The LCD Buyers Guide

[[XC] leviathan18]

edited original post with some pics.. more can be taken or added at request.

that light bleeding is awful it must be annoying while you watch a 16:9 movie

[bullet2urbrain]

yup i said it was annoying..but atleast i got the pic to truly show the nastiness of the light bleeding...

Canon SD400 FTW.. my 2 X-mas presents SD400 and VX724..

on the positive note.. this monitor makes the VX910 look like absolute crap..

[MaxxxRacer]

The light bleeding is the exact oppostie places on my VP930b. I will add pics to my old post to keep things organized and update with what came in the box.

[KoHaN69]

MY reviews of

Sharp 17", model LL-172G-B

and

View Sonic VA2012wb 20.1"

http://kohan69.web1000.com/LCD_REVIEW/lcdreview.html

more reviews coming soon

[[XC] leviathan18]

kohan nice review but if is not a problem could you post your review here like ours ? just a mini review

[KoHaN69]

kohan nice review but if is not a problem could you post your review here like ours ? just a mini review

no man, that requires work!




..........ok, I'll edit it later

[YanBooth]

Yo yo! ANYONE gonna mini review the Dell 3007WFP??? Or do I have to do it when/if I get it. See, it pays to wait for months on a crap 15", lol

[Turok]

Yo yo! ANYONE gonna mini review the Dell 3007WFP??? Or do I have to do it when/if I get it. See, it pays to wait for months on a crap 15", lol

I guess you're the licky one to review the 3007WFP when it gets out.
Im sure it will be an awesome monitor. Like a 2405fpw but a bit faster and a lot larger, and less connectors.

It doesnt matter if everyone makes their own review of the same monitor. More reviews on a monitor, the better.
It gives the readers a chance to look at the reviews in different perspectives so they can make their own conclusions :fact:
Plus if a monitor has a lot of reviews and they are all good, then it gives them an idea of how good that monitor must be since everyone is buying it ;)

[YanBooth]

its a when/if... ill know this weekend... keep you all updated

[KoHaN69]

I think the firsdt fen of 3007WFP wont perform as well as the latest 2405FP

There are 2 versions of the widescreen dell 24", 2405FPW is a bit older, the newest is called the 2405FP "UltraSharp" is newest version

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11099424&whse=&topnav=&browse=&s=1

I will get it witihn next month, and write a better review than Tom's Hardware :D

[yuckfou]

ultra sharp seems to be the better one up to now.

[YanBooth]

How long do you think I should wait until I get the 3006WFP? What I have read is that it is pretty much great all around, except for a backlighting uniformity issue, but apparently that was only when the screen had an all black image, or when there were dark images on it. What I am hoping for, is that this issue has been worked out, because the Extreme Something-or-other website I read this very large review at had the monitor "for many weeks", so my hope is that this issue will have been worked out a little with the more mainstream production models.

Now, I want to know, if SED, and OLED seem so promising, but I am not extremely concerned about a little ghosting (I don't mind it on my Dell 15" UltraSharp), but SED (and perhaps OLDEN) have a lowishs maximum resolution, perhaps they aren't the best of choices.

I would have this monitor for 4-5 years, that much I know.

Yan

I think the firsdt fen of 3007WFP wont perform as well as the latest 2405FP

There are 2 versions of the widescreen dell 24", 2405FPW is a bit older, the newest is called the 2405FP "UltraSharp" is newest version

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11099424&whse=&topnav=&browse=&s=1

I will get it witihn next month, and write a better review than Tom's Hardware :D

[[XC] leviathan18]

FPW means flat panel widescreen so any lcd from dell that is widescreen is FPW

[[XC] leviathan18]

oled it wont cut in large screen because they die pretty quick.

sed perhaps is going to be better than lcd, but HDR brigthside is going to be overkill

[@njo]

great work,

plz keep up.

[Semper Fi]

MY reviews of

Sharp 17", model LL-172G-B

and

View Sonic VA2012wb 20.1"

http://kohan69.web1000.com/LCD_REVIEW/lcdreview.html

more reviews coming soon


The Viewsonic review is CLASSIC! :clap: :toast: :clap: I think you might be XS' new official comedian.

[YanBooth]

SO!!!!! I ORDERED THE Dell 3007WFP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!! I can't wait until it gets here... Friday the 20th... or the 23rd-25th!

CAN'T WAIT!

Yan

[YanBooth]

Sorry, I guess I was just a tad excited... you all know how it is with these kinda things!

Yan

[Delirious]

Wow nice panel! I see you already added it to your sid :D

should take one heck of a card for good fps on that beast.

[YanBooth]

well, I have a bunch of $$$ put in place for the G80, so my somewhatcrappy 256MB 6600GT w/dual link DVI will have to hold me until then... It has done fine since July!

Yan

[sviola]

Leviathan,

How did you make to import the LCD to Venezuela? Did the shop directly sell to you? Or someone there bought it for you then sent it?
I live in Brazil and it's really hard to get these top stuff without paying almost 3 times the price in the States.

thanks

[YanBooth]

Well, as I write this, I am viewing the text on the Dell 3007WFP, and let me tell you, whatever people say... They are wrong... The backlighting "issues" that were mention are not visible unless the whole screen has an all black background. It really isn't noticible! Contrast ratio is good, better than my old 15" Dell LCD, though it doesn't quite compare to a CRT... At least thats what I think!

Feel free to ask questions!

Yan

[Turok]

Well, as I write this, I am viewing the text on the Dell 3007WFP, and let me tell you, whatever people say... They are wrong... The backlighting "issues" that were mention are not visible unless the whole screen has an all black background. It really isn't noticible! Contrast ratio is good, better than my old 15" Dell LCD, though it doesn't quite compare to a CRT... At least thats what I think!

Feel free to ask questions!

Yan

Let us have that review :D

I would be willing to help with some image refinement.
Just send me a PM if you need some help.
Make the review verry detailed noting every good and bad thing without exagerating or making it look better than it is. Be honest or else some enthusiast will think it's just biased. :rolleyes: :P

[gundamit]

Feel free to ask questions!

Yan Which games have you played on it? In what way does it not measure up to a CRT? Ghosting? Image quality? Whats the highest resolution you can run in any game? Any 2D quality problems in the native res?

[[XC] leviathan18]

Leviathan,

How did you make to import the LCD to Venezuela? Did the shop directly sell to you? Or someone there bought it for you then sent it?
I live in Brazil and it's really hard to get these top stuff without paying almost 3 times the price in the States.

thanks


easy enter DELL.com and search for dell brazil then look for the customer number call them and you can buy directly by phone they will ask you for credit card or wiretransfer payment adress and everything they need if you ask for rebates and you have a nice guy in the phone they can give you some disscount they gave me 200$ discount.

they send the LCD via air so its pretty quick the shipping

[darthcani]

Hi i am looking for a lcd 19 " i look for a good model in the range of 350 U$ 450 $ with good levels of black a like that the black like black not light black what models i must to buy ¿? ( sory for my english iam from Argentina) Thanks.

[[XC] leviathan18]

send me a PM and i will help you in spanish :P

[darthcani]

send me a PM and i will help you in spanish :P

Ahi te mande pm leelo aver si me podes ayudar un poko :D Saludos!!:-

[sviola]

easy enter DELL.com and search for dell brazil then look for the customer number call them and you can buy directly by phone they will ask you for credit card or wiretransfer payment adress and everything they need if you ask for rebates and you have a nice guy in the phone they can give you some disscount they gave me 200$ discount.

they send the LCD via air so its pretty quick the shipping

Well, just bought my LCD, the Dell Ultrasharp 2005 :). It´ll be arriving in 10 days. And Dell gave me $150 discount :banana:
Now I´ll hope I´ll not die of anxiety while I´m waiting. :rolleyes:

Oh, my brother bought the Samsung 713N...and it´s a great monitor.

Here is a small review on it:

No ghosting on CS Source at 1280x1024 at all!!!
No dead pixels :)
Nice colors.
And, I haven´t noticed any light leaking, but I haven´t used it for a long time. It´s only flaw is the lack of DVI port. :(

If you guys want a more detailed review, just ask and I´ll write it and post later.

[YanBooth]

Which games have you played on it? In what way does it not measure up to a CRT? Ghosting? Image quality? Whats the highest resolution you can run in any game? Any 2D quality problems in the native res?
I have played a buncha games on it, Far Cry, GTA SA, CoD1, UT2004, to name a few... Some can run at native resolution, 2560x1600, some don't.

I don't really care about ghosting, but it is an improvment from my ancient Dell 15" LCD. Only 2D problems are DVD playback..... OK... these are the problems. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87274

I LOVE it, cept' for the issues it causes, which is NOT the fault of the monitor in any way, shape, or form... Its just that such CRAZY high resolutions aren't supported by all programs.

please check that link (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87274) and tell me if there is anything you can help me with... THANKS!!

yan

[darthcani]

Well, just bought my LCD, the Dell Ultrasharp 2005 :). It´ll be arriving in 10 days. And Dell gave me $150 discount :banana:
Now I´ll hope I´ll not die of anxiety while I´m waiting. :rolleyes:

Oh, my brother bought the Samsung 713N...and it´s a great monitor.

Here is a small review on it:

No ghosting on CS Source at 1280x1024 at all!!!
No dead pixels :)
Nice colors.
And, I haven´t noticed any light leaking, but I haven´t used it for a long time. It´s only flaw is the lack of DVI port. :(

If you guys want a more detailed review, just ask and I´ll write it and post later.

Where are you from ¿? 10 days shipping :S Who match cost the 2005 dell ¿? thanks

[[XC] leviathan18]

10 days shipping is pretty strange they sent mine in 3 days perhaps they didnt have stock.... glad to hear you bought the lcd... report back when you test it

[brandinb]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824163130

is this screen any good ?? it looks too good to be true!!

19 inch widescreen 1440x900 with 4ms responce time!!!
263 dollars lol thats awesome but i cannot find a review can anybody help?

anybody know what type of screen is on that thing also?

[sviola]

Where are you from ¿? 10 days shipping :S Who match cost the 2005 dell ¿? thanks

I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The thing with the long delivery time has something to do with customs liberation and the monitor getting to Dell Brazil (which is in São Paulo - about 400 km from Rio), then they´ll send me.

[sviola]

10 days shipping is pretty strange they sent mine in 3 days perhaps they didnt have stock.... glad to hear you bought the lcd... report back when you test it

Yeah, they´re bringing it from the US. The 2005 FPW is not usually sold here in Brazil.

[darthcani]

Any details for Dell 1905 ultra sharp ¿? is good LCD ¿?

[Istasi]

Which is preferable for gaming, a 17" LCD or a 19" LCD?

[Delirious]

As long as the response times are the same i would get the 19", Bigger is always better, just as long as u dont sacrifice response times for it.

[Istasi]

Alright, thanks.

Are there any 19" LCDs that are worth it for gaming under $300?

[Semper Fi]

Damn Im mad.... I had no idea BF2 doesn't support native widescreen resolutions?! What the HELL. Is there no way to hack this other than stretching out the screen?! Wheres our 1920x1200!??!?!

[Delirious]

Alright, thanks.

Are there any 19" LCDs that are worth it for gaming under $300?


Alot of people like this monitor for gaming.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824179014

[[XC] leviathan18]

Damn Im mad.... I had no idea BF2 doesn't support native widescreen resolutions?! What the HELL. Is there no way to hack this other than stretching out the screen?! Wheres our 1920x1200!??!?!


afaik there is a mod... search in google for widescreen gaming forum or something similar to that... they have a little reg mod and the game will open the widescreen resolutions


damn i need better video for my 2405 :(

[Entity_Of_One]

When looking into a nice new 17" or 19" lcd, what kind of response times and contrast ratios are considered good these days?

