View Full Version : 8rda+ sucks for overclocking
Justintoxicated
12-23-2002, 12:29 PM
So in conclusion to my problems, it seems that the 8rda+ just sucks for overclocking. It can hit high FSB's but wont pass prime 95.
Everyone over at aoa forums has determined that the 8rda+ is just not stable at high FSB's. Has anyone here actualy run stability tests at anything over 180 FSB? (im having trouble at 190 FSB)
My memory seems to be working PC3200 C2 but the board just wont go at a very high FSB (problems at 190). There are people over there switching back to their 8k3a+'s
Im givig a computer to my sister for christmas so if this is true i only have today and tomarrow to compleatly dissasemble both machines, return my raid card to Newegg, and swap back to the 8k3a+
What should i do?
wish i would have know about this pefore i finished the 2 systems...I just finished building them both and installing ALL the softwar eon both, it would suck to have to swap them again :( but if its worth it ill go back the the 8k3a+ :(
Galifrey
12-23-2002, 01:27 PM
IMHO..... coblers....
The 8RDA is fine at 200 fsb+......
Liquid3D
12-23-2002, 01:33 PM
Could be you have a poor performing CPU, or even Mobo. (you did mention earlier you had better luck w/that RAM on another board right?)
Although there were a number of simliar posts over at AOA, there are so many variables, it's often difficult to determine the exact cause. I wouldn't necessarily give up on that board yet, maybe you could RMA it?
This may sound anal, but I'm working towards a PhD in Neurophilosophy, so bear with me. The use of Universal Qauntifiers "all, every, nothing, never, etc." are most often replete with falacies, or negative truth values. That is to say your statement is prima facie untrue except in "Other Word" scenarios, which belong in a Graduate level Linguistics class pertaning to Semantics. Although you didn't USE an UQ per say, your statement presumes as much. This will undoubtebly get you into a lot of trouble, as there's no room for feelings in Inductive/Deductive arguments. The premises must be based in fact for the conclusion to be true. Otherwise your committing what's known in Logic as "Inductive Leap". That; and your bound to piss off a lot of 8RDA/+ owners.
I hope you know as true as the above statement is, I'm just spreading a little Holiday cheer, PLEASE don't take it personally.
Well I have a view on this. Higher fsb does not always equate to more performance...
Thats my take.
gandalf027
12-23-2002, 01:54 PM
Well, i've got mine at 205 .. and prime for about 5 hours .. no problems at all.
RacerX
12-23-2002, 01:59 PM
No problems here.........
http://home.attbi.com/~phippy1/Pcmark.bmp
and the link........http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=947430
Spartacus
12-23-2002, 02:34 PM
I can run Prime for hours at 203x11, Prime will fail within 30min. at 204 though.
Entuscan
12-23-2002, 03:19 PM
maybe a dumb question but did you install the latest bios?
The bios that is stock-onboard doesn't OC at all, most ofthe problems you discribe are solved by the latest bios
Drozdov
12-23-2002, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Entuscan
maybe a dumb question but did you install the latest bios?
The bios that is stock-onboard doesn't OC at all, most ofthe problems you discribe are solved by the latest bios
i disagree on the stock BIOS, when i had my 8RDA+ the first week it came out i was able to overclock the FSB to 204 and run prime95 overnight with no stability issues...thus giving me 2040mhz (10x204) with a 1700+ tbred, and i also was running dual channel
Drozdov
12-23-2002, 03:51 PM
here is my 3dmark with the stock BIOS and with 10x204
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5287596
Justintoxicated
12-23-2002, 04:24 PM
thanks for the replies.
I did update to the latest bios on the epox website (Not sure it is the best bios thoug is it?)
It could also be the fault of the CPU but many people have been having problems (althogh maybe it is their CPU's i dunno)
I can loop prime 95 for 4 hours no problem even 10 hours no problem, but when i overclock i always go for what will retain stability for over 24 hours...even failing at 25 hours is bad to me (im picky)
So yea, i can run prime for hours, over 12 to be more exact but it eventualy fails, so IMO it is not stable. It is still looping at 190x10.5 since i have lowered the voltage (maybe it got too hot)
In the meantime i decided to keep the board, since i would not want to run my Raid-0 array too far outa spec, okt he 8k3a+ they would be way outa spec...So the way i see it 190 FSB running things in spec is still better. I am about 90% sure it is not my memory, and i have no idea about the CPU (is it possible that it would do 2100 MHZ at a lower FSb and less MHZ at a higher FSB?)
plan 1 was (upp voltage and see if i could boot at 200x10..
plan 2 find highest overclockable speed at 200 FSB (wont boot at any speed at 200 FSB) I even tried 6x200 and it wont boot into windows no matter what voltage...This is why i believe it to be the fault of the motherboard.
DROZDOV what version of the board do you have 1.0 or 1.1?
Maybe you just got a bad board. You should be able to get 200fsb out of it especially with a raid card. You could always send it back and try again. Have you tried relaxing the ram timings? Download Memtest86 and test the memory in dos and see how it does.
I hate to speak for folks, but he got his pretty early on so my guess is he had a rev1.0 . I think something happened to it, don't think he has it anymore.. his sig says he has a P4 now.
TechTones
12-23-2002, 06:10 PM
I totally agree with Intox,
The board sucks for stable overclocking. I was stable at 200/200
with a 2400+ at 2300 that does 2500, TwinMOS PC3200 that does 223 at 200, but that didn't last long. Running Seti, the system rebooted after 20 min. At 195 it rebooted. At 190 it rebooted.
It wasn't even stable at 180 running Prime or Seti. I'm using the C10 bios. I think the board sucks or the chipset does. It feels like a kids toy. Yeah real fun to play around with all the setting if you keep your FSB under 175. It's a good board for noobs to play with. For real hardcore overclocking my Epox 8K3A+ takes this board to the cleaners. It's a cheap ass chipset Nvidia made to uncut Via and it shows. It's a great board for OEM's to run at 166/166 and that's it.
Perhaps I have a bad board, but then again almost everyone has a bad board but a few.
Drozdov
12-23-2002, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by muzz
I hate to speak for folks, but he got his pretty early on so my guess is he had a rev1.0 . I think something happened to it, don't think he has it anymore.. his sig says he has a P4 now.
its alright dude :D yes its rev1.0
and yeah something happened to it...while putting it on my vapochill wiht the AMD kit, the head slipped and the screw made a big gash on the mobo and at the same time cracked my 1700+ core :mad:
glock19owner
12-23-2002, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by TechTones
I totally agree with Intox,
The board sucks for stable overclocking. I was stable at 200/200
with a 2400+ at 2300 that does 2500, TwinMOS PC3200 that does 223 at 200, but that didn't last long. Running Seti, the system rebooted after 20 min. At 195 it rebooted. At 190 it rebooted.
It wasn't even stable at 180 running Prime or Seti. I'm using the C10 bios. I think the board sucks or the chipset does. It feels like a kids toy. Yeah real fun to play around with all the setting if you keep your FSB under 175. It's a good board for noobs to play with. For real hardcore overclocking my Epox 8K3A+ takes this board to the cleaners. It's a cheap ass chipset Nvidia made to uncut Via and it shows. It's a great board for OEM's to run at 166/166 and that's it.
Perhaps I have a bad board, but then again almost everyone has a bad board but a few.
