Opinions on the AMD vs Intel dual core platform

[Ugly n Grey]

OK,

Ol Ulgy has decided to have a bit o' fun. I am going to buy some new hardware and run a review here on one of the threads.....

It's going to be a classic AMD vs Intel battle with a twist...user input. That's right, ever read a review and go "yeah but if you do THIS what happens" or "if you try THAT what happens". Great - this time, it's going to be a two week review with the questions getting answered on the fly (with limits to actual hardware spend).

I will buy a new pair of PC's consisting of one Intel set and one AMD set. My initial thought is to pit a PENTIUM D 820 2.8GHZ against an AMD x2 3800. We'll be looking for bang for the buck answers as well as raw performance numbers...Those are the cheapest dual cores I can buy and there's a lot of interest in these chips around the board here.

Some parameters I am firm on; they will both get the same cheesy video card as this will not be a video card test (x700pro , 6600gt at best). Both systems will be PCI-E. Both will have a gig of RAM. Both will have a single HD (same one). Both will get an XP-90 as most of the peeps on this board actually do use air cooling. The room is stable at 25c ambient at all times no matter the outside temp. Both will use the same PSU. Both will get a dual boot WIN2K/XP fro benchies. I will OC each system as far as it will go in week number two and run the basics again. If a piece of hardware dies, I will replace it with the same thing ASAP.

So I open the floor, the contenders are chosen, everything else is open to debate, what power supplies, what RAM (200 MAX per set and must be available to Canada), what motherboards and what initial tests do you want? What fans for the XP-90's?

If you decide to answer, you have to answer for both sides in this format...

MOBO Intel:
MOBO AMD:
RAM Intel:
RAM AMD:
VID:
CPU FAN:
Initial tests:

WHY (explain it to us)

Your comments, ideas and suggestions are welcome. This is going to be run from MY pocket on your ideas with no sponsors, no nonsense all the pics and screenies and benchies you want. I will ask an unamed MOD to pick a random user out of this thread and I will paypal or snail mail that user 25 bucks US for just for participating.

This is not a pro review, this is just to have fun and push a couple bargain basement chips as far as we can in the best humour of XS....If this goes over well I'm not against future mainstream battles of other procs whatsoever. It's your review guys, I'm just the hands on the bench, help me write it. You've got four days to respond to the thread and then i'm ordering.

And before I get the water and phase guys on me... you guys already bench the best to hell and gone, this is just for fun on what most people are buying....I hope we get a few laughs out of this as well. Besides, I need an excuse to drink beer. :toast:

Ugly

[total_assault]

mobo intel: something with 955 chipset seems to be most stable
mobo amd: something nforce4
maybe try to get both motherboards by a manufactor that makes both such as asus.
Ram: ram should be equal same exact sticks in each
video: Should be a single card since the nforce4 chipset has too many probelms with the intel therefore it can't be used. Should be something like a 6600gt or 6800gt
CPU fan: Should be a tornado with a controller that way we can test low-med-high settings

you should run the regulars, PcMark, the 3Dmarks, SuperPi etc.

-Thanks Paul

[I_G]

Ram: ram should be equal same exact sticks in each

The 955 chipset only uses DDR2, I believe, while the socket 939's aren't due for that enhancement until 2006. I'm not current on the nVidia or Ati chipsets for Intel, so I can't comment on their RAM requirements.

[rsGTS]

I would say something along these lines for the Intel MB, I would say go nForce4 on the Intel as well, but from what I have read they are really unstable right now so the 955 would probably be better.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127209
For the AMD MB how about -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127212
Both Abit boards and both are really nice as far as stability and overclocking from what I have read, the price difference for the MB's will make the cost difference alot smaller, since the AMD mb is cheaper by 100 bucks.
As far as RAM goes I figured same manufacturer and same price range sounds fair right?
Intel:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227029
AMD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227206
10 dollars difference seems about right.
I would go with an ATI card to test stability across multiple chipsets, NF4 and Intel 955, seems like it might be biased to run a Nvidia card with a Nvidia board (I know that generally speaking, neither brand of card has preferences as far as stability and performance, but I have seen it happen)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814123146
I think it is fair to use an Abit card for both as both MB's are made by Abit as well, so this might be a little too ideal for some guys opinions, but we might see problems as well, and that would be interesting, no? ;)

Last of all here is the fan:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999613
I do think that a fan controller would be useful as well, to test it at different speeds. If you don't have one already, I am sure you have a personal preference on one. :)

I like the idea, and I am sure I speak for several of us here at Xtremesystems in thanking you for wanting to put this together. We have both systems at almost identical price levels with these parts, and I think it will be interesting to watch.

