Just got my Mushkin Enhanced Blue 2x1Gb

[AlkyHauler]

Lol, the heat spreader were silver instead of blue. But they came right up on 2-3-2-6 timings at stock speed. They were shipped straight from Mushkin too. Can't wait to overcl:banana::banana::banana::banana: them. :D

[Major]

Welcome to XtremeSystems AlkyHauler ! :toast:

Good luck, keep us posted on your results !

[AlkyHauler]

Welcome to XtremeSystems AlkyHauler ! :toast:

Good luck, keep us posted on your results !
Thanks for the warm welcome. I lurked for over a month before I built this rig. The 2x1gb datatbase was a HUGE help. :thumbsup: I built it solely to play BF2, I have another rig for surfing, email, apps, etc. So far I am thoroughly impressed with ALL my parts. Just goes to show that if you do your homework on your parts and know what you are doing you will be rewarded. I had that AN8 Ultra loaded and ready to go in about 30 minutes. Completely stable at stock speeds. SuperPI, memtest, all the 3dmarks, pcmarks, etc passed with flying colors. Now I just hope I can get into the top 20 in the 2gb databse. :D You guys really seem knowledgeable and I will use you for a resource guide once I start hitting the wall on this ram.

[xs64]

AlkyHauler : Do you have digicam ? I wanna see some pics of your Mem :slobber:

[EnJoY]

Thanks for the warm welcome. I lurked for over a month before I built this rig. The 2x1gb datatbase was a HUGE help. :thumbsup: I built it solely to play BF2, I have another rig for surfing, email, apps, etc. So far I am thoroughly impressed with ALL my parts. Just goes to show that if you do your homework on your parts and know what you are doing you will be rewarded. I had that AN8 Ultra loaded and ready to go in about 30 minutes. Completely stable at stock speeds. SuperPI, memtest, all the 3dmarks, pcmarks, etc passed with flying colors. Now I just hope I can get into the top 20 in the 2gb databse. :D You guys really seem knowledgeable and I will use you for a resource guide once I start hitting the wall on this ram.

As the father of the 2x1GB OC Database, that's very good to hear. :)

[Korpse]

Are they just 1GB sticks of Mushkin Blue?

If so that stuff should kill :D

[vegeta]

I don't think these are with winbond UTT chips. Never seen a 1gig stickie with those sweet chips. It will be the first time.

If they are with UTT IC's :slobber:, please :slap: me :D

[celemine1Gig]

No chance that they are UTT. There are no 64MB winbond UTT ICs. ;)

I think these Mushkins are equipped with Infineons chips. I'm really interested in how high they'll clock, although I don't think they'll come very far.

[aznblueeboi]

Infineon BE-5 or -5 chips probably

[AlkyHauler]

Infineon BE-5 or -5 chips probably
supposed to be BE-5, lol I'm not going to take the heat spreaders off to find out. :D

[AlkyHauler]

AlkyHauler : Do you have digicam ? I wanna see some pics of your Mem :slobber:
yeah I'll take a shot and post it up tonight, these things are HEAVY. :cool:

[AlkyHauler]

As the father of the 2x1GB OC Database, that's very good to hear. :)
sweet, then I will start with you when I hit the wall. :D

[AlkyHauler]

No chance that they are UTT. There are no 64MB winbond UTT ICs. ;)

I think these Mushkins are equipped with Infineons chips. I'm really interested in how high they'll clock, although I don't think they'll come very far.
why not? according to the 2gb database they do very good

12. Professor12 | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-3-6 1T @ 262MHz | 2.7v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes
13. NinjaWreck | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-2-6 1T @ 258MHz | 2.9v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes
14. rise4310 | 2x1GB Mushkin Hi-Perf Blue - Infineon BE-5 | 2.5-3-3-8 1T @ 257MHz | 2.75v | Link! - SPi 32M Stable: Yes

I just want to hit 250x11 with the tightest timings possible.

[AlkyHauler]

Are they just 1GB sticks of Mushkin Blue?

If so that stuff should kill :D
here is the link to the set

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=194

[celemine1Gig]

Wow, either Infineon came up with a new Revision, or the first results that I had seen were limited by either mobo or CPU (that's what I think, now after you pointed out the results from the 2GB thread). :)
Good luck with it. Looking good so far, considering the results from the OC thread. Didn't expect them to be so good.

[5-Clicks]

any initial results yet just to get us more jittery about these sticks? :D

[AlkyHauler]

any initial results yet just to get us more jittery about these sticks? :D
I plan on starting the OC war tonight. :D stock it ran 32m superpi in 32 min.

[AlkyHauler]

Wow, either Infineon came up with a new Revision, or the first results that I had seen were limited by either mobo or CPU (that's what I think, now after you pointed out the results from the 2GB thread). :)
Good luck with it. Looking good so far, considering the results from the OC thread. Didn't expect them to be so good.
Yep, I know exacty what you are talking about, those first reviews were with a socket 734 chip I believe in a very non OC'able mb too if I remember correctly. I have a link somewhere at home to the latest test and they got them to 250 out of the box with a venice core/dfi rig. I'll see if I can find it.

[situman]

I don't think these are with winbond UTT chips. Never seen a 1gig stickie with those sweet chips. It will be the first time.

If they are with UTT IC's :slobber:, please :slap: me :D

hey is that chow yung fat in ur avatar thingy? God of Gamblers movie?

[5-Clicks]

hey is that chow yung fat in ur avatar thingy? God of Gamblers movie?
:off:

i thought it was one of the last scenes in Equilibrium

[Haltech]

250 isnt bad at all. Seems on par with most 1 GIG X 2 Modules. Ballistix seems to be the choice now. Im hoping to see how far someone can take these, even with 3,3,3 timings.

[EnJoY]

:off:

i thought it was one of the last scenes in Equilibrium


It is Equilibrium. Sick movie btw. ;)

[situman]

:off: too :dammit: :off:

i thought it was one of the last scenes in Equilibrium

hahahahaaa just wondering that looks sooo cool though

[situman]

It is Equilibrium. Sick movie btw. ;)

sorry off topic again, but havent seen the movie. aight no more off topic sorry for the thread crap

[fldrice]

They're BE-5 Mushkin no longer makes Blues with winbond UTT or Bluelines period.

[Vapor]

Not that UTT could be in a 1GB DIMM....

Watch out though...

[Capt_Caveman]

Got my Mushkin HP PC3200 2gb kit today. I also got the silver heat spreaders. Disappointed though that they're not the new heat spreaders that Mushkin announced.

[alphaalien]

No chance that they are UTT. There are no 64MB winbond UTT ICs. ;)

I think these Mushkins are equipped with Infineons chips. I'm really interested in how high they'll clock, although I don't think they'll come very far.

I hope you aren't serious. UTT isn't specific to Winbond, in fact, UTT has been around long before Winbond ever released UTT chips. There are at least 8 different UTT dies that I know of, and less than .01% of the UTT market uses Winbond UTT chips.

[fldrice]

I hope you aren't serious. UTT isn't specific to Winbond, in fact, UTT has been around long before Winbond ever released UTT chips. There are at least 8 different UTT dies that I know of, and less than .01% of the UTT market uses Winbond UTT chips.
Which is why people should refer to them as Winbond UTT.

[vegeta]

Common:)
Show me the pics :D (both dressed with HS and stripped :hrhr: )
Are thwy equipped with the new HS?

[rise4310]

Got my Mushkin HP PC3200 2gb kit today. I also got the silver heat spreaders. Disappointed though that they're not the new heat spreaders that Mushkin announced.

when i got mine a month ago, blue spreaders, they were very light compared to my rev2. i dodn't know anything of new spreaders.

good luck with them guys :cool:

[Doom5]

So far I'm extremely disappointed with this HP3200. Came with silver heat spreaders on Brainpower 815(Why not 808?). Can't go further than 220 at cas 2.5 it seems :( Voltage does not help AT ALL.

Why did I even bother paying extra for this memory? Doh. Running on a Chaintech VNF4 2.5-3-2-8

[nugzo]

So far I'm extremely disappointed with this HP3200. Came with silver heat spreaders on Brainpower 815(Why not 808?). Can't go further than 220 at cas 2.5 it seems :( Voltage does not help AT ALL.

Why did I even bother paying extra for this memory? Doh. Running on a Chaintech VNF4 2.5-3-2-8

Good chance its the chaintech.

