Vapochill PE Phase Change case review is up [Archive]

Duncan

12-23-2002, 03:00 PM

After reading this review I came into conclusion that OPPAINTER want to tell: "Prometeia is better cooler but the real winner is Vapochill".
It's nothing wrong with it.
Vapochill seems to be better developed product, I mean that Asetek think about more aspects of their child not only performance.
The truth is that Prometeia is for Xtreme ;)

muzz

12-23-2002, 03:15 PM

That was a well done review IMO, the comparisons were a very good touch. That IS a nice unit, just not quite as Xtreme as the prommie.

OPPAINTER

12-23-2002, 03:27 PM

Well I just reported the stuff as accurate as I could get and left it to the reader to figure what they were more interested in. The 2 units are both good, they are just different in many ways, I like them both :D

OPP

Lisch

12-23-2002, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Well I just reported the stuff as accurate as I could get and left it to the reader to figure what they were more interested in. The 2 units are both good, they are just different in many ways, I like them both :D

OPP

very nice review... unbiased and accurate..

Hey OPPAINTER,

i TOO use a Vapochill PE and an ABIT BE7-RAID. ive done the vdimm mode (what a PAIN! i had to dremel my soilder gun tip to a piont, hehe..) only im using a P4 2.66. I can't get over a FSB of 178 ~179 with out lockups... pretty stable up to that point..

any idea's what would be holding me back w/ the BE7-raid? you got a huge FSB jump over me... :)

edit: benchies and pics here
http://www.brightdsl.net/~blischner/Benchmarks%20and%20Equipment.htm

http://lisch.no-ip.com

btw, i put the Vapochill PE and water/TEC cooled 9700pro all into a Lian-Li case running off one Antec Truepower 550 (great psu)

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Drozdov

12-23-2002, 03:46 PM

in your review...did u adjust the pot on the TTGI?

OPPAINTER

12-23-2002, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Lisch
very nice review... unbiased and accurate..

Hey OPPAINTER,

i TOO use a Vapochill PE and an ABIT BE7-RAID. ive done the vdimm mode (what a PAIN! i had to dremel my soilder gun tip to a piont, hehe..) only im using a P4 2.66. I can't get over a FSB of 178 ~179 with out lockups... pretty stable up to that point..

any idea's what would be holding me back w/ the BE7-raid? you got a huge FSB jump over me... :)

edit: benchies and pics here
http://www.brightdsl.net/~blischner/Benchmarks%20and%20Equipment.htm

http://lisch.no-ip.com

btw, i put the Vapochill PE and water/TEC cooled 9700pro all into a Lian-Li case running off one Antec Truepower 550 (great psu)

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Not sure, I can tell you that the 3:4 is messed up so don't use it. Use either the 4:5 or the 1:1, I also did the wire mod to my cpu for more voltage.

OPP

OPPAINTER

12-23-2002, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Drozdov
in your review...did u adjust the pot on the TTGI?

I had the thing adjusted for my KD7, that was it, I never played with it since.

OPP

bmg

12-23-2002, 04:27 PM

Nice review OPP.

-bmg

mdzcpa

12-23-2002, 04:48 PM

Good review OPP:)

Phase Change cooling is calling my name:)

Hobocrow

12-23-2002, 05:39 PM

Very nice review. I recently received my Prometeia, which I love by the way and I still enjoyed the read. Well done! :)

Creative

12-23-2002, 06:03 PM

Havnt read it yet but will asap

Good stuff buddy :)

Drozdov

12-23-2002, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I had the thing adjusted for my KD7, that was it, I never played with it since.

OPP

ok sounds good...with my Vapo i got 11.85v on the 12+ rail with a TTGI 420w

charlie

12-23-2002, 07:11 PM

Opp/MrIcee,
Very well done review and editing!
Makes me wonder...can you mount a Vapo-chill case on top of a prometeia and use the vapochill for gpu and the Prommy for cpu??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????
C

muzz

12-23-2002, 07:28 PM

hehehehe charlie!!!!

