Chilly1 DD kit build up(pic's and movies) 56k Bio hazard

[BB mods's]

Im trying to kill 2 bird's with 1 stone for chilly1,first bird is building the kit,next is brazing since i got elected as teh braze master..Ill have short clip's of brazing,along with a bunch of pic's of the charging and tuneing of the system,gas is r402a,evap is a chilly1 (when it get's here) First pic os of the boxes i got today..many more to follow :) if there is a pic of anything u want just ask me and ill post it.

http://www.snt-systems.com/Uploader/uploads/chupa chupa.JPG

[cold_ice]

We want to see whats inside the boxes, not the boxes itself :p:

[BB mods's]

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Cascade had to get in the pic to!Teh temp meter is mine but chilly1 sold me a new K probe for it :)

[QuikSilver]

How much did he charge you for everything?

[runmc]

Man that is a beautiful kit. :woot: :woot: Very nice Chilly1 :D

[BB mods's]

How much did he charge you for everything?
That's a privet question witch i cant/wont answer..if u want a kit pm chilly1 and ask him for the same kit BB mods's got.

Im loving this kit..gone be nice mounted to my 3.6es :) should hold me over till i get the cascade going :)

[runmc]

How much did he charge you for everything?

Please remember we have no discussion of prices in the open forums. If you want pricing send Chilly1 a PM or check out the "For Sale" Forum if you have enough posts.

[BB mods's]

nice stuff..only 1 thing though that compressor only has a 7 or 8 LRA and is only about as strong as a drinking fountian compressor.
This isent the 1 your thinking of :) this is a much larger unit,10 lra and will suit this build quite nice :)

[QuikSilver]

Sorry about that, I should think before I post something :yepp:

[BB mods's]

10 LRA isnt strong enough niether unless you only want around -10c holding..if that.
Chilly1 told me id be good for -35*c @ 200w with that setup.....

[BB mods's]

Compressor is a Embraco FGS 70HA.If i have problem's ill just slap a 1/2hp copeland in there..rotary style with a extream vac on the low side and make that 402a scream :)

[gclg2000]

:shrug: :poke: :nono:
nice stuff..only 1 thing though that compressor only has a 7 or 8 LRA and is only about as strong as a drinking fountian compressor.

you need atleast 20 to 30 LRA to do any real cooling.

10 LRA isnt strong enough niether unless you only want around -10c holding..if that.

:confused: :nono: :rolleyes:

I've got a chilly1 kit w/ the same compressor and have held nice temp's with mine.

I've also made a single stage w/ the matsush|ta's your getting from ebay and those work well too.

No problems here w/ the compressor i got from chilly1.

To my knowledge chilly has built several single stages for people on this board using that compressor and they have all had nice temps w/ that compressor.



Don't know why he's saying all that, but i think you will be fine using that compressor. It has worked out well for me.

edited by runmc

[runmc]

I've never tried these compressors myself so I can't give my opinion on them. I have gottin tons of stuff from Chilly1 though. If your not happy with it he will replace it. :D

It would be nice if we could keep a wholesome :p: atmosphere in this forum. Thanks for everyones understanding. :woot:

[f00t]

you got a cat from him too? i didnt know he sold kittens

[s7e9h3n]

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Cascade had to get in the pic to!Teh temp meter is mine but chilly1 sold me a new K probe for it :)
Some nice stuff there - can't wait to see results! Is that a fluke 54 or 52? Also, that condensor looks eerily similar to my old wc rad - maybe I should replace my condensor with it:
http://img58.echo.cx/img58/44/condenseside6rb.jpg

[MaxxxRacer]

stephen, the old watercoling rads WERE condensors... ppl used them until they found out they were more restrictive than an elephant drinking through a and IV line :rolleyes:

thats a very nice kit you got there BB.

[s7e9h3n]

stephen, the old watercoling rads WERE condensors... ppl used them until they found out they were more restrictive than an elephant drinking through a and IV line :rolleyes:

thats a very nice kit you got there BB.
LOL...thx for clearing that up for me Maxx - Hmmm, now the question becomes if it would be ok yo use a 3/8 condensor with a 1/4 liquid line (I've been told that it's not) Sorry for hijacking the thread - someone can PM me with the answer if they want to :)

[JSU]

It would be fine ;) . The only thing you have to worry about is a oversized condensor and it doesnt soudn like thats the case.

