The LCD Buyers Guide

[mambo]

I´m upgrading to a 24" Tft and i find the Dell 2407WFP very "seductive".
Found same interesting prices on eBay and i´m going to order one for me.
My doubt is which model:
Dell 2407WFP REV A04 or
Dell 2407WFP-HC Rev A00
The HC is the newer model, but is it better than the Rev A04?
What are the differences between these two models?
Help needed ...
Thanks

[Soulburner]

Buying one on Ebay will be very tricky...that's where people will dump the ones they don't want...like old revisions.

[leoftw]

I now have dual LP2065's :)

[Soulburner]

I've been running the Acer AL2051W 20" WS here.

First thing I noticed was the gorgeous screen - it has a glossy coating and it just looks awesome.

Second, the viewing angle. I have never seen anything like it. You can be standing off to the side and still see whats on the screen. It is the least picky LCD I have used in regards to viewing angle - it just doesn't care where you are.

It doesn't match my BenQ FP241 in color however it does admirably. But for $199 I couldn't resist and I couldn't have been happier. All of the other 20" panels in that range were TN based and just would not suit my needs for this build.

It seems to have about the same response time as the BenQ, no noticeable ghosting and gaming is just dandy. There seems to be some noticeable input lag - however I haven't tested the Deathadder on here so I can't be 100% sure. I am using an MX518 at the moment and I don't plan on installing the Razer software to get the DA working so I can only assume its due to the mouse, unless someone else can comment on this.

There is noticeable backlight bleeding, and its actually pretty bad compared to what I've seen. Still though its not something I am too worried about because you only see it when the screen goes black. For some it is a total dealbreaker though.

[Knight]

I've been running the Acer AL2051W 20" WS here.

First thing I noticed was the gorgeous screen - it has a glossy coating and it just looks awesome.

Second, the viewing angle. I have never seen anything like it. You can be standing off to the side and still see whats on the screen. It is the least picky LCD I have used in regards to viewing angle - it just doesn't care where you are.

It doesn't match my BenQ FP241 in color however it does admirably. But for $199 I couldn't resist and I couldn't have been happier. All of the other 20" panels in that range were TN based and just would not suit my needs for this build.

It seems to have about the same response time as the BenQ, no noticeable ghosting and gaming is just dandy. There seems to be some noticeable input lag - however I haven't tested the Deathadder on here so I can't be 100% sure. I am using an MX518 at the moment and I don't plan on installing the Razer software to get the DA working so I can only assume its due to the mouse, unless someone else can comment on this.

There is noticeable backlight bleeding, and its actually pretty bad compared to what I've seen. Still though its not something I am too worried about because you only see it when the screen goes black. For some it is a total dealbreaker though.

I am happy with mine as well. :D One of the best purchases that I have ever made, but the backlight bleed is not that noticeable. It is more uniform and faint for me. (no white patches in the corners like my old monitor)

Only my opinion

[Soulburner]

The backlighting on mine isn't even around the edges like on most LCDs. It looks more like spotlighting, like a bunch of lights aimed downward on a stage. Its rather odd...anyway I never see them save for that occasional black screen.

[vafan13]

Alright, it looks like I may take a plunge into the LCD world. I am trying to decide between the NEC 20WMGX2 and the Dell 2407WFP-HC. Currently I'm running a CRT at 1280x1024 and my main concern is, how much of a performance hit am I going to take with the reso being bumped up for the 20" and 24" monitors respectfully? I can afford the Dell, but right now I simply can't afford to buy another 8800gtx if that's what I would need to run new games well.

Man, I wish there was a 22" non-TN with a reso between the 20s and 24s. =/

[Soulburner]

It sounds like you have an 8800GTX already. If that's the case you have plenty of power for 1920x1200.

[vafan13]

I came accross something interesting about the GX2:

"But you can't go to 4:3 mode when using it in "PC" mode. Normally, we'd just go into the driver and set it to use the display adapter to scale. But the NEC refused to go into 4:3 mode even when we did this. It was a pretty odd quirk, but may only mean something if you really care about the aspect ratio of your PC content when running in 4:3 mode."

Does this mean that instead of being able to have black bars on the sides in older games that don't do widescreen, I am going to be forced to have it stretched out?

[Soulburner]

Yeah that's what that means. Some monitors have correct scaling options and others do not.

I say go 24" :D

Not only do you get the size...but these monitors are generally of higher quality, including more inputs and options in the OSD, sturdier stands and better adjustability. That's why you pay so much more.

[vafan13]

Oddly enough, the GX2 is by far the highest-quality 20". No idea why they mucked up the scaling. I wish I could test the damn things before I buy one.

I will probably end up with the 2407WFP-HC. The BenQ FP241W looks to be quite amazing as well, however, I simply can not afford the increased price.

[vafan13]

Well, Dell pulled a fast one on me. I went to order the monitor today and the price, which had been at $569 is now at $669. Didn't see anything about it being a limited time offer, but oh well. :shrug: Even the "sponsored link" on eBay for the monitor from Dell shows it at $569.

Guess I'll be looking to eBay now.



My doubt is which model:
Dell 2407WFP REV A04 or
Dell 2407WFP-HC Rev A00
The HC is the newer model, but is it better than the Rev A04?
What are the differences between these two models?
Help needed ...
Thanks

The HC is better. It is basically the non-HC Rev. A04, but with a wide cold-cathode fluorescent blacklight (allowing it to do more colors, better).