I have a rev 1.0 8RDA+ and have it running at 8.5x225 stable. The thing I have found out is, it seems to want to be burned in every few FSB steppings after 190 or so FSB. It has taken me a few weeks to achivie this setting and be stable. I had to do pretty much a 24 to 48 hour burn in every 2 or 3 steppings after 195FSB. But at least I am stable at 225FSB.
Also, I have found out that running the system at "optimized" like they say to run after 190 or so FSB speed makes my system totally unstable. I just went to "expert" and started tweaking the system that way.
Right now my weak link is not the MB or CPU, but the old OCZ PC3000 crap ram I am running. I am going to be going with either XMS PC3200 or Samsung PC3200 2x256MB shortly after christmas, so I will have to do this all over again, but at least my memory bandwidth will be a lot better then what it is now. Even at 225FSB with this junk, I am just barely over PC3200 scores.
Here is my WCPUID screenie:
RacerX
12-23-2002, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by TechTones
I totally agree with Intox,
The board sucks for stable overclocking. I was stable at 200/200
with a 2400+ at 2300 that does 2500, TwinMOS PC3200 that does 223 at 200, but that didn't last long. Running Seti, the system rebooted after 20 min. At 195 it rebooted. At 190 it rebooted.
It wasn't even stable at 180 running Prime or Seti. I'm using the C10 bios. I think the board sucks or the chipset does. It feels like a kids toy. Yeah real fun to play around with all the setting if you keep your FSB under 175. It's a good board for noobs to play with. For real hardcore overclocking my Epox 8K3A+ takes this board to the cleaners. It's a cheap ass chipset Nvidia made to uncut Via and it shows. It's a great board for OEM's to run at 166/166 and that's it.
Perhaps I have a bad board, but then again almost everyone has a bad board but a few.
Well 11 hours into prime95 with the OC in my sig. Its seems I must have a good toy to play with. Matter of fact I bet it will take your 8K3A+ to the cleaners.
Most likely you had yourself a bad chipset on your 8RDA+. Not every board is created equal.
glock19owner
12-23-2002, 07:05 PM
Just too add something to my above post. I have been reading of a lot of people saying that their NB HS has been very hot, hot enough to blister them when running over 190FSB. The people having problems might want to check the temps of their NB when OCed that high. Me personally, mine stays pretty cool even at 225.
Also, I did forget to add my specs. I am running a unlocked XP2000, with a V9 HSF. Also crap OCZ PC3000 ram and a Maxtor 80G ata133 7200 RPM with 8MB cache.
RacerX
12-23-2002, 07:06 PM
glock19owner, if you don't mind I would like to see a 3dmark bench at 225fsb. Highest I can achieve is 215 but I ran prime95 at 220fsb for 6hrs yesterday just for laughs.
I installed a vantec copper iceberg heatsink/fan on the northbridge and a small copper heatsink, no fan, on the southbridge. It must be in the chipset.
glock19owner
12-23-2002, 07:09 PM
225FSB 3D Mark (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5403422)
The score is strickly stock on VC and no riva turner tweaks. The ram is what is holding me back since it is a pretty poor performer on bandwidth.
This is also on a GF3 Ti200.
RacerX
12-23-2002, 07:12 PM
Nice, I see your using a G3. I wonder if you had a G4 if you could duplicate it. I have a Hercules 9700 Pro arriving soon. Hoping that it will get me to 225+.
thanks for the link.
btw, your low bandwidth is not caused by your ram but in the Epox registry. It seems once you lower your muliplier under 10x it changes a register with in registry that gives you the lower memory scores. Its true cause with my XP1800 I lowered my fsb to 9x224 and couldn't break 3400mb/s but now with my XP2400 at 10x I can easily hit 3500mb/s.
TechTones
12-23-2002, 07:14 PM
Racer,
so you have a good board. tell that to the countless others who can't run 3dmark or Prime on this board at 200 and over.
You'r board is most likely the exception. If it wasn't we'd be hearing of tons of people OCing this board high and running Seti and 3dmark on it. One boards does not a production make.
RacerX
12-23-2002, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by TechTones
Racer,
so you have a good board. tell that to the countless others who can't run 3dmark or Prime on this board at 200 and over.
You'r board is most likely the exception. If it wasn't we'd be hearing of tons of people OCing this board high and running Seti and 3dmark on it. One boards does not a production make.
Yup your correct. Sorry for the snobie remark. I've heard others not being able to reach 200fsb sync without getting the screen flashes.
Seems like the KT400 chipset. Some get good ones or like myself had 3 very bad ones.
btw, my 8rda+ is a rev.1.0
Maybe your right TT, maybe there are alot of bad boards... I dunno. I have run 3dmark at 220 myself.
TechTones
12-23-2002, 07:33 PM
Yes I was able to run 3dmark once at 210, then I tried to run Seti and it rebooted in 20 min. Prime wouldn't run either. 200/200 dual was NOT stable at all. Single was better but still no Seti or Prime or looped 3dmark. I'm considering trying another board, but something tells me it more the same.
I still get a cheap Mickey Mouse feel to this chipset. :D
glock19owner
12-23-2002, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by RacerX
Nice, I see your using a G3. I wonder if you had a G4 if you could duplicate it. I have a Hercules 9700 Pro arriving soon. Hoping that it will get me to 225+.
thanks for the link.
btw, your low bandwidth is not caused by your ram but in the Epox registry. It seems once you lower your muliplier under 10x it changes a register with in registry that gives you the lower memory scores. Its true cause with my XP1800 I lowered my fsb to 9x224 and couldn't break 3400mb/s but now with my XP2400 at 10x I can easily hit 3500mb/s.
Actually it is the memory becasue it has never given me very good memory bandwidth on any of my boards. And I actually get better memory bandwidth at this setting then default. Default I am too embaressed to even mention the bandwidth.
glock19owner
12-23-2002, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by TechTones
Yes I was able to run 3dmark once at 210, then I tried to run Seti and it rebooted in 20 min. Prime wouldn't run either. 200/200 dual was NOT stable at all. Single was better but still no Seti or Prime or looped 3dmark. I'm considering trying another board, but something tells me it more the same.
I still get a cheap Mickey Mouse feel to this chipset. :D
Just curious TT, have you tried what I mentioned...when going past 190 or so FSB, taking the time and burning the CPU and memory in for 24 to 48 hours then upping it a few more Mhz and doing the burn in again?
So far that is the only way I was able to get over 200+ stable.
My personal goal is to hit 230FSB with this OCZ crap, just not sure if it will handle it since the dimm voltage wont go past 2.85 in reallity.
Drozdov
12-23-2002, 07:42 PM
no its proven at aoaforums that if u put multi below 10x it degrades memory performance.
TechTones
12-23-2002, 07:43 PM
I did notice it had to "dialed in and used" for a certain FSB and setting to used again. But, another reason I think my board is bad is the hard drive performance is SO sluggish and unresponsive. Know how apps flash open pretty quickly on other boards? The system idles for a like 14 sec before the browser opens up. Apps take longer then usual to open. The 2,0 drivers were the worst. The older ones were better. My HD Tach scores were like 24000, on a 30 gig7200 ATA 100 WD drive. Very slow. In fact, when I tried to bench the drives using Sandra, it would nver complete.
glock19owner
12-23-2002, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by TechTones
I did notice it had to "dialed in and used" for a certain FSB and setting to used again. But, another reason I think my board is bad is the hard drive performance is SO sluggish and unresponsive. Know how apps flash open pretty quickly on other boards? The system idles for a like 14 sec before the browser opens up. Apps take longer then usual to open. The 2,0 drivers were the worst. The older ones were better. My HD Tach scores were like 24000, on a 30 gig7200 ATA 100 WD drive. Very slow. In fact, when I tried to bench the drives using Sandra, it would nver complete.
