idea why it wont and we tried over an hour of different settings and to no avail..
I even swappped to 4-15 bios and 5-04 bois to try that and still not working, New-B at DFI street is having same probs as me, Ima try these babies in the infinity tomorrow to see if theyll do some good speeds and if so I might be getting rid of the blessed NF3 setup in hopes of nf4 and X2ThT IS BIZARRE, though it seems to me like either the SPD is saying they are ddr333 and thus the bios auto sets it to that ratio, or your boards bios just doesnt play nice with the chips. Do you know what chips they have in themn?? :confused:

[rodman]

what does cpu-z say the memory speed is?
280 and or 560 :) I'm up and running on the DFI (stealth you have a pm) I will see if I can push 280 with these like on the ASUS.

[stealth17]

280 and or 560 :) I'm up and running on the DFI (stealth you have a pm) I will see if I can push 280 with these like on the ASUS.

if cpuz says 280mhz then that is really wierd. i just cant see any way in h3ll you can get 280 some what stable with these...

pm replied

[nn_step]

280 and or 560 :) I'm up and running on the DFI (stealth you have a pm) I will see if I can push 280 with these like on the ASUS.
I got 298 stable with my neo2 and my 3000+ Venice..
Best of luck...

[stealth17]

I got 298 stable with my neo2 and my 3000+ Venice..
Best of luck...

WITH RED PCB/BE-5?!?!?!?!

gatta see some screenys and settings :fact:

[zizo]

I ordered 4 of these sticks from newegg. One overclocked to 230, two 240, and one up to 270 with 2.5-3-2-5 timings. That last one might be a CE-6 but I don't want to void the warranty, so I think if you be lucky you might get it up to 280-290ish with 3-3-3-8 timings on a good board, but very rare.

[stealth17]

I ordered 4 of these sticks from newegg. One overclocked to 230, two 240, and one up to 270 with 2.5-3-2-5 timings. That last one might be a CE-6 but I don't want to void the warranty, so I think if you be lucky you might get it up to 280-290ish with 3-3-3-8 timings on a good board, but very rare.

you wount void the warranty if you take them off carefully. trust me ;)

plz let us know what that last one is. you may have some CE-6 on your hands!

[zizo]

actually I tired to take it off but I just left some scratches on the stick. What's the best way to remove the heat sink?

I'm sure it can be overclocked more on a better board and cpu my 240mhz average seems a bit low.

[a_dragon_jai]

you wount void the warranty if you take them off carefully. trust me ;)

plz let us know what that last one is. you may have some CE-6 on your hands!


i got BE-6 chips. week 0530. i got these patriots from hong kong... used a flat head screw driver, the tapes between the heat sink and the memory are pretty tuff... when you starting to see the tape separating abit, then use a hair dryer to heat up the tape. this will help abit, make sure the warm air gets into the tape, by blowing into the gap between the heatsink and the memory.. then slowly use your nails or the help of the screwdriver to peel the heatsink off from both side. I choose to work with the side without the warranty label..

[zizo]

Is that BE-6 a new chip? old ones were BE-5 and CE-6.
240 at 2-3-2-5 :shocked: not even Gaspar's CE-6 could do that.

[a_dragon_jai]

i have tried to search on information about these be-6 chips, also the ce-6 chips, to see how good they overclock etc, but no where to be found.. anyone that got thses information would like to share with us?

i can overclock with these chips to 240mhz 5:4 divider...relistically 190mhz. can't use 1-1.. anything over 240mhz my sata harddisk will not boot.

[Gaspar]

So youre not really running 240 then, youre running 190 right??

[a_dragon_jai]

cpu is runnin 240fsb, ram runnin at 190fsb... still tryin to fix the ratio to 1;1, probably motherboard compatability problem.

[zizo]

it's most likely bios problem. try different versions of your bios.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

I have dfi NF3 250gb and ive tried both bios 4-15 and 5-04 and neither of them will allow me to go above ddr 360 currently im at 235 fsb on 150 devider which puts my ram at 176.2 mhz

Im going to give the newer bios a shot but I doubt it will make a diff, but then you never know..
I would hate to send these sticks back thinking that maybe I have two that can do 270ish, it would break my bawlz if there good sticks and just a quirk with my mobo or proceoosr not liking them, I know proc not liking them sounds wierd but im totally lost up to here, and so is PDP tech support as well :slapass:

[rodman]

