Help! No boot after wc installed.

[SamHughe]

Greetings,
I have no boot after wc installed. This was maybe my fifth re-installing of the wc system. Everything seems ok until I try to boot the system. No leaks, no shorts, nothing. I'm sure I followed the installation steps correctly. But the damn PC just wont boot. The pump, and the case fans looks like working fine but I got no video at all. No access to bios.

Any suggestions?

Here's the wc system specs:
Swiftech MCW6000-P Water block
MCP350 pump
Black ice radiator
Danger den maze 4 GPU block

[Waffles]

Greetings,
I have no boot after wc installed. This was maybe my fifth re-installing of the wc system. Everything seems ok until I try to boot the system. No leaks, no shorts, nothing. I'm sure I followed the installation steps correctly. But the damn PC just wont boot. The pump, and the case fans looks like working fine but I got no video at all. No access to bios.

Any suggestions?

Here's the wc system specs:
Swiftech MCW6000-P Water block
MCP350 pump
Black ice radiator
Danger den maze 4 GPU block
make sure you plugged everything in and in correctly. perhaps your vid card isnt pushed in all the way? u coulda crushed the core on the cpu by overtightening the waterblock too perhaps? :confused:

[Psyche911]

Any error beeps?

[cartmanea]

Take your waterblock off and put a standard heatsink on and see if it boots then.

[SamHughe]

I found the problem. It's the video card (thanks to and Psyche911's suggestion, the mobo's integrated video chip). I tried the vid card on another system (after putting the heatsink back) it works perfectly. But here's the problem: it won't work in my system even if I put everything back into their original state. That's really weird! (I'm sure I disabled the onboard vid card before I put the video card back). It's eVGA ultra agp.
Any suggestions?

[k00lance]

Try see if the vga card is fully inserted.

[SamHughe]

Try see if the vga card is fully inserted.

Tried several times, no use.

:(

[Disposibleteen]

get a cheapo pci video card and try to run diagnostics on your good one that way?

[heater918]

any water leak in agp slot.

[SamHughe]

any water leak in agp slot.

Nope. No leak whatsoever. The cpu runs fine at stock around 30C idle 38C load. Right now I'm using 8mb ATI rage onboard card which is really really sad
:(

I took the card off and put it back again, tried to loosen the screws a bit. No luck.
I'm out of options guys! I really hate dissasembling wc system one more time!

[masterofpuppets]

Maybe a broken pin in your AGP slot?

[freak22]

just curious and it may or may not do anything for you but did you flash the bios. maybe something in there is messing with your video card.



peace

[heater918]

Same as above, if you didn't, re-flash & adjust settings.

edit noticed your new mobo when did uchange.

[IYP]

yeah try a bios flash or try another card in that slot to see whats hapening

[SamHughe]

Himm...bios flash. Ok. I'll try resetting bios first then, if doesn't work, flashing it. Let's see what's going to happen.

[SamHughe]

Nope, it didn't work. First I cleared the cmos then I flashed the bios. I still have no video from the card. God i hate this! Now I have to disassemble watercooling and put everything back so I can use my video card again.

[Psyche911]

To clarify; If the original heatsink is on, it works in the other PC but still doesn't work in your new one?

[SamHughe]

I put the heatsink back. Here's the weird part. It works in another system but won't work in mine. As if the AGP slot got locked up or something. This is the second mobo and the same thing is happening again. What the hell!

I don't know what i'm doing wrong here. I've been unsuccessfuly trying to install this damn watercooling kit for more than two months now. First I tried to put watercooling system on my system with an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe. Same thing happened (No video everything else was working fine), I uninstalled the wc put everything back in air, still no video. So, thinking I must have screwed it, I RMA'ed the mobo. They sent me back saying there is nothing wrong with it. So I put everything back (still in air) it worked fine as if nothing happened. I wanted to try my luck one more time. Very carefully, I installed the wc system once more. And boom! Same thing, no video everything else works. When I put my video card into other systems, it works fine but when I tried other video cards in my system it won't work.
Very frustrated I decided to change the mobo, thinking this must be the problem. So I switched to SuperMicro. Beautiful mobo! Very happy with it. I used it with everything on air for a while, no problems. Then I wanted to try water cooling one more time and yes, you guessed it, same thing happened again. No video, everything else works just fine. This time because the mobo has an onboard video card I was able to tell that the problem is definitely the agp slot.

I was extremely careful when I was installing the watercooling. All the connectors, wires, peripherals were checked several times before I fired up the system. I know I didn’t do anything wrong. But I guess I am missing a very essential step here or something. Other than that my only explanation is I got a cursed waterblock or the gods of watercooling don’t want another follower for the time being.

HELLP MEEEEEEE!!!

[One_Hertz]

Explain step by step how you installed the loop... Thats the only way i see to clear some light on this. :confused:

[SamHughe]

Explain step by step how you installed the loop... Thats the only way i see to clear some light on this. :confused:

Ok.
First I unplugged everthing. Put my antistatic wrist band, ground myself, put on my latex gloves (yes I know it's an overkill). Then I measured and cut the tubing, hooked up the cpu block, reservoir, gpu block radiator, pump. Leak tested. Drained the system. Put everthing into the case.

Installing cpu block was a breeze. I have 478 socket so all I did was putting some AS5 on cpu and install the waterblock by using the brackets.

Then I took the agp card put on an antistatic bag.

Carefully remove the fan connector, then unscrewed the cover. I can see the copper hs now.