EDIT: Oi, I just found out that the 2407WFP (both HC and non) has a bug that causes bad ghosting. Dell is currently working to fix it (http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_monitor&thread.id=81254&view=by_date_ascending&page=7) and release rev A01 of the HC model, which means this is going to have to be a belated bday gift for me. Oh well.

On a side note, has anyone heard anything about the LG L246WP-BN? *Supposedly it has the same panel as the BenQ FP241W but without the black flicker problem. However, at only $500 I am not entirely convinced it has the same panel as the $730 BenQ.

[Soulburner]

What black flicker problem?

It sounds like you are talking about the flame frame insertion technology and that is only on the FP241WZ.

It can also be disabled, but then its pointless to spend the money on it at that point. Then you just have an FP241W with worse color.

Beware of those $400-500 24" LCD's out currently. They are mostly using TN based LCD panels and skimping on features to get the price down that low. Not saying they are bad, just make sure you know what you are getting before you throw down the money thinking its a bargain.

[vafan13]

What black flicker problem?

It sounds like you are talking about the flame frame insertion technology and that is only on the FP241WZ.

It can also be disabled, but then its pointless to spend the money on it at that point. Then you just have an FP241W with worse color.

Beware of those $400-500 24" LCD's out currently. They are mostly using TN based LCD panels and skimping on features to get the price down that low. Not saying they are bad, just make sure you know what you are getting before you throw down the money thinking its a bargain.

Yes, I meant the WZ, and what I actually meant (man i messed up that last post) was the "blackouts" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UrVxtIxfu4)that occur, where the entire screen goes black for 1/2 second.

[KMEI]

I've been using Hyundai L90D+ since it was released, about 3 years now or so - and I'm thinking of buying a new monitor.


What monitors would you recommend, WS and non-WS.
You could say I watch movies etc 50% and play games 50% - but I would prior good image quality. Any recommendations?

edit: Samsung 245B looks damn nice.

[Soulburner]

I've been using Hyundai L90D+ since it was released, about 3 years now or so - and I'm thinking of buying a new monitor.


What monitors would you recommend, WS and non-WS.
You could say I watch movies etc 50% and play games 50% - but I would prior good image quality. Any recommendations?

edit: Samsung 245B looks damn nice.
Yes try reading some of the thread over the last 10 pages or so, there is plenty of information to answer this question.

[Machinus]

I saw a video of the severe ghosting on the 2407 HC, revision A00. I'm not sure this was correct in future revisions.

How do the 2407 and F241 compare for gaming?

[adamsleath]

A04 i have also heard is better.

i think it is possible to get a HC version that is A04 - (well i thought all HC's were A04; A04 is later model rev than A00)

edit : but it looks like it's the other way around...............................
Dell is currently working to fix it and release rev A01 of the HC model

sounds like more "dodgy dodgy" if someone is putting A00 panels in 2407-hc labelled lcd's :rolleyes:

[i hope this isnt another samsung 226bw like scam. (substituting crap panels in a model with a good reputation)]

[Soulburner]

I saw a video of the severe ghosting
Wait a minute - you saw a video of ghosting?

How can you put much faith into that? Ghosting is directly related to retinal persistence, and cameras don't exactly work like our eyes do.

[WiCKeD]

Superb guide

[187(V)URD@]

What about the samsung 245T?
I am searching for a 24" screen that can do 1900*1200 or 1600*1200.

No TN screen, I prefer MVA or S-IPS.
Is it good to wait for buying a screen because i notice that nothing has changed much after my Benq FP937S+.

[Soulburner]

Specs look really good on the 245t

http://www.samsung.com/he/products/monitor/intelligent/245t.asp

Only thing I would be worried about is the color gamut and response time.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Monitor Calibration Systems and you! (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1166367)
This maybe some help

[Evi]

I didn't see anything in the guide about native resolutions, and I have questions about this. I have never used an LCD for gaming before, so I have no idea how they run at different resolutions. I want to buy an LCD that is at least 1900 res, so I can push my graphics to the max, but what happens when I play older games that don't support resolutions that high, or even support widescreen resolutions period?

[ChaosMinionX]

Does Samsung make any 8bit 24" panels?

[Soulburner]

Actually all 24" monitors were originally 8-bit from the beginning. Its only recently that they started bringing more affordable 6-bit 24" monitors to market.

I didn't see anything in the guide about native resolutions, and I have questions about this. I have never used an LCD for gaming before, so I have no idea how they run at different resolutions. I want to buy an LCD that is at least 1900 res, so I can push my graphics to the max, but what happens when I play older games that don't support resolutions that high, or even support widescreen resolutions period?
A good monitor will have scaling options. These let you decide if you want the image enlarged to fill the screen or keep it 1:1.

[ChaosMinionX]

Think ill wait for OLED based LCD monitors to come out... looking forward to Samsungs new HD-LCDs to drop in price then I will probably pick up one of those as well.