QuadDamage

12-23-2002, 08:34 PM

very good review, OPP:toast:

The truth is that Prometeia is for Xtreme

that's why i like it :D

sysfailur

12-23-2002, 08:35 PM

Very nice, but what is up with the crazy diff. text and funky colors? :confused:

freeloader

12-23-2002, 08:37 PM

Nice review OPPAINTER, would you personally buy the Prometeia (sp?) or the Vapochill PE? I can grab the Prometeia for just over $1100 CDN or I can get the VAP PE for about $950 CDN. Is it worth the extra 150 for the Prometeia? I would be using an Athlon XP 2600 with Asus Nforce 2 board.

OPPAINTER

12-23-2002, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by freeloader
Nice review OPPAINTER, would you personally buy the Prometeia (sp?) or the Vapochill PE? I can grab the Prometeia for just over $1100 CDN or I can get the VAP PE for about $950 CDN. Is it worth the extra 150 for the Prometeia? I would be using an Athlon XP 2600 with Asus Nforce 2 board.

I don't no, I havn't gotton to try the Vapo with AMD:D

OPP

DaGooch

12-23-2002, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by sysfailur
Very nice, but what is up with the crazy diff. text and funky colors? :confused:

Did you eat those funny looking mushrooms you found in the forest? :D

QuadDamage

12-23-2002, 08:59 PM

I didn't try Vapo unit, but reading OPP's review, i think Prommy is slightly better. however, Vapo is cheaper and looks better.

OPPAINTER

12-23-2002, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by DaGoochMeister
Did you eat those funny looking mushrooms you found in the forest? :D

ROTFLMAO :D

OPP

muzz

12-23-2002, 09:18 PM

Yes I'm afraid he did................................... again..........

:banana:

Ranger Loki

12-23-2002, 09:35 PM

OPP That review was soo good, it's the next thinG I am buying, DAMN YOU I SAY!!! DAMN YOU! LOL!

I just don't know though... I may buy both an Intel and AMD version, for my next system will be a AMD system, be it Barton, Opteron or whatever.

EDIT: I have the same exact PSU used in the review, I love having Directron being only a few miles away from home hehehe

Nico

12-23-2002, 09:41 PM

Nice review ;)

It's good to see a real comparative review, and it concur's with other comments that I've read. looks like the Prommy will win out in the cooling stakes when the voltages start to get high and corresspondingly the temps become a little much even for a VapoPE. Down the track I see the processors themselves solving any condensation problems the Prommy has due to escalting temperature output, and at that stage I think the Vapo will be up for another upgrade to cope. All said I think the avaliability is the real issue for those wanting a Prommy, still no sign of them in Aus.

Keep up the good work, it makes it a lot easier to choose technology with good review's about :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Drozdov

12-23-2002, 10:55 PM

speaking from expierence careful with installing the AMD kit...i ended up cracking the CPU core and making a huge scratch on the mobo.

wicktron

12-23-2002, 11:22 PM

Where can you just get the case without all the bling bling cooling?

Creative

12-23-2002, 11:27 PM

I have read the review now and found it to be very straight to the point without alot of BSing around :)

I have the same unit here and have had it now for nearly 2 weeks and I love it. to ME its better than the pro, even if the pro does give better temps. To ME it looks cheap and the amount of leaks Ive heard from it put me off, thus the PE Vapo unit :)

I have a 2.8 sitting at 3.4 @ 1.55vcore on load and my temps read -9 on the cpu at idle and -1 to +1 on load. The evap temp reads -28at idle with a hold of -30 and then goes to -21 on load. So it looks like abotu a 20 degree difference between the Evap and the cpu, not bad :) Ambient is +19

If anyone if deciding on whether they should buy the PE vapo then I say go for it. You shouldnt have any problems and if you do the forums can help you very much over at asetek.

Once again, nice review OPP

:banana:

Nico

12-23-2002, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Drozdov
speaking from expierence careful with installing the AMD kit...i ended up cracking the CPU core and making a huge scratch on the mobo.

