Extreme OCZ TCC5!!! [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

BioPC

07-26-2005, 04:02 AM

After been reached DDR640 2,5-4-3-7 i have been testing the modules on 2,5-3-3-7 timings.
My surprise when i passed SuperPi 32mb @300Mhz, but more amazing was the final result: 308Mhz 2,5-3-3-7 1T!!! :toast:
Did i read TCC5 dont do 300 at this timings? Maybe i got lucky getting those babies. :D

Using 623-3 Bios
2.9v + .03v
Drive strenght: Level 5
Data drive strenght: Level 2

Here are the screens of the modules and SuperPi 32MB.
Sorry for the fotos quality(i was shaking)! :)

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/373/ocz11yi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8972/ocz27zk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9966/oczddr6160iv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

TheMeatFrog

07-26-2005, 04:14 AM

Nice results! TCC5 and TCCD are the same chips just binned different by samsung. So if OCZ is really selective with their TCC5 for these memory we could see 2.5-3-3-7 300MHz out of TCC5 fairly often. :)

high5

07-26-2005, 04:29 AM

great results biopc! :up:

just out of curiosity, did you try reaching even higher clocks with trcd set to 5?

eva2000

07-26-2005, 04:36 AM

woah that is a nice pair indeed :)

gundamit

07-26-2005, 04:50 AM

Great sticks! How much (if any) performance/bandwidth difference between the two settings (320 vs. 308 at their different timings) at same CPU speed?

Mr. Manka

07-26-2005, 05:05 AM

i hope the ocz pc4800 tcc5 i just got does those insane timings that totally rocks

[XC] moddolicous

07-26-2005, 05:06 AM

Really nice. Hopefully there will be alot more kits out that can do this. Did u take the heatspreaders off or leave them on.

BioPC

07-26-2005, 05:31 AM

great results biopc! :up:

just out of curiosity, did you try reaching even higher clocks with trcd set to 5?

No i havent tried it, not sure if i will get much higher. Maybe i try other time.

Great sticks! How much (if any) performance/bandwidth difference between the two settings (320 vs. 308 at their different timings) at same CPU speed?

With both tested on a 8x multiplier (due to my limited winnie) i would take 320Mhz 2.5-4-3-7. It delivers more than 250Mb/s extra bandwidth.
I just wanted to know their max on 2.5-3-3-x.

ex2cib

07-26-2005, 05:35 AM

nice results :slobber:

so much for racing to 300 with 2.5-3-3-7 with tcc5 :clap:

BioPC

07-26-2005, 05:42 AM

Really nice. Hopefully there will be alot more kits out that can do this. Did u take the heatspreaders off or leave them on.

:) I did not removed them yet. Too early to avoid the warranty while i still want to push them a little more. ;)

BioPC

07-26-2005, 05:45 AM

nice results :slobber:

so much for racing to 300 with 2.5-3-3-7 with tcc5 :clap:

Thanks man! Your TCC5 are good too and i hope you can get little more from them. ;)

Eldonko

07-26-2005, 07:22 AM

Wow that is the first TCC5 I have ever saw do 2.5-3-3 DDR600+, great job.

As for bandwidth.. Sure there is more with 2.5-4-4, bandwidth just gets higher as clocks go up regardless of timings. If you run PI and some other benches I'm pretty sure that 308 @2.5-3-3 will outperform any speed of 2.5-4-4 obtainable.

nugzo

07-26-2005, 07:56 AM

Great Numbers!! I have a set of TCC5 that OCZ sent me to replace my VX. I requested TCCX, They sent PC 4200 EL Dual Channel Platinum Edition 2.5-3-3-8. I will be trying to duplicate your numbers in a few days. Will post results.

HousERaT

07-26-2005, 09:03 AM

sweet sticks you got there........ those should last you a good while. Second time I've seen TCC5 2.5-3-3-x timings at 300fsb and the first time I've seen 32mb superpi stable.

nOx34

07-26-2005, 09:25 AM

formyfaith

07-26-2005, 09:37 AM

Wow~ very nice sticks there. :)

Can you try it with a higher multi?