[Cpl Ledanek]

is this a good buy for my eVGA 7900 256 GT?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/410YAXZDG1L._AA280_.jpg

Acer AL2416wd 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor

Product Features
1000:1 contrast ratio
DVI-D and VGA signal connectors
6ms gray-to-gray repsonse time
Supports 1.2 times more pixels then a standard 20 LCD
16:10 aspect ratio

Panel Type: 24" TFT LCD
Display Type: WUXGA

Maximum Resolution: 1920 x 1200
Horizontal Viewing Angle: 178 degrees
Vertical Viewing Angle: 178 degrees
Pixel Pitch: 0.27 mm
Display Colors: 16.7 million
Brightness: 500 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Response Time: 6ms
Input Video Compatibility: Analog RGB, Digital
Connectors: D-Sub, DVI
Power Supply: AC 100-240V
Power Consumption: 110W
Built-In Speakers: No
Adjustable Stand: No
Kensington Lock: Yes
VESA Wall-Mountable: Yes
Height: 18.0 inches
Depth: 8.7 inches
Width: 22.7 inches
Weight: 20 pounds
Warranty: 3 years

[Cpl Ledanek]

went to the store that is selling this for $299 and no one seems interested. Weird...normally, this deal wouldn't last this long. Maybe, ppl know something I don't.
Is it the lack of height adjustment?
Tilt is good?
Skin tone is excellent.
Anyone have this LCD?

[Soulburner]

Wait a minute, a 24" panel for $299? That isn't a TN panel?

What's wrong with it? :confused:

[Cpl Ledanek]

Wait a minute, a 24" panel for $299? That isn't a TN panel?

What's wrong with it? :confused:

that's what I said initially and how come all these unopened box are just laying there on a Wednesday when the ad came on Mon. Normally all of these should have been gone.
Negatives:
No USB ports
No speakers
No HDMI connection
No height/swivel adjustment

compensation:
my pc has extra USB
I have 5.1 Logitech speakers
I dont have anything that necessitates HDMI
my chairs eye level with any monitor.

My gut tells me to get it, but I just got this feeling Dell will sell their 24" at deep discount on Black Friday

I'm so confuse

[adamsleath]

well ive heard the acers 24" and 26" have some input lag...other than that :shrug:

samsung s-pva for 24" : $600aud
Acer AL2416W 6ms G2G 24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240M2)

Acer AL2623W 5ms G2G 26"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM260WU1-SLB1) - i was thinking of this one.

[Cpl Ledanek]

well ive heard the acers 24" and 26" have some input lag...other than that :shrug:

samsung s-pva for 24" : $600aud
Acer AL2416W 6ms G2G 24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240M2)

Acer AL2623W 5ms G2G 26"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM260WU1-SLB1) - i was thinking of this one.

Input lag...now sure what that means:confused: is it only game related or does there like video/audio not sync when watching DVDs....
:confused:

[adamsleath]

hey i dont know really what it means either ..lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi2OE6hSh00

it may not even be noticeable...but i read a user review of the acer 26" and the USER said it was noticeable.....but again i dont know if it is a big deal or not....:shrug:

you're not the only one who wants a 24" lcd at a good price ;)

http://weknow.to/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=1416

i have also heard users whinging about input lag in dell 2405 and 2407....i have no firm data/numbers...but lag times can be 3-4 fps more or less. (up to 60ms i have read) & ive read that input lag is generally more with 24"+ panels...but that may be rumour.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/displays/review/2006/01/11/Acer-AL2416WS-24in-LCD-Monitor/p1 - acer 24"...only vga d-sub :( but it is now available with dvi-d so at least that is a bit better.

[Soulburner]

Input lag largely depends on the mouse being used.

[Cpl Ledanek]

hey i dont know really what it means either ..lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi2OE6hSh00

it may not even be noticeable...but i read a user review of the acer 26" and the USER said it was noticeable.....but again i dont know if it is a big deal or not....:shrug:

you're not the only one who wants a 24" lcd at a good price ;)

http://weknow.to/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=1416

i have also heard users whinging about input lag in dell 2405 and 2407....i have no firm data/numbers...but lag times can be 3-4 fps more or less. (up to 60ms i have read) & ive read that input lag is generally more with 24"+ panels...but that may be rumour.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/displays/review/2006/01/11/Acer-AL2416WS-24in-LCD-Monitor/p1 - acer 24"...only vga d-sub :( but it is now available with dvi-d so at least that is a bit better.

wow, that's a lot of useful information:up: :up: :up:
I should have checked if there is DVI connection:shakes:

I did see Dell's 24 and it did had a lot of extras like multimedia readers and extra USB slots.

I guess I'll keep an eye on Dell's 24 on BlackFriday...where is that BF site again?:shrug:

[adamsleath]

dont know anything re bf...but the 2407 is still a fair bit more expensive than the 24" acer. if the acer has dvi it's tempting for the relatively low price imo.

[SuporterPoli]

Viewsonic Vx922 or Benq FP93GX+? I need a fast 19" for gaming.

[b0bd0le]

lcds have SDE, which is horrid

also, the contrast ratio of crts smoke ANY lcd on the market...

better viewing angles, better color

lcds are still not there.

[Cpl Ledanek]

dont know anything re bf...but the 2407 is still a fair bit more expensive than the 24" acer. if the acer has dvi it's tempting for the relatively low price imo.

from MicroCenter website:
Silver and Black

15-pin D-Sub & DVI Interfaces
DB15 VGA Inputs
DVI Inputs
3 year limited warranty
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0263478
hope this helps

[Soulburner]

lcds have SDE, which is horrid

also, the contrast ratio of crts smoke ANY lcd on the market...

better viewing angles, better color

lcds are still not there.
Right, but they have reached a level that is definetely competent to take on CRT's in many areas. Good LCD's today have no problem with viewing angles unless you are playing with your monitor turned sideways, but who does that?