Later

[Ugly n Grey]

The 955 chipset only uses DDR2, I believe, while the socket 939's aren't due for that enhancement until 2006. I'm not current on the nVidia or Ati chipsets for Intel, so I can't comment on their RAM requirements.

The key word missing there is "brand" sorry about that, I do know the diff between DDR/2, top post edited.

[Sz1hart]

Seems great that your doing this out of your own pocket...

First, since your getting the 3800+ should you get the 830 since they pretty much are the same, but then again bang for the buck would have to be the 820

IMO this is what I would like to see...
Intel mobo:Asus P5WD2 Premium
AMD mobo: DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
GPU: doesn't matter...maybe something along the lines of 6600GT and 6800GT
DDR:2 of these...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146546
DDR2:2 of these...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820161403
Fan:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835109118
XP-120 or 90

For the rams I believe that you should get the same "brand" whatever it may be

Since this is out of your own pocket then you shouldn't go over board just for us :)

I would like to say thanks for doing this because it well give me/others a better idea on what to get.

EDIT:Well you be using a Phase unit later? If so then could you try out chillys new unit, unless you already have a few laying around...

[Ugly n Grey]

I was thinking that when the review was over, a quick run on dice would be in order ...just in case we missed something :) . Seriously once the review is over, I'm not against blowing them up.... :explode2:

[Ugly n Grey]

I guess this really isn't what folks want, relatively little interest. Maybe I should spend the money on dinner :D

[Shemp Howard]

I'd love to see this head-to-head competiton. However I don't know nearly enough to suggest components to use.
This could actually be an informative "Intel vs AMD" thread.

[sluflyer06]

MOBO Intel: P5WD2
MOBO AMD: DFI NF4 Ultra D
RAM Intel: PQI PC2-4200 CAS3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141200
RAM AMD: Geil Value Select Cas 2.5 PC-3200 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144310
VID: 6600GT? or equiv. ATI
CPU FAN: Panaflo Extreme High Speed/ Tornado?
Initial tests: 3dmark03, 3dmark05, pcmark04, pcmark05, full Sandra suite, AQ3, SuperPI 1M and 32M, Prime95 bench test...etc.

These choices keep the costs down adn represent what the general enthusiast has available in the bank....its not the greatest and I picked the ram sets because they cost teh same which makes it a fair contest, along with the fact that their latencies are pretty decent...if wanted for about 10-15 more dollars a 2.5-3-3-7 can be had instead of 2.5-4-4-8.

[eshbach]

i would say you have to use the 830 as well... the 3800 is a lot more expensive than the 820...

if i were to pit a 3700+ against a 1.4ghz dothan for a "dothan vs. san diego" review it wouldn't really be fair, even though they are both the cheapest of their kind.

anyway,

MOBO Intel: ASUS P5WD2
MOBO AMD: DFI NF4
RAM Intel: Corsair 5400UL
RAM AMD: Redline 4000
VID: X800XL/6800GT or higher
CPU FAN: anything thermalright
Initial tests: cinebench and pcmark

[Ugly n Grey]

i would say you have to use the 830 as well... the 3800 is a lot more expensive than the 820...

if i were to pit a 3700+ against a 1.4ghz dothan for a "dothan vs. san diego" review it wouldn't really be fair, even though they are both the cheapest of their kind.

I'm open to that, anyone else?

[Order]

I agree that Dothan vs San Diego is apples/oranges. Use an 830.

[Sz1hart]

Shouldn't you go with the same brand of memory so that it could be more "fair" then 2 different ones...just my opinion

Also, since ddr and ddr2 are so different you can't really compare the two. DDR tops are 3200 though its gone higher. It just doesn't seem fair to compare 4200 to 3200 when it should be something elses. We should at less look at 5300 or higher...for ddr2

If you haven't pick the psu yet then I would like to see the 510 from pcp&c. I notice that you have a "limit" amount to spend so do whatever you want, I just wanted to give out some ideas.