Bummer, I have installed on AMD's about 4-5 times and haven't damaged a thing. Mind you I started using longer screws back with my P3, works a treat.

sysfailur

12-24-2002, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by DaGoochMeister
Did you eat those funny looking mushrooms you found in the forest? :D

I always eat em! But no, I'm saying, the review looks weird... like there are like 5 diff. font types, and times new roman??? YUCK! Come on opp, don't tell me you like Times New Roman.

And the bright pink on the top, the blue links... come on! Black links, maybe a dark blue top part. I don't understand where these colors are coming from. Make it match the site!

And why isn't the review integrated into the main "window" or "cell" of xs.org? I just think it looks weird. It could look a lot nicer.

ZubZero

12-24-2002, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Nico
Nice review ;)

when the voltages start to get high and corresspondingly the temps become a little much even for a VapoPE. Down the track I see the processors themselves solving any condensation problems the Prommy has due to escalting temperature output, and at that stage I think the Vapo will be up for another upgrade to cope. about :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yo Nico,

I don't think you are right here - well yes and no :) Sure the Prom will keep the temperatures lower, but the Vapo PE is able to remove 160W of heat, which is even more than the prom according to their own site (http://www.chip-con.com/tech-info.asp)

Galifrey

12-24-2002, 02:03 AM

The Chip-Con specs are fairly conservative according to all the test data tho...

if it can keep a higher wattage CPU 16 degrees lower in temp, its more than capable of matching the PE for heat removal....

I believe that this is due not to the compressor but more down to the pin heaters on the Vapo adding to the evaps work load...

Its what you pay for alledgedly better condensation protection...

TodB

12-24-2002, 02:38 AM

A little bit off the topic, but is there a way to buy the cooling ( Prommy or Vapo ) only, and not the complete case+cooling solution? :confused:

Nico

12-24-2002, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by ZubZero
Yo Nico,

I don't think you are right here - well yes and no :) Sure the Prom will keep the temperatures lower, but the Vapo PE is able to remove 160W of heat, which is even more than the prom according to their own site (http://www.chip-con.com/tech-info.asp)

It sounds good in theory, but as OPP's review showed, underload its reading +8c. My Vapo classic was great for its time, that being the P3 era. It could keep my 700E@1036/2.05v at about 0c under load, but now a XP2000+@1980/2.00v is up to 28c under load, even a 2400+@2500/2.15 was 21c.
My theory is it's better to have some overhead now, because CPU'S ain't getting any cooler. In a year or two a VapoPE will be back up to 20c underload, where as a Prom will be say 5c and the extra heat will cure its condensation problems.
I should also say that ther's nothing wrong with a CPU running at 20c. Sure it does overclock as well, but I'd rather be considering this now than in two years. The Prom to me has an element of future proofing built in, with the down side that you have to be good at insulating for condensation, at least until the CPU'S get fast enough to generate sufficient heat.

OPPAINTER

12-24-2002, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by sysfailur
I always eat em! But no, I'm saying, the review looks weird... like there are like 5 diff. font types, and times new roman??? YUCK! Come on opp, don't tell me you like Times New Roman.

And the bright pink on the top, the blue links... come on! Black links, maybe a dark blue top part. I don't understand where these colors are coming from. Make it match the site!

And why isn't the review integrated into the main "window" or "cell" of xs.org? I just think it looks weird. It could look a lot nicer.

Hey sysfailur, thats Xtremes newest Review Template, don't mess with it:D

OPP

MrIcee

12-24-2002, 08:57 AM

Times New Roman?? He has been eating too many mushrooms...LOL

The whole base of the review is done in the Verdona font...the rest are what OPP preferred and gave to me.

I don't think we're doing too bad on the review format for being a bunch of newbies at this stuff..at least compared to our system flogging.

And BTW....our forum friend Sinnah gets full credit for the base review template...it's all his except for a few changes made to adapt to our vision. Sinnah....you made a work of art and XtremeSystems.org thanks you sincerely for your efforts my man !!

BTW..I kinda like the different colors and the layout...we're not trying to be like everybody else or what is "standard" layout practice..we are trying to be unique and different from the norm..our own look and identity.