Besides, CRT's give some people headaches due to the constant refreshing of the screen. Some people use LCD's for the very fact that they are much easier on the eyes.

[adamsleath]

put it this way im not getting another crt; so i want to keep up to date with lcd developments.

Simple as that.

my gf just ordered an apple imac 24"...that'll give me a chance to check out a tft.
the price isnt too bad...except it only has a 2600pro :down: but a 2.4G mobile c2d is alright.

[b0bd0le]

Right, but they have reached a level that is definetely competent to take on CRT's in many areas. Good LCD's today have no problem with viewing angles unless you are playing with your monitor turned sideways, but who does that?

Besides, CRT's give some people headaches due to the constant refreshing of the screen. Some people use LCD's for the very fact that they are much easier on the eyes.

very true

to each their own :D :toast:

[Soulburner]

For those who have the LG L245/L246 24" monitors, do you have any problems seeing dark scenes? Is the image washed out or is it still clear? I am talking dark scenes only, such as those that do not have much light coming through from the monitor itself.

Also is the glossy coating on the screen ever a problem? Thanks.

[freak22]

So what can anyone tell me about the SOYO 24-Inch Widescreen LCD Monitor MT-GW-DYLM24D6? Office max has it on sale for 299 this week. I thought about picking one up for my gaming computer. I have no clue when it come to lcd's.

Thanks for the advice
J

[Reinvented]

So, SoulBurner, what do YOU recommend? I'm looking for a 24" also, and I use a DA mouse. Primarily will use this for gaming and stuff. I was looking at the Samsung 245BW, and that looked nice. I want something that will give me a lot of control over the rotation of the whole panel too. Budget you ask? Up to 650.. Before that, I was definitely looking at the Dell 2407WFP-HC, but saw all the problems including ghosting. :(

So, any recommendations that won't break the bank?

[Soulburner]

I would recommend my own BenQ FP241W or the LG L245/246.

[187(V)URD@]

I am waiting for a new technology for pc-screens. I don't have a feeling that much has changed since the BENQ 937S+ en Huyandai hype.

[Soulburner]

LG L246WP-BN 24" LCD $499 at Frys

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/5175376?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Anyone know if you can still order even though its out of stock?

[Soulburner]

Also for anyone who has used both TN and MVA/PVA panels, have you noticed blacks being better on the TN panel during gaming?

[187(V)URD@]

I only know some 24" PVA/MVA panels suffer from input lag.
Benq has the best 24" when it comes to reducing inputlag, Dell 2407 and samsung 245T are horrible, thats what i read on the forums.

Also the LG and Acer are good 24" models, the input lag is not so hard as the samsung and Dell

[Diverge]

Also for anyone who has used both TN and MVA/PVA panels, have you noticed blacks being better on the TN panel during gaming?


i've got a FHD2400, 2 days old. It's a TN. So far this is my only complaint - lack of details in dark scenes... haven't tested it in games much, but played 300 blu-ray via my ps3 over hdmi.. and dark scenes seem to lack detail - too much black.

so far no luck trying to adjust it. no setting seem to yield any better black details.. and gamma seems to do nothing to the picture at all.

might have to return this :(

will test more with some games soon as my 8800GT gets here.

[jasyn]

are there any 22" widescreen monitors with height adjustment that anyone knows of? i haven't been able to find one. do they not exist?

[.Logic]

are there any 22" widescreen monitors with height adjustment that anyone knows of? i haven't been able to find one. do they not exist?

95% sure that Dells 22" does :)

EDIT: Sorry, I presumed that it also had height adjustability knowing the 2407 does

However... I definately know that this (http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=SAM-225BW) monitor supports height adjustment

[jasyn]

95% sure that Dells 22" does :)

the E228WFP? if so then no

[XSAlliN]

I only know some 24" PVA/MVA panels suffer from input lag.
Benq has the best 24" when it comes to reducing inputlag, Dell 2407 and samsung 245T are horrible, thats what i read on the forums.

Also the LG and Acer are good 24" models, the input lag is not so hard as the samsung and Dell

All LCD monitor suffer from imput lag, even the ones with S-IPS, it-s a different technology, you can adapt to it, but you can't compare it with CRT. The only solution to input lag is "SED" - which is actually a thin CRT. :up:

[Fatal Error]

What do you suggest for a gaming monitor (20"-22") at a price range of 500$-800$ ?

[amd4me]

What do you suggest for a gaming monitor (20"-22") at a price range of 500$-800$ ?

HP W2207 It's about 340$ right now.

[Peakr]

i've got a FHD2400, 2 days old. It's a TN. So far this is my only complaint - lack of details in dark scenes... haven't tested it in games much, but played 300 blu-ray via my ps3 over hdmi.. and dark scenes seem to lack detail - too much black.

so far no luck trying to adjust it. no setting seem to yield any better black details.. and gamma seems to do nothing to the picture at all.

might have to return this :(

will test more with some games soon as my 8800GT gets here.

I don't suppose you have any insight as to how this monitor stacks up agains the BenQ?

