View Full Version : LANPARTY UT nF3 ULTRA-D or MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
Xyus89
07-31-2005, 01:37 PM
Hi,
Soon I'm going to order an s939 setup, the most things I've got/chosen.
cpu: Amd +3000 venice (hopefully it will hit 3ghz)
ram: Corsair xms rev4.1 from old setup (hits up to 280 htt)
but the motherboard I'm not so sure yet.
I've had MSI and I was quite happy with it for one thing,
It reported like 10 degrees to much so.
and with the Neo2 it's the same issue or can someone prove me wrong?
but I putted my hardware in and it worked immediately.
but than there's the DFI, unfortunately I haven't got any experiences with this motherbord :confused:
If I put all my hardware in it, are the chances big that it will boot from the first time or do I have to flash it with modded Bios'es?
With MSI I can come back from school and be sure that I can just turn my pc on and don't have to deal with any problems (no boots, crashes), are the chances big that I will experience the same with DFI nf3 ultra-d because I really don't want to spend hours and hours after school getting it going.
Xyus
thx for any help, plz help me make up my head.
EvlUndrWareNome
07-31-2005, 01:42 PM
I personnaly would go with the DFI. As for making 3 ghz, you might want to look into some good cooling.
terror_adagio
07-31-2005, 01:42 PM
Definitely the DFI, better overclocker.
Make sure you use BIOS 711 or 705 though.
[B]attery
07-31-2005, 02:18 PM
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Xyus89
07-31-2005, 02:27 PM
so you guys didn't have any problems with 1T/2T timings or is that one of the early rev's or has the latest Bios solved that prob. (Absolute_0 has that problem)
c'mon guys keep on reply'ing.
@terror adagio: is it also very reliable? from monday-friday, I don't do oc'ing only music/msn and I would go mad if it would crash with that, so is it really crash free in windows?
Xyus
KaptainBlaZzed
07-31-2005, 02:41 PM
the board is full of problems but most of them can be fixed with a little time and effort.
almost everybody i have heard of is having a problem with T1 timings with the FSB ~230 or so.
i have one of them right now and love it, definately better than the NEO 2
and i HATE BIOS 7/05 and 7/11
i use 6/27 *everybody to there own*
Xyus89
07-31-2005, 03:11 PM
the board is full of problems but most of them can be fixed with a little time and effort.
almost everybody i have heard of is having a problem with T1 timings with the FSB ~230 or so.
i have one of them right now and love it, definately better than the NEO 2
and i HATE BIOS 7/05 and 7/11
i use 6/27 *everybody to there own*
hi,
- "full of problems" explain? what problems?
- How can you solve the T1 timings problem?
- with wich bios is the motherbord "bug" free (ESPECIALLY the 1T prob) & explain your dislike of 711 plz :)
xyus
KaptainBlaZzed
07-31-2005, 03:59 PM
it just takes time to work with.
When i say full of problems i am comparing it to the other computers i have built ~9 and this one took the most time and work to get going. usually i just plug everything in, turn it on, and load windows, but not with this combo it took many hours of trying and playing before i gave up on my RAID and then started to play with BIOS * which was a nightmare, i think i reset the CMOS 100 times that day*
DFI has SOOOO many settings and it took me about 3 hours before i could get it to recogonoze everything and install windows.
I am still not able to use SATA RAID but i think i have a problem with my board.
as far as i know there is no fix for the T1 timings but there are some nice comparisons that show that you only loose minor amounts of performance in T2
I am almost sure most fo the problems are BIOS related because this board was rushed off the production line and i am just waiting for a GOOD BIOS.
with BIOS 7/05 and 7/11 everytime is restart the computer the FSB get set to 269 *every damn time* and this is too low for me as i have it currently set at 311. The only BIOS that hold my settings are the origional and 6/27
*note the only settign that is not saved is the FSB*
Faceless Rebel
07-31-2005, 04:01 PM
Well, maybe if we're lucky the DFI NF3 doesn't kill RAM and videocards the way the DFI NF4 does.
The MSI Neo2 Platinum has been around a long time and generally is a safe choice. Probably the DFI NF3 will be a better clocker, but if it fries your components, suddenly it's not such a good choice...
KaptainBlaZzed have you mail DFI with that 269 prob. ?
i can run 1T at 300 mhz with my Gskill.
the board i have,has a boot prob when is oc. the cpu just dont get enough power before bios is loaded.so i have to oc from windows. when the board and cpu is warm it better.
so i have to power up an wait about 10 min and it boot.
KaptainBlaZzed
07-31-2005, 05:57 PM
KaptainBlaZzed have you mail DFI with that 269 prob. ?
i can run 1T at 300 mhz with my Gskill.
the board i have,has a boot prob when is oc. the cpu just dont get enough power before bios is loaded.so i have to oc from windows. when the board and cpu is warm it better.
so i have to power up an wait about 10 min and it boot.
I can OC from windows to with 7/05 and 7/11 with a nice increase in performance and Mhz
I can almost get 2.9 stable with 7/11 but i can't stand having to manually OC everytime i restart the comp.