[BB mods's]

Fluke 52 II,I went nutz over not having the evap so i went ahead and built the whole vapo :( just waiting on the evap now,check mt cascade thread ill be giving a lot of pic's there soon,and ill still have more pic's here + vid of me brazing the chilly1 evap :)

[BB mods's]

http://www.snt-systems.com/Uploader/uploads/vapo1.JPG
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I swear ill give more pic's and movies soon as i get the evap and when im ready to charge/test :)

[s7e9h3n]

WOW, that's mighty impressive! - especially considering it only took you a couple of hours to do :toast:

[BB mods's]

Thank's...im the master at building "stuff" fast..id be gassing it right now if i had the evap :)

Edit..got teh :banana:

[chilly1]

Actually the LRA has little to do with the capacity of a compressor it is the displacment. The compressor in the pic has a 235 watt motor. ZIT has a COP ( Coeffecient of proformance) of 1.2 so teh actual wattage at rating point (-10 R134A0 is 1.2 times the power dissipated by the motor.
LRA has nothing to do with capacity.

[eshbach]

Actualy the LRA has little to do with the capacity of a compressor it is the displacment. The compressor in the pic has a 235 watt motor. ZIT has a COP ( Coeffecient of proformance) of 1.2 so teh actual wattage at rating point (-10 R134A0 is 1.2 times the power dissipated by the motor.
LRA has nothing to do with capacity.

well there's no direct coorelation where you can say "this has more LRA, therefore it has more capacity", but generally inrush current (LRA) is a pretty good indicator of the power of the motor (since it is the rating of maximum current draw)... it goes back to the second law of thermodynamics, really... you can never get more out than you put in.

That compressor is probably about 1/5 HP (guessing) so it should be enough for a little single stage like this, but there's no question that a bigger compressor, like 1/2 HP with about 30 LRA, would give the system more potential capacity.

[kayl]

bb that is a very nice system ya got there, very well built.

[wdrzal]

Actualy the LRA has little to do with the capacity of a compressor it is the displacment. The compressor in the pic has a 235 watt motor. ZIT has a COP ( Coeffecient of proformance) of 1.2 so teh actual wattage at rating point (-10 R134A0 is 1.2 times the power dissipated by the motor.
LRA has nothing to do with capacity.


To add to chilly descriptio LRA is( locked rotor amps), its the maxium current that motor can draw if the rotor becomes locked, it is also usually close to the inrush current you get at start-up.which is 3 to 4 times the run current, RLA (running load amps)

if you are going to estimate hp it is the rla along with the cop that will give you a estimate of hp.

[Activate: AMD]

i've seen people using a drinking fountain compressor (i.e. the 6 or 7 LRA mentioned earlier) getting lower than -10c on an A64, maybe not on a prescott, but..

[eshbach]

To add to chilly descriptio LRA is( locked rotor amps), its the maxium current that motor can draw if the rotor becomes locked, it is also usually close to the inrush current you get at start-up.which is 3 to 4 times the run current, RLA (running load amps)

if you are going to estimate hp it is the rla along with the cop that will give you a estimate of hp.

yes but RLA can never be greater than LRA, so a low LRA is an indicator of a potentially low RLA.

[BB mods's]

Thank's guy's,i feal kinda weird now..i cant find the HP rating on this unit,and im putting this unit on a pressy...so it has to hold a good load.....if it cant do atleast -35@200w i might as well scrap this unit..the compressor chilly1 sent me is a tight fit in the case so i doubt a bigger 1 would fit at all...started out a nice unit..now im just getting depressed about it :( and i dont have a evap yet..my cascade is in pieces....life is teh suck atm :stick:

[runmc]

Come on Bro - Cheer Up!! :surf: Give it a shot the way you have it. If it doesn't work out the way you want, you can move on to "Plan B" :woot:

I'm looking forward to your video :toast: Save me a copy :owned:

[s7e9h3n]

Give it a shot the way you have it.