Just tested this ram on my DFI NF4 Ultra D using bios 310. Using Clockgen and even leaving the HTT@4x and ram voltage @2.5 (bios says 2.53) with 2.5-3-3-6 timings@1T. CPU was at 4x multi. Again got right to 280fsb 1 to 1 ratio, didn't bother to test any higher. This confirms these 2 stix will do 280fsb in both an ASUS A8N sli deluxe (1011 bios) and this DFI :p: I should really pull the spreaders and see what these are. The biggest problem is this winnie, it WILL NOT go over 2.530ghz. The ram says go but the CPU says no :nono:

You people think it's cuz I'm using a 4x cpu multi or am I correct on saying these stix will do 280+ :confused:

[[cTx]Philosophy]

good questipn because right now im on the infinity with these and there ddr 440 2-3-2-5 prime stable and im about to jump em up to 460 to see how they like it, tech support is saying maybe that my Newark or motherboard doesnt like these dimms?
I have DFI NF3 250gb and a dam 3700+ newark that has been overclocked to 3gigs already..
Im going to be really mad if these dimms will go as high as some here on my infinity and not NF# anf i have to rma them..
Ill repost some results when I return but until then im extremely pissed..


Can you post a screenie of your timings on the nf4 FDI so I can try them with my mobo and maybe theyll work out.. thnx

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Right now im at 250 2.5-3-2-5 priming..

Just failed prob due to low volts on the cpu ima crank em up a bit and see how high she can go

[rodman]

Relax those timings abit, you are too tight for running them @ DDR 4000 :eek: Do you know of any DDR 4000 1GB stix running 2.5-3-2-5 timings :confused:
I have TRAS at 6
Cas#Latency 2.5
ras to cas delay 3
ras precharge 3
1T timing and or enabled
Bank cycle time (trc) 13
Dram idle timer 16
volts 2.5
The rest of the dram settings I left alone as shipped with 310 bios. On a side note trc and dram idle are on 'auto' and cpuz shows those values. Used the same timings on the ASUS but trc was at 22.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

lol dude right now im at ddr 500 with 2.5-3-2-5 :)

passed memtest for an hour so I know mem is good
This mobile 2600 lkes volts and i dontlike throwing anything over 1.8 at her so we stopped at 2500 mhz 1:1 2.5-3-2-5 @ ddr 500

gotta love it I was just saying that in my nf3 setup they wonteven post at ddr 400 with 2.5-3-3-8 :(
Why I was asking if you could give me a few of your timings for nf4 so I can plug em into my nf3 and hopefully be overclocking this beast..

[rodman]

What voltage are you using on the ram?

[stealth17]

just becuase its memtest stable doesnt mean its windows stable!!!!!!!

i can pass 600+ of memtest #5 and BSOD right away in winders

[Gaspar]

So cas 2.5 at 500 huh. Thats sweet, do you have any Super Pi screenies at that speed along with an A64 tweaker. Id love to compare timings

[stealth17]

So cas 2.5 at 500 huh. Thats sweet, do you have any Super Pi screenies at that speed along with an A64 tweaker. Id love to compare timings

yours wound do cas 2.5 at ddr 500, gaspar? cas 3 actually make mine more unstable...

[AndrewK]

Mine hits 245mhz 2.5-3-2-5 SP 32M stable.

Can't get it to 250 though =(

-Andrew

[nn_step]

I hope one day to find 3-3-3-7 T1 @295mhz for 1Gb sticks

[stealth17]

what dfi nf4 bios is everyone running? Im on 704-2BT now, was thining about trying the 623 series....any suggestions?

[[cTx]Philosophy]

tech support said to run 2X1g as 2.7 so i did and unfortunately this was all done on my infinity and no screenies were taken, however i did go into windows and surf and stuff but keep crashing because of low volts to the cpu , this is my only working backup machine and I certainly dont wana burn it up..
It def did ddr 250 @ 2.7 2.5-3-2-5 in windows and would have prob gone further but I dare not push it, maybe tomorrow if im bored ill pop em back in and see what theyll do..
Im going to have to send em back to the egg :(
I hate to see such a good ocing pair go but if they wont work with my nf3 then I dont need em..
I really need some recomendations for 2X1g for my nf3 because lately all the ram ive been getting hasnt been any good with this setup..
Im begining to think it isnt my mobo but some quirk with my Newark somehow, NEW-B also is having a prob with his as well with this certain type ram, bh-5 is sweet on my rig but I blew thru two pairs already with over 3.5, so I want some lower volltage stuff like tccd thatll hopefully do close to 250ish tight kind of timings like these.