It boots just fine everytime with 6/27 with the FSB set to 311
*note i am using H20 cooling not Phase so why would i need to wait for the CPU to warm up*
I really dont care what you guys are saying that the DFI is has potential or a simple bios fix will fix all the problems.....The thing is NF3 is not a new chipset at all. And DFI should have a demon when it this thing came out...But so far its a major Flop....This board reminds of the Old DFI boards back in the Socket A days.....
Now I will agree that this board will be awesome if they ever get the thing stable
but as far as it being better than the NEO2 is completely wrong....Ive taken the DFI out put in the closet put my Trusty NEO2 back in. And I will wait and see if DFI ever does anything about this boards stability and OCing...If not I will nail to my wall with all the other flops....
Xyus89
08-01-2005, 01:52 AM
I think I'm going to get the Neo2,
good experiences with msi and you put it together and it works from first time :)
xyus
Absolute_0
08-01-2005, 01:54 AM
DFI NF3 is serving me well at 2.95 Ghz
Neo2 platinum died in 2 weeks and it took me a week to get it RMAd. Maybe just a bad experience but i wouldn't order the board again.
Hard choice to be honest, but I'd still go DFI.
Hopefully newest bios will fix some of the problems DFI Lanparty UT nF3 Ultra-D is having
Giana
08-01-2005, 03:12 AM
Had the MSI Thing here before and now i am runnig on DFI.
If u dont look at the problems with DFI ( wich will certanly be fixed soon ) its the better choice vor OC.
Some Examples of the 1T / 2T thing.
I own several sticks of Ram !
2x512 A-Data 566 (Double Sided TCCD ) Wont even run DC @ 200 Mhz 2/2/2/5 1T Timings dosent effect this problem. Have to switch to 2T for getting both sticks working. SC every stick does ~290 Mhz @ 2.5/3/3/6 1T
2x256 Twinmos Winbond BH6 , they work @ ~260 Mhz 2/2/2/5 1T DC without Problems.
2x512 Twinmos Twister BH5. Crap Sticks wich dosnt OC good, but work fine @ 200 2/2/2/5 1T DC
Xyus89
08-01-2005, 03:22 AM
yeah but there are problems,
I think that's awfull! they could better have put more money in research!
(send a mail to the shop to ask for the batch code of the venice (hopefully week 17)
yeah I've got TCCD so.. but I don't want to take a risk so MSI all the way... and with the mod bios you can get a vcore of 1.9v. :)
xyus
Giana
08-01-2005, 03:29 AM
Nearly EVERY Mainboard has got problems when it is released. No manufactor can test the mainboards for such a long time so they get "errorfree"
Just cause the dont have "ALL" the hardware or combinations the endusers have got.
I dont really think DFI trys to get Winbond Mem Sticks working @ 260Mhz 2/2/2/5 1T/2T with 3.5 Volts ...
Well actually all they had to do was test with TCCD and BH5 and that would have taken care of the majority of people considering this board....I also understand that all boards have glitches here and there...But come on cant even run your memory at the spec speeds at default....Ive also even heard of some people having problems with 5x htt and have to drop it to 4x...thats just rediculous....Maybe my post will change if DFI comes out with some magical bios...So far though they have not done crap...
Quazi
08-01-2005, 06:44 AM
Been using the Neo2 for a long time now. I am kinda a noob when it comes to ocing. But I have had my FSB to 280MHz with a multiplier of 9 with a 3500+ Winchester. I didn't push it no further. Just learning here. And I have read in more than one review that the Neo2 has reached 300MHz. I have 0 experience with DFI, but have read alot of m8's having issues to resolve with it. It's definately not a board I would be interested in being relatively new to overclocking. But I would say the majority of you experience m8's, that know how to fix issues or problems associated oc'ing, wouldn't have a problem using the DFI mobos.
Btw, there is a new official bios release for the Neo2, 1.9. This might be old news to some here. My MSI Live Update picked it up last night. Not sure how it affects oc'ing the mobo yet. I will know in a bit.
Magnj
08-01-2005, 06:47 AM
Go With DFI for overclocking. Get an Antec Case.
Nettwerk
08-01-2005, 06:54 AM
The DFI is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to get working, it o/cs to 269 by itself (711bios) and wont post after you change something in the bios. You have to keep resetting it about 6 times then it will post lol. But once you get everything straight it finally saves everything in the bios and works great.. Its a wacky mobo when working with it and I would have ripped it out of the case and stomped on it if it was my main rig and didnt have a computer to play on, but its just something to fool around with for me so I just laugh at the crap it does and leave it sitting on the workbench until I get bored and decide to fiddle with it. I have had it working great with TCCD but now im trying to get my redline 4000 to work in it but 3.2v seems not to be enuff to run at 250.. It worked at 250 in my NF4 mobo at 3.2v but not on this mobo. I put a OCZ booster in at 3.4v and it works and then my psu died.
Nettwerk
08-01-2005, 06:56 AM
Been using the Neo2 for a long time now. I am kinda a noob when it comes to ocing. But I have had my FSB to 280MHz with a multiplier of 9 with a 3500+ Winchester. I didn't push it no further. Just learning here. And I have read in more than one review that the Neo2 has reached 300MHz. I have 0 experience with DFI, but have read alot of m8's having issues to resolve with it. It's definately not a board I would be interested in being relatively new to overclocking. But I would say the majority of you experience m8's, that know how to fix issues or problems associated oc'ing, wouldn't have a problem using the DFI mobos.