[gamebreaker101]

Fatal... if you looking for a gaming monitor around 500... might want to check out masterrebates. Acer makes some decent stuff with alright refresh rates if you dont want to spend much (under 300). The only issues ive seen with the Acers are the light/dark contrasts.

[187(V)URD@]

All LCD monitor suffer from imput lag, even the ones with S-IPS, it-s a different technology, you can adapt to it, but you can't compare it with CRT. The only solution to input lag is "SED" - which is actually a thin CRT. :up:

Not all panels have input lag, I know an Iiyama ProLite E2201W that doesn't have any input lag.

[aznsniper911]

This has been bothering me but how will I be able to find out panel type besides forums? Is there a website that has a list of LCD model and panel type or what?

[adamsleath]

anandtech.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1745344&enterthread=y

tft central id's the panel types by brand/model no. with "panel search"
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/
for example:
Iiyama E2201W 2ms G2G 22"WS Samsung TN Film (LTM220M2)
LTM220M2 has 92% color gamut; a samsung "BTNIII" panel

[Soulburner]

TN panels are 6-bit and could not possibly display that many colors without dithering...

[187(V)URD@]

http://www.behardware.com/html/cat/22/

[drjunk]

Just orderd an lg L226WTQ-pf. 22" widescreen with 5000:1 contrast.:)

[Soulburner]

Dynamic contrast, sure. But what's the real contrast ratio? 1000:1? 800:1?

[bobson]

so what do you guys think of the new Benq G2400W (http://benq.com/products/LCD/?product=1098&page=specifications)? Pretty sweet for that price. In europe its around €400.

[Soulburner]

Well for the price its good, if you have worked with a TN panel before you will know what to expect. Most laptops use TN panels though due to their much lower power requirements compared to MVA, PVA or IPS and they aren't that bad.

[Demo]

Yeah TN's are not that bad considering how cheap the panels are.. but kudos to more and more people buying those higher end panels, you guys might be ablet o make those panels drop to TN prices in the future ;)

[Budwise]

what would be the best 8bit panel for gaming and photo/video editing? Trying to stay around $500...

[lazy]

what would be the best 22" monitor for gaming/movies?

[Ihor]

what would be the best 22" monitor for gaming/movies?

in my opinion it would be ViewSonic VX2255wmb (around U$D 350 in US), or VG2230wm
or with a lower price Samsung 226BW

if you have more money you should check a monitor from brands like NEC or EIZO

then in Dell there are good monitors like 2007FP (this isn't wide) or 2007 WFP but they are both 20 inches... and Dell 2407 WFP HC is not recomended for games.. backlight in squares... and Dell said they are not going to solve this with a posterior revision

[mildseven7]

hOW ABOUT THE Dell 27"?

[.Logic]

So, what is the best 24" LCD on the market right now?

[Chipmonk]

I know the resolutions arn't going to be massive but i was wondering if anyone had tried a LCD Tv and what the results were like, the idea sprang into my head because i'm moving house soon and thought a new room could do with a new monitor and while im at it why not have TV as well. Probably be a 720p model as the 1080's are a little pricey for me just now. Any recommendations on that front ??

[Soulburner]

Is there a reason why you want a larger screen with a lower resolution? That equates to a further viewing distance.

[adamsleath]

are there any 22" widescreen monitors with height adjustment that anyone knows of? i haven't been able to find one. do they not exist?

dell 2208wfp is height adjustable (although sp2208wfp isnt)
height adjustability (130mm up or down), swivel (45° left and right) and tilt (4° forward and 21° backward).

[187(V)URD@]

So, what is the best 24" LCD on the market right now?
I would say the Benq.

[Chipmonk]

Is there a reason why you want a larger screen with a lower resolution? That equates to a further viewing distance.

i presume your talking to me if not im sorry, the reason being that i can sit in a nice place and not have to bother with a separate TV. I can just bang between the two and im not that bothered about massive resolution i would just prefer something i can see, especially while watching downloaded High Def content.

[adamsleath]

...well it's great for video (larger full hd tv ie)
i've thought about it but i have the hd video panel in another room from the computer at my house....whatever suits your particular desires isnt it...
so..it's like a htpc/games console/pc...

viewing distance i suppose is proportional to screen size :hehe: just need to adjust text size to suit.

[Kobalt]

Contrast Ratio: Light intensity between black and white. Higher contrast ratios = sharper image

Contrast has very little to do with sharpness. Rather, contrast ratio affects the vivacity of the image. More specifically, it describes the difference in luminosity between white and black. If this is low, then the image will look washed out.

A contrast ratio is measured by measuring the luminence (light intensity) in foot-lamberts (fL) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-lambert) of white and of black. The lumenince of white divided by the lumenince of black equals the contrast ratio. For instance, a white level of 30 fL and a black level of 0.05 fL yields an on/off contrast ratio of 600:1, which is relatively poor. For comparison, CRT monitors technically have an on/off contrast ratio of infinity since the black level is absolutely 0 fL.

[Cpl Ledanek]

what is DELL E248WFP (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-6095) good for?
Gaming?
Photoshop?

seems nice to get...I can forgo a few USB over the DELL UltraSharp 2407WFP-HC (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-5647) due to cost.