Thats sounds like what was going on with me at first, then when I started the burn in process, the system seemed to get faster. I dont have that long delay anymore and my apps open up just as fast as with my 8KHA+, but since I dont have HD Tach installed right now, I cant give you a perfomance setting of it.
And Droz, I don't trust AOA very much. Everything they have said makes my system totally unstable and when I posted about what I did getting my system running at 225FSB, with pics of the BIOS and WCPUID, they said I was full of sh*t and that there was no way I could of actually gotten my 8RDA+ to work at those settings. Then either a ET or Daniel (power freak mod) deleted my thread and I was banned.
Drozdov
12-23-2002, 11:03 PM
yeah they banned ExtremeAMD for voicing his opinions and didnt break one rule...anyways i did a test comparing 9.5x200 and 10x200 and i got a 34 point loss in sandra memory benchmark...dont have pics since i now have this intel rig and my HDD is formatted.
TechTones
12-23-2002, 11:13 PM
I think one of my posts got deleted. I mentioned how Daniel from AOA forums has a child's brain and that he is an example of how power corrupts. I can't find it now. Strange
glock19owner
12-23-2002, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by Drozdov
yeah they banned ExtremeAMD for voicing his opinions and didnt break one rule...anyways i did a test comparing 9.5x200 and 10x200 and i got a 34 point loss in sandra memory benchmark...dont have pics since i now have this intel rig and my HDD is formatted.
Yea, I heard you had a pretty nasty accident with the 8RDA+...that sucks...sorry to hear about that...
But my question is, what BIOS where you using at the time? I am curious becaseu I have heard some of the newier BIOS are giving better bandwidth now at lower multi.
glock19owner
12-23-2002, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by TechTones
Daniel from AOA forums has a child's brain and that he is an example of how power corrupts.
I just had to add that he seems to be a wannabe tech, but what is really funny, he is far from being a ET, or any tech for that matter.
I honestly still am not totaly sure if I actually got banned for the thread I posted or letting a higher member know a few things after he called me a poor OCer.
Justintoxicated
12-24-2002, 01:44 AM
lol, ok we all hate aoa forums i rememeber when they bashed me because my 8k3a+ would not run stable at 166 FSB, they told me dont say its because the board is bad or that it does not clock high and banned me saying my PSu was no powerful enough even though i posted i was using a 550 watt enermax...Some really comedy in that post...of coarse the edited the post so that it looked like i was in the wrong, so glock, join the club :).
4 days later the stock NB sink fell off ontop my GF4 4600, luckily no harm was cause and i had already bought the zalman, but i was not going to put it on if the motherboard was bad, turns out this solved the problem, i knew the NB could be part of the problem since adding voltage to the memory was helping it to run..but there was no reaosn to ban me for not being happy with the MB and asking questions about stabelizing the memory and NB...
Although it seems to be stable at 190 fsb now....still looping prime 95 since this morning...Not sure why i can't hit higher speeds, i have a few things to try though, so i will test them as soon as im gauranteed stability at this speed. :toast:
Galifrey
12-24-2002, 01:56 AM
http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12618
hehe yep he does get a bit "holier than thou"
Bravo
12-24-2002, 02:06 AM
Dont turn this into an AOA bashing thread. What kind of people are you to turn around, and abuse a guy simply because you dislike him? Leaving/ignoring whatever problems AOA has, makes you a better person then one who abuses it.
Now,
I have had no problems with my Epox. Got a Tbred 1800, TwinMOS PC-3200, and an 80gb Baracuda IV.
http://bravo.ausgamers.com/Epox/mem4.gif
256mb PC-3200 TwinMOS @ 224mhz @ 2-2-2-5 @ 2.9v
Justintoxicated
12-24-2002, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by Sinnah
Dont turn this into an AOA bashing thread. What kind of people are you to turn around, and abuse a guy simply because you dislike him? Leaving/ignoring whatever problems AOA has, makes you a better person then one who abuses it.
Now,
I have had no problems with my Epox. Got a Tbred 1800, TwinMOS PC-3200, and an 80gb Baracuda IV.
How long do you pass prime 95 at those speeds?
Drozdov
12-24-2002, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by glock19owner
I just had to add that he seems to be a wannabe tech, but what is really funny, he is far from being a ET, or any tech for that matter.
I honestly still am not totaly sure if I actually got banned for the thread I posted or letting a higher member know a few things after he called me a poor OCer.
tis the first Beta BIOS that lets u have up to 211fsb
Espen
12-24-2002, 02:19 PM
I have also problems running the 8rda+ above 190mhz with or without 2x data rate. Im using two 256 Twinmos 3200 ram sticks...
:(
Galifrey
12-24-2002, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Sinnah
Dont turn this into an AOA bashing thread. What kind of people are you to turn around, and abuse a guy simply because you dislike him? Leaving/ignoring whatever problems AOA has, makes you a better person then one who abuses it.
Havent abused him at all, just saying he gets a bit holier than thou...
feedback is the break fast of champions :D
Justintoxicated
12-24-2002, 03:27 PM
ok prime 95 passes at 190x10.5 = 1995 MHZ (passed for 26+ hours)
i tested at 192 FSB and prime failed
i raised memory voltage, and prime 95 still failed (should not need to raise voltage on PC3200 C2 corsair anyways)
i changed the multiplier to10 and tested 192x10 and prime still failed.
Fromt hese tests i can conclude that the CPU should definately have more go at only 1920 MHZ when its stable at 1995MHZ
And that the memory does not seem to be the issue.
Thus i conclude that my motherboard sucks.
You guys think i should RMA it or just live with 190 FSB and the knowledge that i will not be able to run a barton...
The only other possibility is that the CPU will not go above 190-191 FSb no matter what MHZ it is run at, but this makes little or no sense.
So far it is stable at 191FSb x 10.5 = 2006 MHZ but it willt ake a day to be sure...
memory timings are 7-3-3-2
CPU = agressive
memory = 100%
TechTones
12-24-2002, 07:42 PM
Intox,
I'm taking one more chance on this board. I rma'ed mine for another one. I'm going to put on a nice big heatsink/fan on the NB and see what happens. Like one guy said and what I noticed is that each and EVERY 1 mhz FSB must be tried and burned in.
Go to 191 and run small things.
Justintoxicated,
Just because you're not able to achieve good overclocking results with your particular board doesn't necessarily mean "8rda+ sucks for overclocking" :)
I remember a day when many folks claimed that the 8K3A was a POS and nowadays I know MANY happy 8K3A owners...myself uncluded...all 3 of em...each board has its tricks & I think its much too early in its life to claim the the 8RDA sux ;)
Drozdov
12-24-2002, 08:24 PM
i will definitely buy the 8RDA+ again if i had the money....great board IMHO...u just gotta know how to use it :D
DaGooch
12-24-2002, 09:19 PM
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=929386
No problems here and folding away 24/7 and playing CS occasionally.
Justintoxicated
12-24-2002, 10:06 PM
191 FSB fails prime in minutes including 191x10 and 191x 10.5
but it is rock solid at 190x10.5
So you all think i don't know how to use it?