Sorry if some do not care for our current style.It's better than the s*hit format we started with in the beginning.

Randi:D

OPPAINTER

12-24-2002, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by MrIcee

Sorry if some do not care for our current style.It's better than the s*hit format we started with in the beginning.

Randi:D

Cheers to that my friend :D :toast:

OPP

charlie

12-24-2002, 09:21 AM

Well, hey I like it guys! I know from experience that desktop publishing is a b*tch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C

sysfailur

12-24-2002, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Hey sysfailur, thats Xtremes newest Review Template, don't mess with it:D

OPP

Well I can't physically mess w/ it, but I thought I'd give a few suggestions.. -- So you are saying that you're not using times new roman? Cus I'm seeing it, along w/ alot of other fonts. I'm using IE6, I dunno..... was it coded in Netscape or something?

I mean it's not fugly, I just think it could use some tweaking. If not that's fine, do what ya want. ;)

Pedro Rocha

12-24-2002, 10:08 AM

Very good and exempt review my friend and Guru
Congratulations !!

:toast:

Maybe the only thing missing is a reference to Support Services - in my opinion a very important issue (if not decisive) for the purchase decision of and advanced cooling solutions, like the Vapochill or Prometeia.

I don't have any experience dealing with Asetek Support Services, but Chip-con sure have one the best support teams I ever deal in this business.
They help me a lot in the past when I have some problems with my Prometeia, even send me mails after dinner or in the weekends, clearly exceeding their professional obligations. :-)

http://www.cluboverclocker.com/contest/lights.gif

I wish you and to all Xtreme members a Merry Christmas, and I hope that all your wishes will come true in 2003.

Drozdov

12-24-2002, 10:20 AM

is there any way to buy just the kit for the vapo pe?

Nico

12-24-2002, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Drozdov
is there any way to buy just the kit for the vapo pe?

If you mean AMD or Intel kit, then you can order direct from their web site. Free post if I remember correctly.

On service from Asetek, they have been pretty good. It takes a little while for them to get back to you via email, but they always have and been very helpful.

MrIcee

12-24-2002, 03:52 PM

Sys:)

95-98% of the text is Verdana..I'm not kidding. Only some of the titles et al I left the way OPP wanted them..they may very well be Times New Roman or whatever. I'm viewing it in IE6 and it looks the same way I edited and published it in Front Page....I use IE6 for my comnparo's when editing to make sure everything views correctly. :)

Randi:D

Drozdov

12-24-2002, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Nico
If you mean AMD or Intel kit, then you can order direct from their web site. Free post if I remember correctly.

On service from Asetek, they have been pretty good. It takes a little while for them to get back to you via email, but they always have and been very helpful.

i can order the kits at www.vpc-toledo.com

looks like next week ill have my vapo pe up and running :D

LORD

12-25-2002, 07:46 AM

Once again, good to read a review by a fellow over-clocker. Pics can speak a thousand words.........

Schitzo

12-25-2002, 02:42 PM

We used to resell the vapochill back when it first came out, I think we were the only company in Canada doing it, back then. (ByteTrack Computers, if anyone here knows).

Anyways, whenever we've had to deal with Asetek support, we've found them to be very good. They had us ship a compressor back to Denmark, which was a pain, but other than the part where they're across the atlantic, they've been very helpful and quick to reply.

Too bad we don't sell them anymore, but there just wasn't the demand for it after a while. Not when we had to order them 4 at a time.

PiLsY

12-25-2002, 02:46 PM

Well personally I think Opp got a cherry picked review sample...

Nice work Opp ;).

PiLsY.

Galifrey

12-25-2002, 04:09 PM

hehe PiLsY you old cynic....

IMHO the only + point for the PE was the portability and the power consumption...

Other than that, its still the number 2 phase change cooling solution...

;)

Creative

12-25-2002, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Galifrey
hehe PiLsY you old cynic....

IMHO the only + point for the PE was the portability and the power consumption...

Other than that, its still the number 2 phase change cooling solution...