[Doom5]

Considering I was running my Patriot TCCD at 278mhz Cas 2.5, wouldn't you disagree? Anyway, I'm going to try it tomorrow in my brother's DFI.

I think the Patriot, OCZ, and Mushkin are all the same memory, you just get lucky with your OC results like a cpu. They're all BE-5, all Brainpower PCB. I think Mushkin probably just released these new chips as the speed-binned crap since their new chips are coming out and they want to keep the cream of the crop for those. People should just get whatever's cheapest.

Also, this memory hates voltage. 220 is stable in memtest at cas 2.5 at 2.6 volts(lowest my board supports), if I raise it any higher than 2.6, I'll get errors, even at the same speed.

[acrh2]

I'm having trouble with these new mushkins (silver heatspreaders) as well.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71614

[$anch3z]

i got mine yesterday and after a few teething troubles (user error ^^) got these at 217mhz at 2-3-2-6 1t with 2.75 vdimm. Mine have the silver heatspreaders...gonna use my P4 2.8 m0 to push these with relaxed timings after the weekend so will add to the database hopefully :)

[acrh2]

i got mine yesterday and after a few teething troubles (user error ^^) got these at 217mhz at 2-3-2-6 1t with 2.75 vdimm. Mine have the silver heatspreaders...gonna use my P4 2.8 m0 to push these with relaxed timings after the weekend so will add to the database hopefully :)

Mine, like doom5's, just don't want to be overclocked. Cas2 = no go at 215, Cas2.5 = no go above 220.
What exactly did you do?

[wildboar]

Mine, like doom5's, just don't want to be overclocked. Cas2 = no go at 215, Cas2.5 = no go above 220.
What exactly did you do?

That stuff is sounding like the OCZ Platinum kits.

[Doom5]

I'm running on Athlon 64/ Nforce setup if that matters to anyone. Looks like we all got jipped with this new batch. 815 Brain power instead of 808? Silver heat spreaders? Mushkin is probably outsourcing this stuff, how do we even know it's BE-5?

[Duonger]

we dont outsource anything. all these are built on our PCB. All the BE-5 come directly to us via Infineon. We have parts coming in every 2 weeks. I know cuz I do the buying.

We are using the last of our old style heatsinks. we will start shipping with the new ones August 19th.

Duonger

[Duonger]

So far I'm extremely disappointed with this HP3200. Came with silver heat spreaders on Brainpower 815(Why not 808?). Can't go further than 220 at cas 2.5 it seems :( Voltage does not help AT ALL.

Why did I even bother paying extra for this memory? Doh. Running on a Chaintech VNF4 2.5-3-2-8

The 808s just got in from Brainpower and are now soldermask black. the new batch is shipping with 808.

DUonger

[Duonger]

So far I'm extremely disappointed with this HP3200. Came with silver heat spreaders on Brainpower 815(Why not 808?). Can't go further than 220 at cas 2.5 it seems :( Voltage does not help AT ALL.

Why did I even bother paying extra for this memory? Doh. Running on a Chaintech VNF4 2.5-3-2-8

Call into our tech guys and we can give you reccomendations on that board. We are also updating our mainboard qualification for optimal perfomance on various boards and our various products.

Duonger

[AlkyHauler]

I've gotten similar results so far, 220 max stable at cas 2.5 and 2.70v. 2.0 no go past 205. :( timings and voltage don't seem to help any.

[acrh2]

Doom5,
Do you by any chance run an Abit AN8 type board?

I have AN8 SLI, and AlkyHauler has AN8 Ultra.

I have problems with A64 tweaker recognizing ram timings correctly.

I wonder if it has to do with the AN8 style bios...

Duonger,

Are these correct timings for Mushkin HP 2x1GB:

tcl(2)-trcd(3)-trp(2)-tras(6)
trc(11)
trfc(24)
trrd(2)
twr(3)
twtr(2)
trtw(3)

This is what my motherboard is reading from the spd.

[wildboar]

I guess the only choice you have is to buy their PC3700 Black ;)

[acrh2]

This A64 business is strange. I ran it once, and it detected my timings correctly. I went into bios to change some things, rebooted into win, A64 not worky (reads CAS as 4.5, and other such nonsense). Went back into bios, changed everything to exactly what it was before (I know this :banana::banana::banana::banana: by heart now), reboot back into windows, A64 still broken in the exact same way.
What the hell? 3Dmark05 doesn't recognize fsb correctly(reads it as 10MHz, while 2001 and 03 read it right).
Again, what the hell?

[acrh2]

This is weird. I ran cpu-z latency tool, and A64 is working now. Gonna try again. After a reboot.
EDIT: rebooted and A64 tweaker is still working. Weird stuff.

[AlkyHauler]

Doom5,
Do you by any chance run an Abit AN8 type board?

I have AN8 SLI, and AlkyHauler has AN8 Ultra.

I have problems with A64 tweaker recognizing ram timings correctly.

I wonder if it has to do with the AN8 style bios...

Duonger,

Are these correct timings for Mushkin HP 2x1GB:

tcl(2)-trcd(3)-trp(2)-tras(6)
trc(11)
trfc(24)
trrd(2)
twr(3)
twtr(2)
trtw(3)

This is what my motherboard is reading from the spd.


Thats how mine sees them too.

EDIT: Nope, mine is different, paticularly the trfc, here is a screenshot:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1385/a645rn.jpg

[acrh2]

Thats how mine sees them too.

EDIT: Nope, mine is different, paticularly the trfc, here is a screenshot:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1385/a645rn.jpg
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This is mine:

http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/6669/a64tweakeran8slimushkinhp2x1gb.jpg

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And this is after settings everything to AUTO except 2-3-2-6.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/6669/a64tweakeran8slimushkinhp2x1gb.jpg

[Doom5]

Call into our tech guys and we can give you reccomendations on that board. We are also updating our mainboard qualification for optimal perfomance on various boards and our various products.

Duonger

I think it's a little deceptive that they were all 808's and mine is 815. Can I exchange mine for the 808s?

[acrh2]

I think it's a little deceptive that they were all 808's and mine is 815. Can I exchange mine for the 808s?

If thats the problem, me too.

[Haltech]

They wont take em back.. Goodluck.

[Duonger]

we just changed them to 808. they have been built with 815 the 1st day we released these.

how is that deceptive?

Duonger


I think it's a little deceptive that they were all 808's and mine is 815. Can I exchange mine for the 808s?

[Duonger]

the memory is spec at 200mhz. you are getting great results at 220. if you are not happy, wait till monday and talk to one of our techs for suggestions.

800-569-1868

Duonger


Considering I was running my Patriot TCCD at 278mhz Cas 2.5, wouldn't you disagree? Anyway, I'm going to try it tomorrow in my brother's DFI.

I think the Patriot, OCZ, and Mushkin are all the same memory, you just get lucky with your OC results like a cpu. They're all BE-5, all Brainpower PCB. I think Mushkin probably just released these new chips as the speed-binned crap since their new chips are coming out and they want to keep the cream of the crop for those. People should just get whatever's cheapest.

Also, this memory hates voltage. 220 is stable in memtest at cas 2.5 at 2.6 volts(lowest my board supports), if I raise it any higher than 2.6, I'll get errors, even at the same speed.

[Doom5]

They wont take em back.. Goodluck.

Every review I'd read on the memory said it uses the Brainpower 808 PCB, and they give us chips that use the 815 at a price
premium when I could have bought my brother's OCZ value memory for $193 and gotten better results.

The results at 220 aren't great, this memory isn't the same as what Ninja, Rise4310, and Professor had. If I go over 2.6 volts, instability occurs, whereas they ran theres' at 2.8-2.9volts and the fsb scaled with it. I'm not the only one with the issues with these new chips either. Either they're not the same as the old stuff, or possibly this is just the new speed-binned 3700PCB, and that's why they switched to the silver heatspreaders. That makes a lot of sense to me.

[Duonger]

doom5

call on monday and we will see what we can do for you. but as far as i know these have always been built on 815. it is only monday that we built some on 808. both pcb are great and they clock well. if you are not satisfied, please call us monday and we will see what we can do for you.

Duonger

I take it back. we did build some on the green 808. doom5, call in monday and we will resolve this

[Doom5]

Alright, but check this out http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=articles/mushkin/hp3200/mushkin8.jpg

Can you read my post above and confirm whether or not these are speed-binned 3700s? I'll possibly give Mushkin a call on Monday, and I do appreciate the fact that you are here and have been helpful :)

[Duonger]

Yup i just checked the log on builts. we did build 375 pcs on green BU808 boards on June 8th 2005.

also to add, i will contact chaintech to talk to them about their results on these modules we sent them. the new chips we got in are with a different date code also and have been tested at 3700. we still have stock of the old date code that works at 3200 2-3-2.