[Gaspar]

what dfi nf4 bios is everyone running? Im on 704-2BT now, was thining about trying the 623 series....any suggestions?IM using the 623-3 bios, works excellent. I havent tried anyothers though really so hard to compare. My Philosophy if it aint broke.... :nono:

[stealth17]

IM using the 623-3 bios, works excellent. I havent tried anyothers though really so hard to compare. My Philosophy if it aint broke.... :nono:

yeh i think ill try the -3 ram table...its a bit looser and this stuff might like it. my bh-5 liked 704-2 though

[stealth17]

trying 623-3 out now...ill let you know how it goes

[[cTx]Philosophy]

I need some recomendations for 2 gigs for thi9s nf3 because it doesnt like this type of ram, not sure if its be-5 or ce-6 or what it is but it doesnt like my cpu im guessing and i need something that does decent timings at about 235 to 240ish, anyone recomend?

I heard someone say that these are the same as ballistix? Is that the case? I paid 267 for my set and really want some good clockers for this setup

[stealth17]

god damn it. I really need some assistance now.

Ive tried everything to get these sticks windows stable, BUT IT ISNT HAPPENING!

Ive been trying little by little for weeks now with the max prime stable of 40min even at conservative timings and 220mhz!

I can pass memtest at 255mhz but I cant get them windows stable at 220mhz?!?! what am I doing wrong? Ive tryed 704-2BT and 623-3 bios with same results, maybe a tiny bit better on 623-3.

Can someone give me a whole DFI timings/settings readout for a baseline of somwhere to start please? Im getting really pi$$ed off at these things!

[[cTx]Philosophy]

on my pc only one of these sticks will run at a time but the one im running right now passes prime 254 2.5-3-2-5 all day long 1:!
just those timings set and 3120 all others set to auto
My newark doesnt like both sticks run same time, and thats why shes on the market to be sold.

[rodman]

stealth17 I am using 623-3. My timings are
CAS Latency 2.5
Ras to CAS delay 3
ras precharge 3
Cycle time (tras) 6
set to 1-1 ratio
1T timing
ALL the rest are on auto at the moment and I mean ALL the dram settings.

CPU Z says my Bank cycle time (trc) is 13
Dram Idle timer 16

I am using 2.80 volts as any less and she gets unstable from time to time.

I can hit 235FSb without any issues, since I like using the higher multi and tighter timings (I will start to tighten those timings up) this puts my sandy over 2.8ghz, but she gets up to 57c (but rock stable) so I am using 225fsb(2.7ghz) for now.

At 235 fsb, sandra gives me 7050 bandwidth.

I would think this would be a good place to start anyway :p:

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Ive been running emboth in my infinity for past few days waiting onnew 64bits to arrive, so far there rock stable at 247X10 2.5-3-2-11-13-15 1T :toast:

[stealth17]

Ive been running emboth in my infinity for past few days waiting onnew 64bits to arrive, so far there rock stable at 247X10 2.5-3-2-11-13-15 1T :toast:

64bits what?

[[cTx]Philosophy]

My x2 andASrock that im currently priming at 250 2.5-3-2-5 I know they top out at 254, so what setting should I change to go higher?
Cas 2.5 to 3 or trp 2 to 3? which will give me say 270ish?
Ive always had bh or ch memory so goin into 3 timings ive never touched..

This x2 3800 and asrock are currently priming at 2500 on stock voltages :) 250 1:1 2.5-3-2-5 :woot:

[stealth17]

well I bit the bullet and ordered a set of Crucial Ballistix pc4000....looking for 300mhz 3-3-3-8

They are $300 now, at the time of this thread creations they were $400.

Ill let you all know how it goes.

Philosophy, just change one setting at a time and run memtest #5. It takes forever to get all the best settings but thats how you do it. I know cas 3 really killed my stability though. Try 2.5-3-3-8

[WesM63]

Stealth,
The cruical, is that the 2x1gb kit?


I almost bought the PDP, but think i'll bite the bullet as well.


btw, where in ohio?

[stealth17]

Stealth,
The cruical, is that the 2x1gb kit?


I almost bought the PDP, but think i'll bite the bullet as well.


btw, where in ohio?

Yeh, 2x1gb PC4000

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146578

Its the Z503 kit which is the same stuff the top 17 people in the 2x1gb database have. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67762

Ashtabula, Ohio. Most north eastern county. My sister lives in Toledo, which is probly closer to you?

[WesM63]

Stealth,
Yep, i'll prolly end up with that stuff as well. (looked for the OCZ Pc-4000 EB, but can't find it)


Toledo is about 1hr from me so yea alot closer lol.