I mean i did everything i could think of and i see no reason why I cannot hit 200 FSB if the board is so great...its obviously a problem with the MB ince it makes no difference how fast the CPU is clocked, only what FSB it is run at..The corsair xms PC3200C2 should have no problems reaching 191 FSB
I have tried various setting, such as different memory timings, memory settings (SPD and 100%) I can not achieve good results...So im taking it I just got a crap board? i was hoping this MB would last me untill next summer, but i guess it was a crappy $230 investment (had to buy a raid card also).
if you all think its just me then let me know what im doing wrong
my idle temp is about 37C and under load it peaks around 45C at 1995 MHZ and 190 FSB..It is rock stable at this speed however which makes me wonder why i cannot go higher...
is it possible that its my CPU, and that it is just not possible to achieve high FSB's with these temperatures?
or should i rma the MB for a new one?
If you think it is a problem with the CPU Please let me know
cause otherwise i gotta take off that heavy ass Swiftech 462+ to RMA the MB, if its jsut the CPU ill be happy at 190 FSB since im planning on getting a 200 FSB barton in the future anyways, but if its the MB then this is more serious to me since i plan on using 200 FSB in the future for sure (id like to use it now of coarse)
DaGooch
12-24-2002, 10:22 PM
You might have a bad board. I had a problem of hitting a wall at 190FSB with a 166FSB XP 2600+ chip. I took off the the 166 jumper and away she went to 225FSB with very little effort.
3DMark at 250FSB and memory at 50%:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5346336
3DMark at 225FSB and memory at 100%:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5354858
You may have gotten a bad board. It does happen unfortunately.
Justintoxicated
12-24-2002, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by DaGoochMeister
You might have a bad board. I had a problem of hitting a wall at 190FSB with a 166FSB XP 2600+ chip. I took off the the 166 jumper and away she went to 225FSB with very little effort.
3DMark at 250FSB and memory at 50%:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5346336
3DMark at 225FSB and memory at 100%:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5354858
You may have gotten a bad board. It does happen unfortunately.
Omy my thanks for the info man! that helps im staring at that jumper right now :)
Justintoxicated
12-25-2002, 03:28 PM
removing the jumper enabled me to boot at 200 FSB, but B SODis soon to follow, i have tried various settings...If anyone can help me out with bios settings at this point id greatly appreciate it...I tried raising voltage on memory , lowering raising the CAS to 2.5 & also 3, with no luck, also raised memory voltage with no luck...
Seems that its still the Mb as i get strange poping noises from prime 95, just like i used to on my 8k3a+ before the Nb sink fell off and i replaced it...Im still not sure my Mb can go to 200 FSB,
Im wondering if it could be my CPU, i tested all the same things above at 9x200 , 8x200 instead of just 10x200
Right now it seems stable at 192 MHZ so removing the jumper definately made a hgue difference.
DaGoochMeister why is yur 3dmark so low? i was getting 14500 with the same specs only at 190 FSB & 1995 MHZ
Galifrey
12-25-2002, 04:05 PM
might just be the cache tipping over at 191 fsb, §§§§ happens and all that...
its not like the cache is guaranteed at 191fsb is it....
:D
Justintoxicated
12-25-2002, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Galifrey
might just be the cache tipping over at 191 fsb, §§§§ happens and all that...
its not like the cache is guaranteed at 191fsb is it....
:D
Ahh so you think it is the CPU? it is having trouble getting past 190 still , cant get it stable at 192 yet....
TechTones
12-25-2002, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Justintoxicated
Ahh so you think it is the CPU? it is having trouble getting past 190 still , cant get it stable at 192 yet....
Listen Intox,
The sink on the NB sucks. Take it off and use a better one. There is nothing but a small tiny pink square of gum on it. Too small an area to cool it. I'm going to try water cooling mine.
Justintoxicated
12-25-2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by TechTones
Listen Intox,
The sink on the NB sucks. Take it off and use a better one. There is nothing but a small tiny pink square of gum on it. Too small an area to cool it. I'm going to try water cooling mine.
Thanks, but that was the first thing i did, replaced it with a vantec iceburg, also cooling the Sb with an old NB HS...Does not seem to be getting me anywhere...
Still need to decide wether or not to RMA the MB, i will RMA it unless you guys think it is the CPU, im providing as much info as possible...prime failed at 192 FSB, and it did at 191, removing the jumper only allowed me to boot up at 200 FSB but it was not stable....
I seriously doubt it's the cpu , I had a 650 Duron that had no problems at 200fsb. I have yet to run into a Palamino or tbred that won't run at 200fsb and I have tested a lot of chips. I guess it could be possible but I doubt it. I think it's your ram your motherboard or something else. Did you ever get your 8k3a+ stable at 200fsb?
Justintoxicated
12-25-2002, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Wolf
I seriously doubt it's the cpu , I had a 650 Duron that had no problems at 200fsb. I have yet to run into a Palamino or tbred that won't run at 200fsb and I have tested a lot of chips. I guess it could be possible but I doubt it. I think it's your ram your motherboard or something else. Did you ever get your 8k3a+ stable at 200fsb?
no i gave up unlocking the CPU after i realized my conductive pen was just not working, and my copper paint (which DOES work) dried out.
Since i was upgrading to this MB i decided to run it in spec at 11x166
I was running a 1.2 Athalon on it for a while ay 185 FSB though, so this board does nto seem much faster, perhaps i need to RMA it, i mean why not? i have to RMA about 50% of everything i buy because it sucks or is DOA, perhaps i need another hobby :(
Originally posted by Justintoxicated
i have to RMA about 50% of everything i buy because it sucks or is DOA, perhaps i need another hobby :(
Man...... I DO understand the DOA RMA, but people here throw just about everything, that wouldn't run like wild for a RMA... damn, I wish you could live for an year or two in a Country like mine, where things like "It's not running 186+FSB" or "that CPU won't do 2GHz on AIR" won't help somebody to RMA something not a little bit...
How do you recognise something for it "to suck"??
When It's not running high out of spec or what?
Nowhere it's mentioned, that EVERY NF2 board should run 200MHz+ FSB or even better..... and if it ain't -> RMA!
That sucks for sure... :rolleyes:
Nothing personal, just some of my thoughts.....
Justintoxicated
12-25-2002, 10:17 PM
no its because i have over 100 $ invested on cooling the CPU and MB and people wth no cooling can stilol run 200 FSB sable...
Most people can go beyond 200 FSB
Now im not even stable at 190 because windows tried to repair itself while i was in the bathroom. So i decided to pull te enire system apart and take a look at things, Contact Epox for an RMA (i complained about not being able to install the GF4 4600 correctly)...im hoping to get an RMA number soon, in the meantime i will wipe out my HD again and continue testing...
Im not going to RMA a CPU because it did not clock to 2000 MHZ, it would e disapointing but not that bad. however if the Mb i bught does not run at what it should, then i will not be able to run a barton CP when they come out cause thats what im planning on buying next.
Bravo
12-25-2002, 10:33 PM
Errrr....most users throttle up to a safe FSB then jump into the 200 FSB range. My epox does not post if i jump straight to 9.0x 220mhz FSB. I usually load up 9.0x 200 (wont boot any higher) and change after i've restarted.
Justintoxicated
12-25-2002, 11:50 PM
i sceen plenty of posts of people boasting about booting at 200 FSB and over...Im interested in links to more bioses since im jsut using the one on the epox website the c10 one, is that the rght bios?