Duonger

Alright, but check this out http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=articles/mushkin/hp3200/mushkin8.jpg

Can you read my post above and confirm whether or not these are speed-binned 3700s? I'll possibly give Mushkin a call on Monday, and I do appreciate the fact that you are here and have been helpful :)

[situman]

Every review I'd read on the memory said it uses the Brainpower 808 PCB, and they give us chips that use the 815 at a price
premium when I could have bought my brother's OCZ value memory for $193 and gotten better results.

The results at 220 aren't great, this memory isn't the same as what Ninja, Rise4310, and Professor had. If I go over 2.6 volts, instability occurs, whereas they ran theres' at 2.8-2.9volts and the fsb scaled with it. I'm not the only one with the issues with these new chips either. Either they're not the same as the old stuff, or possibly this is just the new speed-binned 3700PCB, and that's why they switched to the silver heatspreaders. That makes a lot of sense to me.

well if it is rated at pc3200 and it works stably what can you possibly complain about? There wasn't any speed range ratings like G.Skill TCCDs.

[acrh2]

Duonger,

As I understand it, there are three of us having identical issues with this ram. All of us bought it on the premise of this ram being a great overclocker. And it just so happened that we received parts from a new batch last Friday, which doesn't seem to be so great. Technically, it doesn't even run at the advertised specifications, i.e. the whole issue of neither of us being able to run this at 2.7 or 2.8V. Would it be possible to do something to help this situation for myself and AlkyHauler also? I bought this from Monarch. I ordered it on Tuesday, and at the time, it was the only retailer, according to pricegrabber, which showed this ram being in stock. Unfortunately, Monarch has a strict policy on no returns for cpu's and ram. So, now I'm pretty much stuck with it. I'm sure the other guys are in similar situation. As you said, if you have some of the old (good oc'ing parts) in stock, it would be great if something could be arranged in terms of us getting some of those older units, if possible. Thanks.

[Doom5]

Yup i just checked the log on builts. we did build 375 pcs on green BU808 boards on June 8th 2005.

also to add, i will contact chaintech to talk to them about their results on these modules we sent them. the new chips we got in are with a different date code also and have been tested at 3700. we still have stock of the old date code that works at 3200 2-3-2.

Duonger

They seem to work fine at stock speed, I didn't complain about that. This board has run other memory in it at very high FSBs, specifically TCCD. I and others all have recieved this new memory and just aren't having good results with it.

Is the 3200 that we have the speed-binned 3700? With the switch to silver heat spreaders it makes sense to me. From your front page photo, it shows the PC3700 with silver heat spreaders. Basically, instead of getting good chips like the other people were getting, we're getting the PC3700 rejects with no chance of good results if my theory is correct.

If this is true it makes me unhappy because I could have saved a ton of money, bought the Patriot memory with the same chips, same PCB, and not have speed-binned reject memory. If I would have known you guys were releasing the 3700, I wouldn't have bought this. I would have just bought the Patriot memory.

[Capt_Caveman]

well if it is rated at pc3200 and it works stably what can you possibly complain about? There wasn't any speed range ratings like G.Skill TCCDs.

This thread is spawned off from overclocking 2gb kits, not 1gb tccd kits. This is xtremesystems correct? If you spent the time to read, you would know that the majority of folks have been getting very good oc's from these sticks til this last batch.

[killzone]

i cant believe you guys are crying about yr clock results, you take what u get. if they run at rated speed and timings and go no further better luck next time

[Doom5]

i cant believe you guys are crying about yr clock results, you take what u get. if they run at rated speed and timings and go no further better luck next time

You don't get the point. We ordered these expecting decent results, they come, they have silver head spreaders, Mushkin soon after announces PC3700 and guess what? Silver heat spreaders? Hmm, speed-binned memory? At $322? Ridiculous. I just ran my brother OCZ's value 2x1GB at Cas 2.5 225 no sweat, and I'm still pushing it, and it cost $130 less! Also had the brain power 808 PCB!

[Capt_Caveman]

i cant believe you guys are crying about yr clock results, you take what u get. if they run at rated speed and timings and go no further better luck next time

You're new here and obviously don't know what a number of folks have been getting for results with these sticks. And yes, it looks like these are just rejected 3700s. It's been mentioned in another thread that these are using the same chips as the 3700s.

[celemine1Gig]

i cant believe you guys are crying about yr clock results, you take what u get. if they run at rated speed and timings and go no further better luck next time

I totally agree. This might sound hard to some, but WTH do you think Mushkin should do? They sold the RAM as PC3200 and it's doing it's specs just fine, why complain then? I don't get it. Do you think Intel for example would take back a CPU, just because it's not overclocking to your liking?
If you get these modules exchanged, then be very thankful at least, as this would be the best customer service ever (I already heard that Mushkins Support department was quite good). Exchanging something that is even working fine, is not happening every day.



And to be honest, I don't think that the PCB is the problem in your case. It's much more likely that your CPU's Memory Controller just doesn't work well with 1GB modules. It might have worked well with TCCD modules, but these are all 512MB modules, so you can't compare the results, as it's a totally different situation.

Edit:
Didn't see the answers above.
But still, even if it's not the CPU that's holding you back, the RAM still does what it was advertised for. I understand that you spent a lot of money, but hey, that's life. You can't always get the best.

[acrh2]

i cant believe you guys are crying about yr clock results, you take what u get. if they run at rated speed and timings and go no further better luck next time

What is the point of making comments like that? If you have a valid point and have something to say, you are welcome to say it. If you don't...
You don't know how much time and energy went into just research on which ram to get for me personally. Not to mention other issues, which I won't.
Besides, this is not a simple issue of getting stuff to work at the speed it can, and then living with it. In my particular case, I'm getting zero(ZERO, 0), let me say this again, ZeRo, overclock on these. I'm forced to run this ram at 200MHz, because anything else results in slower performance: my cpu (3800+ venice) tops out 2800, which limits me to memory timings of 215, 233 and 255MHz. I can run 215 at cas2.5, which gives almost identical performanace as the stock and cas2 (less than 1% difference in quake3 framerates). And this ram won't work at all at 233, and I litereally spent the entire time since yesterday afternoon testing this at any setting imaginable.
Would you be upset if you ordered this seemingly great overclocking ram, and then end up getting absolutely no overclock from it?

[situman]

Bottom line is, does it work as advertised? On the package, does it say it will work beyond stock speed? If yes and no respectively, you really cant complain at all.

[acrh2]

Ok, it's pointless to discuss such issues here. Lets just all calm down and take a deep breath. I don't want to be responsible for any elevated blood pressure and heart attack cases.
:)

[nugzo]

Sell the memory, put a lil more l00t with it and get the ballistix. The ballistix will make you happy.

[Capt_Caveman]

Bottom line is, does it work as advertised? On the package, does it say it will work beyond stock speed? If yes and no respectively, you really cant complain at all.

Gotta love folks that have nothing to add to a thread but still have to post. A number of folks have been asking a lot of questions and doing a lot of research. From this information, decided that the Mushkin HP 3200 were the best bang for the buck. So, it's understandable to be disappointed and also inform others so that they don't make the same mistake.

If your cpu didn't overclock as you expected, you'd be disappointed too. So, STFU.

[Duonger]

cave

call in monday and talk to my techs and see if they can help. if not we will find a solution for you

Duonger

[Doom5]

My a64 tweaker settings are all normal, Chaintech is conservative with the timings if anything. The only solution that we could be offered is an upgrade to the new memory, if not, I'm selling this overpriced stuff.

[JNav89GT]

Gotta love folks that have nothing to add to a thread but still have to post. A number of folks have been asking a lot of questions and doing a lot of research. From this information, decided that the Mushkin HP 3200 were the best bang for the buck. So, it's understandable to be disappointed and also inform others so that they don't make the same mistake.

If your cpu didn't overclock as you expected, you'd be disappointed too. So, STFU.
just b/c your set doesn't oc well doesn't mean every set is bad.

Seems rep is willing to help but your post are very negative and flaming. I'd be wary of biting the hand that feeds.