[Vryada]

I'm looking for a good LCD from 20' to 22'. Unfortunately, here in Argentina the best brand we can get is Dell (e.g.: forget about NEC... maybe some Acers or Viewsonics), so I would like to know what model is the best to buy. I’ve read some reviews, but I want to listen to the opinions of enthusiasts (gaming, graphic design, etc).

Tnx!

[aznsniper911]

I been looking around and sort of sick and tired lol, does anyone know the best 24" monitor for $500?

[sparks]

aznsniper911 for gaming the two best with low input lag are samsung 245bw and the Benq G2400.
I would buy the Benq myself if I could find it locally so I could see it.
So far all I have seen are review pics.

============================================
I have 3 lcd's at home and 7 dells at work and all but two have one thing in common. Desktop whites are more grey.
The 2 that are W H I T E are a hyundai and a dell 207wfp

I will never buy another monitor that looks like this.

[Soulburner]

aznsniper911 for gaming the two best with low input lag are samsung 245bw and the Benq G2400.
I would buy the Benq myself if I could find it locally so I could see it.
So far all I have seen are review pics.

============================================
I have 3 lcd's at home and 7 dells at work and all but two have one thing in common. Desktop whites are more grey.
The 2 that are W H I T E are a hyundai and a dell 207wfp

I will never buy another monitor that looks like this.
Sounds like a calibration issue to me.

[JacKz5o]

Nice faq :D

[NoX]

What's the advantage of having an HDMI port on an LCD monitor? Isn't the image quality identical to DVI?

[Soulburner]

What's the advantage of having an HDMI port on an LCD monitor? Isn't the image quality identical to DVI?
For other devices such as game consoles.

[fbmbirds]

I need help here im using a dvi to hdmi which should i use
for the dvi part dvi-d single dvi-d dual whats the differnce

[Soulburner]

Single is good up to 1920x1200, dual is needed for anything higher.

[tein]

guys im new here, what you think about the hanns-g 28" ?

[tein]

and btw guys, i read here that benQ's 24'' are nice, is this the benQ T241w 24" ? thanks in advance

[B.E.E.F.]

Anybody have this chart? I'm not sure how updated it is.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/238/monlistfv1.png

http://axofiber.no-ip.org/inside/monitor.lcd.panels.en.htm

[Soulburner]

Looks fairly recent to me, but all that tells you are rated specs from the manufacturer. It tells you nothing about the monitor in real use.

[adamsleath]

http://www.shopbot.com.au/au-new-id-90.html
"coming soon" monitors; i think some are already here, but others arent (also is an aussie website, so we a bit behind the modern world:D)

[Elove]

Thanks for the explanation. I'm still confused though: is a PSU the same as a Power Adapter? I bought an adapter already at 12vadapters.com. Can someone explain the difference between a PSU and a Power Adapter? I lost my adapter, and am confused whether a PSU is the same thing? Both terms came up when I searched power adapters, so I just bought one.



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Last updated: March 20th 2008

Welcome to The LCD Buyer’s Guide. The purpose of this thread is to aid those who are planning on purchasing an LCD monitor in the near future to make the smartest purchasing decision, as well as to inform readers about some of the main characteristics of this technology. This thread will attempt to accommodate the needs of serious gamers, video enthusiasts, digital artists, regular application users, as well as users just looking for simple display to just surf the net or benchmark ;). Additionally, if you find any mistakes in this thread or a collection of grammatical errors, PM me and I’ll see of I can make these changes whenever I have time. I would greatly appreciate it.

[drjunk]

Im building a new rig this year (well overdue), and im wondering what widescreen lcd to go for?....im after one with 1920x1200 rez, with a screen bigger than 24in, smaller than 30in. My limit is £600.

Ill be using it for movies, games and general pc stuff.

Im in no pannick to buy.so im also wondering about models coming out this year?..........cheers.

[infinitesadd]

I am looking for a new lcd to upgrade from my current 17 inch samsung. I bought this one about 3 years ago without much research, and well it hasnt been bad, i'm sure i could have done better. I do a lot of gaming (World of Warcraft, Audiosurf, TF2, CSS), and of course browsing the web watching online content or downloading WoW videos (WoW is my current game i play the most). I don't do a lot of viewing of DVDs.

My budget is around 200-300 dollars, so i can't be spending that much unfortunately. I have been looking at Samsung recently (906bw and 216BW, i believe), as i had a good experience with my current monitor.

My system is an Athlon 64 x2 4200 oced to 2.4 (just a little bit), x1950 xt video card, 2 gigs of OCZ ram. Any other specs you might need, please just ask. I'm on forums a lot during slow days at work. :p

I was just looking for some recommendations of samsung, or any other brands in the 19-21 inch area under 300 dollars. Obviously you can't always rely on the specs the company puts out. Any real world anecdotes would be helpful.

Thank you for your time :)

[ironhide007]

Im building a new rig this year (well overdue), and im wondering what widescreen lcd to go for?....im after one with 1920x1200 rez, with a screen bigger than 24in, smaller than 30in. My limit is £600.

Ill be using it for movies, games and general pc stuff.

Im in no pannick to buy.so im also wondering about models coming out this year?..........cheers.

hey dude what monitor are u going for
?

[rodman]

I would get this one in that price range. Lot's of people seem to be happy with them.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254026

[Linchpin]

Which one would you guys choose out of these?