I wanna see it work without an evap too :p: :woot:

[pythagoras]

Well Chilly1 told you the HP rating of the compressor in this thread ;) Its a 235 watt motor which is 1/3 HP, however that has little to do with the capacity of the finished unit.

The hp rating of a compressor only tells you the amount of electrical power it can impart on the piston.

We are deciding on a HP here from experience alone. What should be done is to calculate the hp required for a given refrigerant with a given displacement and at the discharge and suction pressures we require.

Now that is easily said but difficult in practice.

Regards

John.

[BB mods's]

Gas will be 402a...i made cheap cap evap today just to check it..yea the compressor run's WAY to hot....gas i tested with is 507....no chearing up for me any time soon i fear..the vid will be posted as i said it would :(

[jan]

Hey, the unit is looking very good! Don'T be depressed but test the unit when you have an evap! :)

As runmc said you always can move on to plan b.

[BB mods's]

what's plan B?

[BB mods's]

Pwn!

[jan]

what's plan B?

another compressor?!

[BB mods's]

idk yet...i want to see what it's gona take to get this unit right..i have spent a lot of money on this unit thus far and so far im happy with the look's and stuff..but i cant get over why this compressor is running so hot.

[jan]

maybe to much gas?

[runmc]

maybe not enough gas :shrug: :rofl: :nuts:

[s7e9h3n]

Maybe it's just borked. :wth:

[BB mods's]

had plenty of gas,to much infact,tried many diff charges,250/2hig was where i got some frost,im gona pull the cap tube tomorrow and readjust it,also add a bigger condinsor,and maby add my ultra nice desuper heater,also putting 1 of my 200+ cfm 150mm fan's in it.

[chilly1]

idk yet...i want to see what it's gona take to get this unit right..i have spent a lot of money on this unit thus far and so far im happy with the look's and stuff..but i cant get over why this compressor is running so hot.
It should not run hot at all when I get these done they run a little over 40 C
I need to send you the 10Uf run cap and new starter to replace the doa one.. so no worries.. everything is on the way Sorry the fifth box was missed here..
THe compressor yoy have is used in a whirlpool energy star side by side reefer up to 22 cuft so it has plenty of capacity....

[BB mods's]

It should not run hot at all when I get these done they run a little over 40 C
I need to send you the 10Uf run cap and new starter to replace the doa one.. so no worries.. everything is on the way Sorry the fifth box was missed here..
THe compressor yoy have is used in a whirlpool energy star side by side reefer up to 22 cuft so it has plenty of capacity....


Ill go buy a run cap today,then ill go test this beast at my buddy's AC shop and see what we can come up with. TKS for every thing chilly :) cant wait to try out your evap!

[jan]

his evap and the holddown are great! very easy to mount! :)

[BB mods's]

Yes the mounting kit is verry nice,so nice that i used it to mount a water block last night LOL...i want the vapo done :(

[ScHpAnKy]

Do I dig? Hell ya, I dig.

[chilly1]

Yes the mounting kit is verry nice,so nice that i used it to mount a water block last night LOL...i want the vapo done :(
No worries evap going out now... CALL ME..

[BB mods's]

Im calling im calling... :toast:

[BB mods's]

Ight..i put a new evap on the unit...pulled a good vac on it,then i looked and waited for leak's..every thing was cool so i started it up..compressor is now running much cooler after i removed that big ass blockage in the cap tube,ok..so i started charging...went to 150psi high and 13hig low...teh beast got verry cold verry fast! every thing is good...fluke was telling me i was getting -50*c on the evap,i was happy..then all of a sudden...nothing...evap temp's went up to +4*c in a matter of min's..so i was like...wtf? shut it down..let it settle..fired it up,did the same thing,droped off to -50 then went on the rise,i could hear the liqued in the cap tube but then it would shoot into the evap,get cold and there would be no more liqued making it through the cap tube,just cool gas..so wtf is going on? i have never had this problem b4 and it's bothering me!

[BB mods's]

I swear man..i can build a vapo for a customer or a friend and it's fine...i try to build my self a unit and it has problem's

Chilly,ill try to make it over to ya house some time this year :toast:

[GuGaCoSa]

I think you still have moisture in your system,because i think the r402a isnt that hard to condense,did u already measure your superheat/subcooling?