[Turok]

When looking into a nice new 17" or 19" lcd, what kind of response times and contrast ratios are considered good these days?

With 17"
6-8ms if it's a VA panel
1-4ms if it's a TN panel

With 19"
8ms if it's a VA panel
1-6ms if it's a TN panel

Note: this doesnt mean you can just buy a LCD with nice specs and expect it to be good or expect that the response time will really be as the company says it is. Review the LCDs with the help of the "Links" section on the guide if the guide doesnt show the LCD you're interrested in.
Even if the LCD is in the guide, it doesnt mean you're safe to buy it. Reseach a lot so surprises dont show up and you get a bad idea of what a good LCD is really all about.

[Turok]

Any details for Dell 1905 ultra sharp ¿? is good LCD ¿?

Use the tools provided on the Links section on the Guide.
Here is a review from CNET:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_UltraSharp_1905FP/4505-3174_7-31232074.html
Also check "Read all user opinions" to give you an idea of what you might expect from it.
Look for people that know what they are talking about.
Press a lot of "(read more)" buttons ;)


Alright, thanks.

Are there any 19" LCDs that are worth it for gaming under $300?
Alot of people like this monitor for gaming.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824179014

A lot of people like the L90D+ because it's a nice TN panel and verry cheap compared to the competition.

I would say:
VP930b -> if you want image quality + speed (8ms P-MVA panel)
VX924 -> if you want one of the fastest (2ms TN panel)
L90D+ -> if you want something cheap for gaming (8ms TN panel)
E196FP -> new Dell 19" LCD that can be verry cheap and could be good enough for gaming, but I didnt find any reviews about it so I'm not sure if it's as good as the specs say. I prefer the L90D+ because it's more known and the price difference isnt that great, not to mention it could get even closer afther tax and shipping.

[marius7]

Which one do you think is overall better:
Samsung 760BF 4ms G2G 700:1
Samsung 770P, 17" 6ms G2G 1500:1

[Turok]

Which one do you think is overall better:
Samsung 760BF 4ms G2G 700:1
Samsung 770P, 17" 6ms G2G 1500:1

I dont know anything about the 760BF. It's probably good, but a bit old.
From the Samsung site, I only got that it's a 4ms TN panel with 700:1
contrast, 300 cd/m2 brightness, and 160°/160° viewing angles
http://www.samsung.com/au/products/monitors/tft/760bf.asp?page=Specifications
I also cant find many links with a price on it, but it seems verry expensive for a 17" with those specs
They probably discontinued the product :rolleyes:

The 770P on the other hand is probably the best 17" LCD overal. It does it all verry well. It's on the guide, BTW
The problem with the 770P is that it costs as much as a good 19" LCD
Here is a review from BeHardware.com
http://www.behardware.com/articles/594-1/samsung-syncmaster-770p-pva-6ms-1500-1.html

Why do you want to buy a 17" LCD that costs as much as a good 19" LCD?:confused:

[dsecrieru]

So, has anyone tested the 30" from Dell yet? Is it any good for gaming?

[marius7]

Why do you want to buy a 17" LCD that costs as much as a good 19" LCD?:confused:

Because I'm unable to buy Viewsonic LCDs in my country. Do you know another good model ? Take a look here: http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcd

[Turok]

Because I'm unable to buy Viewsonic LCDs in my country. Do you know another good model ? Take a look here: http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcd

If it's not too expensive for you, get eather the Samsung 930BF, Samsung 960BF, or the Samsung 970P

Here are the links:

Samsung 930BF
http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcd/samsung_syncmaster_930bf_19_--pSyncMaster930BF
Review:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/572-8/19-lcd-monitor-survey-4-8-ms-tn-ips-va.html

Samsung 960BF
http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcd/samsung_960bf_19_--pSam960BFDVI4ms
Some user reviews:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_SyncMaster_960BF_flat_panel_display_TFT_19/4852-3174_7-31578611.html?tag=uolst

Samsung 970P
http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcd/samsung_970p_19_--pLCDSamsung970P
Review:
http://www.xyzcomputing.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=482&Itemid=2&limit=1&limitstart=4



The choices are a bit limited
I would probably go for the Samsung 930BF

[swiharta]

Newegg has the 960BF for $379+$10 shipping=$389, thinking about getting it to go with my white Antec P150 case, anyone know much about its pro's and con's? I've seen mixed reports on ghosting from cnet/Amazon.com user reviews, no professional reviews out yet. Thanks for any input.

Why is Samsung the only company cashing in on the white gloss "ipod style" craze, I guess is makes sense, since they are one of the few makers to put any style into their monitors to begin with.

[Turok]

Newegg has the 960BF for $379+$10 shipping=$389, thinking about getting it to go with my white Antec P150 case, anyone know much about its pro's and con's? I've seen mixed reports on ghosting from cnet/Amazon.com user reviews, no professional reviews out yet. Thanks for any input.

Why is Samsung the only company cashing in on the white gloss "ipod style" craze, I guess is makes sense, since they are one of the few makers to put any style into their monitors to begin with.

Since you're mentioning Newegg as a store where you could buy a LCD, Im guessing you live eather in the US or in Canada.
If you can buy from NewEgg, dont buy the Samsung 960BF.
Right now you can get the L90D+ for $300, which is a nice TN panel that doesnt have ghosting and it's cheaper. The LCD has a silver frame and a black base. IMO, it's good enough to match your iPod theme.

[swiharta]

I wish I could get the Hyundai Q90u in the states, that looks to be better than the L90D+, from the review on behardware.com. There's even a glowing review in PCworld for that monitor, but I haven't seen any signs that it is coming to the states.

As for the L90D+, I think I'd like to avoid a 6-bit panel with poor viewing angles. Do you know what panel is in the 960BF? Other LCD's with the same panel?

Style is important for this situation, as is price, but gaming isn't really a priority. Hence the 960BF looks like a good compromise, but again there are limited opinions out there right now. I think the style alone is worth another $75-100 but thats just me.

[Turok]

I wish I could get the Hyundai Q90u in the states, that looks to be better than the L90D+, from the review on behardware.com. There's even a glowing review in PCworld for that monitor, but I haven't seen any signs that it is coming to the states.

As for the L90D+, I think I'd like to avoid a 6-bit panel with poor viewing angles. Do you know what panel is in the 960BF? Other LCD's with the same panel?

Style is important for this situation, as is price, but gaming isn't really a priority. Hence the 960BF looks like a good compromise, but again there are limited opinions out there right now. I think the style alone is worth another $75-100 but thats just me.

PRAD says that the 960BF is a TN panel
My guess is that the 960BF is a 940BF update, the same way the VX924 is an update of the VX924, and the VP930B is an update of the VP191b.
http://www.prad.de/en/guide/screen2467.html

There are verry little choices with a white or silver bezel.
The Q90u, L90D+, 930BF, and 960BF are all TN panels anyway. Anything TN will have 16.2 Million colors (6-bit).

The only 8-bit panels with a white or silver bezel cover that's close to your price range and doesnt have as much ghosting is the Samsung 770P and 970P. Both are P-PVA panels with a 6ms response time. The 17" has a higher contrast ratio than the 19" version.

If you cant get those, then my last option would be the Apple Cinema 20" LCD, which can be as low as $600 if you buy it through "Education" on the apple site.

You can get the 970p for $580 with Free 2 Day shipping on ZipZoomFly.com, and I dont know where you can get the 770p in the US

[swiharta]

What was the 940bf like compared to the 930bf? I still think the 960bf could be a decent monitor, it has a larger viewing angle than the L90D+, and Samsung monitors usually have decent color calibration.

[Turok]

What was the 940bf like compared to the 930bf? I still think the 960bf could be a decent monitor, it has a larger viewing angle than the L90D+, and Samsung monitors usually have decent color calibration.

I think the 960BF is exactly like the 930BF, but white. Use the 930BF reviews for reference.
You could get the 960BF, or the L90D+ (since it also has some white/silver on the bezel)
The L90D+ is like $80 cheaper, but the 960BF looks like it has a better bezel and it's faster and has other stuff like wider viewing angles

L90D+
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-179-014-11.JPGhttp://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-179-014-07.JPG

960BF
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-001-209-01.JPGhttp://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-001-209-08.JPG

[sviola]

My 2005 FPW arrived yesterday.

Hasn't got any dead pixel. No light leaking that I could see. ;)
It's a great monitor.
I'll post my review as soon as my video card arrives as with my Diamond Stealth 4Mb I can't play any new games or watch movies. :(

[[XC] leviathan18]

good to know you have it...

hope you enjoy it....

[Istasi]

I got my 2005FPW on Friday. This thing is awesome. Gaming is awesome on this thing, even games that don't support the native res (BF2) still look great.

[sviola]

I got my 2005FPW on Friday. This thing is awesome. Gaming is awesome on this thing, even games that don't support the native res (BF2) still look great.

There seems to be a mod that opens 1680x1080 resolution for some games.
It has something to do with the windows registry.

[sviola]

I got my 2005FPW on Friday. This thing is awesome. Gaming is awesome on this thing, even games that don't support the native res (BF2) still look great.

Did you got any software for color calibration on your monitor?

[krille]

a) What do you guys think of the Samsung 244T? b) Is it better for gaming than the Dell (heard the 2405FPW was really poor for gaming). c) Or is it better to wait for the upcoming new S-IPS panels (don't really know anything about them), d) any idea when they're coming?

Thanks.

[[XC] leviathan18]

2405fpw poor for gaming???????

you should do some search and see all the good reviews of ppl playing with 2405fpw i play with one and i just love it sad is a lot of games doesnt suppor native resolution

[krille]

Sorry bro, didn't mean to offend anyone lev! I expressed myself a bit harsh, I admit...

I was mostly thinking of the famous behardware review. ;) Also, there's some delay in the Dell (compared to other LCDs) and lots of reviews seem to complain about ghosting. Also you said in your very guide PVA isn't really the perfect technique for gaming (16 ms makes no difference compared to 25 ms etc, so I do have something to walk on).

Anyway, sorry for expressing it like "poor" (I know you have one, and I had no intention of offending you in any way mate!), what I meant was simply: Is the Samsung 244T "slightly" better? (Since you and the rest of LCD Buyers Guide's authors seem to be the ones in the know!) And any idea how soon the new S-IPS LCDs will come (and if they will be noticably better than the 244T)?

I'm also a bit interested in the Acer with 6ms (how it compares to the 244T and the Dell). Please just disregard my blasphemous statement earlier, the Dell isn't bad by any means (I was simply wondering whether it is the very best) and concentrate on my actual questions.

Thanks!

[[XC] leviathan18]

the dell is good enough the guide says is not the best, but as i do lot of ppl cant see ghosting in native resolution

the good thing about the samsung 244t is the hdpc support so you can watch hd videos without problems

you didnt offend me just wanted to point you to some reviews or actual owners and users of the lcd so you will see others opinions

[krille]

Ok apart from the HDCP feature, would the 244T be a better LCD for gaming than the 2405FPW?

Seems I misunderstood, apologies again :p:

[Turok]

The best 21" and 24" LCDs are, without doubt, the Eizo S2110W (21" LCD) and Eizo S2410W-K (24" LCD)
The problem is that they are VERRY expensive and they dont support HDCP.
The 21" Eizo is about $1000 (USD) and the 24" is about $1800 (USD)
Ill have to add these two LCD to the guide eventually for anyone who is willing to spend that much money for the highest quality LCD in it's category in everything.

Behind the 21" Eizo is the Belinea 102035w (20" LCD), and I would have to say that the Dell 2405fpw is behind the Eizo 24" because of the overal quality.