Nowhere have I seen mushkin rep post these are high overclocking mem. In fact I think one posted awhile back there wasn't much headroom in them. Later some people got good clocks out of them and now others expect same. How do you blame Mushkin?

[Doom5]

just b/c your set doesn't oc well doesn't mean every set is bad.

Seems rep is willing to help but your post are very negative and flaming. I'd be wary of biting the hand that feeds.

Nowhere have I seen mushkin rep post these are high overclocking mem. In fact I think one posted awhile back there wasn't much headroom in them. Later some people got good clocks out of them and now others expect same. How do you blame Mushkin?

We're blaming them because I and others now believe they're speed-binning the memory, since the new PC3700 has silver heat spreaders, these chips clock horribly, and they announced the new memory after we already bought ours. We feel ripped off especially since so many people had good results with the old HP3200 and BE-5 from other manufactors, and with the release of the 3700, they have to be speed binning since those also will be using BE-5.

[JNav89GT]

well where on your memory or anything you buy does it say guaranteed overclock.
It's a risk and gamble. How do you know it's not your board or your CPU memcontroller. Sure 1gb of TCCD might scale, but that doesn't mean the memcontroller can handle 2gb the same. There are far too many variables you guys are not addressing. Seems alot of the problem is isolated to the chaintech board as well. ????? Coincidence?

edit to fix spelling errors!

[situman]

Gotta love folks that have nothing to add to a thread but still have to post. A number of folks have been asking a lot of questions and doing a lot of research. From this information, decided that the Mushkin HP 3200 were the best bang for the buck. So, it's understandable to be disappointed and also inform others so that they don't make the same mistake.

If your cpu didn't overclock as you expected, you'd be disappointed too. So, STFU.

i wouldn't blame the cpu manufacturer for binning my cpu ;) It is their job to make money. If the product works as advertised but wouldnt go 1mhz over stock, I just gotta blame my bad luck.

[100proof]

We're blaming them because I and others now believe they're speed-binning the memory, since the new PC3700 has silver heat spreaders, these chips clock horribly, and they announced the new memory after we already bought ours. We feel ripped off especially since so many people had good results with the old HP3200 and BE-5 from other manufactors, and with the release of the 3700, they have to be speed binning since those also will be using BE-5.

I think you're missing the point that the memory is only rated at 3200 or ddr400.. Anything above that designated rating is a bonus.. There aren't any guarentees made by anyone that you'll receive additional headroom or performance above what was advertised.. Just because people in the past received good results on some batches does not mean there are assurances given that future runs will overclock to the same levels as previous runs.. If mushkin decided to speed bin and keep better performing chips for their new DDR 3700 speed line then they are fully within their rights to do so..

If you feel ripped off that's your own fault for making faulty assumptions..

[Vapor]

Also, Doom5...if you're pissed you didn't get in on the right batch of sticks...look around some FS/FT forums and see what you can find that you can verify.

[acrh2]

Ok, this absolutely my last post in this thread with regard to this ram problem. I may post again if the problem is resolved. Otherwise I will not. Forgive me in advance if it's slightly flamatory.

Disclaimer: Please do not misunderstand this little write up. I have the utmost respect for Mr. Tom from Mushkin for willing to even listen to us, let alone help. I also appreciate such a generous move.
This little essay has the purpose of shutting up those unreasonably annoying and mean posters who are bent on not letting me have the ram I thought I was buying.

Here's the deal in terms a common jerk can understand.

Assumption: First of all, there's an issue with this particular product. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be a long thread here. The cause has not been established with certainty, although several theories exist.
The cause and the possible solution will most likely be discovered on Monday. Please continue reading.

1)Selling memory is a business.
2)Businesses in this country (U.S. of A.) are based on competition.
3)In recent years, computer part manufacturers have been devoting A LOT of attention to cater to overclockers to stay competitive (a simple example, BFG OC brand).
4)In this particular case, the overclockers in question (myself and others who bought this batch of ram) have been far from catered to.
5)That makes this particular batch of the product noncompetitive.
6)Thus there's a direct connection between this memory not working as well as it has been previously reported by others (See above) and the business (Mushkin) suffering from it.
7)Therefore, it is in the interest of this business to try to resolve an issue like this as quickly as possible, and thus avoid drop in sales.

This is why our comments on "expecting better permformance than advertised" are relevant.

Let me illustrate this with a real world example. I will use my favorite online reseller Newegg in this case, as the identity of the shop (Monarch in reality) is not relevant.

Example: While the overclocking community is relatively small compared to general buyers, the value of a particular product to this general buyer may depend greately on the potential overclocking potential of the product.
A person is looking for some good 2x1GB ram at Newegg's website. He eyes this great looking Blue Heatspreader High Performance Mushkin ram. He may or may not have heard of Mushkin, but he would most likely look at a few reviews on this product right at the Newegg website. He will see a comment stating that not only does this ram not come with the pretty blue heatspreader, it might not even work as well in his computer as a far better performing and far cheaper competitive product from a company OCZ:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227210
Which ram do you think he's going to buy?

Disclaimer: Please do not misunderstand this little write up. I have the utmost respect for Mr. Tom from Mushkin for willing to even listen to us, let alone help. I also appreciate such a generous move.
This little essay has the purpose of shutting up those unreasonably annoying and mean poster who are bent on not letting me have the ram I thought I was buying.

[situman]

what would tat issue be? that it works at stock speed?

[100proof]

Assumption: First of all, there's an issue with this particular product. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be a long thread here. The cause has not been established with certainty, although several theories exist.
The cause and the possible solution will most likely be discovered on Monday. Please continue reading. The issue here is that several buyers "assumed" they were going to receive a higher performing product than what was advertised. Until more information can be diagnosed regarding the motherboard and bios combinations being used, it would probably be wise not to jump to conclusions so quickly..



1)Selling memory is a business.
No it couldn't be.. :p:
2)Businesses in this country (U.S. of A.) are based on competition.
Yes, I think most people would agree that is the basis of capitalism..
3)In recent years, computer part manufacturers have been devoting A LOT of attention to cater to overclockers to stay competitive (a simple example, BFG OC brand).
Agreed
4)In this particular case, the overclockers in question (myself and others who bought this batch of ram) have been far from catered to. There are no guarentees in overclocking.. Catering is not mandatory by any business especially when the product performs at a rated spec..
5)That makes this particular batch of the product noncompetitive. The product performs at the rated speed.. It is competitive at that rated speed.. No assurances or guarentees were made for performance above that rating.
6)Thus there's a direct connection between this memory not working as well as it has been previously reported by others (See above) and the business (Mushkin) suffering from it. There are no guarentees in overclocking..
7)Therefore, it is in the interest of this business to try to resolve an issue like this as quickly as possible, and thus avoid drop in sales. Mushkin has a choice to make when offering products to sell to the public, as well as choice concerning what headroom they wish to include above the rated speed of each product.. A consumer has the decision to make when choosing a product to purchase.. Your concern is related to the value of the purchase, but your argument is flawed.. There were no assurances made by Mushkin that this product will perfom at anything but rated spec..

This is why our comments on "expecting better permformance than advertised" are relevant.

I'm a consumer myself, but I'm also aware that there are no guarentees made other than how the product itself is advertised..


Let me illustrate this with a real world example. I will use my favorite online reseller Newegg in this case, as the identity of the shop (Monarch in reality) is not relevant.

Example: While the overclocking community is relatively small compared to general buyers, the value of a particular product to this general buyer may depend greately on the potential overclocking potential of the product.
A person is looking for some good 2x1GB ram at Newegg's website. He eyes this great looking Blue Heatspreader High Performance Mushkin ram. He may or may not have heard of Mushkin, but he would most likely look at a few reviews on this product right at the Newegg website. He will see a comment stating that not only does this ram not come with the pretty blue heatspreader, it might not even work as well in his computer as a far better performing and far cheaper competitive product from a company OCZ:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227210
Which ram do you think he's going to buy?

I'm sure Mushkin considers consumer feedback when making choices to develop and make products available for purchase..

Disclaimer: Please do not misunderstand this little write up. I have the utmost respect for Mr. Tom from Mushkin for willing to even listen to us, let alone help. I also appreciate such a generous move.
This little essay has the purpose of shutting up those unreasonably annoying and mean poster who are bent on not letting me have the ram I thought I was buying.