;)

Im just going to bite my tongue and not say anything

AKRedneck

12-25-2002, 10:29 PM

Now that the main review has been completed, would it be possible to post a follow up using an AMD oven? Perhaps with a Vcore of 2.0 volts? It would be interesting to check out the diff between the two, vapo and prom, with this much heat dissipation. I know that my XP2400@2600 w/ 2v pulls the prom down to a whopping -28 on the evap (at full load). I would love to see the foo foo vapochill evap temps with it's 'cute' lil ol compressor..

Biased?..NO not me...lol.

ps. you would only have to post the temps in the followup. this way, sys couldn't complain tooo much about the fonts since it's just a bunch o numbers.. :D

sysfailur

12-25-2002, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by MrIcee
Sys:)

95-98% of the text is Verdana..I'm not kidding. Only some of the titles et al I left the way OPP wanted them..they may very well be Times New Roman or whatever. I'm viewing it in IE6 and it looks the same way I edited and published it in Front Page....I use IE6 for my comnparo's when editing to make sure everything views correctly. :)

Randi:D

Hmm, maybe my browser is borked or something. I'll check into that, it might be a prob on my end.

QuadDamage

12-25-2002, 11:12 PM

when i clocked P43.06 to 4.02Ghz at 1.85v, Sandra 2K3 Pro reported that this little biatch produces 170w of heat:eek: i must admit that i was very imperessed by the fact that prommy can deal with such heat output:)

Friar Tuck

12-26-2002, 01:57 AM

Nice review, Opp.. :)

FT.

Galifrey

12-26-2002, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by AKRedneck
Now that the main review has been completed, would it be possible to post a follow up using an AMD oven? Perhaps with a Vcore of 2.0 volts? It would be interesting to check out the diff between the two, vapo and prom, with this much heat dissipation. I know that my XP2400@2600 w/ 2v pulls the prom down to a whopping -28 on the evap (at full load). I would love to see the foo foo vapochill evap temps with it's 'cute' lil ol compressor..

Biased?..NO not me...lol.

ps. you would only have to post the temps in the followup. this way, sys couldn't complain tooo much about the fonts since it's just a bunch o numbers.. :D

Yeah I agree, I would like to see how it copes with a bit of direct die on an AMD rather than the P4.... The AMD has a much larger affect on evap temps than the P4....

Might be the AMD is more suited to a vapokill or it might be worse....

OPPAINTER

12-26-2002, 09:22 AM

Thats why I titled the review the Intel Edition, fact is I don't even have a AMD mounting kit yet. I was planning on writeing an AMD version once I get the kit.

OPP

OPPAINTER

12-26-2002, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by AKRedneck
I would love to see the foo foo vapochill evap temps with it's 'cute' lil ol compressor..

Well I would say that the little old Vapo Compressor does pretty good. Think about this, the Vapo compressor uses about .5 Amps and the Prometeia Compressor uses 2.8 Amps, over 5 times the power usage, for that amount of power difference you would think the Prometeia would be able to Overclock a chip more then Just 100Mhz :D
So bottom line, the Vapo is very well optimized, more so then the Prometeia:)

OPP

Drozdov

12-26-2002, 11:13 AM

I dont know how many people use the Vapo for an AMD, but when i tried to mount it...i ended up gashing the mobo and cracking the CPU core...i followed the instructions exactly what it told me...not that easy to mount IMO

OPPAINTER

12-26-2002, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Drozdov
I dont know how many people use the Vapo for an AMD, but when i tried to mount it...i ended up gashing the mobo and cracking the CPU core...i followed the instructions exactly what it told me...not that easy to mount IMO

Yea, this could be the reason for them not sending me a Kit untill they have a better one.

OPP

muzz

12-26-2002, 12:02 PM

Well they've been doing it long enough....... you think they would have their sh*t together by now.

AKRedneck

12-26-2002, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I was planning on writeing an AMD version once I get the kit.