If you can wait a bit, according to gr8golf on XS, there's a rumor that the 2407fpw will be released early March.
If it's true, then they may end up showing it off at CeBIT.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89925
Just saw on widescreengamingforum.com that someone has a release date for the Dell 2407 in early March. It looked like it had some pretty good specs - better than the 2407. I just boxed up my 2407 to send back to Dell to wait for the new version.

What I know so far is that the 2007fpw and 2407fpw will be a 2005fpw and 2405fpw refresh with technology improvements (probably faster and better IQ) and will be HDCP ready

[krille]

Turok, I'm a member of WSGF so I've read the thread in question. Basically, it seems the new 2407FPW won't be worse, but not much better either. The main thing in focus is the addition of HDCP to the future set.

2407 thread
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3240
Article
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=793
Pictures (posted by maherie, not from article... unknown "insider" source)
http://wsgf.widescreenbabes.com/screenshots/1.JPG
http://wsgf.widescreenbabes.com/screenshots/2.JPG

Then this seems more interesting to me: Advanced S-IPS New Panels thread
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3046

So, basically, your advice is to wait a bit longer? That's fine with me, but I'm getting a little fed up with waiting. Been waiting for long time... loooong time. lol :D

[krille]

Turok, basically, you say get this one (http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=313591) over any other, including this one (http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=315197). If these are the ones, price is no problem at all. Only 3000 SEK difference, just 30% extra (or roughly 377,33 USD according to FOREX).

Is that Eizo the right one (the very pinnacle of widescreen LCD 24" beauty gaming performance)? Or, is it the wrong model?

Thanks a lot!

Edit: Do you think the linked Eizo will beat the 2407 (ignoring HDCP feature) in games.

[Turok]

Edit: Do you think the linked Eizo will beat the 2407 (ignoring HDCP feature) in games.

That Eizo is the one I mentioned above.
The best 24" LCD to date. Check out this review from PRAD:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review-eizo-s2410w-k.html

If you're going to spend that much money for that LCD, I would recommend eather the Eizo 24" LCD, or he 3007fpw for a bit more.
If you get eather one, please post a mini-review for the guide :D

[krille]

Turok > I just banged out some cash for FX-60 + new mobo and some other neat stuff. I'm also planning a custom WC system. So my economy is a little strained atm (as I'm sure you understand!!), so I'm not sure when I'll get the LCD _now_, but if nothing better has come out till then, the Eizo may very well be the one LCD for me.

However I read over at WSGF somewhere Eizo wasn't optimal for gaming...
It's a balance between response time and colour accuracy. The Eizo panels are great for colour accuracy, but generally have a terrible response time. Gaming panels sacrifice colours for faster response times.

If you can buy one from somewhere that has a good returns policy, or can see one 'in the flesh' in a store, that might be a good idea... :)

I had seen something more, but I can't remember where. Anyway, I made a thread about it overthere too.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=26192#26192

Basically I wonder the same things both here and there. One of those is: In the case I go Eizo, should I go white or black version? (Now I'm not talking about looks, because black is definitely more appealing, rather what would be better ergonomically?)

Thanks!!

[StrikeRTM]

I came across a Viewsonic monitor that looks good to me, but can't realy tell if it is good or not. It's specification and price is in the range that I consider affordable. It's the Viesonic VA2012W.

Here's the info -- http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/UK/Products/LCDE2/VA2012w.htm .

As I was saying I'm not shure how good or bad it is in the real life...and I would not like to buy it *blindly.* There are few reviews, moust are not excatly what you could call great so I was wandering if someone from xtremesystems is owing one and maybe could share some information about it?

Main use for that monitor for me would be video watching, gaming and text reading.

Thank's.

[MaxxxRacer]

Strike, my friend kohan got that monitor and he said it ghosted pretty bad and didnt have the greatest image quality... but if your looking for large monitor for a cheap price i suppose it will do.. just dont expect wonders from it.

[wizboy11]

I click on the link to MaxxxRacer's mini review, and I think it's the post saying "this monitor is fck'n awsome". Then I scrolled down....

Anyway I too have the VP930b and love it too. And the only problem that it has is the X-light backlight leakage. Now apparently Viewsonic KNOWS about this yet they don't fix it??? :confused:
Not that it's really a problem though as it's only visable on a black screen.

[darthcani]

Anyone can tell me a email of reseller of DELL for LatinAmerica¿? im in Argentina i need some mail or phone of reseller to order my lcd 2005fpw Thanks All!

[[XC] leviathan18]

call them...

[Liquid3D]

I haven't been following every post on this thread so please excuse me if I'm slightly off on the current string...

I just wanted to thank everyone whom started, did the work, and contributed to this thread. It helped me make a solid decision and learn much more. Three things I learned
about purchasing...

1. Although it can be slightly more expensive and even limit your choices to a certain extent, I must advise purchasing your (my) final model from a local store like Best Buy, Circuit City, even Wallmart etc.. Only in this way can you SEE the actual picture and MOST IMPORTANTLY if there's ANY problems simply drive back and exchange, return, or get another model.

2. It was better to go with a slightly smaller screen then try to get the biggest and best from the start. Screen size seems to determine stability as the technology weeds out the Hinky designs and models. I got a 19" even though i wanted a 21"+.

3. Research, research, and more research. Study the technology, read as many reviews as you can, but most importantly try to read as many user comments as you can tolerate. Sifting through User comments finding repeated strengths and weaknesses shows patterns that can be useful beyond the "I love this monitor" even if people are wacky you can begin to find certain attributes about models they may not even be aware their seeing.

To repeat number One, these monitoirs "DISPLAY" better so when you buy from a store like Newegg and they tell you there's minimum dead pixel return policy, just remember those pixels can be clustered together and I know that would drive me insane.

I love my plain old Samsung 930b it does everything I want it too and once I got a decent digital cable even a 6800GT looked as good as a X1900XTX with an analog cable! Now my 7800GTX actually looks like it should and I've begun to find details in a benchmarks I've run 50,000x like 3DMark2001! For example in Dragothic when the Drgaon is just beginning to fly into the village down in the harbor there are ships I'd overlooked until now. FEAR looks great as well and my old CRT was no slouch it was a IBM P260 Sony 21" FD Trinitron which still cost $300 Refurbished! So like I said get yourself out of your house and into some stores to SEE what certain models look like. I made a top ten list then called around found at least four at one store went there and got to broke them all!!!

Anyway thank you all.

[SparkyJJO]

great job to all those who did work on this :clap: :toast: I was pretty certain on what LCD I wanted to get... but this just helped quite a bit. Thanks!! :woot:

[Turok]

I haven't been following every post on this thread so please excuse me if I'm slightly off on the current string...

I just wanted to thank everyone whom started, did the work, and contributed to this thread. It helped me make a solid decision and learn much more. Three things I learned
about purchasing...

1. Although it can be slightly more expensive and even limit your choices to a certain extent, I must advise purchasing your (my) final model from a local store like Best Buy, Circuit City, even Wallmart etc.. Only in this way can you SEE the actual picture and MOST IMPORTANTLY if there's ANY problems simply drive back and exchange, return, or get another model.

2. It was better to go with a slightly smaller screen then try to get the biggest and best from the start. Screen size seems to determine stability as the technology weeds out the Hinky designs and models. I got a 19" even though i wanted a 21"+.

3. Research, research, and more research. Study the technology, read as many reviews as you can, but most importantly try to read as many user comments as you can tolerate. Sifting through User comments finding repeated strengths and weaknesses shows patterns that can be useful beyond the "I love this monitor" even if people are wacky you can begin to find certain attributes about models they may not even be aware their seeing.

To repeat number One, these monitoirs "DISPLAY" better so when you buy from a store like Newegg and they tell you there's minimum dead pixel return policy, just remember those pixels can be clustered together and I know that would drive me insane.

I love my plain old Samsung 930b it does everything I want it too and once I got a decent digital cable even a 6800GT looked as good as a X1900XTX with an analog cable! Now my 7800GTX actually looks like it should and I've begun to find details in a benchmarks I've run 50,000x like 3DMark2001! For example in Dragothic when the Drgaon is just beginning to fly into the village down in the harbor there are ships I'd overlooked until now. FEAR looks great as well and my old CRT was no slouch it was a IBM P260 Sony 21" FD Trinitron which still cost $300 Refurbished! So like I said get yourself out of your house and into some stores to SEE what certain models look like. I made a top ten list then called around found at least four at one store went there and got to broke them all!!!

Anyway thank you all.

Thanks to our readers too for supporting this thread :up:
Without your interrest in LCD technology, this thread would of probably ended up in the dusty pile of old threads afther the fist page of the "General Hardware" section :D

Liquid3D
If you dont mind, your tips could actually be useful for some people new to LCD shopping.
Do you mind if I put those 3 tips on the guide?
Im thinking about a new section titled "Shopping Tips" on top of the "Links" section. Ill put those 3 tips, and any others that may be useful like:
- Calibrate your monitors to achieve the best performance
- Always use digital signals on LCD monitors for the optimal performance. DVI and HDMI are both digital cables. Component, composite, VGA, and S-Video are analog cables.
- and other tips...

Hopefully Ill be able to post the "Shopping Tips" section, as well as the AGP to Component mod, new LCD like the 3007fpw, and update news like the delay of SED until Q4 07 (Yeah, I know... :( ), OLED LCDs wont be releasing because of the short life and dificulty of making larger displays, and other news...

[Serra]

Just thought I'd pop in with a few suggestions for the first page. There's one or two thing that I think would be worth putting in/changing so I thought I'd mention them.

1. LCD image burn in (or "Image Persistance" to use the LCD manufacturer term) does occur... (visit thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=93571 for a recent example) but seems to be removable. There is a link on the thread posted that should give the correct response for when it happens... just a good bit of info for people who buy something, so they know how to maintain it.

2. The page claims that LCD backlight bulbs are replaceable. While *technically* true, I would like to see it noted that it's not really USER-replacable. The parts aren't exactly sold at every Radio Shack and the chances are very good that a user will do far more damage trying to replace it. It may just be a lot of soldering work (iirc), but once you take into account the number of people that have soldering guns, that will take the step to find those parts, that will pay for those parts instead of just buying a new monitor... etc. It just becomes blatently obvious that there is almost no situation where you can fairly say "replaceable" in reference to a dimmed bulb. It's just not worth the time or effort.

Serra

[mourningair]

hi everyone, first of all i wanna say: great thread, thanks!

i'm about to buy a samsung lcd monitor and i was wondering if anyone had any good or bad things to say about the following two.
samsung sm920t
Size 19''
Resolution 1280 by 1024
Maximum Brightness (candelas per square meter) 250
Contrast Ratio 1000:1
Horizontal/Vertical View Angle (degrees) 170
Pixel Response Time (milliseconds) 25
Interfaces Analog and digital

and
samsung sm193tm
Size 19''
Resolution 1280 by 1024
Maximum Brightness (candelas per square meter) 250
Contrast Ratio 1000:1
Horizontal/Vertical View Angle (degrees) 170
Pixel Response Time (milliseconds) 8
D-Sub, DVI

now as you can see, the specs are pretty much the same, except for response time. both have a pva panel as well and cost pretty much the same here in slovenia... i can't afford to spend more money than that. i'll be using the monitor mostly for text work, internet and photo editing, no gaming at all, so the response time really isn't that important to me. colours are very important though. i'm leaning towards the first one because i've found some good reviews of it and i can't find any for 193tm, except for some user reviews on amazon.de(but my german isn't that good).

what do you think?