Btw, there is a new official bios release for the Neo2, 1.9. This might be old news to some here. My MSI Live Update picked it up last night. Not sure how it affects oc'ing the mobo yet. I will know in a bit.
1.9final is out and I use it. It seems ok so far and it supports x2's. (didnt gain o/c with it)
Xyus89
08-01-2005, 01:12 PM
with the 1.6b you got get 1.9 Vcore I think.
XxXyus
KaptainBlaZzed
08-01-2005, 02:21 PM
The DFI is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to get working, it o/cs to 269 by itself (711bios) and wont post after you change something in the bios. You have to keep resetting it about 6 times then it will post lol. But once you get everything straight it finally saves everything in the bios and works great.. Its a wacky mobo when working with it and I would have ripped it out of the case and stomped on it if it was my main rig and didnt have a computer to play on, but its just something to fool around with for me so I just laugh at the crap it does and leave it sitting on the workbench until I get bored and decide to fiddle with it. I have had it working great with TCCD but now im trying to get my redline 4000 to work in it but 3.2v seems not to be enuff to run at 250.. It worked at 250 in my NF4 mobo at 3.2v but not on this mobo. I put a OCZ booster in at 3.4v and it works and then my psu died.
That is what i am talking about. A great board but you want to break it when you first get it, but once you get it up and runnnig you will love it
Xyus89
08-01-2005, 02:45 PM
well maybe not all people are that prepared to buy so many parts for one board or to RMA, I'm not anyway.
Xyus
dssconsumer
08-01-2005, 08:14 PM
for me the DFI UD NF3 works great with the 705 bios. the memory is TCCD and the clock is 2931MHz 266.5X11 everithing auto with the memory @ 2.5 4 4 8-1T. performance is perfect for me for video and gameing.
Giana
08-01-2005, 10:13 PM
The DFI is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to get working, it o/cs to 269 by itself (711bios) and wont post after you change something in the bios. You have to keep resetting it about 6 times then it will post lol. But once you get everything straight it finally saves everything in the bios and works great.. Its a wacky mobo when working with it and I would have ripped it out of the case and stomped on it if it was my main rig and didnt have a computer to play on, but its just something to fool around with for me so I just laugh at the crap it does and leave it sitting on the workbench until I get bored and decide to fiddle with it. I have had it working great with TCCD but now im trying to get my redline 4000 to work in it but 3.2v seems not to be enuff to run at 250.. It worked at 250 in my NF4 mobo at 3.2v but not on this mobo. I put a OCZ booster in at 3.4v and it works and then my psu died.
Using 711 Bios. NO "automatic" OC ! NO Problems with booting/rebooting, even when i change some Biossettings. The ONLY REAL PROBLEM i have got ist the 2T things with my DDR566. If this will get fixed i am absolutly happy with this Board.
NickS
08-01-2005, 11:23 PM
No doubt about it DFI.
DFI is the cream of the crop man.
Cant get better.
Xyus89
08-02-2005, 01:00 AM
read the thread Nicks,
DFI might be the best but the problems what you can get with it..
xyus
Absolute_0
08-02-2005, 01:39 AM
read the thread Nicks,
DFI might be the best but the problems what you can get with it..
xyus
He was just giving his advice and it needn't be influenced by other people's advice IMO. ANY mobo can get problems. And as long as we're talking about problems, the Neo2 certainly isn't a saint itself :stick:
Levish
08-02-2005, 07:37 AM
the Neo2 certainly isn't a saint itself :stick:
:toast:
Ryan45
08-02-2005, 07:59 AM
Hmm it is a tough choice but I would probably go with the Neo2. I had one and it worked great, no problems at all. True the DFI NF4 boards are great and if you were choosing between a Neo4 and DFI NF4 I would get the DFI. (I did) But this is NF3 chipset we are talking about, DFI alomost did a total recall on the boards. I say get the Neo2 and be happy, it sounds like you don't want to take the time to mess with the DFI's problems anyway.
darthcani
08-02-2005, 09:25 PM
Hello im new in this forum, i from argentina sory for my english i recently buy an dfi i have this problem i cant modify the rpm of the chipset/cooler ( with ntune soft) any idea ?? thanks Byz.-
darthcani
08-03-2005, 08:17 AM
Someone can adjust the rpm pf the fan/chipset in the bridge ? with Ntune or other program ? atry different and always still around 6000 rpm and is so load any idea ? thank
Pd: Sory for my english :P
Giana
08-03-2005, 10:18 AM
Sorry no Idea .. took the Fan of directly after i bought the Board.
Using some watercooling there ;) Btw i will get a MSI Neo2 again. Think this will work much better together with my A-DATA (TCCD)
Xyus89
11-07-2005, 02:55 PM
Hi Hi,
well (sorry for such late response)
I got MSI K8n neo2 and it worked from first boot ;)
overclocks great.
just fab,
xyus
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