I would really like to know how far those sticks can go up. ;)

ex2cib

07-26-2005, 10:08 AM

im going to try to get a little higher on mine later today.

whats the highest you can go with 1m?

BioPC

07-26-2005, 10:08 AM

Wow~ very nice sticks there. :)

Can you try it with a higher multi?

I would really like to know how far those sticks can go up. ;)
Actually my Winnie doesnt remain stable over 2650Mhz on air, which means that probably i could get something like 290-294 x 9, but thats not much for the ram :) .
I would like also to see something like 320x9 or 308x10, but i will have to wait till i get a pretty good cpu and cooling :( .

BioPC

07-26-2005, 01:27 PM

im going to try to get a little higher on mine later today.

whats the highest you can go with 1m?
On a quick test, windows crashed at 310 on that timings with same configuration used, so i think i have hit them pretty nice. :cheer2: :)
Anyway, when i get more time i will find out...

nugzo

07-26-2005, 01:52 PM

They replaced your VX ?!

Yes they did, with the 4200 tcc5 at my request.

ex2cib

07-26-2005, 02:40 PM

hmm...thats weird. 308 32m stable, yet 310 crashes?

highest i can pass 1m is about 312 2.5-3-3-7, maybe 313 on a VERY good day after a lot of tweaking. i usually like to make sure my ram is at least 1m stable before i try to bench with it, most of the time makes it through the benchmark fine then.

BioPC

07-26-2005, 03:05 PM

Its true, it didnt make to me any sense too. Maybe i changed something i shouldnt. I will post other time more results.
Your results from 295 32M stable till 312 1M are as well far from each other. Isnt it?

shadowing

07-26-2005, 03:38 PM

Nice results, BioPC! It shows that OCZ is really selective on their binning process. Hope you can get that stick further. ;)

ex2cib

07-26-2005, 04:03 PM

biopc, how long ago did you buy your sticks?

BioPC

07-26-2005, 04:21 PM

I got them last week of may , shipped directly from OCZ USA to my seller.

metro.cl

07-26-2005, 05:03 PM

but thats at just 2400mhz, not so special i think

ex2cib

07-26-2005, 05:12 PM

hmm...i ordered my rev 2 tcc5 from newegg on may 28...coincidence maybe? maybe not :)

nOx34

07-26-2005, 06:12 PM

Yes they did, with the 4200 tcc5 at my request.

wow , that's weird ... Did you buy straight from OCZ or what ?! I asked if it was possible to trade my VX for TCCD based modules and pay any compensation needed (I had a lot of problems with VX and DFI NF4) , but I got this answer from bigtoe

Patrick, unfortunately we do not offer a trade in at this time, we have though about it but its still a while of being implemented if we chose to persue the idea.

nfm

07-26-2005, 08:36 PM

I believe all ocz's tcc5 are equal, same overclock.

System:

3200+ 939pin Winny
K8N Neo2 Platinum + Modded BIOS
TT Venus 12 lapped heatsink w\ 80cfm fan
OCZ PC3200 TCC5
Aspire 520W Modded PSU
Nv 5700 Ultra
250GB Hitachi SATA, 7200RPM

Here's a screeny of mine:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34887&stc=1

This is stable 1M Pi and 50 error free #5 Memtest passes. Unfortunaly this is cbbid winny (sometimes crashes around 2.2Ghz :p: lol, wtf? ), one of the worst amd's cpu ever made, so only ~1.4Ghz. TCC5 is interesting. I can do 32M Super Pi@330Mhz ,2.5-3-3-6 ~2.6v, but 1.4Ghz cpu doesn't make me happy. I believe ocz make incredible memories, I'm able to boot them 360Mhz@2.5-3-3-5 but I'll get few errors in memtest. With FX-57 I'm convinced I would brake a highest mem speed WR with 2.5-3-3-5 latencies. here's something I did to cbbid before:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34482

Screeny speaks for itself. That didn't help either, that was aircooled :owned:

BioPC

07-27-2005, 12:00 AM

Indeed, cpu mem controllers are a playing a crucial factor when oc´ing the memory and their limits and configuration seems different from one to another.
I´d like to see some results from FX owners using TCCX modules.