[[XC] leviathan18]

tell me please if you find out if the the second one use a 8bit panel that means 16.7 million colors if it uses a 8bit panel i guess you can buy that one if it uses a 6bit panel buy the first one

also you can try and call dell costumer service if they have a number for slovenia you can buy lcd from them and if you are lucky and your salesman is nice it will drop the price a little i bought a 2007fpw yesterday and they sold it to me for 500$ with shipping to venezuela

[mourningair]

according to flatpanels.dk they both have a pva panel, which means 16.7, no? do you know anything more about the two models, except for what the specs say?

thanks for the suggestion! i think i'll stick with buying it here in slovenia because i'm in a bit of a hurry and shipping to europe would definitely take a while, plus i could have problems with customs.

[[XC] leviathan18]

oh well buy the one with lowest response time...


also if you can see them in person is even better the worst problem you can face is backlight bleeding if none of them have that buy them :) and then come here and make a mini review for us :D

[mourningair]

hehe, i'll do that :D but first you need to explain what backlight bleeding is please?

[[XC] leviathan18]

you can check posts 241 and 247 in page 10 of this thread

there you will see the backlight bleeding

is pretty annoying at least if you watch dvds or work with a lot of blacks :P

[[XC] leviathan18]

ok finally i have both the 2007 and the 2405fpw im pretty tired right now so im gonna post just 1 compare pic

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3158/dsc03742medium2qd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[mourningair]

hi everyone, so i ended up buying the older model because its price went down a lot. at first i was very excited, the monitor looks great, i like its design, the slower response time doesn't bother me at all... but then i started noticing some problems. i'm a bit bummed because i've only found positive reviews of this monitor online... the problems are

- when i log on or log off windows xp, the lower left corner is purplish instead of blue
- brightness, too much brightness compared to my old crt. maybe i'm just not used to it, but all my photos looks way too bright on here. if i set the brightness down to 40 or 30, the contrast of the pics doesn't improve a lot. also, doing this test: http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/color_gradients_3.html, i noticed some uneven transitions (the same goes for a black and white photo of mine, where a black shade moves towards grayer)

now, i do have to point out that i haven't calibrated the monitor with magic tune yet. is that why all the colour problems? this might sound silly, but i don't really know how to operate the calibration thing, is there anyone on here who has a samsung lcd and knows how to calibrate it? i found the adobe gamma program on my crt more straightforward. the instructions on the samsung website aren't very clear to me, but then again, i'm not a native speaker of english.

here's a screen shot of the calibration program:
http://www2.shrani.si/files/magictun412225.jpg
and here are the instructions from samsung's website:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitors/magictune/magictune_02_03s.htm
you can see an animation of how the calibration is supposed to be done... but i'm afraid it doesn't make things much clearer for me. i don't understand whether you're moving the bar at the bottom (under Step 1 etc.) to make the whole thing brighter or darker, or are you moving the square thing in the middle, the way it's done in the animation. if so, what is it exactly that you're trying to do? make the littles square of the same colour as the biggest background or?

sorry for such beginner questions... your help would be very appreciated, in a few days i have to decide whether i'm returning the monitor or not. thank you!

[gr8golf]

Just got a Dell 2007WFP in today - will game with it over the weekend and report back. Still waiting for the mythical 2407

[darthcani]

Hi what about this problem in some 2007 "gradient banding "

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46193&stc=1&d=1145653453

Some 2007 User can tell us about this problem ¿? Thanks!!

[dmo580]

Anyone try out Viewsonic's VP2030b?

On paper it looks like one of the best 20" panels out there (4:3). It's specs are basically like the VP930b (clearly best 19" panel out there) and so it makes me wonder....

[phi|os]

Sorry, but I have to just ask, because my eyes are freakin weary from being on the comp on day. I've been checking out this monitor---->

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824009061

Of course, everyone seems happy on newegg in the user reviews, but I know better. I really want a monitor that has res of 1900x1200, to fully take advantage of this big a$$ GPU sitting in my case. So, is this ACER good? Anyone know of any other worthy candidates? Thanks.

[ferrari_freak]

Argh! Ok, so I'm still with this really old CRT, kinda forgot about getting an LCD... But I've had a few people come over to my house, they gawk at the rig, they gawk at the speakers, and then they laugh at the monitor. So.... I'm almost sure that a new monitor will come this summer. Anyway, I was going to get a Dell 2005FPW, but then I heard about 2007WFP. Now I have another candidate. What's better? The Dell 2007WFP or the Viewsonic VX2025WM, both 20.1" wide screen with 1680x1050 res and 800:1 aspect ratio. Dell has slower response times at 16ms while the Viewsonic is 8ms, would that make a difference? They look identical from specs other than the response times, and I can get the Viewsonic about $100CAN cheaper, so which is better? Thanks.

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[[XC] leviathan18]

the dell 2007fpw has hdcp so u can watch HD protected content

[ferrari_freak]

So then the 2007WFP is better, but then again, wouldn't the 16ms response allow room for ghosting, especially since I'm going to be playing UT2004/2007? Thanks.

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[o0Lo0P0o]

the dell 2007fpw has hdcp so u can watch HD protected content


So does the NEC 20WMGX2

[[XC] leviathan18]

So then the 2007WFP is better, but then again, wouldn't the 16ms response allow room for ghosting, especially since I'm going to be playing UT2004/2007? Thanks.

Usama aka Ferrari Freak


i have it no ghost with fast paced games like DOD UT04 or oblivion far cry fear bf2 and nfsmw...

[StrikeRTM]

I was looking at the budget LCD's, but obviously you can't get an LCD dirty cheap and want it to be good for games & movies. I also work with web pages...but I guess you can't count it as a need for good colors, though if it comes in the package...

I've red through this thread, but as it is with purchasing things like this, I still dont realy know what's best for me(movies & games). I do however know that it has to be a widescreen monitor, I'm done with 4:3 and I do not even want to encounter 5:4... So 16:10 or 16:9 is the way to go(1920x1200 != 16:9, 1920x1080 == 16:9). Since true 16:9 LCD's are a rarity, it laves me with ether a 1920x1200 or 1680x1050 LCD's. The budget is anywhere from 500 - 1000$. Next problem I'm facing -- Dell 2007FWP or FPW or PFW or whatever those characters were...is not available in my country and purchasing it offshore...well let's just say that warranty doesn't come included if I do purchase it offshore. And that still leave's me with a rather large 'array' of choises. If that particular Dell model would be available it would probably be what I would purchase. I want to buy the LCD with a resolution of 1680 x 1050 or 1920x1200 for movie watching and game playing. Could somebody help me out and suggest a couple of possible choises? I could then atleast check what's available where I'm at.

One possible choice is Benq FP202W, but I'm not sure if it will do.

Thank's :)!

(this thread has been ...quet for a while)

[wizboy11]

I was looking at the budget LCD's, but obviously you can't get an LCD dirty cheap and want it to be good for games & movies. I also work with web pages...but I guess you can't count it as a need for good colors, though if it comes in the package...

I've red through this thread, but as it is with purchasing things like this, I still dont realy know what's best for me(movies & games). I do however know that it has to be a widescreen monitor, I'm done with 4:3 and I do not even want to encounter 5:4... So 16:10 or 16:9 is the way to go(1920x1200 != 16:9, 1920x1080 == 16:9). Since true 16:9 LCD's are a rarity, it laves me with ether a 1920x1200 or 1680x1050 LCD's. The budget is anywhere from 500 - 1000$. Next problem I'm facing -- Dell 2007FWP or FPW or PFW or whatever those characters were...is not available in my country and purchasing it offshore...well let's just say that warranty doesn't come included if I do purchase it offshore. And that still leave's me with a rather large 'array' of choises. If that particular Dell model would be available it would probably be what I would purchase. I want to buy the LCD with a resolution of 1680 x 1050 or 1920x1200 for movie watching and game playing. Could somebody help me out and suggest a couple of possible choises? I could then atleast check what's available where I'm at.

One possible choice is Benq FP202W, but I'm not sure if it will do.

Thank's :)!

(this thread has been ...quet for a while)

I think your looking for the Dell 2405.

Forget about the 2007's because of the "banding" issue.

[ferrari_freak]

I think your looking for the Dell 2405.

Forget about the 2007's because of the "banding" issue.

What do you mean by the banding issue?

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[wizboy11]

What do you mean by the banding issue?

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1842727&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=19&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Thats just one place. It seems that nearly all Dell 2007's are plagued with the "banding" issue and others with "washed out colors". My suggestion would be to get either a 2005fpw or a 2405fpw if you wanted a widescreen Dell monitor. Those don't have any issues AFAIK.

[StrikeRTM]

I think your looking for the Dell 2405.

Forget about the 2007's because of the "banding" issue.
Dell 2405 is available (http://www.capital.lv/index.php?id=15449) for purchasing. Except the price is 750LVL. 1$ ~ 0.55LVL. 750 * 100 / 55 ~ 1363$ I'm afraid it wont fit in my 500-1000$ budget. There are three shops that sell Dell LCD's localy, maybe the other two have it for a better price. Any other suggestions as to what I should look for if Dell 2405 doesn't come through(for movies & games)?

[wizboy11]

Dell 2405 at Dell.com is $999, then use coupons to drop the price down even more.

Are you in the US?

[Leon939]

and how's Acer F-20 Black-Red 20" 8ms Widescreen ???

link http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824009071

[StrikeRTM]

wizboy11, that's just the problem -- I'm not in the US, I'm in Europe. Some stuff I cannot get :stick: .

[Jatku]

Has anyone had any experience gaming on the Dell or Apple (new version) 30" monitors?

[GungSeng]

Apple 20-inch Cinema

Price: 700-800 USD

Specs:
- 20-inch Widescreen LCD Display
- LG Phillips S-IPS Panel
- 16 ms Response Time
- 8-bit colour (16.7 Million Colours)
- Contrast Ratio: 400:1
- Native Resolution: 1680x1050
- Pixel Pitch: 0.258 mm

Pros:
- High native resolution
- Excellent colour reproduction and visual quality
- Excellent viewing angles
- Beautiful aluminum finish
- High quality assembly

Cons:
- Motion blurring AND ghosting noticeable in gaming and everyday use
- Very Expensive

Summary:
This monitor looks absolutely amazing. The motion blurring and screen ghosting, however, make it a poor choice for gaming considering the faster panels out there. It has the exact same panel and response time as the Viewsonic V201s, and yet illustrates a poorer response in practical application. Just goes to show that even the same panel can perform differently depending on the monitor.

:nono: :stick: :poke:

It seems that the creator of this thread seems to be a little misinformed about the nature of the 20" ACD. I have taken the liberty to try and correct a few flaws in your description of the 20" Apple Cinema Display.

I've had this monitor for about 6 months now and it has beaten every other LCD I have seen (new ones from Viewsonic and Dell etc.) in response time, colour production and of course in stylishness.

This monitor (or at least mine) DOES NOT ghost at all. My friend has a Viewsonic 912 (8ms), which ghosts a bit (noticeable in CS:S) and has (according to him) quite horrible colour reproduction. Anyway, we compared many fast paced games like NFSMW, NFSU2, all kinds of Source-engine based games etc and this monitor simply doesn't ghost at all.

However, this monitor was quite expensive (755 eur with student discount) and it cannot scale any pictures so it will run at 1680x1050 or it just show a black screen. I currently have a love-hate relationship with it. When it works, there is nothing that can beat it. The play experience on this thing is jaw dropping. World of Warcraft (please forgive me for my sins...) among other things is heaven on this piece of hardware. When it doesn't work (registry hacking a game to work on 1680x1050) it is a major pain in the ass. Luckily all most all games support 1680x1050 natively nowadays (or at least the ones I play).

For those who have deep pockets and follow a strict style pattern with their computer hardware, nothing can beat the 20" Apple Cinema Display so I absolutely recommend it. :)

The 23" and 30" displays are in a class of their own. I have never tested any games on them and I have heard some bad reports about them regarding their gaming potential so I have no reason to suspect that the characteristics of the 20" apply to the other displays.