Well I would say that the little old Vapo Compressor does pretty good. Think about this, the Vapo compressor uses about .5 Amps and the Prometeia Compressor uses 2.8 Amps, over 5 times the power usage, for that amount of power difference you would think the Prometeia would be able to Overclock a chip more then Just 100Mhz :D
So bottom line, the Vapo is very well optimized, more so then the Prometeia:)

OPP

Sounds good on the AMD review. It'll be worth the wait.. :cool:

For what it is, the VAPO does do pretty good, BUT, The Vapo HAS to use more than 0.5 amps? P=V*I right? Even quoted @120v AC, that would only be 60watts? Did you quote the current draw at the wall (power supply draw), or from the compressor? Per the BD50F data sheet, the power consumption varies between 25 and 109 watts depending on speed and evap temperature, or between 2 and 9 amps respectively, from the compressor..

As for the 100mhz gain, I guess I'm not real surprised by that.

OPPAINTER

12-26-2002, 12:44 PM

I took measurements from the wall to the PSU or in the Promys case from the wall to the Compressor. The Prome came up with 2.8 to the compressor and a seperate measurement to the promy PSU (system) came up with 1. This gives a total of 3.8.
Now with the Vapo I did from the wall to the PSU, which is also running the Compressor and came up with 1.5. So If I look at the Promy PSU measurement of 1 I figuer that is what the Vapo does without the Compressor which leaves .5 for the compressor:D

Did that make sence?? :D

OPP

DoGMaN

12-26-2002, 01:14 PM

OPP, I have a question about the temps recorded in your test. It seems that the vapo is not very adept at keeping a good low temp full load. My Pelt setup seems to hold a lower temp than the vapo unit. How is this possible? I have a 2.26 much like yours, and I don't think I ever see +8C. Maybe +3-4. With my C1 2.8 @ 3.3 1.6v It generally hovers at +1C. Just seems a little odd. Maybe my board is wrong, I dunno.

OPPAINTER

12-26-2002, 01:27 PM

DoGMaN

12-26-2002, 01:33 PM

Very true. You'd think, that abit stuff would all use the same or similar parts. I dunno, like I said, its probably my mobo being all screwy.

AKRedneck

12-26-2002, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I took measurements from the wall to the PSU or in the Promys case from the wall to the Compressor. The Prome came up with 2.8 to the compressor and a seperate measurement to the promy PSU (system) came up with 1. This gives a total of 3.8.
Now with the Vapo I did from the wall to the PSU, which is also running the Compressor and came up with 1.5. So If I look at the Promy PSU measurement of 1 I figuer that is what the Vapo does without the Compressor which leaves .5 for the compressor:D

Did that make sence?? :D

OPP

Makes perfect sense now! Thanks for the clarification OPP. :)

One thing to keep in mind when comparing the power consumption for the units (for those electricity meiser's :D ) is that the Vapo uses a variable speed drive, while the prom is fixed speed. I know the Vapo will alway's be cheaper to operate, however, when gaming or benching, etc; the power savings w/ the vapo may not be as significant.. I am just speculating after comparing data sheets, as I do not own a Vapo.

OPPAINTER

12-26-2002, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by DoGMaN
Very true. You'd think, that abit stuff would all use the same or similar parts. I dunno, like I said, its probably my mobo being all screwy.

Yea, it's just that all my mobo's measure different, and all my chips run hoter or colder so there isn't realy any way to compare unless it's done the way I did it in the Review:)

OPP

Creative

12-26-2002, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by DoGMaN
OPP, I have a question about the temps recorded in your test. It seems that the vapo is not very adept at keeping a good low temp full load. My Pelt setup seems to hold a lower temp than the vapo unit. How is this possible? I have a 2.26 much like yours, and I don't think I ever see +8C. Maybe +3-4. With my C1 2.8 @ 3.3 1.6v It generally hovers at +1C. Just seems a little odd. Maybe my board is wrong, I dunno.