Unscrewed 4 screws holding the hs and took it apart.

Cleaned the core with AS material remover and put some AS5 on.

Then I installed the gpu waterblock exactly how it shows HERE (http://www.dangerden.com/Instructions/maze4gpu.htm) .

Put the card back in, checked if it sits in the agp slot appropriately.

Bypassed the mobo, tested the system one last time for leaks. Made sure the pump works.

Plugged mobo connections, then everything else.

Checked if the video card power connectors are connected all the other connectors were ok.

Fingers crossed, fired up the system only to see a black screen.

Stand by for the pictures.

[cartmanea]

Have you tried another agp card? Could be a dead agp socket... :(

[Holst]

Have you tried using the graphics card watercooled with the GPU heatsink's fan plugged into the header?
Maybe it wont work unless it can sense a fan?

[freak22]

Have you tried using the graphics card watercooled with the GPU heatsink's fan plugged into the header?
Maybe it wont work unless it can sense a fan?

do you even get a BIOS screen?

do you have jumper 33 set as disabled or enables. this is for onboard VGA. page 42 in the manual.

also could be a memory issue.
page 47
No Video
1. If the power is on but you have no video, remove all the add-on cards
and cables.
2. Use the speaker to determine if any beep codes exist. Refer to
Appendix A for details on beep codes.
3. There is no vedio display if the process of ECC Memory initialialization
is not completed. (Refer to the note on Page 3-2).

also in the BIOS under advanced do you have the ECC config set to ECC?

do you get any BIOS beeps. 1 long and 2 short beeps means VGA errors.

sorry if you have already tried any of these things. i just flipped through the manual and found those things could cause it.

Peace

[Reinvented]

I'm surprised you guys didn't even check the power supply. Power supply plays a vital role in this too...and was clearly overlooked. Just because video doesn't work, doesn't necessarily mean theres a problem with the board, or the AGP slot, or even the video card itself. How about you list your power supply too? It sounds as if the video card isn't receiving any power...

[SamHughe]

I'm surprised you guys didn't even check the power supply. Power supply plays a vital role in this too...and was clearly overlooked. Just because video doesn't work, doesn't necessarily mean theres a problem with the board, or the AGP slot, or even the video card itself. How about you list your power supply too? It sounds as if the video card isn't receiving any power...

Eventhough I forgot to mention here, powersupply was one of my primary suspects in this case. I have a coolmax 480W fanless PSU. I run 1 video card, 1 PCI soundcard, 2 cd/dvd drives, two HD's. The pump i used is Swiftech MCP350 12 Volt and shouldn't be an extra load to the system. I used to have 420W PSU and had no problem running my setup before. I upgraded to this more powefull PSU because, well...it is silent. 480W should be more then enough for this rig but, I am not sure of anything anymore.

[cartmanea]

Have you ever had the system work with that PSU? I assumed you had already eliminated that possibility, I thought it was all the same hardware before going to watercooling and was working.

[SamHughe]

Have you tried using the graphics card watercooled with the GPU heatsink's fan plugged into the header?
Maybe it wont work unless it can sense a fan?

Tried this, no luck :(

[SamHughe]

Have you ever had the system work with that PSU? I assumed you had already eliminated that possibility, I thought it was all the same hardware before going to watercooling and was working.

I have been using the latest system on my sig for about 3 months now (air cooled). No problems at all. Before that I had the same components but the mainboard (it was asus p4C800) again no problems untill I tried watercooling.

[SamHughe]

do you even get a BIOS screen?

do you have jumper 33 set as disabled or enables. this is for onboard VGA. page 42 in the manual.

also could be a memory issue.
page 47
No Video
1. If the power is on but you have no video, remove all the add-on cards
and cables.
2. Use the speaker to determine if any beep codes exist. Refer to
Appendix A for details on beep codes.
3. There is no vedio display if the process of ECC Memory initialialization
is not completed. (Refer to the note on Page 3-2).

also in the BIOS under advanced do you have the ECC config set to ECC?

do you get any BIOS beeps. 1 long and 2 short beeps means VGA errors.

sorry if you have already tried any of these things. i just flipped through the manual and found those things could cause it.

Peace

I don't get a bios screen if I use agp card for primary display. It's just a blank screen and 1 long two short beeps indicating VGA error. If I switch to the onboard card, no problem system boots, windows loads, cpu runs 30C idle 37C at load. I can't get the card work even if I put the air cooling back and unplug the pump.

Yes I disable the onboard video from the jumper everytime I wanted to test the AGP card.

I don't use ECC memory, the bios set to non-ecc. Besides I had the exact same problem when I had asus mobo which doesn't support ecc modules.

Thanks to everyone who's trying to help. :)

[freak22]

well maybe contact the company of the Mobo and Video card and see if they have ideas? this one is weird!!!

[SamHughe]

More puzzling discoveries!
I took the agp card off. Booted Windows with onboard card. Removed the drivers then cleaned everything with Detonator Destroyer. Turned off the PC. Put the agp card back. Restarted and suddenly Windows found an "ethernet card"...named GeForce 6800 Ultra. Yep...you heard me right! Windows thinks my video card is an ethernet controller. I double checked with Sandra. It shows sees 6800U on AGP port but again as an ethernet controller. Now if that's not weird I don't know what is.

[Psyche911]

Can you do a format? I try to do it every 6-12 months. Just back everything up on my secondary HD and quick format, then reinstall Windows.

Very snappy afterwards and that would clear up any problems like this if they're software related for sure.