PS. I am not an apple-fan nor do I own any apple computers and probably never will.

[[XC] leviathan18]

how you can say the acd is better than dell 20" if in fact they are the same lcd... just a exterior change and a massive price in the apple one? you can find the dell 2407 for 890$ less than what you paid for your 20" i cant see any ghost in my 2405fpw but some ppl with better eyesight perhaps see some ghosting all dell and apple are actually same panel apple is just charging premium because they are used to it....

[16floz470ml]

Has anyone had any experience gaming on the Dell or Apple (new version) 30" monitors?

I too would like to know about this. The resolution is just great but the response time is lacking. With this thing it would be like looking out of a window when you play games. Also I guess the max refresh rate will be 60 hertz which will suck. What is a good lcd display modding site?

[GungSeng]

Yes, they are the same LCD, but the dell using some kind of Digital --> Analog --> Digital adapter inside the LCD to enable picture scaling (which the ACD cant do :(), but this degrades picture quality. Check my reply in another thread please.

I was earlier thinking about selling my 20" ACD to get he 2407 in order to get a bigger viewable area, but according several reviews around the internet the 2407 has major picture quality problems. If the problems are solved in the next revision, I will seriously consider selling my ACD, however. :stick:

[Anemone]

In order of preference Samsung 244T (8 bit color and no banding vs the 2407 which has 6 bit color...), 2405, or waiting for the 2707 or Samsung equivalent, but that won't fit the budget.

[[XC] leviathan18]

Image Max H-View Angle Image Max V-View Angle
±89° (typical) ±89° (typical)
Color Support Connectivity Technology
16.7 Million Cable

8bit panel i preffer the dell having the scale technology at 1920x1200 first not many games support it and then you need some major gpu power

i wont pay more for a white stylish lcd....


the dell 3007fpw is a beat fragtek here bought one and he was very happy he sold his 2405 to move and he said it was great.

[Anemone]

2707 coming may use this panel:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/Monitor/LTM270M1/LTM270M1.htm

Sep-Oct' ish

[[XC] leviathan18]

probably is that one 3000:1 nice contrast ratio

[krille]

Noticed the guide hasn't been updated for almost six months (latest edit was 12-28-2005), has nothing happend since then? Does anyone know when next gen of ~24" 1920x1200 displays are coming, that will hopefully be even better at gaming (I know you are very happy with your lev... but still). Good luck lev on the turtle soup btw...

[[XC] leviathan18]

yes turok is free now and he is preparing and update right now we have full new line up of dell 2007 2407 3007 and next 2707 we are just waiting reviews and ppl that buys them to read customer reviews about the lcd

just wait a little and you will see some updates :p:

btw the soup was great xD

[[XC] leviathan18]

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/06/23/Dell_Ultrasharp_2407WFP_monito/1.html

dell 2407fpw review

[Anemone]

I'm beginning to think I'd like to see the 30" Dell panel with the Samsung panel. /sigh Even if they start using the panel, how would we know? Wish they would also start using like a 3007L and 3007S and just let us pick.

:)

[p360stick]

what is the minimum resolution and the max resolution for dual display? i mean in each monitor?

[adamant415]

I enjoy my gateway 19" widescreen monitor. I bought it for the price and the fact that it supports hdcp over dvi. I see no ghosting while gaming and my dvd's look as good as can be expected. I cannot wait till I get an hd-dvd or blu ray to see some better image quality though.

[FLMJIGGY]

Great Guide!!! Have a 37" for PC but SED is looking sweet!!!

[ineedaname]

Hey does any1 know if this monitor is any good?
its the Benq FP202W 20" LCD

http://benq.com/products/LCD/?product=594

[ssnseawolf]

I've heard generally good things about Benq.

[Viktor]

I'm thinking of buying a TFT screen, my good ol' LG 901B feels a bit old.
So, I've been checking out the new NEC widescreen monitor and the Samsung Syncmaster 215TW. According to the reviews I've read, the samsung seems to be ahead of the NEC monitor.
So, what do you guys think of the screens, and do you have a better monitor to reccomend, please go ahead. :)

[Quest_7F]

I cant believe that I get more info here than any other place wth, neway great job and thanks.

[ferrari_freak]

Hi all, the 2007WFP just came in yesterday after ordering it last friday and man am I impressed. This thing is just gorgeous, beautiful colours, huge screen (well at least compared to my old CRT which had 16" viewing area) but I still have one point to make, which is that there IS noticeable ghosting when playing UT and other games. Another thing, NFS U2 and NFS MW stopped working as soon as I hooked up the monitor. Anyone know what might be wrong? I'll download patches and stuff and try a reinstall. I don't think they support widescreen either so you guys have links to hacks to get them to work widescreen? Anyways, slight ghosting but overall awesome monitor, thanks a lot to Turok and Leviathan for great advice.

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[Pirated]

How about this 20" Viewsonic VX2025WM 1680x1200 performance?

[[XC] leviathan18]

ferrari thats strange i have 2007fpw 2405fpw and i dont see any ghosting and lots ppl see my 2007fpw while i play and they say is perfect...

and i can play nfsmw :S in both try to reinstall and try widescreen gaming forum for hacks maybe i will make a compilation of hacks for games and add it here so we dont have to go anywhere :p:

[buff]

Anybody know how the 24" Acer LCD is?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824009061

[ferrari_freak]

ferrari thats strange i have 2007fpw 2405fpw and i dont see any ghosting and lots ppl see my 2007fpw while i play and they say is perfect...

and i can play nfsmw :S in both try to reinstall and try widescreen gaming forum for hacks maybe i will make a compilation of hacks for games and add it here so we dont have to go anywhere :p:

Well, on the day I got it, the first thing my brother said was, "Hey, why is it laggy?" and it can't be my rigs performance because it he was on The Sims' loading screen with the different words sliding by. Meh, you get used to it after a while and the ghosting is very little anyways. Btw, also tried out Guild Wars, it looks absolutely awesome, the picture is just so much more detailed than the VGA connector on my old CRT.

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[K.I.T.T.]

Any comments on this screen?

http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10287458&pid=0&rstrat=3242

I really fancy that, unless someone can find me something better under £300. Does it support HDCP (do i even need HDCP) ?

[Something Sexy]

Anyone who recently purchased a 2407 or a 2007 did you get the new revision I think A1 or A2? And if so did it seem to fix any banding issues? Also can I get confirmation that these two monitors both are HDCP ready?

[[XC] leviathan18]

all 07 are hdcp ready :D

[aintz]

the dell 2407 is a really good monitor right now and yes it is hdcp ready and its not that expensive with all the coupons and stuff.

[Something Sexy]

Yea I am thinking of either picking up the 2407 or 2 2007s. Do you know what the response time is on the 2407?

[Moonraker™]

Anyone got some reviews / things to say on the 20.1" Samsung SM204B ???

[[XC] leviathan18]

exact the same lcd as dell 2007fpw sear at bit tech i think they have the review

[phelan1777]

Hey guys, anyone here hve suggestions for a not toooo cheap quality LCD. 17-19" not for gaming?

[Moonraker™]

exact the same lcd as dell 2007fpw sear at bit tech i think they have the review

if you're on about the SM204B. I can't see one there.

[Something Sexy]

I haven't decided with what monitor to go with now. The Dell monitors have so many problems now that I don't know I want to deal with that mess. I was looking at the Samsun 215TW because it has HDCP and is 21" but people are expirencing problems now with single verticl lines showing up on there screen of a random color. I don't know if I want to deal with that mess now either. Is there a 20-21" HDCP ready monitor out there that doesn't suck?

[Viktor]

I haven't decided with what monitor to go with now. The Dell monitors have so many problems now that I don't know I want to deal with that mess. I was looking at the Samsun 215TW because it has HDCP and is 21" but people are expirencing problems now with single verticl lines showing up on there screen of a random color. I don't know if I want to deal with that mess now either. Is there a 20-21" HDCP ready monitor out there that doesn't suck?
I were looking at that monitor too, though I haven't read of the problems you described, hopefully they will fix em on the next revision.

[Something Sexy]

As much as I don't like trusting newegg reviews, about half them people complained about it and said they had to return their monitors for another, and in some cases people had to do it twice. A couple other forums out there people are claiming the same thing is happening to them. Its a shame because that is a real nice monitor.

[Viktor]

Yes, seems to be really good, despite the problems you described ofcourse.
Very hard to find a good LCD monitor it seems, everyone has their on problems.

[Something Sexy]

Its looking like, risk it with this and have to worry about returning or take a chance with Dell and hopefully get a monitor that doesn't have to bad of a banding issue.

[pchangover]

I would love to be able to get a 20.1" Widescreeen LCD with great response time and has HDCP compliance.. except its almost impossible to find.

The only one that fits all of these is the Dell 2007fpw, which has some really bad banding issues.

The other monitor that I am thinking of getting is the Viewsonic VX2025WM.. except it isn't HDCP compliant :(
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824116381

Any other ideas?

[Something Sexy]

I also thought of the VX2025WM, its very temping. There are a few gateways and HPs out there that are very decent that have HDCP, although I do not have model numbers right now.

[Verisimilitude]

the dell 2407 is a really good monitor right now and yes it is hdcp ready and its not that expensive with all the coupons and stuff.


I keep hearing about these coupons! I really want that monitor! Where do I find these coupons?

[Something Sexy]

Just do a google search. If you pick one up, let me know how the banding is.

[pchangover]

Is there an updated list ANYWHERE that lists currently available HDCP compliant lcds.. you would think manufacturers would freaking list this crap. I know that most of the dells and gateway ones are but what about everyone else?

[Gerry_W]

Heheh. Here are... twelve... monitors that fit that description. It's a bit dated. I'm sure you could come up with something else on Google. :D
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista_hdcp_lcd_roundup/page2.asp

I was wondering if anyone knows of a good 19" LCD monitor. I was considering 20" monitors, but I've realized I don't really need that much screen space.

There are a slew of 'em out there. The Viewsonic VX922 and 924 are similarly-priced; the Samsung 930B and 940B also seem to have similar features. I've heard a lot about the 930B, but they're all nice. Could anyone guide me in the right direction? I don't need anything extreme (do I belong here, then? ;) ) but something that will last me. I value accurate color representation over response time. After all, whatever the response time is, it's sure to be better than this one's 25 ms.

Thanks in advance,
Gerry

[pchangover]

Heheh. Here are... twelve... monitors that fit that description. It's a bit dated. I'm sure you could come up with something else on Google. :D
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista_hdcp_lcd_roundup/page2.asp

I was wondering if anyone knows of a good 19" LCD monitor. I was considering 20" monitors, but I've realized I don't really need that much screen space.

There are a slew of 'em out there. The Viewsonic VX922 and 924 are similarly-priced; the Samsung 930B and 940B also seem to have similar features. I've heard a lot about the 930B, but they're all nice. Could anyone guide me in the right direction? I don't need anything extreme (do I belong here, then? ;) ) but something that will last me. I value accurate color representation over response time. After all, whatever the response time is, it's sure to be better than this one's 25 ms.

Thanks in advance,
Gerry

heh, I knew someone would link that article.. yeah it is a little dated and all of the screens are expensive! As for your 19" lcd dilemma.. go to Best Buy and look at their lcds. My buddy picked up a 19" mag lcd from there on the cheap and it is awesome for games.. I know.. its surprising.

[pchangover]

Okay.. well it appears the only HDCP monitors available that are relatively affordable are these two:

Dell 2007fpw ($367)
Gateway FPD2185W ($499)

According to reviews the gateway is better than the dell because dell still has banding issues and crap... argh its soo hard to find a half decent lcd!