BioPC

07-27-2005, 02:22 AM

Highest SuperPi 1M i can do, 2,5-3-3-7 @3.0v :rolleyes: :D

Trc: 7
Trfc: 14
Trrd: 3
Max async latency: 9ns
Read Preamble: 6.5ns

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/61/3202531m7lp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

OV3RCLOCK3R

07-27-2005, 04:30 AM

I dont know how you people are able to achieve such quality numbers. I am having trouble clocking my ocz rev.2 TCCD. The previous owner had these running at 290 2.5-3-3-7 but i cant even get them stable at over 270 with those timings.

Sorry to hijack but would someone be willing to help?

amrgb

07-27-2005, 04:45 AM

@BioPC
Damn nice memories, cpu and board (most seem to neglect the role of the board in this kind of results)
Glad to see the end of a myth: TCC5 can clock 300+ 2.5-3-3-7 :woot:
Shoot for 310 32M stable. That would be a GREAT landmark.

@need.for.mhz
Your memories are running at 270, not 338. So, not a big deal. Don't believe it? try to achieve something similar with any multi besides the 4 multi (and x.5 multis as well).

@metro_oc.cl
Not everyone has 2800 capable cpu's. Especially winchesters. I don't think that the fact of BioPC is running at 2400-2500 is something to deserve even mention when faced by these amazing RAM results. Pair this ram and board with an FX55 on a phase change and you get 3080 or even 3388 @308 2.5-3-3-7.

ex2cib

07-27-2005, 05:38 AM

seems like all you guys with winchesters are getting the highest OC's on the ram.

and 310 32m would be nice as well.

glad to see you made it over 310 1m biopc.

harpyboy

07-27-2005, 12:36 PM

everyone who could get to 300+ with TCCx r those using winnie... did anyone at all got to this speed with a venice ?? i can't get pass 275 at all stable..kindda sucks becoz venice oc better than a winnie.. but the mem craps out

ex2cib

07-27-2005, 12:42 PM

mine's running at 295 32m stable with a venice right now, maxing out 1m at about 312, i think thats the highest right now. going to have another run at 300 soon though.

BioPC

07-27-2005, 12:59 PM

@harpyboy:

+300Mhz 1:1 has not been reached at all only with winchesters, but till now probably most of them.
Venice can do good as well, but some have weak mem controller compared to the winnnies one.
San Diegos are actually showing nice results, and will probably be my next upgrade:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70077

If you are using a Neo2, it may have an old week chipset, mine was that type and when used with my TCC5 i got exactly the same stable result as yours.
Your memory probably will do more, so you may consider an upgrade to DFI/Neo4 NF4.

s7e9h3n

07-27-2005, 02:05 PM

BioPC

07-27-2005, 02:15 PM

Nice work! There's very few 512mb TCCD sticks that can run those timings.
Thanks Sir! :) i agree i got a special ones.

harpyboy

07-27-2005, 03:09 PM

OV3RCLOCK3R

07-27-2005, 03:51 PM

Whats seems to be the best bios for ocz rev.2 TCCD?

I was playing with the 623-3 before but people recommended 510-3 instead. Shall i give that a try or anything better out there. Oh and my cpu is a winchester aswell.

BioPC

07-28-2005, 12:09 AM

I didn't try any other bios than the stock 3.10 and 6.23-3, so far i got with the last one my best score.
I've read other bios are working pretty good, even the X.XX-2 ones.
The best way to find out your best bios is to apply a test-fail method with some of them.

Good luck.