Just my opinion...

[Order]

I think the top performing of the base speeds of DDR/DDR2 would be more or less fair and would allow transparant measuring of the CPUs as intended. Stock speeds with the lowest stock latencies would be the way to go, in my opinion.

[Ugly n Grey]

Shouldn't you go with the same brand of memory so that it could be more "fair" then 2 different ones...just my opinion

Also, since ddr and ddr2 are so different you can't really compare the two. DDR tops are 3200 though its gone higher. It just doesn't seem fair to compare 4200 to 3200 when it should be something elses. We should at less look at 5300 or higher...for ddr2

If you haven't pick the psu yet then I would like to see the 510 from pcp&c. I notice that you have a "limit" amount to spend so do whatever you want, I just wanted to give out some ideas.

Just my opinion...

I said earlier in the thread I would use the same brand, using the same type is not obviously possible.
Keep in mind yeah there's a budget, but the RAM will be set at suggested stock FSB of the CPU first, overclocked in the second week and if we want to see values comparing this speed of DDR1 to that speed of DDR2 we can do that within the limits of the eventual OC.....

Thanks for your feeback :)

[TL1000S]

Nice initiative "Ugly".. :)
I'm pretty much into the same thinking over here in Norway..
I have put together a Intel-rig based on 830D and will shortly after set up an AMD-rig with X2 3800...
I'm trying to do it as cheap as possible.. whcich ain't easy.. as the two "chips" will cost me quite a lot.. compared to the rest.. (and I've plenty other systems/projects running beside)...
For the Intel rig I've chosen a cheap Biostar board..i945P-A7 (http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/mainboard/board.php?name=I945P-A7), cheap Geil dual (DDR2-533) and X700Pro.. For the AMD-rig I will try a very cheap ("demo") nForce3 card Neo2 Platinum (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=607&kind=1).. Probably some Corsair TwinX-sticks. I have left over..from another A64-project.. and X700Pro/6600GT.. Time will tell..
Had/have to wait for availability for the CPU's... my 830D will be picked up tomorrow.. X2 3800+ I also must check my "wallet" (read:credit-limit)..
Will post result when I've done som testing... :cool:

Edit:
Added some more facts about hardware.. (looking forward to check if the Neo2-board really will accept the X2)..
The purpose is of course to see how two (relatively) cheap dual rigs from the main contenders perform for a (sort of) "normal" enthusiast... :banana:

[Ugly n Grey]

cool, keep us informed....
I mean I also have a 4200x2, some Opty 875's and what not for comparison but the point of this is sorta of a value dual core system and to have some fun watching Ugly's hands shake because he was up all night fiddling with benchies and BIOS'...

[InSanCen]

Heh... nice Idea. As I'm still a K7 user, I now diddly squat about A54/Intel...

Good luck, I'll be watching with mucho interest, using the information towards the next upgrade.

*Subscribed*

[turtle]

Ugly, your all-nighters are appeciated for "the cause". ;)

[Order]

Ship me some of this HW and I'll help you out with the benching :).

[[XC] leviathan18]

why xp90? TT big Typhoon is better IMO

you also should get the 6600gt from msi

test cinebench 3dmark 01 03 05 pcmark 04 05 super pi double run pi fast

[Ugly n Grey]

Why th xp-90? cause most peeps are using them, I use a TT myself, invented a new quick mounting method as well, like I said, up to you guys....

[Kabouter]

XP-90 is more widely used here than the TT, use it :P
(ofcourse I'm biased having an XP-90 and thus wanting to see the results of it more badly than those of a TT cooler :P)

[Craig]

I also use TT, but have used TR in the past as well so really don't matter.

I would suggest a sane noise level fan, I know I don't use a benchers fan for day to day & I don't think many others here do. Perhaps use what ever fan you wish but also on a reobus for low/high comparisons. Nice to see which will work better for a rig meant for day to day use & low/er noise.

I also agree with the idea of making use of the best ram for each system type. Mushkin Redline would be my choice for the AMD......I don't know Intel well enough to make a informed suggestion there. Would suggest use of whatever is best regardless of brands being the same for both rigs. We want to see the best for each, so I don't see how brand means much.