[Soulburner]

The 2407 is looking great:

6ms response time;
450cd/m² brightness;
1000:1 contrast ratio;
DVI (with HDCP), VGA, Component, S-Video, Composite;
4x USB 2.0 ports, card reader;

I'll be watching this one, for when my current 19" Trinitron finally dies.

[[XC] leviathan18]

The 2407 is looking great:

6ms response time;
450cd/m² brightness;
1000:1 contrast ratio;
DVI (with HDCP), VGA, Component, S-Video, Composite;
4x USB 2.0 ports, card reader;

I'll be watching this one, for when my current 19" Trinitron finally dies.

is the lcd to get the price is like 900$ 24" you can see 1080p movies play with the xbox360 and ps3 in HD resolution you play HD DVD and BR the card reader is handy i use it a lot the usb are a plus to add pen drives or the mouse or something like that, and nice specs crap i want to sell my 2405 to get this one....

but better wait until ppl buys them and spot the defects and dell repair them... so you wont have problems lol

[Soulburner]

According to the bit-tech review there already are revisions to the monitor and there are no known problems with it. They also mentioned gaming was great.

It would be between the Dell 2407 and the Samsung 244T.

[Something Sexy]

I would advise against getting thr 2407, go to the dell monitor forums and enjoy. Banding is still apparently a major problem, although not as bad as it used to be, also the component cable connections are HORRIBLE. They are up to revision A02 and still cant fix the damn thing. Don't think it is worth the money.

[Anemone]

Haven't read anything about the 244T or 245T having banding issues? Anyone find any?

Kind of wish the 305T would come with multiple inputs like the 244T at least two DVI inputs (vga is so last decade). But it appears the stripped to the bones 30" lcd is the way of things.

/sigh

[Soulburner]

I would advise against getting thr 2407, go to the dell monitor forums and enjoy. Banding is still apparently a major problem, although not as bad as it used to be, also the component cable connections are HORRIBLE. They are up to revision A02 and still cant fix the damn thing. Don't think it is worth the money.
That's odd, the review said it wasn't noticeable during usage with their A01. :rolleyes:

[Something Sexy]

That's odd, the review said it wasn't noticeable during usage with their A01. :rolleyes:


Don't trust reviews. Just read what users have to say:

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board?board.id=dim_monitor

[Soulburner]

Yeah I went and checked around there for a bit. There seems to be quite a few unhappy people. Yikes!

That 244T is looking better, but I will still wait. I don't need one now, but I do like to do research ahead of time and stay informed, for when I am ready.

Its funny how the 2405 didn't have any of these issues, then they release it with HDCP and mess up the rest of the design by using a new panel. I can see it, in their search for getting the response time down but it really mucked things up.

[Anemone]

Don't know about the current 2407, but honestly you have 30 days to figure you can deal or you hate it.

I've only got the lowly 2405 :) and I find it excellent. I do not have that lag people are referring to at all, however I am running it from a 7900GTX, which maybe makes some difference. I didn't think so from the way the problem was described but I don't have lots of ways to explain that I have zero lag and I've worked hard to detect it.

Anyway, lots of folks are getting 2407's and liking them. There seem to be some problems. So, I'd put this on a "should try it but be careful" thought, not an "avoid this at all costs" status.

Personally I'm liking this one enough that I'm rather hopeful the 30" Sammy panel in a 3007 would be pretty nice. If they would finally add a second DVI port and the composite inputs, on top of using the PVA panel I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

Just my $.02

[airwolves]

Well for those that want to change to a lcd I checked the power usage over a crt and its about 50 watts different.. I'm using a Hitachi 17"lcd and it uses 30 watts and checked my sons comp the 19" crt uses 80 watts and other is a 17" crt and it uses 50 watts so I'm upgrading mine to a Viewsonic VX922 which should use 33 watts and retiring the 19" crt.. As most dont think about it the benifits is lower poweruseage and less heat and better on the eyes ;)

Hope this Viewsonic VX922 is good on gaming.

[Something Sexy]

It might be worth it to try the 2407 if we can return in 30 days for full refund.

[Moonraker™]

Well for those that want to change to a lcd I checked the power usage over a crt and its about 50 watts different.. I'm using a Hitachi 17"lcd and it uses 30 watts and checked my sons comp the 19" crt uses 80 watts and other is a 17" crt and it uses 50 watts so I'm upgrading mine to a Viewsonic VX922 which should use 33 watts and retiring the 19" crt.. As most dont think about it the benifits is lower poweruseage and less heat and better on the eyes ;)

Hope this Viewsonic VX922 is good on gaming.

It is a good monitor indeed.

I was set on a 19". That exact one. But now I'm getting a SM204B. 20.1" (1600x1200) and 5ms response! C/R 800:1. Just for like £70 - £90 more.

[Got Chow]

It might be worth it to try the 2407 if we can return in 30 days for full refund.

I agree. I think I may pick one up since I received a 20% off coupon in my e-mail. Comes out to $700, which is a darn good price for that IMO.

[Soulburner]

I agree. I think I may pick one up since I received a 20% off coupon in my e-mail. Comes out to $700, which is a darn good price for that IMO.
747.15/1.20 = $622.62 ;)

[phelan1777]

hey guys, dunno if someone posted this on XS yet, but I am adding it to this thread,
Original is from HARDOCP.

Up date from original poster.

In light of the recent Dell monitor blowout , many of us (including I) have wished there was some automated program for monitoring Dell monitors for price changes.

Well, I decided it would benefit humanity to quicky conjure up a program to check prices of Dell Monitors (almost all of them) every minute, and dispach e-mail notifications when a price change occurs. Just select a monitor and put in your e-mail address, and you will be alerted within one minute of a price change.

Since it only was developed today, it's only a Beta, and new features will be added based on global usage. So, make me feel popular and check it out.

Dell Monitor Price Alterter v0.71:

http://dell.myt0.com <- NEW URL!

New in v0.7 -----------------------------------------------

* SMS & AIM notifications (not totally implemented yet)

* Very new UI... I think it's pretty sweet if you ask me.

* More options for selecting when you receive notifications.

* Donation link. Drop me a few bucks if you wish

New in v0.6 ------------------------------------------------

* Slightly better support for lower resolutions

* Login System

* Customized URL watching

* Customized URL alerts

* Decreased update speed to 3 minutes, still plenty often enough.


Kudos to my cousin, JaYp146 for rounding up the URLs... a tedious and unrewarding but nontheless important part. If you feel he missed any monitors, you can e-mail or PM them to me.


Cheeers,

Tom D.
Link to Original Post:
[H] (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1078989&page=1&pp=20)


I subsribed as I am thinking of gettign a 2407.

Hopefully this will help those of us that are looking for LCD's

[Something Sexy]

Would be nice if the new dell monitors didn't blow.

[Verisimilitude]

Just do a google search. If you pick one up, let me know how the banding is.

The original 2407WFP monitors had a problem with banding that turned out to be a firmware issue. If very specific patterns (such as DisplayMate's test gradients) were sent to the monitor, the firmware could get confused and think it was a video feed and process the signal incorrectly. Our model is revision A02, and this newer firmware fixes that specific problem—mostly.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1991550,00.asp

[Something Sexy]

The original 2407WFP monitors had a problem with banding that turned out to be a firmware issue. If very specific patterns (such as DisplayMate's test gradients) were sent to the monitor, the firmware could get confused and think it was a video feed and process the signal incorrectly. Our model is revision A02, and this newer firmware fixes that specific problem—mostly.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1991550,00.asp

So it isn't to bad, the banding problem? Because some users are still complaining it is bad. Also I still don't like the idea of being a product where some of the features don't work. For example, the banding was ONLY semi fixed in desktop mode, multimedia and gaming modes are horrible. Also the component connections also produce a horrible image AND there are reports on the dell forums which I believe have been confirmed by Dell that even though it is HDCP it can't play at 1080i....WTF is that?

[Verisimilitude]

Also the component connections also produce a horrible image AND there are reports on the dell forums which I believe have been confirmed by Dell that even though it is HDCP it can't play at 1080i....WTF is that?
I know!

The 2407 is great if you keep it in Desktop mode. But I mostly game and I realized my X850XT (keeping it until DX10) couldn't push the 2407 very well in FPS.

The Banding is still noticeable if you switch to gaming or movie modes, BUT it is confirmed Firmware issue, not a hardware. Hardware wise the Dell is with the best out there.

I went with the 1907, as these problems are non existent, even though I <3 widescreen.

[Got Chow]

I purchased a 2407 yesterday for about $760 taxed and shipped. I'll let you guys know about the banding / 1080i / other modes issues when I receive it. I'm pretty darn sure it will be an A02 revision.

It was not $622, as the 20% off coupon was off the original price, which brought it down to about $700, then add tax and recycling fee in CA. Still, not a bad price for the monitor if it works nicely. If not, I'll be sending it back.

[Something Sexy]

If you happen to have a really higih quality digital camera and could take pictures of any banding or lack of banding that would be awesome.

[Got Chow]

Yep, will try to do so. I have a pretty good camera so I will try my best to capture it. I don't know if the monitor will arrive before the weekend though, probably next week truthfully.

[Viktor]

Which is the best 19" inch lcd monitor?
I've been looking at the Viewsonic VP930, seems like a really good monitor, nice looking to.

[Something Sexy]

I caved and just ordered the ViewSonic VX2025WM. It was cheap plus newegg had free shipping on it this weekend. I figured I would pick it up a cheaper one now and get a HDCP one once Samsung/Dell figure out what the hell they are doing.

[Soulburner]

What if you just left it on "Desktop" mode and adjusted the image yourself? I thought the banding was fixed there, so wouldn't that be a solution?

[Something Sexy]

It is true that it works in desktop mode, BUT users are still reporting banding issues. Some people might have a better eye than others, or it might be the luck of the draw, but too many people are reporting banding problems still with A02 revision. Also I don't think I would want to spend my money on a product where only half of the features work. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Soulburner]

I wonder though (and I haven't looked this up) if people are seeing this during normal use, or are they complaining about it after seeing it in some synthetic test they are running?

[Something Sexy]

I have been following the forums a bit, it seems to go both ways. Testing and normal use.

[pchangover]

I will be picking up the 2407 later on this week and will let you guys know how it is. I will upgrading from a 17" planar lcd... should be interesting :)

[Got Chow]

Will be receiving my 2407 today. Something Sexy, did you still want to see a review? I know you got your monitor already, but if you would like I can still post something up... Or other forum members if they request.

[pchangover]

Will be receiving my 2407 today. Something Sexy, did you still want to see a review? I know you got your monitor already, but if you would like I can still post something up... Or other forum members if they request.

please do!

[Got Chow]

Argh...

I JUST received another e-mail from Dell. It gives me a coupon for 25% off of a monitor. I purchased my monitor last week with a 20% off coupon. :( I paid $770 total, and now this coupon would have taken my total price down $725.

I'm going to call and see if I can get a couple bucks back. Highly unlikely and my patience will probably long run out before that. If somebody wants the coupon (only if you are absolutely sure you are going to buy it and use it), then PM me.

EDIT: The coupon also works for the 2007 and 1907, through Dell Small Business. The coupon will remove 25% off of the original price, not off of the sale price indicated.

And I just received the monitor... I'm at work right now though, so no revew until later unfortunately...

[Something Sexy]

Yes, definitely post the review. I am still interested in picking up a Dell monitor in the future if they can fix their :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

[Got Chow]

OK will do.

By the way, the coupon is already spoken for. We've got some quick people on here!