Your reply is tactful and well written, which is more than I can say for Doom5's posts. Hopefully, Tom is willing to work with you to address the needs of one of his customers. If I were Tom, I'd tell Doom5 if the memory performs as advertised then you received a functional product, but that's just me.. :)

Disclaimer: I'm not a Mushkin employee, nor do I speak for Mushkin or any of their employees or private business ventures. :D None of my personal comments reflect Mushkin's stance on concerns expressed by customers within this thread. :banana:

[Vapor]

They also have a disclaimer on their website about HS color...so don't bark up that tree any longer.

You're lucky Tom is such a great guy...if I were the Mushkin rep, I'd coax you telling you that the 808 batch was rare. You're lucky he's helping....now THAT's a service to the community!

[wildboar]

Lookie here! A rare breed blue heatsink 808 PCB was spotted on May 22, 2005:

http://www.techniz.co.uk/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=250&page=3

:woot:

[Vapor]

I wonder if those little chips (or whatever they are) below the IC are 220's or 330's...

[Doom5]

The issue is that Mushkin didn't tell us they'd be releasing new memory right when the new shipment came in and we all ordered, and they'd be speed-binning the memory so we'd have little chance to overclock. The older HP3200 owners didn't have that issue because the HP3200 was the top of the line chip for 1GB, just like I and others thought we were getting. But instead, if my theory holds true, we got the 3700 rejects which have no chance of overclocking like the old HP3200 did. If I had known they'd be doing this, I surely wouldn't have bought the chips.

The chips I have don't respond to voltage acrh2s, going to CAS 3 does not help at all, and the new chips are rated at CAS 3 and higher speeds than we can obtain.

The reason I paid the price premium I did is so I could have the best 1GB sticks out there with tight timings, which the Ballistix don't provide as well, and cost WAY over my budget. Like I said before, my brother's OCZ Value Ram on an 808 BP PCB non the less runs 225 Cas 2.5 for $130 less, 2x1GB also.

I understand my memory runs at the advetised speeds fine, but they didn't sell us top of the line memory like they did to previous HP3200 owners. They're keeping all those for the 3700 memory, which wasn't announced until days after we all ordered our 3200. Does anyone see where I'm coming from?

[100proof]

The issue is that Mushkin didn't tell us they'd be releasing new memory right when the new shipment came in and we all ordered, and they'd be speed-binning the memory so we'd have little chance to overclock. The older HP3200 owners didn't have that issue because the HP3200 was the top of the line chip for 1GB, just like I and others thought we were getting. But instead, if my theory holds true, we got the 3700 rejects which have no chance of overclocking like the old HP3200 did. If I had known they'd be doing this, I surely wouldn't have bought the chips.

The chips I have don't respond to voltage acrh2s, going to CAS 3 does not help at all, and the new chips are rated at CAS 3 and higher speeds than we can obtain.

The reason I paid the price premium I did is so I could have the best 1GB sticks out there with tight timings, which the Ballistix don't provide as well, and cost WAY over my budget. Like I said before, my brother's OCZ Value Ram on an 808 BP PCB non the less runs 225 Cas 2.5 for $130 less, 2x1GB also.

I understand my memory runs at the advetised speeds fine, but they didn't sell us top of the line memory like they did to previous HP3200 owners. They're keeping all those for the 3700 memory, which wasn't announced until days after we all ordered our 3200. Does anyone see where I'm coming from?

Totally follow you, and see your perspective entirely.. You're disappointed that you saw a few cases of people who purchased the same memory that got good results and assumed those results represented every single batch of mushkin 3200 blue ever made. It's disappointing if people end up purchasing a set of ram that doesn't have much headroom. The thing is mushkin hasn't done anything wrong here.. Their product still performs at rated speed and no assurances are given when overclocking above rated speeds.. This is an issue of perceived performance based on a few good cases from people in the 2x1GB OC database compared to the actual rating of the product itself... You can't claim they didn't sell you top of the line memory because the modules in question were never rated to perform higher than 3200 from the start.. Mushkin doesn't have to tell you they're speed binning memory either. On a business level they also don't have to sell a product worth more money for less money than its worth.. If that happened most businesses would go bankrupt...

[Duonger]

i see what you are saying but look at it from a business pov. if we release these 3700 or the 4000 next week, it will still be the same. new memory will come out that outperforms the current one but the ones u have still did well beyond the rated spec. dont worry, just call in monday and we will see what we can do for you. we are not here to con you, deceive you or take ur money and run. the product u have is still performing better than its rated spec and overclocking is also not guarantee and it is also the knowledge of the user/ overclocker. if it makes u happy we will see what we can do. if we do this for everyone, we will not be around much longer.

good night.

D

edit-we have never told anyone when or what we are releasing. we have other stuff in the works but when we release it is unknow. 1gig 3200 2-3-3, 1gig 4000 2.5-3-3, 1gig 4400.. even if we release them.



The issue is that Mushkin didn't tell us they'd be releasing new memory right when the new shipment came in and we all ordered, and they'd be speed-binning the memory so we'd have little chance to overclock. The older HP3200 owners didn't have that issue because the HP3200 was the top of the line chip for 1GB, just like I and others thought we were getting. But instead, if my theory holds true, we got the 3700 rejects which have no chance of overclocking like the old HP3200 did. If I had known they'd be doing this, I surely wouldn't have bought the chips.

The chips I have don't respond to voltage acrh2s, going to CAS 3 does not help at all, and the new chips are rated at CAS 3 and higher speeds than we can obtain.

The reason I paid the price premium I did is so I could have the best 1GB sticks out there with tight timings, which the Ballistix don't provide as well, and cost WAY over my budget. Like I said before, my brother's OCZ Value Ram on an 808 BP PCB non the less runs 225 Cas 2.5 for $130 less, 2x1GB also.

I understand my memory runs at the advetised speeds fine, but they didn't sell us top of the line memory like they did to previous HP3200 owners. They're keeping all those for the 3700 memory, which wasn't announced until days after we all ordered our 3200. Does anyone see where I'm coming from?

[Vapor]

edit-we have never told anyone when or what we are releasing. we have other stuff in the works but when we release it is unknow. 1gig 3200 2-3-3, 1gig 4000 2.5-3-3, 1gig 4400.. even if we release them.
:slobber::slobber: Don't make me sell my Ballistix! :slobber::slobber:

[Capt_Caveman]

what would tat issue be? that it works at stock speed?
Thanks for the important input, Einstein. Can you add anything technical or useful to the discussion? Good work at keeping that post count up.

If I wanted the to buy a 2gb kit that worked at stock speed of PC3200 and timings of 2-3-2 what would I buy?

1. Mushkin HP 3200 $322
2. OCZ Platinum $242
3. Patriot $199

But reading reviews at AMDZone, individuals from several different forums, asking folks questions, I decide to buy the Mushkin b/c people are getting very good overclocks. If people don't get very overclocks, wouldn't you want to know, so you could avoid spending $100 more than other brands using the same chips? Be glad, that we're posting this information and letting people know.

Why in the world do people post such dumb comments as, "well it works at the rated speed?" Would you be happier to have some one post that it doesn't work at all and I have to RMA it? Or is it useful information to know that it doesn't overclock over 220 while people previously could get over 250?

This thread would be half as long without half the stupid comments.

[Doom5]

Thanks for the important input, Einstein. Can you add anything technical or useful to the discussion? Good work at keeping that post count up.

If I wanted the to buy a 2gb kit that worked at stock speed of PC3200 and timings of 2-3-2 what would I buy?

1. Mushkin HP 3200 $322
2. OCZ Platinum $242
3. Patriot $199

But reading reviews at AMDZone, individuals from several different forums, asking folks questions, I decide to buy the Mushkin b/c people are getting very good overclocks. If people don't get very overclocks, wouldn't you want to know, so you could avoid spending $100 more than other brands using the same chips? Be glad, that we're posting this information and letting people know.

Why in the world do people post such dumb comments as, "well it works at the rated speed?" Would you be happier to have some one post that it doesn't work at all and I have to RMA it? Or is it useful information to know that it doesn't overclock over 220 while people previously could get over 250?

This thread would be half as long without half the stupid comments.

Amen brother, there's no reason to pay that price premium with the results of these new chips.