QuadDamage
12-26-2002, 12:48 AM
i don't like epox boards at all. i have two of their 8k9a2+'s which don't exactly do what i expected them to. it'll work fine at 180fsb, then reboot and windows is gone:( however, it'll work fine at 200fsb, 201,202, 203 - no boot, 204 - corruption, 205 stable. lol. 206 and "windows/system/config/sys32 not found or corrupted, attemp to repair it by hitting "r" key at first boot screen" it's kinda annoying when you have to reinstall+format everything just because you chose "bad" fsb frequency...
mdzcpa
12-26-2002, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by Justintoxicated
Most people can go beyond 200 FSB
Not with NF2 boards they don't. Most go about 188-194 for day to day 24/7 purposes. Actually, I see very few 200+ FSB settings for 24/7 use on NF2 boards. There are definitley reports of it, but they are the minority. This is especially apparent is if you hit a site like NforcersHQ forums.
Don't be comparing yourself to the 200mhz FSB standard for determining whether you have a bum board. Sounds like your board is actually very typical of what you can expect. However, some boards do perform better, so an RMA might get you a better board.
I've been through a good handful of NF2 boards now...for myself and for clients. Most of them could make great bansi runs above 200mhz, but all but one failed to pass long term 200+ speeds for 24/7 uses running multiple apps, games, etc.
About the 200FSB 24/7 - With that 8RDA+ 1.0 here I can run like that forever I'm sure.... for now that's the highest running DualChannel DDR...
Justintoxicated
12-26-2002, 02:44 PM
i still have sceen many Nforce2 boards runnign 200 FSB and prime 95 stable, and this is with stock cooling (that crappy thermal pad and crappy HS) I have Vantec iceburg, and it Should make a difference, my iceburg does seem to get pretty hot. Even AMD gamer just plugged his 1.0- board in without even removing the Nb sink and went right to 200 FSB without any hitches. I have been working with mine for a long time now.
For some reason i now can not re-install windows 2000. When i use my raid card drivers it tells me error 4096 at line 1211 File htp374.sys caused an unexpected error in D:\nt\ntos\boot\setup\oemdisk.c Damn buggy windows c programers!
I have no idea why and i have DLed the drivers on 3 different disks now witht he same error msg... it worked right away the first time i installed windows, why would i get an error all of a sudden? I tried all kinds of stuff but i dont know what to do now because i cant change the file on the windows 2000 CD..
Strangly enough after i compleatly disassembled the board and re-assembled the board last night, my instability at 190 and below that suddenly appeared after windows tried to fix itself while i was not int he room, has disapeared again so i dont think my windows is corrupted...
but if it was, well, i can't re-install windows anyways because of this driver error! So its only a matter of time now...Im going to try testing higher FSB's again, although iceburg was locked on there nicely anyways i reinstalled it also...
Henry
12-26-2002, 02:59 PM
TodB : Sync or Async memory ?
well the system clock is 1/2 the value...doing the math on the multi, it looks like synch to me.
Justintoxicated
12-26-2002, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by muzz
well the system clock is 1/2 the value...doing the math on the multi, it looks like synch to me.
yea i also only have 1 stick of ram, do i need 2 sticks to achieve 200 FSB?
So i guess i will have to buy another MB before i get a barton CPU, that really sucks, unless of coarse epox actualy emails me back (they only seem to respond 50% of the time)...
SO i really should have just kept my 8k3a+ cause the differences are negligable for an additional 240$ is what i spent on this raid-8rda+ combo....where as my $80 8k3a+ would have preformed only a couple hundread 3dmarks behind...Thats why i feel it would be worth an RMA, the difference are not worth an extra $240
185 FSB on 8k3a+ all the way up to 190 FSB on 8rda+...5 FSB is not worth $240 thats why i say the 8rda+ sucks for overclocking...
Originally posted by Henry
TodB : Sync or Async memory ?
It's async because that memory ( TwinMOS DDR333 ) won't run higher than 220MHz@2.9V ( 2.85V actual )... If I only had that HyperX PC3500 that I had for thesting not long ago... :rolleyes:
Anyway if we're talking about sync - 220MHz DC are inside with that 2x256MB TwinMOS DDR333... and I haven't even removed the NB heatsink.... the Tt SmartFAN II is blowing on the CPU and on that NB sink also...
Henry
12-26-2002, 04:09 PM
So you can run at 220 FSB with sync memory ? Can do 3dm2k1 at that fsb ?
Thanks !
Justintoxicated
12-26-2002, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by TodB
It's async because that memory ( TwinMOS DDR333 ) won't run higher than 220MHz@2.9V ( 2.85V actual )... If I only had that HyperX PC3500 that I had for thesting not long ago... :rolleyes:
Anyway if we're talking about sync - 220MHz DC are inside with that 2x256MB TwinMOS DDR333... and I haven't even removed the NB heatsink.... the Tt SmartFAN II is blowing on the CPU and on that NB sink also...
So you can loop prime 95 for 24 hours at that speed? See this would have been worth $240 upgrade, then i would see some noticable differences between this baord and my 8k3a+. he didn't even remove the stock HS yet! 5 FSB just isn't worth it...Oh well at least my xmas money will cover my stupid purchase :rolleyes:
Well, don't have the time for that....
Running really late on my EPoX 8RDA+ review, also my two new Articles on Gigabyte R9700Pro.... If I got like 20min I'll do one run.... but for now.... looping Content Creation Winstone 2002 like crazy @ 200/200.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Justintoxicated
12-26-2002, 04:32 PM
blah that score means nothing to me then, Stability is always #1 in my book. I CAN also boot at 200 FSB, but soon as i start prime 95 come the fatal errors and BSODs.
If you get a chance to run prime 95 for at least 24 hours, then please let us know your results.
I'm getting that 8RDA+ back to the Supplier tomorrow.... no chance for 24 Hours of prime95..... not right now...
That CC Winstone score means nothing to me too, I'm not running that suite for stability or my personal pleasure, but for my review.... also Business Winstone 2002, FlaskMPEG, 3D MARK2001 etc. etc. :smileysex
Henry
12-26-2002, 04:49 PM
TodB, can it do 3dm2k1 at 220 fsb sync ? Yes or No ?
Thanks.
RichBa5tard
12-26-2002, 05:27 PM
That's not the limit yet. It seems to run sisoft & superpi w/o errors, let's see whether it runs prime. This is dcddr:
TechTones maybe you are getting"sluggish" performance out of your hardrives because of the 2.0 nv sw ide drivers.... did you install those?
BTW I'm running 215fsb prime right now.
Started around 8:30 ish.........
Method Man
12-26-2002, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by RichBa5tard
That's not the limit yet. It seems to run sisoft & superpi w/o errors, let's see whether it runs prime. This is dcddr:
What kinda of cooling do you have on the NB and SB? :stick:
RichBa5tard
12-26-2002, 05:58 PM
Northbridge: dangerden chipset waterblock
Southbridge: epox passive (northbridge)heatsink with fan blowing ontop of it.
Edit: 237FSB seems to be unstable for heavy benchmarking. 230fsb is prime/3D mark stable though.
I dunno it's been about an hour at 215 fsb running prime... at 2370mhz ( stock is 2083). so far so good...........
I feel like the energizer bunny.. it keeps going and going..............:D
What's your SuperPi time at 215(2370)?
Must be in the 42s-46s range.
Dunno I only did it once, I forget the speeds I tested at but I believe it was 46 or something like that.
OK I just did it ( with prime running) and got 44
I didnt shut anything down. I just ran it.
SoulEdge
12-26-2002, 07:26 PM
I heard that the 4 mounting holes around the cpu socket on some boards were off-center. Can you guys w/ the 8rda+ comment on yours because that will really mess things up if they are...