[pchangover]

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thats me.. quick draw pchangover.. lol

[ShoNuff]

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thats me.. quick draw pchangover.. lol

If you get a coupon please pass it on. :D

edit #1: @Got Chow...looking forward to your thoughts on Dell's latest and greatest.
edit #2: Too late. I allready ordered. $703 is not a bad price until you have to pay taxes on it. :)

[Got Chow]

Just a quick preview, not a real review yet... I got home late and had to be at work early, so I did not have much time to really play around with the settings on the monitor that much.

Initial thoughts on the 2407WFP... It's pretty big! Sitting on my desk, it takes up quite a bit of space, which is quite nice. There are pictures below comparing the the 2407WFP with the 20" 2001FP that got replaced. Just judging by the keyboard as a comparison in size, it's quite a bit wider, although height is the same.

The monitor is very bright. I left everything on default when taking the pictures. You can tell from the surroundings, that the camera incrased the shutter speed a bit on the 2407WFP shot, since the metering used was justified to get a good exposure of the LCD screen. Since the surroundings are a little darker, it makes sense that the 2407WFP is a little brighter. Contrast is similar to the 2001FP monitor, but I think the text is slightly fuzzier on the 2407WFP instead of the 2001FP.

The stand is quite nice. I would have preferred all black, but silver is fine. You can turn the screen to portrait mode. However, the thing is so damn big that I cannot turn it. It is sitting on an Ikea Jerker desk which has a top shelf... I cannot rotate it since there is not enough clearance. LOL. My 2001FP had this feature as well, and truthfully, I never used it. The monitor can go up and down fairly easily, and stops wherever you put it. It is controlled by a spring in the stand. Looks like it has just the right amount of tension to keep the monitor anywhere you want it. It can get really low as well, about 2" off the tabletop, which is nice for those who have a desk with a "shelf" specifically to put a monitor on. This stand takes up less space than the 2001FP stand, which is appreciated. And there is a hole in the middle of the stand for wires to pass through. It can swivel left and right as well, and does so smoothly. However, I never use this function either.

No banding that I can notice at all. I did not go through synthetic tests, as that really doesn't mean much to me. I switched to Multimedia and Gaming mode, and all I can really tell is that the color temperatures change a little. I left it on desktop mode which was recommended for minimal banding. However, I did not notice banding on the other modes when I switched to them for a short amount of time. Brightness and colors seem uniform to my eye, all over the screen. No backlight leakage or specific bright areas.

The only game I have installed right now is WoW (recently reformatted). And it looks awesome at 1920x1200. I'm only running a 7800GT, and it can handle WoW at that resolution with no problems. I spent a few minutes roaming around and it looks incredible in game. Spinning around I find no ghosting, and I really don't expect there to be an issue with that in other games either.

There is a media reader, which is also good to have since I can pull the one out of my 3.5" bay now and put my waterpump there instead. There are also enough inputs for everything you need, except HDMI. I only had my PC going to it through DVI. I will try and plug in some other components later, probably an HD DirecTV box, to see how it looks.

One thing you'll quickly realize is that you do not need such a wide ass monitor for regular use. I setup the gridlines through nview, and easily had my AIM window on the right, and 2 web browsers side by side with no issue. Maximizing a single browser, and looking at a site built for 800x600 is quite strange. A lot of white space!

All in all, I am extremely happy with the purchase. I see none of the banding problems reported, but I have to see how things scale onto the monitor as well. I heard 1600x1200 doesn't scale right in some games, it only stretches and cannot put black bars on the sides even if configured to do so... I also heard problems with the component inputs, but that is yet to be seen. But hell, for $770, it is one kick ass monitor. I paid $650 for my 2001FP back in the day.

I was going to sell the 2001FP, but now I'm wondering if I should have it as a secondary monitor off to the side! :D Don't know why I would use all that real estate, but why not! :)

And 2 quick comparison pics. I'll try and get more detailed pictures later. The surroundings are dark, as the shots were metered for the actual LCD screen itself. I had a tripod setup so that I could get exact comparisons, but I bumped it out of place while putting in the 2407WFP, so it's not quite exact as I had to reposition the tripod.

http://www.got-chow.com/pics/geek/2001fp.jpg
http://www.got-chow.com/pics/geek/2407wfp.jpg

[Something Sexy]

Awesome, I am glad you had some good luck with your monitor. If all is well I will probably pick one of these up in the near future for my main monitor and have my Viewsonic for my secondary. Mwuaha.

[Moonraker™]

I like that Dell above. But I'm still shafted on what to get.

I was gonna get the Samsung SM204B 5ms 20.1" monitor... But whats all this DHCP then? is it THAT much of a requierment?

[Got Chow]

Supposedly future high def stuff will require "HDCP" ready devices. This means everything from the optical drive all the way to the monitor. This monitor is HDCP ready but that had no weight in my decision to buy it. I would care less right now if it was not HDCP ready... I think it is years away.

[Something Sexy]

Yea HDCP for computers anyways won't come into play until Vista is out and there are actually HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players for PCs, and who knows when we will see that, for a DECENT price. Thats what ultimately veered me away from worrying about HDCP.

[ShoNuff]

Nice job with the mini review. I am also currently using a 2001FP so I appreciate your comparison. I'm looking forward to the monitor. It will be nice to have a bit more real-estate on the screen.

Congrats! :up:

[Moonraker™]

@ Got Chow + Something Sexy

Thanks for that :) - Confirming what I was thinking about it not being major now. My last monitor lasted me 4 years, was one of the first wave of LCD monitors.

I'm not a big fan of widescreen, but Chow's looks so f'kin cool on that desk!

[Something Sexy]

Yea it is a beauty. I think widescreen is gonna be the way to go now. I should be getting my viewsonic either today or tomorrow and will post pictures and a review.

[Got Chow]

I wasn't a big fan of widescreens either... However, there is quite a good amount of support for 1920x1200, so I went ahead and got this. The weirder 1680x1050 resolutions I don't see so much of though... I don't watch movies on this PC since I have a media projector, but I'll try it out to see what DVDs look like.

[pchangover]

Good to see. I am patiently awaiting your full review. I will be ordering my 2407 tomorrow!

[Got Chow]

Coupon is available again. First to PM gets it. It expires tomorrow!

[Moonraker™]

I've PM'd. Would it work for me? I'm from UK. I want a monitor tho, so it'd help. lol.

[pchangover]

I also have a 25% coupon that I am giving away. I got it off of ebay last night for $2 and found out that it isn't stackable with my $45 off coupon. PM me to get it. It expires tomorrow.

[Got Chow]

pchangover,

Check the online deals forum too. I posted in there for somebody to PM and get it. Maybe you can post yours there too?

Moonraker, check your PMs... Unfortunately it only works for the 50 US states. :(

[ShoNuff]

Got Chow...what panel revision did you get? I'm curious to see if Dell is shipping the A02's yet.

[Got Chow]

It's an A02. They've been shipping these for quite a while now.

[Something Sexy]

Oh yea I am pretty sure no one is getting A0 or A1's now, if you do call Dell and they will send you a new one ASAP.

[ShoNuff]

I'm pretty confident Dell is shipping the A02's now. Someone from Bit-tech did get an A01. He ordered on July 13. Even still, he did not report any problems.

Thanks for the help Chow and SS. :)

[Soulburner]

Make sure you guys test all the inputs/outputs on that monitor as well.

[Something Sexy]

Yes, ALSO if possible test to make sure 1080i works properly, that is another issues people were claiming problems with.

[Moonraker™]

Ah bugger. The US get it all....

We pay stupid prices, get over taxed and don't even get anything like a "coupon" :mad:

[Something Sexy]

1. Banding still present in A02
Banding is fixed in desktop mode. For multimedia, gaming and non-prime modes, we have left the complete set of Faroudja video processing enabled so banding may still be visible in some cases when the color enhancement processing kicks in.

2. Doesn't support 1600x1200
2407WFP supports 1600x1200 in fill mode only. 4:3 aspect ratio is not supported.

3. Doesn't support 1080i over DVI
The DVI connection is designed for PC connectivity. Simliar to the 2405FPW, 1080i is not supported in this mode. We support 1080p over DVI for HDCP usage. Progressive video has better performance over interlaced formats.

4. Incorrectly displays 1080i over component giving an usable image
We recommend 720p over component for the best image quality. 1080i deinterlacing is enabled but you may experience artifacts in some images.

5. Video tearing on 720p over both component/DVI when in 1:1 mode
We are investigating this issue.

6. Banding has been fixed on horizontal graidents, but it has not been fixed on verticle graidents.
This question hasn't been answered by Dell yet.

For Dell owners and interested buyers. This comes directly from the dell forums. These were problems that users were bringing up. The text in Red is Dells response from Chris at Dell. If anyone here can verify some of these problems have been fixed that would be great.

[Got Chow]

I didn't have a chance to use the monitor much more last night. Busy with work... The only thing that I will add is that:

1) The gaming mode does not look very good. Not that I saw any banding through regular usage, but I think what it basically does in that mode is increase the gamma. Doesn't look right.

2) In Multimedia mode, I don't see any banding. But it might just be me? Maybe I have bad eyes. :D

3) This puppy can get hot! The top, back, right side of the casing was HOT! I'm guessing the casing was about 40*C. Doesn't bother me a whole lot, should be just normal operation temperature, but I bet this guy can suck up some wattage.

I haven't tested anything else unfortunately. I would really like 1600x1200 in 1:1 mode with the black bars, as some games still may not have a 1920x1200 setting. Not that I have tried it, but in SS's post, it looks like it won't work.

Will try out some HD stuff and more games and DVDs later in the week... I've just been swamped.

[Something Sexy]

I got my viewsonic today and hooked up. Wow this thing is pretty amazing. I will have pictures and a better review a little later. Woohoo.

[Soulburner]

As far as i'm concerned it depends what you want this monitor for. It sounds like if you want it for widescreen gaming then go for it, you aren't going to use most of the other "modes" or inputs/outputs on this thing anyway. If you want it for movie viewing, you may as well look elsewhere because this thing, as Dell said, "is designed for PC use". I wouldn't buy a PC monitor for that anyway.

Am I wrong?

[Something Sexy]

Finally retiring the Beast...the Gateway 21" CRT.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/cvetant/Picture044.jpg

Just replaced it with this:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/cvetant/Picture040.jpg

The Vx2025WM is a pretty sexy monitor. I haven't had a chance to play to many games with it yet except Civ 4 which supports the 1680 by 1050 nicely. I got no dead pixels and everything seems to be working greatly. There is a little black light bleeding in the corners on pure black backgrounds, but nothing too annoying. Only thing I don't like so far is the non adjustable stand, you can tilt it but can't height adjust.

[phelan1777]

Love the Desktop,
What model is that Viewsonic?

[Something Sexy]

heh heh thanks. Its a Vx2025WM

[ShoNuff]

Nice!!! The monitor is cool too! :D

Congrats...

[ferds]

nice Viewsonic monitor have there..

i will be getting VA1912WB soon. i hope its a nice monitor

[alpha0ne]

After reseaching for over a month I bought a VX2025wm a couple of months ago I have never looked back

I "upgraded" from a Mitsubishi 19" 93sb so the actual picture clarity is not as good with the LCD but the size is just right and colours are more vibrant :banana:

[phelan1777]

and its only 300 at NE! hmmm I think I know what I want for Xmas.

[Something Sexy]

The price definitely turned me onto the monitor as well as its specs. Its holding up against the best I think. Use some dells at work, not the newer models but some 05F and they just aren't as bright as the viewsonic. It can almost light up my room.

[billdavis]

i just got the dell 2407 from +5 year warranty

I dig it

no issues for me that i notice

[pchangover]

Okay.. I just ordered my 2407 from Dell.. even though it went up in price since yesterday :(

I should have it by the end of next week and I will let you know how it is.