[situman]

I do appreciate your experiences and experimentations with these rams. At the same time, I understand no two rams are created equal or anything else for that matter. If a few people can clock to 300mhz from pc3200 does that mean all will? Can you say you were cheated if u only clock up to 250 from pc3200 speeds? Can we really rely on any website reviews these days? Most websites don't report any issues with new releases, especially motherboards. If someone can turbocharge their car to 1000hp but you have the same car and it can only make 500hp from the stock 200hp but it works perfectly does that mean u got cheated? I guess Mushkin will never be allowed to release faster memory cause you bought its High End memory back then. It needs to compete and there's no way to compete with PC3200 when OCZ is releasing PC4000 at similar price points as the mushie pc3200. If there's no competition, 300 dollars for 2gigs of ram is bargain!

[Capt_Caveman]

I understand what you're saying. I never said I was cheated. I'm disappointed. The issue is that I had better expectations than what these chips are providing for performance. For $200, I could have bought Patriots 2-3-2 2gb kit. Most folks that own these have showed they oc comparable to these silver heatspreader Mushkin sticks at over $100 less money. Thus, Mushkin jacked up the prices on these and now they're poorer performers. If anything, they should have lowered the prices if they expect to compete w/ OCZ and Patriot at these timings for a 2gb kit.

Now these are a bargain:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453786?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGhttp://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453786?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGhttp://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453786?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

[Repoman]

Well, just ordered the final pieces of this new rig, a 3800 x2 and HD. We'll see how this silver heatspreader stuff does, I'm hoping I got some "good" sticks that run cas 2.5 at least 225

Personally I'm not overly disappointed since I only payed $265 for mine, sure it's more than comparable stuff, but not by much. We'll see if it gets ebayed or not when I oc it

[Doom5]

I've spoken to Mushkin, this isn't their fault the chips aren't overclocking so well and they didn't jip us. The latest BE-5 batch hasn't been an overclockers dream. Look at all the HP3200 reviews, most didn't clock very high at all, only the last two batches, from which rise3410, ninja, and professor got overclocked that high.

Mushkin's customer service treated me very well when I spoke to them, see if they can help you at all if you're unsatisfied.

[Sk0t]

Got my 2x1gb mushkin the other day, and so far the results are:

at 2-3-2-6-1T they wont go above 205-207mhz regardless of voltage.
at 2.5-3-3-6-1T they hit a "absolute wall" at 222mhz.

They can run 220mhz 2.5-3-3-6-T1 at 2.65v, but no amount of voltage/slacking timings will get them above that.

I knew I took a chance on them, I could have spend the extra bucks on Crucial ballistix if I did not dare the gamble ;)

Bought them locally in Denmark, and consumer-laws here allow me to return any internet-bought product within 14days for a full refund.

While initially disappointed, they have grown on me (bf2!) and I am not really sure if I will return them or not.

One problem remains though, I cant seem to run them with a divider :(

With my old ram I established that my SanDiego will run >2600mhz with decent temps. and with no divider I am stuck at 2420 (11x220).

I tried reading all settings from a64 tweaker, setting those in bios and booting with mem set at 166 (tried htt from 200-240) yet everytime windows will greet me with a BSOD :(

Any idea how to get these on divider? I have 10days left to return them if I cant run a divider, any help greatly appreciated !

EDIT:
@Duonger: Not sure if this is your department, but theres an error on the muskin site, it lists Watercooling.dk/waterheads.dk as official danish resellers/distributers, but they have no mushkin products, I mailed them, and they said the former owner of the site was a mushkin reseller, they have contacted mushkin about it, but the error is still there.

[gundamit]

Now these are a bargain:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453786?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGhttp://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453786?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGhttp://shop4.outpost.com/product/4453786?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PGBut they're out of stock. :(

[AlkyHauler]

Sell the memory, put a lil more l00t with it and get the ballistix. The ballistix will make you happy.
Thats why I spent a MONTH making the decision to go with Mushkin, who's to say that as soon as I spend even MORE for ballistix that I won't get binned rejects AGAIN? I am not asking for Mushkin to exchange my memory, it runs at stated speed. But for those of us that spend a lot of time AND MONEY trying to build the absolute fastest rig for our investment this sure was a huge let down. I knew I should have just gotten the crucial value and saved $100...

[Duonger]

EDIT:
@Duonger: Not sure if this is your department, but theres an error on the muskin site, it lists Watercooling.dk/waterheads.dk as official danish resellers/distributers, but they have no mushkin products, I mailed them, and they said the former owner of the site was a mushkin reseller, they have contacted mushkin about it, but the error is still there.


Ask them to email me and I will speak to the sales dept.

tom@mushkin.com

Duonger

[Duonger]

But they're out of stock. :(

here- to ease the $ pain. we have worked a promo with monarch

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140562

Duonger

PS. i am sorry if i placed this in the wrong place.

[Vapor]

here- to ease the $ pain. we have worked a promo with monarch

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140562

Duonger

PS. i am sorry if i placed this in the wrong place.Ooooh! $252 is a really good price for those...that's like 60% of what I paid for my Ballistix. :fact:

[HiJon89]

Bottom line is, does it work as advertised? On the package, does it say it will work beyond stock speed? If yes and no respectively, you really cant complain at all.
People don't buy Mushkin RAM to run at stock speeds. You're right in that Mushkin isn't "required" to do anything about it, but if Mushkin wants to maintain a good reputation among overclockers (who make up most of their customers) I suggest that they do.

[Duonger]

People don't buy Mushkin RAM to run at stock speeds. You're right in that Mushkin isn't "required" to do anything about it, but if Mushkin wants to maintain a good reputation among overclockers (who make up most of their customers) I suggest that they do.


true but they are running at 220. we think it is the lat batch of chips we got in from infineon... i have been complaining to them for the last 3 days. new batch this week seems to be running better.

Duonger

[Ackbar]

true but they are running at 220. we think it is the lat batch of chips we got in from infineon... i have been complaining to them for the last 3 days. new batch this week seems to be running better.

Duonger

Any way we could find out when the new batch will hit stores and what stores will have it?

[revlimit]

Are the ones from Monarch the better batch?

[Duonger]

im not sure and i dont want to step out of my bounds or make any promises that i will get ridicule for later.

Duonger

[aMp]

im not sure and i dont want to step out of my bounds or make any promises that i will get ridicule for later.

Duonger
Given some of the stuff flying around here...probably a good call. Remember folks, Duo's just here to relay what Mushkin's working on and to give us a hand with any problems. He never made any promises, and Mushkin made only those that were on the sticks -- 2-3-2-6 at DDR400. Anything else is gravy.

Anyhoo, with that $252 deal I'll play the guinea pig and snap up a pair from Monarch. Those timings alone are worth the $50 I'd save on value sticks. I'll let you know how they clock in a few days....

-aMp-

[Vapor]

Given some of the stuff flying around here...probably a good call. Remember folks, Duo's just here to relay what Mushkin's working on and to give us a hand with any problems. He never made any promises, and Mushkin made only those that were on the sticks -- 2-3-2-6 at DDR400. Anything else is gravy.

Anyhoo, with that $252 deal I'll play the guinea pig and snap up a pair from Monarch. Those timings alone are worth the $50 I'd save on value sticks. I'll let you know how they clock in a few days....

-aMp-
That's the spirit...definitely let us know what how those sticks do!

[revlimit]

yes, keep us posted. I might jump on this deal if the result are good.

[aMp]

Sticks came in this morning. Memtests fine at SPD 2-3-2-6, so far, so good. Unfortunately it caps out at around 225, even at 3-3-3-8 and regardless of volts. Probably could push it to an even 233 with some extensive tweaking. I'm currently priming them at an (apparently) dead-stable 220MHz 2.5-3-2-6.

One of the weird aspects of overclocking is that a person can get exactly what they pay for, or slightly more, and still be pretty disappointed....

-aMp-

[Doom5]

220 was my cap too, it just seems like this batch of BE-5 memory, not just from Mushkin maxes out at around 220, regardless of timings and voltage. I've seem similar results from recent Patriot and OCZ memory, and I've seen better ones, so it all depends on the batch of BE-5 you get, at least that's what I believe.

Apparantly Patriot is switching their 2-3-2 memory over to CE-5/CE-6 which will give the Ballistix a run for the money at around $200-$250 for a pair, if the results from most chips are consistant with the ones posted by one user on 2x1GB database.

Tom, do you know if Mushkin intends to release any memory based on the new those new infineon chips, or do you have any information on those chips and if they're all supposed to clock higher? Thanks!

[ozzimark]

im not sure and i dont want to step out of my bounds or make any promises that i will get ridicule for later.