Epox 4PEA
P4 2.8
Vapo Fan @ 60%
Hold Temp -30celcius
Ambient +21Celcius

These are my everyday running speeds for gaming, browsing and folding :)

Idle
http://users.bigpond.net.au/creat/vapo/3400idle.jpg

Load
http://users.bigpond.net.au/creat/vapo/3400Load.jpg

Id say that the Vapo cools very nicely. All the Vapo bashers/trolls should understand the products more and the differences between them before they start thier usual sheep following bagging of it :rolleyes:

Cheers

DoGMaN

12-26-2002, 05:39 PM

I was not trying to "bash" anything. I was merely stating that I thought the temps were a bit "odd" as my pelt was getting better temps than were shown in the review. As OPP stated, without using the exact hardware used in the test there is no way to compare the 2 results.

http://thecrucible.ca/images/temps.jpg

Creative

12-26-2002, 06:49 PM

DoGMaN, sorry for singling you out, your comments were actually tame :p
hehehehe

I understand what you are trying to say. If you had normal WC and no pelt then id be surprised at the small difference, but cos you have a pelt and prob chilled water etc etc then the reults are sorta OK in my mind...:)

ps
is that screenie you put load or idle?
:)

DoGMaN

12-26-2002, 07:16 PM

Thats full load. Running Folding@home, so not as hot as say Prime95 or HotCPU. That is the temp I run at 24/7. I'm not running chilled water, just straight up rads. Really big rads, but nothing overly exciting. My water stays about ambient +3.5C and ambient is generally 20-22C.

http://thecrucible.ca/images/temps2.jpg http://thecrucible.ca/images/Idle_temps.jpg

Tedinde

12-27-2002, 07:04 AM

Friar Tuck
Nice review, Opp..

Who would've thought.

A very good review opp. No bias. Even though we all know the prometeia get's colder.

Ive been using mine for almost 2 months now. No problems, quiet. Once you get used to changing chips you can do it in 3 to 5 minutes.

I go through and test a lot of chips i get in and didnt feel like the seal string hastle. That's why i bought a vapo. I sold the first on i had in a rig. And ordered another one so i wouldnt be out. Got it 2 days before xmas.

Also Opp, you screaming 2.0 celeron review, you never said what you put it in. Im assuming the vapo right?? Im going to try the 2.0 celeron in it today. I have a 2.2 celeron coming in, in 3 days. IPD had them for $78.

OPPAINTER

12-27-2002, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Tedinde

Also Opp, you screaming 2.0 celeron review, you never said what you put it in. Im assuming the vapo right?? Im going to try the 2.0 celeron in it today. I have a 2.2 celeron coming in, in 3 days. IPD had them for $78.

The Celeron was in both the Vapo and Promy, no difference. The chip could only go so high, it didn't matter how cold I got it, the chip just hit a wall.
Good fun but the thing is awfull with 3D :D

OPP

Umgawa

12-27-2002, 09:51 AM

I dont think anyone really cares about power consumption and the review says the cheapest vapo pe is 509. The cheapest prometeia is 609. Were is the 151 dollars price difference coming from? IMHO the prometeia gets the nod. Its just plain simple and cools good.

Umgawa

12-27-2002, 10:04 AM

Never mind about the prices I see they dont sell the white ones no more. Silly why black is so much higher.

ZubZero

12-27-2002, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by DoGMaN
Very true. You'd think, that abit stuff would all use the same or similar parts. I dunno, like I said, its probably my mobo being all screwy.

I think it's due to the core voltage. If I drop mine to 1.6VI will get a huge temperature drop. Could you try to increase yours to 1.75V (actual) and see what your readings are?

DoGMaN

12-27-2002, 03:26 PM

Sure can.

Here is my 2.26 at 3.1 1.75v idle
http://thecrucible.ca/images/226_idle.jpg

I'll post the load in a few. Been running about 10 mins.

DoGMaN

12-27-2002, 04:38 PM

Here is load temps.

http://thecrucible.ca/images/226_load.jpg

RoydRage

12-29-2002, 02:34 AM

FLASH....

From the Review: "You can see where this is going, yes the Vapo has better Condensation Prevention with its heaters."

OPP, I just wanted to point out that while doing the Installation of my New prome I was surpised to find a heating element, and a supplemental note, that this has been added replacing the foam element in the rear cover to aid against condensation!

Appearently they have already taken steps to improve performance in this respect...

RoydRage