[[XC] moddolicous]

So, after reading the first page, I got the feeling that this os probably the best gaming monitor under $300:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116355
Is that a good assumption?

[Moonraker™]

I've decided on mine linky (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_This_Week_Only_25.html#aMO_2d009_ 2dNE)

[Something Sexy]

Nice choice, that NEC is a solid monitor.

[bullet2urbrain]

i've replaced my VX724 with a VX2025, it will be getting a full review similar to my VX724 once i get a system built with DVI (aka waiting for intel to ship the chip)

Oh yeah, i hooked up the 2025 to sVGA on a PIII 800mhz Dell, and it is amazing, however i have no gaming performance or DVD playback to make a halfway informative review

[Something Sexy]

I just got a Dell 2007FW at work today. So far so good, I am fairly impressed with it. Although the only thing I do here is programming but I am not having any text blurring problems or any noticable banding issues. I might have to pick one of these up for my second monitor in the future if they get cheaper.

[pchangover]

Okay, I just got back from vacation and started my college build.. including this SWEET 2407FPW. This thing is amazing and is gigantic! WHOO WHOO! :woot:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3084/collegebuild003pc0.jpg

Sorry about the blurry image.. free camera lol

[Ray Sheppard]

I recently contacted NEC over the way they ship their 2170NX monitors with DVI-D leads (just bought one), when ATI and Nvidia cards I have all use DVI-I sockets. I thought I would get the spec on the latest Dell 24" (2407WFP)and they have started using DVI-D leads now. See the spec PDF http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=59234

The NEC LCD 21.3" 2170NX has DVI-D male connectors either end of the cable. It's not possible to buy a cable or gender change adapter, with DVI-D on the one end (to connect to the monitor) and DVI-I (to connect to the graphics card) on the other end.

The link NEC gave me to try for a gender changer had none and one of the main supplier of connectors and leads for monitors didn't either so if anybody could advise me where to purchase either a DVI-D to DVI-I cable or gender changer, I would be obliged.

Link to my post on the problem showing connectors-
http://www.visualflight.co.uk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5914

A couple of the many suppliers I have tried (UK) -
http://www.tech-plus.co.uk/system/index.html
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/home/homepage.jsp

Ray
PS - My apologies - I forgot to mention what an informative, well written and useful guide this thread is. The 21.3" NEC monitor I recently purchased is excellent (changed from a 22" CRT) and the first LCD I have tried for any length of time. I connected using the VGA cable owing to the incompatible DVI-D cable supplied and post a screenie of the problem with DVI.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6386/connectorproblemof6.jpg
http://imageshack.us/img/iss2.png

[Something Sexy]

Congrats on the new monitor hangover, looks amazing. Although not a monitor, I also just bought a 46" Samsung DLP TV, the new HL-S model. Suppose to be here in an hour. Woot.

[Ray Sheppard]

It turned out to be my fault. This time I tried, I applied much more pressure when connecting the monitor cable DVI plug to the graphics card DVI socket and it did eventually plug in. I was just not applying enough pressure. The confusion arose by the amount of holes on the graphics card DVI socket, (24 holes) compared to the pins on the DVI-D cable plug (18) but all is well now.

Ray

[jxs1984]

i just ordered 2007fp for $250... the guy tells me he is a pro quake player and he recommends this lcd to me. he will be shipping it out on tuesday. can be returned and i can get my refund.

are they good for games and movies? whats your opinion on this lcd?

[jxs1984]

i just ordered 2007fp for $250... the guy tells me he is a pro quake player and he recommends this lcd to me. he will be shipping it out on tuesday. can be returned and i can get my refund.

are they good for games and movies? whats your opinion on this lcd?

[KoHaN69]

I found my lcd:
http://akihabaranews.com/en/news-12266-Samsung+Electronics+Develops+First+70-inch+LCD+TV+Panel.html

http://images.akihabaranews.com/news_pics/12266/70%20inch%20LCD_03.jpg

:toast:

[zerotol]

Hi guys , i have an samsung 214t..It's a great screen but it has huge input lag :mad: Anyone else have this screen ? :stick:

[stevecs]

I found my lcd:
http://akihabaranews.com/en/news-12266-Samsung+Electronics+Develops+First+70-inch+LCD+TV+Panel.html

http://images.akihabaranews.com/news_pics/12266/70%20inch%20LCD_03.jpg

:toast:

I've been stalking the hdtv's for a long while for a computer monitor but it seems that none of them are really good at it. Even this one (or the 82" in ?march? of next year) both only have VGA inputs that allow 1:1 pixel mapping, otherwise you have overscan issues if you want to use digital inputs (which is just :slapass: stupid.). Then the monitor you list above is only 1.07billion colours which shows a step back in quality than other current models (most are 12.8billion or 549billion) which, granted is internal processing but that means that the above is what 9bit/channel? not even 10?

I'm hoping that the 40" LED Backlit LCD pannel coming out next month in europe will be better (should be about 107% NTSC colour gamut) but I have zero faith that it will actually allow digital input. (what is so bloody hard to get a dvi connector on these things, or just allow the hdmi connector to be used for computers?)

[KoHaN69]

I've been stalking the hdtv's for a long while for a computer monitor but it seems that none of them are really good at it. Even this one (or the 82" in ?march? of next year) both only have VGA inputs that allow 1:1 pixel mapping, otherwise you have overscan issues if you want to use digital inputs (which is just :slapass: stupid.). Then the monitor you list above is only 1.07billion colours which shows a step back in quality than other current models (most are 12.8billion or 549billion) which, granted is internal processing but that means that the above is what 9bit/channel? not even 10?

I'm hoping that the 40" LED Backlit LCD pannel coming out next month in europe will be better (should be about 107% NTSC colour gamut) but I have zero faith that it will actually allow digital input. (what is so bloody hard to get a dvi connector on these things, or just allow the hdmi connector to be used for computers?)

In America, size is all that matters (to %94.89 at least), so companies try to their hardest to make it bigger (in screen size) and smaller ("slimmer" units).

I'm happy with my 2405FPW. It kicks ass. Period.

PS:
omghz0rzz!!!!!!!!!1111

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/08/28/radius_320_moni.html

[phelan1777]

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/08/28/radius_320_moni.html
all I have to say is FLIGHT SIMS!

[古強者死神]

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/08/28/radius_320_moni.html

wow I like that! It should work perfectly with the Matrox Tripple Head2Go, alas my video card would suffer tying to game with that, would want high end sli/cf.

[Tyrou]

what do you guys suggest : 2*20" (Dell 2007WFP), or one 24" (Dell 2407WFP)

I don't really play games, nor coding or so, just the regular stuff, movies, 3DMark :D, MSN, Firefox...

thanks !

[KoHaN69]

what do you guys suggest : 2*20" (Dell 2007WFP), or one 24" (Dell 2407WFP)

I don't really play games, nor coding or so, just the regular stuff, movies, 3DMark :D, MSN, Firefox...

thanks !

dual monitor setup really sucks. Especially if you want to watch movies/
I'd go with 2405, but make sure you're not A01 for 2407 :)

[stevecs]

In America, size is all that matters (to %94.89 at least), so companies try to their hardest to make it bigger (in screen size) and smaller ("slimmer" units).

I'm happy with my 2405FPW. It kicks ass. Period.

PS:
omghz0rzz!!!!!!!!!1111

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/08/28/radius_320_moni.html

Yeah, we have a fixation on size. In my case I'm looking for a large HDTV just so it fits the space (my viewing room has 14.5 feet between viewer and what would be the front of the screen. Unfortunately, I have side windows so front-projection just won't cut it. So ~80" is about where I need to be to fit that space.

However size is secondary to quality (no sense in getting a set that displays crappy images, whatever the size of the set they'll all look like crap).

Which is one reason why I'm really looking for a good large computer monitor as well (photo editing et al) but seems all the companies are just dragging their feet. Had high hopes 2 years ago when they first showed off the LED LCD displays but they have yet to hit the market period let alone anything that has good resolution (>1920x1200, when dealing w/ 5400x4000 dpi images resolution really helps). I'm hoping that the samsung 305t will be out shortly and offer colour correction at least opposed to the dell/apple crap monitors.

[Moonraker™]

This came today for me :)

http://www.marcrigby.co.uk/Crockett/014.jpg

Nice shot of old and new:

http://www.marcrigby.co.uk/Crockett/015.jpg

[bugeyes]

New BenQ FP241W... expensive, but seems very promising.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3425


http://www.users.on.net/~bugeyes/index.htm/Photographs/Tests/fp241w-left2%20copy.jpg

creen Size 61cm (24") Widescreen
Resolution 1920 x 1200 (WUXGA)
Pixel Pitch 0.270 mm
Brightness 500cd/㎡
Contrast Ratio 1000:1
Response Time 6ms (GTG)
Display Area 518.4 x 324.0 mm
Display Colours 16.7 million
Viewing Angle 178/178 (CR>=10)
Input Signals D-Sub / DVI-D / S-Video / Composite / Component / HDMI
Horizontal Frequency 30 - 81 KHz
Vertical Frequency 50 - 76 Hz
Video Bandwidth 165 MHz
Colour Temperature Settings Reddish / sRGB / Bluish + User mode
Power Consumption <95W (w/o USB)
Power Supply 90 - 264 AC
Features Senseyeâ„¢ Technology
USB x 3
i-Key Auto Adjustment
Kensington Security Lock
VESA Wall Mounting 100x100mm
Adjustments Tilt (forward/backward)-5 / +20 degrees
Pivot adjustment
Height adjustment 130mm
Swivel (left/right) -45 / +45 degrees
Dimensions 567 x 248 x 474.2 mm
Weight 10.6 kg
Colour Black
Accessories VGA & DVI cables
Pivot S/W
Regulation Compliance TCO03

[marius7]

What do you think guys about the new model from Samsung 971P ?

"Priced at just $379.99, the 19-inch Samsung SyncMaster 971P offers 1280 x 1024 resolution, 1500:1 contrast ratio, 6ms response time, and a 178-degree viewing angle. It will come in black or white colors and features a nifty S-shaped stand"

What would you buy between Viewsonic VP930 and this one ?

[Bladesinger7x]

I'm considering to get the Philips 190P7ES Brilliance LCD (http://www.prad.de/en/guide/ergebniss_vergleich.html?pradid=6bca358ffc075080a3 5aa14d5b04a81e&8%5B%5D=0&10%5B%5D=0&12%5B%5D=0&13%5B%5D=0&14%5B%5D=0&15%5B%5D=0&16%5B%5D=0&17%5B%5D=0&18%5B%5D=0&19%5B%5D=3079&19%5B%5D=3080&19%5B%5D=1269&19%5B%5D=3141&20%5B%5D=0&21%5B%5D=0&22%5B%5D=0&23%5B%5D=0&24%5B%5D=0&26%5B%5D=0&27%5B%5D=0&29%5B%5D=0&30%5B%5D=0&32%5B%5D=0&37%5B%5D=0&39%5B%5D=0&40%5B%5D=0&42%5B%5D=0&45%5B%5D=0&46%5B%5D=0&47%5B%5D=0&50%5B%5D=0&55%5B%5D=0&order_by=price&order_order=asc&Submit=Compare)

Would this LCD be good for gaming or should I opt for another
(posibbly Samsung 971P)? I searched the web but almost no
info or reviews are available:mad:

[Moonraker™]

The 20WGX² is ace.

But it does get a little hot tbh. Unless all LCD's do these days. My old one didn't at all.

not the best for DVD's, but gaming is gorgeous.

[BlackX]

New BenQ FP241W... expensive, but seems very promising.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3425


10/10 thats impressive. and the price is normal.

[amd4me]

Some Sony monitor reviews would be welcome.
Yeah and that guide is WAY out of date.