I can only speak for MY OWN BOARD, TBO I really think that issue is WAY overblown IMHO, I had that discussion b4, and well...... I'll leave it at that.
I have a Z4 waterblock, and when I took it off the AS imprint was dab smack in the middle.
Hope this helps
muzz
Justintoxicated
12-26-2002, 08:19 PM
mines centered also, no problems with the 4 mount holes, I found i really do prefer them over the clip. Swiftech 462+ installed very easily..
Im currently thinking it is a BIOS issue, what is the best bios im using the C10...Someone at hardforums posted they were able to clock to 200 FSb with teh stock bios, then after switching to the C10 they could not even clock at 200 FSB...
heres what i got off one run (not after a fresh boot ) for my score right now
http://members.cox.net/justintoxicated/pcmark.jpg
http://members.cox.net/justintoxicated/newsystem.jpg
Well I run that 8RDA+ with the c16 BIOS and was working really well for me here...
xtreme
12-27-2002, 07:14 AM
hmm mine won't boot > 210 FSB with 1 corsair ddr433 stick :/ put also a fan on the heatsink... tried with NO pci cards and with a big ventilator in front of the comp... NO chance :(( Have the 1.1rev and run 200sync stable, but when i see some ppl who run ~ 225 sync w/o problems, i feel little disappointed...
xtreme
SKATAN
12-27-2002, 07:21 AM
Well I just got MY 8rda+
havent tested high FSB yet , but at the same fsb I can tell you that its faster than my fully wpcredit tweaked 8k3a BY a good 400~500 points (8k3a needs +20~25 fsb to match same performance) so it´s faster than I expected
this is at fsb 166 and as you guys know the diference may be smaller at high fsb since epox tends to slower stuff when high fsb are used (and that problem can be corrected with setfsb on 8k3a with wpcredit )
The only thing im complaining about this mobo is im not getting the nic to work (tryed every setting in the bios)
Installed Nforce2 2.00 drivers and the ones that came with the CD
installs , sends but doesnt receive packets :mad:
any pointers on this ?
by the way , fastest and most overclockable bios ?
thankz in advance
8rda+ rev1.1
Hey SKATAN, ltns. Would you recommend the swtiching from the 8K3A to the 8RDA+ yet? I'm thinking about it. I bought a cheap refurb ABit KD7 to play with for now...I'm interested in if its much better than the 8K3A :)
TechTones
12-27-2002, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by N8
Hey SKATAN, ltns. Would you recommend the swtiching from the 8K3A to the 8RDA+ yet? I'm thinking about it. I bought a cheap refurb ABit KD7 to play with for now...I'm interested in if its much better than the 8K3A :)
Hiya N8 :banana:
I had both boards. I RMA'ed my old 1.0 8RDA+ for a new one.
So far, I think the 8K3A+ is a much better board. I can do a fsb of 223 on it. But, of course the PCI is way out of spec. The mem scores were better on the rda of course especially in dual mode.
Now, I have a water chipset block coming and I think the Nb needs it. I'm also going to put a sink/fan on the SB too.
If the rda would run Prime stable for me at say a 220-230 FSB in dual mode, then I'll say the N2 isd a better board. For now the 8k3a+ still rocks heavy.
TechTones,
I love my 8K3A...that's why I've had it for so long :)
The only reason I bought the KD7 is because it was so cheap & to prove to some non-believers that I actually would own an Abit board ;)
I'd bet if the 8K3A had selectable cpu fast command in the most recent BIOS's I wouldn't even consider getting rid of it :D
Bravo
12-27-2002, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by TechTones
If the rda would run Prime stable for me at say a 220-230 FSB in dual mode, then I'll say the N2 isd a better board. For now the 8k3a+ still rocks heavy.
I would call you a greedy, ungrateful bastard. Ever consider pointing the finger at your memory for errors? :D
Comparing the 8RDA+ to the 8K3A is really no contest:
1. Unified Driver package (no Via 4 in 1 bull§§§§).
2. High Quality Sound/Lan options (both are easily worth 35 - 50 USD on a seperate stand alone card).
3. PCI:AGP Lock
4. No AGP Tearing at any FSB speed.
5. Dividers for FSB:Mem.
6. Better memory efficiency and throughput.
7. Clock for Clock, the nForce 2 is the fastest AMD DDR chipset to date.
Its not all beans tho, you are correct. Stability is linked to Northbridge/Southbridge. Cooling them is no problem (Epox have provided mount holes for both).
TechTones
12-27-2002, 07:39 AM
My TwinMOS PC3200 does 223 2-2-2-5, so it wasn't the ram that bogged me down. I think the NB needs major cooling for a good high Prime stable system.
I couldn't run Prime at 190 :eek:
1) VIA 4in1 is a unified driver package.
2) WGAF....LAN would be nice tho :)
3) Dont make much diff if ya can't run the same high FSB's as the 8K3A...not saying that u can't.
4) See #3.
5) Asynch on AMD is worthless...kills performance.
6) In theory, no NF2's on top of the ORB yet ;)
7) See #6.
All in good fun :)
Hardass
12-27-2002, 07:41 AM
Anyone have a link to download superpi?
Bravo
12-27-2002, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by TechTones
My TwinMOS PC3200 does 223 2-2-2-5, so it wasn't the ram that bogged me down. I think the NB needs major cooling for a good high Prime stable system.
I couldn't run Prime at 190 :eek:
My TwinMOS 3200 did 220 @ 2-4-2-5-2-2CMD rate in my old KX7. The memory scores on this nForce @ 205mhz (even with the buggered microcode for multi's below 10) are blowing away my scores @ 220 on the KT333 chipset.
I dont disagree with you however. It was only after lapping the Northbridge, the northbridge cooler, and adding a chipset cooler to the southbridge, did i notice any stability at all (the system would frequently blue screen, or fail after minimal use).
Yea, I'll be very interested to see what some supercooling to the NF2 NB will do.....I'm sure someone'll do it soon :)
Henry
12-27-2002, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Sinnah
The memory scores on this nForce @ 205mhz (even with the buggered microcode for multi's below 10) are blowing away my scores @ 220 on the KT333 chipset.
What's your bandwith at 205 FSB ?
Originally posted by Hardass
Anyone have a link to download superpi?
You got PM.
Hardass
12-27-2002, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by Jeff
You got PM.
Thanks Jeff!:)
Well N8 as far as it leading the AMD orb goes..... it has 2 scores in the top five, and the people above it ( randi/opp) have prommie cooling, and/or pelts on their 9700...........
They are running much faster speeds because of superior cooling, 150-250mhz faster, not to mention they are cooling the 9700 much better and are running that 40-60+ faster than us ( again superior cooling).......... , so don't forget to figure that in :D , as we both know that will make a big difference.
I wish I had a prommy and at least a 156w pelt for my RADEON.... things may be different.......:eek:
N8, my 8RDA+ at 200x12.5 is performing about the same as my 8K9A2+ at 230x11 on SuperPi and PiFast. I'm pretty sure Sandra is crap for nForce2 because of the very low readings it gets... it's almost like Sandra is only testing one DIMM.