Like the idea of the 830 as well for same reasons.

As long as the vid cards are matched I'd say use whatever you wish. You're going to a good deal of expense here to help us all, this is one area you can shave a few dollars off I'd think.

I'd use OCZ PSU instead of PCP&C due to the cost differance & yet offers very good performance & adjustable pots.

Like one other poster said, I'm also a still on a XP-M so this will be pretty informative for me. Most of all as I've been delaying a upgrade till I can get a dual chip rig. While I've not built a Intel before I'm still interested very much in this comparison as I'll go with whatever offers me the best performance for the dollars spent. I'd really like to see what a dual core chip could do for my F@H numbers :D, most of all as I'll prolly keep this XP-M @ 2.55 going even after I get a new one built as a full time folder.

So please don't think there is a lack of interest, I expect there are a number, like me, who are not posting as they are defering to those who actually have some experiance on these set ups.

One thing I'll be looking close at is the temps both run at. I'm hope'n that the intel duallys have some improved temps over other intel chips of the recent past.

Look forward to this as I like input from other forum members much better than just going with review sites evals.

I see I"m way late on this, but I still hope you intend to go forward with this test.

[Lithan]

My opinion on how this should be done? Set a budget, and let proponents of either side recommend configs for their side.

Why?

Intel 820 costs a lot less than Amd 3800+x2, but P5wd2 premium (which most of the good clocks for 8XX's are on) costs twice what a lanparty D does, and the LL ddr2 that has been sold as necessary (and it's absence the reason for intel getting it's ass whooped in reviews) by some costs two to three times what UTT goes for.

[Ugly n Grey]

My opinion on how this should be done? Set a budget, and let proponents of either side recommend configs for their side.

I rather like that idea....Thanks for the input it totally changed how I might look at this...

[Sz1hart]

bump

hey ugly, have you order the parts yet or are you just going to give up on this?

[Ugly n Grey]

nope, the feedback has encouraged me to modify it. I think we'll split this into teams Intel and AMD with a budget and let them spend the same amount each anyway they choose...a race of sorts...two teams picking a build and me just being the hands..Let's see who can make the best dual core system for the alloted dollars...

Just my thought after the feedback we have gotten here, but I have not given up on this at all.. I just want it to be fun and have people involved..

[rsGTS]

I agree on the total price match way of going about it, I noticed the same thing about the MB for the Intel being twice as much as the board for the AMD. I do think the total price is the best way to go about this, then you can definitely compare the 2 better, DDR2 costs alot more for its killer stuff than DDR does. ;)

[IYP]

ill be on the AMD team...i already have all of the good stuff....dual GTXs....true SATA II hard drives....and an IDE channel dedicated to pagefile!....if someone wants to send me a working DFI SLI-DR ill be glad to get benching

[Ugly n Grey]

lol, sorry man I wish it was working for ya !!

[IYP]

and i can sell off the 4400+ if we get a 4800+ for the AMD team

[IYP]

lol, sorry man I wish it was working for ya !!

lol np you helped so much....wouldent have been 100% sure it was dead without ya

[agenda2005]

Ugly,
This is a good idea. I think you should give a budget cap and let each team choose which components that goes into the overall system excluding things that are common e.g power supply, CD/DVD rom, Case etc. Only Processor, MB and Memory will be different.
It's upto each team to choose which processor type, i.e 3800+ or 4200+/ 820D or 830D and lets see who get the bang for the buck.
Meanwhile power consumption is very essential. It add to the operating cost and therefore makes up an essential part of the economy (Bang for the buck)
Therefore, I will suggest that you compute the cost of power consumption per year that each system will consume assuming they are left running 24/7/365 like a server and include the result in computing your best bang for the buck.

[Ugly n Grey]

sounds viable and well thought out, thanks :toast:

The initial idea of doing a dollar to dollar compare was Lithans...

[IYP]

sounds good....like i said i have an SLI of 7800GTXs and a 4400+ ready to rock for team AMD....just need a known good DFI SLI-DR board

[IYP]

bump for the spirit of competition?

[Sz1hart]

So whats the total limit(amount)?