Samsung 245T

HP W2408

LG L245WP

Dell 2407WFP-HC

Acer P243W


Thanks

[drjunk]

hey dude what monitor are u going for
?

Ive not decided yet. Might just wait till nov-dec time and see whats available then. Hopefully there will be more 27",28" models to choose from.

[[XC] riptide]

Spam Spam Spam ^^^^^^^^ Gtfo!

[drjunk]

Sorry....no comprendi

[serialkilla277]

Hello, Any of you out there tried the Lenovo Thinkvision L220X it seems to be the best monitor for my situation; best color quality and still being responsive enough to game. Also it has 1920 x 1200 on a 22" display, talk about a screen reducing jaggies!

Link: http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/webca/LenovoPortal/en_CA/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=4433HB2&current-category-id=A6FA9FD6D1CB4B52973EAE93B7B4AEF6

[erouz]

Hi lads.
Im not sure where i shut ask about that.
Is any dereference which scaling i use flat panel or graphic card?
I mean in games?
My opinion it shut by better graphic card because delay.

Tks for opinions and sorry for my English.

[2bad]

just thought I'd drop by and say thanks for the guide

[adamsleath]

Hello, Any of you out there tried the Lenovo Thinkvision L220X it seems to be the best monitor for my situation; best color quality and still being responsive enough to game. Also it has 1920 x 1200 on a 22" display, talk about a screen reducing jaggies!

Link: http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/webca/LenovoPortal/en_CA/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=4433HB2&current-category-id=A6FA9FD6D1CB4B52973EAE93B7B4AEF6

i think i remember 32ms input lag...which may be acceptable..:shrug:

http://techgage.com/article/lenovo_l220x_22_widescreen_lcd_monitor/4
- although this one says 9 ms. different source.
The input lag test between the L220X and Dell 2007WFP revealed that the monitor had a lag of 9 milliseconds vs 2007wfp, rather than the usual vs crt input lag test, i think.

i hope we see more high res lcds in 'smaller' size such as have been available in laptops for some time.
perhaps a 2560 x 1600 at 24"?:p:

[S1mon-]

Anybody can share his experiences with Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP? I heard there is a lot of problem with it, but the screen looks simply gorgeous. I need some inputs!

Thanks

[zoolio]

I recently purchased a MK241H Asus LCD. What is everyones opinion on the light leak? (The red dot on the screen isn't a dead pixel, it is my camera)

http://users.on.net/~zrodman/photo/screen.JPG

[Judaeus Apella]

Hmmmm... who makes the best gaming LCDs? Just curious... I'll probably never get one. I think I'm going to use a Television for both TV, movies, and my computer, for my next build. :)

[billdavis]

i hope we see more high res lcds in 'smaller' size such as have been available in laptops for some time.
perhaps a 2560 x 1600 at 24"?:p:



do you really want a 2560x1600@24inches you would need your face 5 inches from the screen to see the extra detail,i think that is just a waist i know this is xs but i dont think the human eyes are that good


also are there really any problems with todays 30" monitors i have a dell 2407 and i have no problems with it what so ever

[Shalamay]

Hello, Any of you out there tried the Lenovo Thinkvision L220X it seems to be the best monitor for my situation; best color quality and still being responsive enough to game. Also it has 1920 x 1200 on a 22" display, talk about a screen reducing jaggies!

Link: http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/webca/LenovoPortal/en_CA/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=4433HB2&current-category-id=A6FA9FD6D1CB4B52973EAE93B7B4AEF6

This is what I'm looking into getting, do to size limitations 22" is about all that will fit. Too bad there are not alot of reviews on it about gaming. Anyone have any experience with one?

[pcaddict]

I was looking this monitor: http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=fi&l=fi&s=pad&cs=RC1077977&sku=142648 to replace my current 30" apple cinema display.. is that dell good choice?

[adamsleath]

ive heard he 3007 is better than 3008, but they may have revised the 3008.
do you really want a 2560x1600@24inches you would need your face 5 inches from the screen to see the extra detail,i think that is just a waist i know this is xs but i dont think the human eyes are that good

i like small dots :)

[adamsleath]

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=8153
BenQ T2200HD 21.5in Widescreen LCD Monitor
...yet another lcd thought :p:

this is a 16:9 22" ish inch benq...what interests me is that it is 1080p (1920x1080)

any thoughts? i guess i'll try to find some more info..

BenQ E2200HD 2ms G2G 21.5"WS AU Optronics TN Film (M215HW01 V0)?
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/

[exile550]

What do you guys thinking of the acer G24? Fast respond time with great contrast ratio(50000:1!!). Seems to be aimed at gamers.

Its not that expensive on ncix.com (399$).

[Soulburner]

I don't think I'd want a 16:9 screen for PC use - too narrow.

[shabranigdo]

Hi, I'm looking for help selecting a 30" monitor 2560 x 1600. I have been leaning toward the dell 3008wfp. I would like a variety of inputs including HDMI. Any thoughts on the dell, or other 30" monitors?
Thanks

[Kingcarcas]

I'm looking for help with a 22'', i have a 20'' now so i just want to know if there are any 22'' monitors with 75hz refresh rates? Good PQ obviously, but it's not worth the jump if i can't get higher FPS with v-sync.:confused:

[Soulburner]

It is my understanding that 75hz only works at non-native resolutions and on some panels only. LCD's run at their native resolution run at 60Hz standard.