Mr. Manka

07-28-2005, 01:38 AM

i just got some ocz pc4800 plat.(not elite)
should i rma them and get the pc3200 rev 2
or stick with what ive got

thelostrican

07-28-2005, 01:39 AM

i just got some ocz pc4800 plat.(not elite)
should i rma them and get the pc3200 rev 2
or stick with what ive got
keep them! try them!jk

BioPC

07-28-2005, 01:59 AM

i just got some ocz pc4800 plat.(not elite)
should i rma them and get the pc3200 rev 2
or stick with what ive got

Mr. Manka i see no reason on rma them without been tested, they could probably do better than the PC3200 serie in most of cases or not.
My PC3200 results are far away from what they often do, and doesn't mean they will be garanted to such level.
Take your time and see what you can get.

Good luck.

thelostrican

07-28-2005, 02:03 AM

Mr. Manka i see no reason on rma them without been tested, they could probably do better than the PC3200 serie in most of cases or not.
My PC3200 results are far away from what they often do, and doesn't mean they will be garanted to such level.
Take your time and see what you can get.

Good luck.
exacto, you might want to send me those stick for further testing biopc all in the name of computer science....j/k :toast:

Mr. Manka

07-28-2005, 02:11 AM

lol
thanks for the help guys
hopefully my processor will arrive tomorrow and ill post the stepping

BioPC

07-28-2005, 02:12 AM

@thelostrican:

Well, for the same science you could let me take a look at your AMD ... :wasntme: :)

Saludos

Mr. Manka

07-28-2005, 02:12 AM

but i am going to rma the cuz newegg just put out a nice rebate for them
so ill get some cash back

thelostrican

07-28-2005, 02:14 AM

@thelostrican:

Well, for the same science you could let me take a look at your AMD ... :wasntme: :)

Saludos
lol :toast: saludos to you too:) great oc!

kosmonova

09-10-2005, 12:44 PM

good results, all tcc5 up to 300mhz ?

JNav89GT

09-10-2005, 01:03 PM

yeah it kills me how many people think they got baited into buying tccd and got tcc5 instead. TCC5 can rock too, and if the 3200 is doing specs these cry babies get their panties in a wad for nothing. This set is a great example of how tcc5 can fly higher than alot of tccd

BioPC

09-10-2005, 02:02 PM

good results, all tcc5 up to 300mhz ?
Unfortunetly, not all of them would jump up to 300Mhz, specially when they are only rated @DDR400. DDR616 on TCC5 (as results are showing) is really attractive but rare. But if you keep in mind their low price, you can always get a good chance without having to loose too much.
As our mate says, many expensive TCCD haven't done their job as we expected. ;)

EDiT: some people says OCZ is probably selling now the same PC3200 product back on TCCD's.

BioPC

kosmonova

09-11-2005, 05:53 AM

allright, Is every tcc5 run at 280mhz 7-3-3-2,5 timing ?

JNav89GT

09-11-2005, 06:57 AM

no I don't think u could say that
if they rate them at 3200 then expect 3200 and anything else is the fun and art of overclocking. I'd say chances of 250+ are really good,

ex2cib

09-11-2005, 12:56 PM

i was hearing something around 260 was good for most of them. But then again, a lot of it still has to do with your memory controller and what type of mainboard you have also. and dont expect to get good speeds with them with a few days work. it took me a while to get 300 stable with mine

kosmonova

09-11-2005, 01:35 PM

my board dfi lanparty ultra-d

Am I reach 280 mhz 2,5-3-3-7 timings fully stable ? I will hope run my system 10x280 7-3-3-2,5 timings :)

RyderOCZ

09-11-2005, 03:34 PM

my board dfi lanparty ultra-d

Am I reach 280 mhz 2,5-3-3-7 timings fully stable ? I will hope run my system 10x280 7-3-3-2,5 timings :)If you buy PC3200 ram and you want PC4600 speeds...then you are taking a chance that you will not reach that goal.
Not all PC3200 Plat Rev 2 will reach 280Mhz with 2.5-3-3-7 timings....it will be "luck of the draw"
If you really want higher speeds then you need to look at PC4200 Platinum or PC4800 Platinum, so you get those speeds guaranteed.