[stealth17]

Stealth,
Yep, i'll prolly end up with that stuff as well. (looked for the OCZ Pc-4000 EB, but can't find it)


Toledo is about 1hr from me so yea alot closer lol.

This ballistix is still beating all the newest 2gb kit releases. It becuase Micron wount sell them to anyone but Crucial. Micron supposedly makes the PCB which is special for the -5B chips too.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

currently i bumped em up to 255 same timings ima see if they work here b4 i run em at 2.5-3-3-8
I hope theyll do atleast 260 tight timings..If not ill bum loosen em a bit and run em
im still surprised at thes x2 though 2550 with nust 1.3 volts :)
in bios I have it set to 1.3
but in speedfan it shows it as regular 1.35 is this an issue with mobo or what?
I had it all way 2450 with just 1.275 needed 1.3 for 2500
etc

EDIT: Well 255 was a no go so i backed em to 254 and ima see whats u
Core 1 failed with 255 and then whole pc frose except the mouse bout 20 secs later, I know it isnt the cou its the ram ima push push push

[stealth17]

currently i bumped em up to 255 same timings ima see if they work here b4 i run em at 2.5-3-3-8
I hope theyll do atleast 260 tight timings..If not ill bum loosen em a bit and run em
im still surprised at thes x2 though 2550 with nust 1.3 volts :)
in bios I have it set to 1.3
but in speedfan it shows it as regular 1.35 is this an issue with mobo or what?
I had it all way 2450 with just 1.275 needed 1.3 for 2500
etc

EDIT: Well 255 was a no go so i backed em to 254 and ima see whats u
Core 1 failed with 255 and then whole pc frose except the mouse bout 20 secs later, I know it isnt the cou its the ram ima push push push

Dont trust the onboard sensor for voltage. Its wrong, I guarantee it. Use a DMM (http://forums.theoverclocked.com/glossary.php?do=term&id=271)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

well just found out have a toldeo :(
Im uposet with this information but will work on it..

From what ive seen anyway mannys go way higher than toledo's
mannys are e4 and tols are e6 correct?

looks like this mobo is starting to show its ass finally
Stuck at 2.5 now
even put mem on 166 multi and went to bumpo it not happening..
Now i put mem back to 250 and mem multi back to 400 but it doesnt switch back its still drdr 166 :(
this is killin me man.. grrrrr

Well cenbtral brain ident sais its a tolde cpu-z sais manny whats deal here?
lol unbeleivable

[[cTx]Philosophy]

wait lol toledos have 1 mg lvl 2 cache correct? this cant be toledo somethings wrong here..
It has to be manchester
back to priming at 250
ima go up 1 mhs at time from here on and see where she stops

[kyp275]

finally got my system up...

but these would constantly fail test 8 in memtest at stock speed unless they're @ 2.8v :(

it only happens when I'm running both sticks, they can pass the test just fine when tested individually :(

guess I'm switching as well ><

[stealth17]

wait lol toledos have 1 mg lvl 2 cache correct? this cant be toledo somethings wrong here..
It has to be manchester
back to priming at 250
ima go up 1 mhs at time from here on and see where she stops

not all toledos 1meg L2. Some 3800's are crippled toledos where the extra 512k on each core has been disabled. But, some are manchesters too.

[shiznit93]

I want to resurect this thread because I have the PDC2G3200LLK 2x1gig kit and I need help overclocking it. I have tried both the yellow and the orange slots and up to 3-3-3-8 timings (I dont know what any of the other memory settings are or do - please help) and I cannot get over 220mhz on thi mem no matter what. i did reach 219 at 2.5-3-3-8, but whats the point, 2cas at 200 should be faster right? i purchased the kit from monarch in early august and i have the green pcb, which is nowhere near as good as the new red one if i'm understanding correctly. all the recent pictures of this mem (both on the patrion site and monarchs) show red pcb's, and i was wondering if it was worth it to rma and try to get them. i would really like to run ~250mhz 2.5-3-3-X but i do now know how i should approach this rma, and whether i should file a request form with monarch or call PDP. thanks.

[stealth17]

Ygpm

[Vitality]

Sry guys cause im lazy, but if i now buy set of 1x2Gb, what should i hunt? 250MHz required, and latencies are what they are... Nice to have at least 2.5-3-3-5 but 3-3-3-5 might be ok too. Hope those could be as cheap as possible. Under 200€ would be nice. Maybe little over, but not much!
So what is best set with these criterions?

Thanks!