At any rate, I would say you will be at least as happy with a 8RDA+ and if you get lucky like muzz... you'll be even more so. ;)
Hehehe...I'm tellin ya...if that thing had 3.2vmem, I'd own the sucker already! :)
I'm also trying the KD7 because I should have FULL mult support with it which will come in handy while folding when I don't need a ton of FSB but want as many CPU MHz as I can get ;)
Working on getting a beta bios that will allow the vdimm as you know........:D , but if that fails I will do what Jeff did and do that mod, as it's pretty ez. I would prefer to have it all in the bios, so I dont have to wonder or hookup another voltage check point.... but I will if I have to...:D , I'm also waiting on a pelt for my 9700... this is one of the reasons I'm not pushing it too hard as far as the mem V goes.... if I already had the pelt, I would have the mod done already, as one without the other is not going to get me where I wanna be.
I'd love to see pics of the mod. I'm not too handy w/ solder, /me loves SMD grabbers & other clips :)
Boy running prime sure is boring at 215............
N8 go to the AMD forum and look under Jeff.. he has pics there.
NO Go on the smd grabbers with this one. must put vr in series with the ic leg, but dont have to lift the leg itself, just cut the trace going to it.
nikhsub1
12-27-2002, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Jeff
N8, my 8RDA+ at 200x12.5 is performing about the same as my 8K9A2+ at 230x11 on SuperPi and PiFast. I'm pretty sure Sandra is crap for nForce2 because of the very low readings it gets... it's almost like Sandra is only testing one DIMM.
At any rate, I would say you will be at least as happy with a 8RDA+ and if you get lucky like muzz... you'll be even more so. ;)
FWIW, the A7N8X gets much better mem scores than the 8RDA+ for some reason, Take a look, same ram (3500 C2 Corsair, 256 MB x 2) and same timings on both (7-3-3-2) and both mem tests taken after a restart. Running Sync Dual Channel. Note how much higher the FLOAT is on the Asus.
http://www.netbetty.com/H20/2008rda.gif
http://www.netbetty.com/H20/200a7n8x.gif
I have seen that nik, must drop timings down for some reason on the rda........ I wish there were some wpcredit tweaks to manually adjust the registers.....
Originally posted by N8
I'd love to see pics of the mod. I'm not too handy w/ solder, /me loves SMD grabbers & other clips :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=77666#post77666
Not a pretty one for sure.
Looks pretty to me.........:D
RichBa5tard
12-27-2002, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by muzz
Boy running prime sure is boring at 215............
N8 go to the AMD forum and look under Jeff.. he has pics there.
NO Go on the smd grabbers with this one. must put vr in series with the ic leg, but dont have to lift the leg itself, just cut the trace going to it.
Sync dcddr, I hope?
Prime runs flawlessly at 230Mhz FSB, but async. :/
I ONLY run synch.. asynch is a waste of time bro.
DC
RacerX
12-27-2002, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by nikhsub1
FWIW, the A7N8X gets much better mem scores than the 8RDA+ for some reason, Take a look, same ram (3500 C2 Corsair, 256 MB x 2) and same timings on both (7-3-3-2) and both mem tests taken after a restart. Running Sync Dual Channel. Note how much higher the FLOAT is on the Asus.
http://www.netbetty.com/H20/2008rda.gif
http://www.netbetty.com/H20/200a7n8x.gif
hmmmmm, maybe my board is magic at 200fsb, cas2,3,3,7.
http://home.attbi.com/~phippy1/200.bmp
You sure your running dual channel on the 8RDA+?
DoGMaN
12-27-2002, 12:13 PM
Wow, nice scores!
nikhsub1
12-27-2002, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by RacerX
hmmmmm, maybe my board is magic at 200fsb, cas2,3,3,7.
You sure your running dual channel on the 8RDA+?
Yep, running DC on both... I have seen similar scores at the same speed too... Your scores at 200 are VERY nice! But you are at 402:D
Sandra report 1 mhz faster than the bios ALWAYS on my 8RDA+ , TBO I haven't benched the mem @ 200 to compare.. I was referring to SEEING that bench on the web......... I didn't waste my time I guess, as I can't find it in my files, and did benches at faster fsb instead........:D
Man prime is boring.........:D
Justintoxicated
12-27-2002, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by SKATAN
Well I just got MY 8rda+
havent tested high FSB yet , but at the same fsb I can tell you that its faster than my fully wpcredit tweaked 8k3a BY a good 400~500 points (8k3a needs +20~25 fsb to match same performance) so it´s faster than I expected
this is at fsb 166 and as you guys know the diference may be smaller at high fsb since epox tends to slower stuff when high fsb are used (and that problem can be corrected with setfsb on 8k3a with wpcredit )
The only thing im complaining about this mobo is im not getting the nic to work (tryed every setting in the bios)
Installed Nforce2 2.00 drivers and the ones that came with the CD
installs , sends but doesnt receive packets :mad:
any pointers on this ?
by the way , fastest and most overclockable bios ?
thankz in advance
8rda+ rev1.1
Try unplugging yur cable modem and pluging it back in after 60 seconds
Justintoxicated
12-27-2002, 12:58 PM
Hey Guys, im still stuck at 190 FSB, my NB is very cool with the iceburg so i dont think that is the problem.
I have a question though, How many of you over 200 FSb have a PCI card in the 2nd or 6th slots? Could this be my problem?
Also for some reason windows2000 shuts down extreamly slow, but boots up way way fast...
What bios are you all using the C10?
AMD gamer was able to boot at 200 FSB untill he updated to the C10 now his is unstable like mine. Could this be the issue? can you link me to a better bios than the C10? Possibly the C16? Any drivers i should pick up that might make a difference?
Epox has not mailed me back yet, man their tech support really sucks...Any other company and my new board would be on its way already...maybe ill drop them another email, they NEVER email me back yesh!
DoGMaN
12-27-2002, 01:12 PM
Epox has not mailed me back yet, man their tech support really sucks...Any other company and my new board would be on its way already...maybe ill drop them another email, they NEVER email me back yesh!
LOL sounds like Asus. :slobber:
Well their mail support might suck, but at AMDMB and AOA they have Techs at those sites answering questions,so I would venture to guess they may have bad mail service, but way better than most in personal question service.
AOAforums have all the bios's there, look for threads on bios's and you'll find all you want.
You may have gotten a lousy clocking board justin( happens in EVERY line of boards or any component for that matter, from EVERY manufacturer). If so you have options.
Justintoxicated
12-27-2002, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by muzz
Well their mail support might suck, but at AMDMB and AOA they have Techs at those sites answering questions,so I would venture to guess they may have bad mail service, but way better than most in personal question service.
AOAforums have all the bios's there, look for threads on bios's and you'll find all you want.
You may have gotten a lousy clocking board justin( happens in EVERY line of boards or any component for that matter, from EVERY manufacturer). If so you have options.
perhaps, and i understand it is my destiny to recieve every single crap product no matter what i buy :) I always seem to get the worst ones, well most of the time anyways...But im still wondering about the PCI card issue i stated above.
And i hate aoa forums because they banned me for saying that my 8k3a+ was not working right (the NB sink was not mounted properly from them int he end) and after calling me name and putting me down they decided to ban me even though i was not bashing epox and i clearly stated that i was not bashing epox cause i wanted to possibly replace it with anotehr epox board.
anyways, any of you people clocking past 200 FSb have a PCI card in the second or sixth slots?
I have to say that I'm very impressed with the US Epox Tech over at AMDMB, that guy(or guys) seem to post quiet often.
Now the ET at AOA... well... let's just say that he's a pompus ass and leave it at that. ;)
I don't have any pci cards in mine, as I have cable ( use onboard nic) , and the onboard sound ( went from a Santa Cruz), and they both work well.
BTW: I think the title of this thread should be " My particualr 8rda+ sucks at overclocking"
Would be more accurate bro.