[Order]

I think $3000 USD for the entire system would be appropriate.

[Ugly n Grey]

I've had a well known retailer approach me about this, so let's see what they have to say....

[don_vercetti]

seriously?

wow, that's cool. When will the whole shebang start, because i'm building my new rig in the next few days, and i'm really tempted by DC. This would be nice to see.

[dogsx2]

I don't surf the hardware thread much but after being without xs for two + days I needed a big fix of it. This tread need more exposure.
This is a great thing your doing. I have really got the x2 bug after reading all the post on how smooth they are. Always amd but if you can show intel better who knows.
Thanks ugly

[Sz1hart]

So how about an update?

Whats the info about the retailer and a total buget for both systems would be nice to know :)

[Ugly n Grey]

It's still alive much like me..........

Even though I was offered some stuff, I did like what I was offered, it locked in some components and frankly I wasn't so sure I wanted that after all the thought that went into repsonses I don't want a retailer messing it up.

So I'm still in the same boat I was.....namely,

Pick a motherboard CPU and RAM for each system for a set figure from stuff I can buy here in Canada.....

I have OCZ PSU's, a couple PCI-E video cards, lots of HD's etc...
So it comes down to the same thing....motherboard, chip, RAM for Intel and for AMD....

Order suggested 3K US... that's a lot of bread for the budget end of these chips in my opinion ....and I still really want to see the 3800 against the 830.. however I have no idea... so the mythical question is what parts am I going to order if I have say 1K US for the three components for each side....I'll buy the other stuff, that stuff makes no difference and will be the same for each system. But I'm still not testing video cards here so as long as they are the same I could care less really....

Anyhow, you guys tell me...1K (is that enough?) for each side, what I am going to buy?

[agenda2005]

1K US dollar or Canadian Dollar?
Suggested AMD System
(1) A64 3800+ X2 $386 Shipped http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80721-1&affiliate=shopping
(2) DFI NF4-DAGF nForce4 $89 shipped http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=110248&AFFIL=pricewatch&NR=1
(3) Patriot 1GB (2 x 512MB) A good overclocker $151.5 + $3.85 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220033

Total = $630.35 All shipped

[Ugly n Grey]

For 1 K Canadian I can more than order a 3800,DFI and TCCD or VX RAM
but if it should be 1 K US, I don't care :)

I would prefer to order from a retailer with a Canadian presence..I hate broker fees for nothing...choice are

www.ncix.com
www.canadacomputers.com
www.tigerdirect.ca

[don_vercetti]

you might as well get reasonable TCCD ram (at a reasonably price, ofc) because you don't want it to be a limiting factor, in overclocking/normal. I know dividers and all, but with an x2 mem bandwidth is fairly important, (according to anandtech) so it might be worthwhile getting.

However it's expensive stuff, so i'd understand if you didn't.

[fst h2o]

I am new to this forum (and overclocking), but this sounds like a very interesting project. I will probably base some of my next rig off of these results. Good luck with the implementation!

[Ugly n Grey]

Well I have some OCZ plats that do run well and fast with great timings at 270 and looser timings at 325~ for sure....but what about Intel, what do I need to buy?

[Ugly n Grey]

How about this (all figures in Can Dollars)
Intel system
830 dual core 3.0Ghz CPU $412.00
OCZ PC-4200 (OCZ25331024EBDCPER2-K) $298.00
P5wd2 premium $263.99
Total 973.99

AMD system
AMD 3800+ x2 $449.00
DFI Ultra -D $175.00
OCZ 3700 Plat TCCD (OCZ4661024ELDCPE-K) 329.00
Total 953.00

I think the price points are close enough here

Common:
OCZ 520 powerstream
TT Big Typhoon or Zalman XP 90
ATI x700 pro or Nvidia 6600GT (I actually won't have to resell the ATI cards because I use them so I'm leaning that way)
a pair of SATA 1 HD's for each on the native RAID solutions

Keep in mind, I'm not testing video cards or hard drive solutions here, I just want to know what platform and chip combo makes the best starting platform. Everyone is going to add whatever video and hard drive solution they need anyhow. For example, I use SCSI only for my own box, but that doesn't make sense for this test.