Duonger
i don't poke about in mushkin based threads much, so this is one of the first times i have seen you about here.. but that aside.

i'm thoroughly impressed witn Duonger's replies. overclocking is never a given. this has been discussed to death, so i won't really talk about that, but instead something else that is glaring at me.

CAS LATENCY!

now. i don't know how much BE-5 benefits from bumping up cas to 3, but here's my logic on the matter.

my crucial value. 2.5-3-2 was good to 220mhz or so. 3-3-3 got me to 250mhz. nowhere in thread thread have i seen any indication that anyone has tried laxing the timings a bit more to see where it would take them. before you exhaust every tweaking option, one should not complain about oc'ing ;)

edit: just saw aMp's results. so much for my comment.. hahaha

[Doom5]

i don't poke about in mushkin based threads much, so this is one of the first times i have seen you about here.. but that aside.

i'm thoroughly impressed witn Duonger's replies. overclocking is never a given. this has been discussed to death, so i won't really talk about that, but instead something else that is glaring at me.

CAS LATENCY!

now. i don't know how much BE-5 benefits from bumping up cas to 3, but here's my logic on the matter.

my crucial value. 2.5-3-2 was good to 220mhz or so. 3-3-3 got me to 250mhz. nowhere in thread thread have i seen any indication that anyone has tried laxing the timings a bit more to see where it would take them. before you exhaust every tweaking option, one should not complain about oc'ing ;)

edit: just saw aMp's results. so much for my comment.. hahaha

Timings and CAS latency had no effect for me at all, along with multiple other users along with voltage.

[J-Mag]

Sticks came in this morning. Memtests fine at SPD 2-3-2-6, so far, so good. Unfortunately it caps out at around 225, even at 3-3-3-8 and regardless of volts. Probably could push it to an even 233 with some extensive tweaking. I'm currently priming them at an (apparently) dead-stable 220MHz 2.5-3-2-6.

One of the weird aspects of overclocking is that a person can get exactly what they pay for, or slightly more, and still be pretty disappointed....

-aMp-

which drive / data strengths are you runnin'?

[Duonger]

im have been really following in this thread. im sorry that most of you are not happy but these do run at 200 and better. i have talked to management about this and we will do something to keep you guys happy. we are going to release some 4000 parts by this weekend or early monday. i will not post latency here yet but i will see if we can do something to keep you guys happy.

Duonger

[Vapor]

Wow Tom!.....anyway, good too see Mushkin responding to the community and brining out an even better product.

[gundamit]

Apparantly Patriot is switching their 2-3-2 memory over to CE-5/CE-6 which will give the Ballistix a run for the money at around $200-$250 for a pair, if the results from most chips are consistant with the ones posted by one user on 2x1GB database. Hmmm ... I have a set of the Patriot 2-3-2 on back order through Outpost right now. I wonder what the chances are that Outpost will fill the order with the new sticks. Probably not good since Patriot will have to issue a new product ID number. I'm tempted to cancel and reorder when the new sticks appear. If you can get to PC4000 speeds even at loose timings the $200-$250 price would give these sticks a great bang/buck ratio.

A quick peek at the updated Patriot web site still lists the PDC1G2G3200LLK low latency sticks (http://www.patriotmem.com/products/specs/PDC1G2G3200LLK.PDF) although they do seem to have new finned heatspreaders.

[gundamit]

im not sure and i dont want to step out of my bounds or make any promises that i will get ridicule for later. If you're looking to avoid ridicule stop posting deals at FatWallet. (http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/511736/) Your thread rating is getting hammered. ;) Those cheap bastards at FW only want memory thats compatible with their $200 Dell systems anyway. :D

[beta67]

I've been looking into purchashing a set of 2 x 1GB ram, so this thread became of some interest to me. As someone who likes to tinker with his pc, overclock it, and frequently buy new products to play with, i usually try to look for the best performance for my money.

I took notice of the comment make about the latest 'batch' of infineon chips, and how they don't overclock well. But I honestly don't buy that excuse. When the retailer buys their bulk of BE-5, the retailer is obviously gonna sort out the chips so they can put the best ones in their highest line of products.. aka as speed binning. The ones that don't meet their top_of_the_line requirements will get shifted into their lower lines of memory.

It seems as though when a new memory chip first hits the market, the retailers soak in how the overclockers are doing with them, then based on that, they will all of a sudden come out with higher lines of memory with higher prices.

Yeah, i am not complaining, only stating what i believe to be a fact. Businesses exist for one thing, to make money. But there is no need to lie or make excuses, or let them circulate... such as how the last batch of Infineon chips don't perform well when they are the same ones going into your top tier modules. Instead you should just tell people to buy your top_tier_memory :P

[Duonger]

If you're looking to avoid ridicule stop posting deals at FatWallet. (http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/511736/) Your thread rating is getting hammered. ;) Those cheap bastards at FW only want memory thats compatible with their $200 Dell systems anyway. :D

that is part of my duties. once our configurator goes up i have more to do.

D

[Duonger]

I've been looking into purchashing a set of 2 x 1GB ram, so this thread became of some interest to me. As someone who likes to tinker with his pc, overclock it, and frequently buy new products to play with, i usually try to look for the best performance for my money.

I took notice of the comment make about the latest 'batch' of infineon chips, and how they don't overclock well. But I honestly don't buy that excuse. When the retailer buys their bulk of BE-5, the retailer is obviously gonna sort out the chips so they can put the best ones in their highest line of products.. aka as speed binning. The ones that don't meet their top_of_the_line requirements will get shifted into their lower lines of memory.

It seems as though when a new memory chip first hits the market, the retailers soak in how the overclockers are doing with them, then based on that, they will all of a sudden come out with higher lines of memory with higher prices.

Yeah, i am not complaining, only stating what i believe to be a fact. Businesses exist for one thing, to make money. But there is no need to lie or make excuses, or let them circulate... such as how the last batch of Infineon chips don't perform well when they are the same ones going into your top tier modules. Instead you should just tell people to buy your top_tier_memory :P


we will not be using be-5 in these.

Duonger

[aMp]

im have been really following in this thread. im sorry that most of you are not happy but these do run at 200 and better. i have talked to management about this and we will do something to keep you guys happy. we are going to release some 4000 parts by this weekend or early monday. i will not post latency here yet but i will see if we can do something to keep you guys happy.

Duonger

Never said I wasn't happy. I got a pretty good deal on a low-latency 2GB kit, which is really all I was looking for; like I said before I bought 'em, the "timings alone are worth the $50 I'd save on value sticks."

So I'm perfectly happy with the results -- it's just that, like any good overclocker, I had visions of DDR520 @ 2.5-3-3-6. Kinda like losing the lottery, I guess -- unreasonable to think you'd win, but you're still disappointed (momentarily, at least) when you don't. ;)

Anyway, thanks for your help Duonger. It's good to see a company get involved in the community, in spite of all the hazards doing so entails.

-aMp-

[Vapor]

I've been looking into purchashing a set of 2 x 1GB ram, so this thread became of some interest to me. As someone who likes to tinker with his pc, overclock it, and frequently buy new products to play with, i usually try to look for the best performance for my money.

I took notice of the comment make about the latest 'batch' of infineon chips, and how they don't overclock well. But I honestly don't buy that excuse. When the retailer buys their bulk of BE-5, the retailer is obviously gonna sort out the chips so they can put the best ones in their highest line of products.. aka as speed binning. The ones that don't meet their top_of_the_line requirements will get shifted into their lower lines of memory.

It seems as though when a new memory chip first hits the market, the retailers soak in how the overclockers are doing with them, then based on that, they will all of a sudden come out with higher lines of memory with higher prices.

Yeah, i am not complaining, only stating what i believe to be a fact. Businesses exist for one thing, to make money. But there is no need to lie or make excuses, or let them circulate... such as how the last batch of Infineon chips don't perform well when they are the same ones going into your top tier modules. Instead you should just tell people to buy your top_tier_memory :P
The recent BE-5 batch (the one you are alluding to at least) was in fact not good at overclocking. There was a higher line introduced, but truth be told, those BE-5 were simply not as good as the previous ones. Both contributed to why the PC3200 line didn't hit 260 2.5-3-2, but I don't even think the PC3700 line hit those speeds.

[Repoman]

Damn, I just remembered that I emailed Mushkin about the new batch, they said nothing was different! I guess getting bad be-5 and low binned crap doesn't qualify as different

[Duonger]

Damn, I just remembered that I emailed Mushkin about the new batch, they said nothing was different! I guess getting bad be-5 and low binned crap doesn't qualify as different

no- it meant that inhouse they were tested at spec and it ran at 200 2-3-2 so to our CS there is nothing different. but for you oc`er it is a world of differnt.