Sorry your having trouble clocking high with it, but it is doing what the specs say......... which is run 166, it'll do that for 6 months at a time if the os don't crash on ya.
Justintoxicated
12-27-2002, 01:42 PM
wil i have better luck witht eh c16 bios possibly?
Also, still wondering i anyone is using cards in thse 2 slots..I will need to contact epox throughemail in order to estabilish an RMA. I dont think i should have to keep bending my gf4 4600 thats just not cool :rolleyes:
DoGMaN
12-27-2002, 01:50 PM
Why do you have to bend your Ti?
Because it appears as if the RAM clips are knocking parts off of the longer AGP video cards on that board, lol :)
Justintoxicated
12-27-2002, 02:05 PM
yea, thank god i noticed the problem myself before i broke my card since i got this board a while ago...Then i realized i had not installed the ram lol, and had to do it again, and since i have had to redo it about 5 times, im tired of bending my video card this sux!
Someone in this forum posted about how the board was killing cards after i already could have killed mine. I have already RMAed my 4600 3 times and im tired of going without it. i want a rev 1.1!
EDIT: ok i talked to the guy at AMDMB, tried the new bios (same thing happens)
Basicaly he said i would need to buy a new motherboard, so what do you guys recomend replacing it with? should i try another 8rda+ and hope it works properly? This is turning into a very expensive Motherboard upgrade.
Still going............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..
Was getting bored at 215fsb.... so I bumped it up to 220........ which increases the oc also as I didn't touch the multi........ we'll see how it goes.
I'm using relaxed 5-2-2-2 timings..........:D
bigdawginva
12-27-2002, 06:29 PM
I find it interesting that half of the nF2 mobos listed on the ORB's top 8 AMD scores are this Epox mobo. I might have to look into getting one.
DoGMaN
12-27-2002, 06:43 PM
Muzz what kind of ram are you using?
PCGenious
12-27-2002, 07:47 PM
he is using pc3500 corsair xms.
I hear that dawg. and if you notice noone in that group is using a prommie and chiller/pelts to cool the 9700 either.........
you can figure out the rest bud............:D
Ok was getting bored at 220. so I just started it at 225..... we'll see.
Same timings looking good so far.
Bravo
12-27-2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by muzz
Ok was getting bored at 220. so I just started it at 225..... we'll see.
Same timings looking good so far.
muzz, what are your ambient temps?
I left 228 burning over night, and woke up this morning to 32C, and a blue screen :(
Well it seems I got an error at 225...... hmmmmm that blows( maybe the 5222 timings,,).
Well Sinnah the 3 temps from mbm are as of right now ( open case running a 2600/333 ( stock 2083 mhz) at 2475, 1.95v) 40-cpu, 26 system (?) and the other temp which I think is the ambient one is 19. Under 100% load
Thats right now...... I've been running between 2.3+( 8 I think) and 2.475 all day long.
Been running prime all day........ so those are under load all day.
BTW those temps also reflect the gpu wb I have in the same loop... FWIW
Spartacus
12-28-2002, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by Justintoxicated
wil i have better luck witht eh c16 bios possibly?
Also, still wondering i anyone is using cards in thse 2 slots..I will need to contact epox throughemail in order to estabilish an RMA. I dont think i should have to keep bending my gf4 4600 thats just not cool :rolleyes:
Justin,
I have a RocketRaid 404 in slot 2 (from AGP) and a Hauppauge TV card in slot 6.
BTW, I just upgraded my PS from a 400W Sparkle to a TT-520SS. My previous Prime stable was 203FSB, now Prime-ing for the last hour at 210FSB. I think the improvement is a combination of stronger/cleaner power and better cooling with the three PS fans. Of course I don't have the system cover back on yet, that will be the real test. I was always able to Prime a few FSB higher with the cover off.
I posted a message in your thread over on AMDMB too.
Edit: Running C16 BIOS.
Spartacus
12-28-2002, 03:59 AM
Crap....
Cover back on and can't even run 205 Prime stable. Already lapped stock NB heatsink, added AS3 and fan. Looks like I may need a better NB cooler...
Justintoxicated
12-28-2002, 02:34 PM
i tried the C16 bios, and im not stable at ANY high FSB, not even 190 this bios friggin sucks...removed card from the second PCi slot (ethernet) with no imporvements.
i did notice however that my onboard lan does not work either
Right now epox still has not mailed me back it looks like ill have to order another MB, but you gotta do what you gotta do. i dont have alot of money in fact im broke but i need a computer that works, i already blew $240 on a setup that does not work properly. 550 watts is plenty of power.
So it looks like i may have to buy another Mb and throw this one into the junk pile (or the trash). What Mb would you guys suggest? another 8rda+ and hope my luck is better the next time?
Well now that's really bad now - no Ethernet also?
Can't you return it - RMA? That one is definetely for a RMA, that's for sure....
I saw few rev 1.1 boards and they have kinnda different viltage regulators and changed DIMM locks.... nothing more.... but think, that you should go for 8RDA+ rev 1.1 - that's one winner MoBo, you just had bad luck with the current one...
Galifrey
12-28-2002, 03:52 PM
think you will find the c16 bios is 8rda not 8rda+ and doesnt support onboard lan....
RichBa5tard
12-28-2002, 04:03 PM
Don't know where I got it, but this (http://users.pandora.be/colarjo/8rda2c16.zip) c16 bios works for the 8rda+ and does support onboard lan.
xtreme
12-28-2002, 04:12 PM
hmm put some AS III under the northbridge and installed a bigger 60mm fan.. doesnt brought me a ****** mhZ :/
Originally posted by Galifrey
think you will find the c16 bios is 8rda not 8rda+ and doesnt support onboard lan....
If you follow that link:
http://www.epox.nl/english/products/motherboard/a.htm
or here:
http://www.epox.org/products/mainboards
You'll surely notice, that there's no such thing as 8RDA..... only 8RDA+....
RichBa5tard
12-28-2002, 04:49 PM
Todb,
The 8rda does exist. :) The 8rd12c16.bin is for the 8rda, and the 8rda2c16.bin is for the 8rda+.
goldie
12-28-2002, 04:53 PM
I'm not so sure about that. Newegg thinks they have them in stock. Here's a link w/ pic
Newegg pic (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-123-192-02.JPG/13-123-192-03.JPG/13-123-192-04.jpg/13-123-192-01.JPG)
goldie
TechTones
12-28-2002, 05:00 PM
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=8rda
Originally posted by goldie
I'm not so sure about that. Newegg thinks they have them in stock. Here's a link w/ pic
Newegg pic (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-123-192-02.JPG/13-123-192-03.JPG/13-123-192-04.jpg/13-123-192-01.JPG)
goldie
Try to tell that to EPoX Holland or EPoX UK..... at least to fix their web pages...
UPDATE: OK, I got info from first hand... there IS such board as 8RDA....
My Apologies :)
Justintoxicated
12-28-2002, 05:25 PM
i tested with both the c16 bios and c10 no lan, the c16 i used was for the 8rda+ not the 8rda
When i plug the line in it lights up but it won't recieve packets. i have reset the cable modem ect, (brand new modem my toshiba crapped out the other day), works fine off my ethernet card, but i cant use the internet off the Onboard lan...maybe they will let me RMA it...Should i RMA through Epox? or through Access Micro?? (woulda gone newegg but they were out of stock)
DoGMaN
12-28-2002, 06:34 PM
I would RMA it for that fact. Its part of the package that you paid for.