If you can pull that off on your current monitor, I wouldn't switch.

[MomijiTMO]

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=8153
BenQ T2200HD 21.5in Widescreen LCD Monitor
...yet another lcd thought :p:

this is a 16:9 22" ish inch benq...what interests me is that it is 1080p (1920x1080)

Took a gamble and bought this thing. I'll pick it up tomorrow and hope the res on a 22 won't make me cry.

[MomijiTMO]

Took a gamble and bought this thing. I'll pick it up tomorrow and hope the res on a 22 won't make me cry.
Well going from a 20" with a pixel pitch which is smaller than most, I still notice how much smaller stuff is. Not that it really bothers me much because I like to sit close to my monitor.

Loving this 21.5"

[adamsleath]

:eek:

can you increase text size...?
any other thoughts? personally i have really liked the high res smaller screens ive seen on laptops...which is why i found this appealing....not to mention it is cheap.

where did you buy it from momo?

[Soulburner]

I wouldn't worry about it guys. We have a 1920x1200 17" laptop :)

[Xcel]

:eek:

can you increase text size...?


Just increase the DPI setting in display properties.

[Erdrick]

I am looking to get an LCD for work. I work mainly with Excel and other Office family software. Basically, I read a lot of text.

My monitor of choice would be one that has a matte screen (finally figured out what was giving me migraines every day for the last month or so.. damned gloss screen!), high contrast and high brightness. Other fine tuning options would be really appreciated as well. Though I will be using it at work, I would still prefer that its power consumption is as low as possible. I also realize that I do not need insanely fast response times, though I am guessing that they wouldn't hurt when I am scrolling through large Adobe Acrobat Reader files. My size range is going to be somewhere around 22-24".. though I am willing to consider other sizes. What other things should I look for in a display if its only use will be with e-mail and basic word processing tasks? As I mentioned above, I had pretty bad eye problems... due to my little 15.1" glossy cheapo laptop that my company got me. I'd rather invest a few hundred dollars today than a few thousand down the road to fix what are now perfect eyes.

Any pointers as to where to look, how to compare, and any suggestions on monitors that people are currently using for the above mentioned types of work.

[edit]
I forgot to say a couple things. First off, I am looking at a couple monitors right now. Any input on whether they would be a good fit would be really appreciated.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-5205 [E228WFP]
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-444767-3758498.html [L2245wg]
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-444767-3648453.html [LP2275w]
Samsung 2220WM-HAS

Please let me know if there are any other technologies that I should be looking out for. Screen types, etc....
I just saw one monitor that can be swiveled 90degrees to allow for a full screen A4 document to be read, page at a time. THAT is cool to me.

[Growly]

I wouldn't worry about it guys. We have a 1920x1200 17" laptop :)

My T61p is 1920x1200 on a 15.4" screen - and it actually hurts to read it after a while. Explains why all the newer models are back to down WSXGA+...

[Soulburner]

For Photoshop work its a must-have, and you can't watch 1080p video without a 1920x screen.

[cloned]

I'm thinking of getting a new monitor soon and was wondering if hannsg was any good.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254035 the monitor in question, thanks in advance.

[STEvil]

I'm not having any luck tracking down a good 2560x1600 LCD.. suggestions?

[Xcel]

That depends on how you define the word good and what kind of features you need from the 30"

If you don't need to hook it up to anything except a computer I'd say pick one without a scaler. Spares you from the extra +30ms of input lag.

[STEvil]

yes, that is what I meant by a good one.. no scalar.

Dell's 3007 has no scaler (3008 does) but is $1600.. a Samsung 305T can be had for $1000 but has a scaler...

I could pick up a Sony 40" TV with 10-bit color for $1000 let alone all the other features the $1600 dell doesnt have...

[adamsleath]

wot about a big hd plasma? :hehe:
lcd thread...but im starting to look at plasmas because of the contrast, and they seems to handle motion better than lcd's
:shrug:
is there still a burning out problem with plasma's? stigma??? true /false?

[STEvil]

someone should start a database of LCD's with and without input lag..

[Xcel]

I don't know about prices where you live but here the HP LP3065 was the cheapest of them all, it has the exact same panel as the 3007wfp-HC. I got mine very cheap and no dead pixels :)

You should also check out the LG W3000H (LG is the manufacturer of all 30" IPS panels), it has the rev 5 panel same as Dell 3008 but without the scaler, seems you can get it pretty cheap.

[Blacky]

I don't know about prices where you live but here the HP LP3065 was the cheapest of them all, it has the exact same panel as the 3007wfp-HC. I got mine very cheap and no dead pixels :)

You should also check out the LG W3000H (LG is the manufacturer of all 30" IPS panels), it has the rev 5 panel same as Dell 3008 but without the scaler, seems you can get it pretty cheap.

this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005115 :)?

[187(V)URD@]

someone should start a database of LCD's with and without input lag..

There is one, Although I don't know the site anymore.

[Xcel]

this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005115 :)?

Yup that one has the same panel as the Dell 3008 but without a scaler. Seems pretty good but I haven't really seen any reviews of it

[cegras]

someone should start a database of LCD's with and without input lag..

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206

[STEvil]

Awesome, NCIX and Futureshop both carry the LG at $1299.99 so you can pricematch them ;)