They will run at stock for the first week so keep this in mind. The first week stock cooling will be used as well. The second week will see then fitted with the aftermarket coolers, fans for RAM and OC'd as far as we can take them.

After this is done and put to bed, I say we run em both on DICE and see if we can blow them to hell and gone. In that spirit, anyone selling DICE tubes? I need new (more modern) ones.

[IYP]

save yourself 800$ and ill run the AMD part...al i need is a DFI board tht works lol

[Ugly n Grey]

well it's going to be side by side, I have other x2 procs as well if need be...RMA going Ok for your board?

[aja]

oooo, this is way cool, i cant wait to see what the results are, so many variables, the chipset, ram, cpu's, mobo's, the best of both worlds of course, so it should be interesting!

are you going to run x64 xp or 32? sorry if i missed it somewhere

[Ugly n Grey]

Opinions on the selection of hardware? Fair or not?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1004901#post1004901

[[XC] leviathan18]

i thinks is FAIR both side have the best in an equal price range

looking forward to see the results after you play with it you can send to me the mobo cpu amd mem of the amd system :D

[IYP]

well it's going to be side by side, I have other x2 procs as well if need be...RMA going Ok for your board?

its going well....friday is the ETA....if it dosent come....or dosent work....small children will die

[.sentinel]

No we don't want that.

[Ugly n Grey]

No we don't want that.

No? Why?

[IYP]

No we don't want that.

are you saying that you would rather not see me have another dead board...or my rampage killing small children

[Sz1hart]

lol, this topic keeps dieing...

So have you choose the parts let? I believe its been over 2 weeks or is it 1?

[Ugly n Grey]

yeah it does keep dying, I'm going to stick to whats at the top I've ordered it already...

[dogsx2]

can't wait, hurry up. the dual core bug has bitten me bad. I think I know what the outcome is going to be BUT??

[sabrewolf732]

Yeah seriously. Sounds cool, good luck ugly :D

[Vortex]

I would like to know the outcome of this little comparison aswell since I haven't bothered to look into Intel's dual-core solutions (amd fanboy here lmao) anyway thanks for fronting the cash for this little comparison Ugly. I'd like to reccomend hardware but I know literally nothing about Intels so...i'd probably not be the person to ask :p: No, wait I do know something this little 2.8 here blows...horribly so

[Unoid]

As I'm sure others have stated, AMD is better pric eper performance and this time best performance for the top of line also. Even AMD owns Intel when it comes to intels own game of encoding.

[don_vercetti]

it's not just better price/performance, it's better performance!

The x2 4800+ owns anything from Intel. In most benches.

[dogsx2]

Have you started building yet??

[Sloppy]

Any news chief?

:horse:

[dogsx2]

I couldn"t wait anymore for your project so I bought a hp 23" Lcd. I was just wanting to buy something and when I read this in AnandTech I had someone besides myself I could blame.

AnandTech:
"Spending $1000 on a computer component is often hard to swallow. Although, if you're going to spend that much, in our opinion, a display is the only component that could justify the cost. Gaming at 1920x1200, watching native 1080p, or PIP a native 480p component signal with a Word document are just phenomenal reasons to use a widescreen display like the HP L2335. Try to do any of those things with your $1000 CPU and $50 17" CRT."



UnG, take your time while I save up some more money.

My wife hate computers, says I spend too much money on them.

[Ugly n Grey]

I've got most of the stuff. The RAM is back ordered and I am missing a video card... will start a new thread when all is in place! Thanks for the interest guys!!!

[[XC] leviathan18]

remember after you finish you can send me the amd setup i wont complain @ all

[Sz1hart]

then I guess I'll take the intel :)

Just keep us updated when you have everything

[dogsx2]

Still waiting, any progress????

[rsGTS]

How long for the RAM backorder to be taken care of? I am about to buy my MB and CPU, and I would love to see your results on this thing first, before I make my final purchase. :)
Thanks for putting up the cash for this. You get thanks from all of us that are interested in apples to apples on a dual core system, from a *reputable* source. ;)

[Ugly n Grey]

I was told the RAM was shipped on Monday but it hasn't showed up at my door yet. If I don;t have it by tomorrow I am going out to buy something on the weekend

[dogsx2]

Anticipation

[dogsx2]

Did the memory ever arrive?