Duonger

[Doom5]

Will the PC4000 memory use the CE chips from Infineon?

[Eloxxd]

i heard that mushkin changed something at this chips. is it ture ? - because the overclockingresults look very fine

[$anch3z]

ah well i'm still stuck at 217 at stock timings 2-3-2-6, same as everyone else here with the dreaded silver batch - no amount of volts or slack timings will shift em higher

[Vapor]

217 2-3-2-6 is damn good for 2GB of moderately priced RAM, I'd be happy.

[Doom5]

Yeah, in memory benchmarks high FSBs are nice, but in the real world, the Athlon 64 doesn't crave memory bandwidth and real-life app benchmarks show this. Tight timings seem to be more important from what I've read.

[Vapor]

Definitely....although my 3GB of 280 3-3-3-0 2T ain't doing too badly (it'd be much worse at lower HTT I reckon, even with tighter timings). Too bad I need to keep my CPU and GPU 'underclocked' cause my radiator fans are dead...I guess I can live with 270x10/505/1440 for the time being. :D

[JNav89GT]

Will the PC4000 memory use the CE chips from Infineon?
from what I'm told no

[Doom5]

from what I'm told no

Interesting, sounds like Mushkin has a nice suprise up their sleeves! :)

[Vapor]

I've got a hunch that the PC4000 sticks will be the best out there....

[stealth17]

they are out..any updates?

[JNav89GT]

i got some for testing
will get shots up later and start a thread

I get 257 at 3-4-3-8 and 270 at 3-4-4-8 all at 2.7v +0.03v option in dfi.
These are alot easier to tweak and setup versus infineon BE-5 which seem to be quite picky about settings. Of course, maybe that's just me being more framiliar with these new 1gb modules as well. And I must admit I used my baseline BE-5 tune except changed the trp and trcd a bit.

*edit* this comment was in relation to the new Mushkin PC4000 modules with samsung IC's. Not the HP3200 line.

[chew*]

I noticed that some of the people that complained here were abit an8 users........What you should be doing is harassing abit about they're very finicky board that is very very picky with memory. I had picked up 4 x 256 of crucial PC 4000 and could not get them anywhere near rated specs with either 2 or 4 sticks with a known good 300fsb+ 3700+ memory controller. Face it the abit board is picky and so is chaintech from what i hear. Should I have ramed the ram and flamed crucial? well i didn't I stuck them in another board (gigabyte) and now they run not only at rated specs but faster at 2.5-3-3-6-1T. Case in point Its not always the memories fault. As far as mushkin goes its about the best memory I have ever used when overclocking. Had i ordered the 1 gig sticks I would have looked through package and seen that they were indeed not bp 808 I would have returned them unopened back to reseller. Just as i would if i purchased a set of gskill and they were't week 440's or if i purchased a ati x800 xl and it didnt have the faster memory chips or a athlon 64 with a bad stepping........

The fact that the manufacturers package stuff so that we can actually see these codes without opening is a blessing and if you ignore these codes #rs or steppings then your ignorance is bliss.

P.S. Keep up the good work mushkin.

[Sentential]

i heard that mushkin changed something at this chips. is it ture ? - because the overclockingresults look very fine
To finally put that rumor to bed the anwser is no. We havent changed the chips in any of our 2GB packs at all. Recent bins from the factory poor have been poor on the PC3200 and the 3200 alone. We really cant control that issue :( I wish there was more I could say :stick:

Interesting, sounds like Mushkin has a nice suprise up their sleeves! :)
(see above)

[MonkSP]

ah well i'm still stuck at 217 at stock timings 2-3-2-6, same as everyone else here with the dreaded silver batch - no amount of volts or slack timings will shift em higher

I am having the same problem. I am cursing my 330€ (395 USD) I payed for this. If I knew this would not OC I would have gone for Patriot which cost a lot less. God I am mad.

I was used to good binning like my old Redline XP 4000 which did 270 htt 2-2-2. I knew this was not similar but stuch at this timings is gettiung me insane! I bough this in Portugal and PC4000 aren't here yet. If I even knew this b4 I had bought...

[MonkSP]

I am hating to make this post but this is second time I need Mushkin help and after 5 days I didn't have. JNav89GT helped me the previous time but where the hell is Mush support? I have registered in those forums 3 times and none of the accounts got the activation email. I don't want to call international to ask for support.

This is time to sell my Mush and go back to OCZ. This is why you are great guys!

[Duonger]

MonkSP

Contact me and I will see what we can do for you.

Duonger

[MonkSP]

I already did on 6th. Its incredible but your support forum doesnt accept new members! I submited 3 diferent logs with 3 diferent e-mails on diferent servers.

[MonkSP]

MonkSP

Contact me and I will see what we can do for you.

Duonger


After 20 days of leaving you the message and posting here I saw no resolution so I sold the memories. Really disapointed with Mush support.

[tgm_of_xxl]

hi I have an DFI SLI-DR Expert with an opty 144 and a pair of Mushkin HP3200 2-3-2-6 with infineon BE-5 (blue heat spreader, new model, like on their site http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?ID=193, the PCB is black).
Could you please help me improve the frequency for those mem sticks? Right now i'm running with 150 divier. Cand i get this mmory to 255Mhz? (166 divider).

Thanks in advance.

PS. In bios all the mem settings are set to Auto except for the 2.5-3-2-6-1T

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42200&d=1137064353

[fordf250]

The issue is that Mushkin didn't tell us they'd be releasing new memory right when the new shipment came in and we all ordered, and they'd be speed-binning the memory so we'd have little chance to overclock. The older HP3200 owners didn't have that issue because the HP3200 was the top of the line chip for 1GB, just like I and others thought we were getting. But instead, if my theory holds true, we got the 3700 rejects which have no chance of overclocking like the old HP3200 did. If I had known they'd be doing this, I surely wouldn't have bought the chips.

The chips I have don't respond to voltage acrh2s, going to CAS 3 does not help at all, and the new chips are rated at CAS 3 and higher speeds than we can obtain.

The reason I paid the price premium I did is so I could have the best 1GB sticks out there with tight timings, which the Ballistix don't provide as well, and cost WAY over my budget. Like I said before, my brother's OCZ Value Ram on an 808 BP PCB non the less runs 225 Cas 2.5 for $130 less, 2x1GB also.

I understand my memory runs at the advetised speeds fine, but they didn't sell us top of the line memory like they did to previous HP3200 owners. They're keeping all those for the 3700 memory, which wasn't announced until days after we all ordered our 3200. Does anyone see where I'm coming from?

Ocz did the same thing with TCCD to TCC5, Lots of us paid a premium for TCC5 thinking it was TCCD.

[ozzimark]

Ocz did the same thing with TCCD to TCC5, Lots of us paid a premium for TCC5 thinking it was TCCD.
though in the end, tcc5 and tccd aren't all that different now, are they? ;)

[fordf250]

though in the end, tcc5 and tccd aren't all that different now, are they? ;)

But I paid the price for tccd and the price of tcc5 is half that. Only the high binned tcc5 is clocking high you dont see anyone running ocz pc3200 rev2 in the nf4 mbs anymore.

[tgm_of_xxl]

So no one can help with some latencies or something?

[Tony]

But I paid the price for tccd and the price of tcc5 is half that. Only the high binned tcc5 is clocking high you dont see anyone running ocz pc3200 rev2 in the nf4 mbs anymore.
The IC's were around 1$ less than TCCD and we did actually pass this saving on to the end users, i actually remember Ryan posting about this as well as i did many times.

Sorry to be posting in a mushy thread, thats all i got to say

[FUGGER]

Not a problem Tony

If the memory runs at the rated speed then it is a good product. Manufactures are allowed to update product with newer modules as they become available.

[MonkSP]

Actually I have seen TCCD and TCC5 doing the same clock. How would they just be both marked as PC4800?

Why didn't mushy support answered ME when I posted here? To empty the channels with all lower end 3200 product.

[JNav89GT]

Not a problem Tony

If the memory runs at the rated speed then it is a good product. Manufactures are allowed to update product with newer modules as they become available.
agreed
people are buying memory based on specs not certain IC. I see nowhere on OCZ, Mushkin etc... labeling IC guaranteed or % headroom guaranteed.