[s7e9h3n]

I swear man..i can build a vapo for a customer or a friend and it's fine...i try to build my self a unit and it has problem's

Chilly,ill try to make it over to ya house some time this year :toast:
LMK when you go to Chilly's....Maybe then I'll be able to afford shipping to you...lol :p:

[runmc]

Sounds like a restriction in the lines. You need to pull a tripple vac down to at least 500 microns every time. I let my vacuum pump pull down to 50 microns each evac. What's the hurry? I would rather let it pump down three times than to waste refrigerant and have to do it over again.

It sounds like you'll be in good shape once you get it all sorted out. Relax man!! Enjoy yourself - this is "FUN"

Chilly Boy will take care of ya.. :surf: :surf:

[sandman]

Try giving it a bit more refrigerant before you give up.

[BB mods's]

I have a recovery machine :)

[s7e9h3n]

I have a recovery machine :)
A little OT: But does a recovery machine recover 100% of the gas? And does the gas ever get contaminated by, say, the reminants of a prior gas you've recovered? (Well, I guess you can avoid that kinda thing by using separate tanks and/or evacuating them)

[BB mods's]

I have a verry nice filter to filter my gas comming back to my recovery tank and yes it recover's 100% of the gas in the system,the gas im testing with isent 402a..it's 507,ill be useing some of chilly1's special blend in here after every thing is ok :)

[BB mods's]

http://www.snt-systems.com/Uploader/uploads/vapo345.JPG
http://www.snt-systems.com/Uploader/uploads/cold.JPG
Yes my son...after over 2 hour's on the phone with chilly1 and mixing idea's i came up with this :)

[wdrzal]

I have a recovery machine :)


if you didn't do a good evac at first and recovered the refrigerant the recovered freon may contain air or moisture

do a good evac and try fresh freon


did you evac the air out of the recovery tank first?

[BB mods's]

if you didn't do a good evac at first and recovered the refrigerant the recovered freon may contain air or moisture

do a good evac and try fresh freon


did you evac the air out of the recovery tank first?


Yes i did a good evac first,and i pull a vac then purge my can's with nitrogen first then pull a fresh evac on them,got the system pwning now with 1 of my evap's..Just had a BIG mix up with chilly1..lol..i thought he told me he was out of the black cap's that he uses in his evap mounting system so i rushed to homedepot here and had 10 of them orderd for him there in las vegas...damn what a mix up LOL

[gkiing]

yes i heard he was out of enclosures but theyl be done thursday.

[BB mods's]

Yea ill be making them LOL

[gkiing]

awesome, maybe i'll get mine soon =)

[BB mods's]

Im sure u will! Chilly1 said i got to come to his house and help him build some vapo's :( slave slave slave is all i do! lol

[Nosfer@tu]

hehe. I would love to do some slave work for Chilly1 :p

But It also sounds like you know what you are doing.

I hope I can come to the USA with work when we have to clean up the servers over there in a few mounths :D

[chilly1]

hehe. I would love to do some slave work for Chilly1 :p

But It also sounds like you know what you are doing.

I hope I can come to the USA with work when we have to clean up the servers over there in a few mounths :D
Well you gotta come to Vegas for a few weeks for classes!

[BB mods's]

Damn right! Chilly...heh..my problem came back and i found it :) wasent moisture...cap tube IS blocked! i can do a back flush and it will let it flow for a short time then it will stop up,pulled it off and tried shooting some liqued co2 through it at 150psi,i get liqued for a small second then i get gas :) blockage is some where about mid way.

[Nosfer@tu]

I migth take you up on that Chilly1.

but rigth now Im a student at Rosti.com and we only have 3 weeks of holiday. But If they send me to the USA, I WILL take a few days off and come to learn from the Guru :D

[BB mods's]

http://www.snt-systems.com/Uploader/uploads/oc155.JPG

[Waus-mod]

Looks awesome... nice set by chilly

[Crow]

freeeeeeeeze that cpu, looking good though...very nice oc, unit is coming along nice also :)

[Nosfer@tu]

BB´s mods what hardware doe you have??

BTW there is a Cpu-Z 1.29 out now ;)

[BB mods's]

DFI 875p-t,3.6ghz 561 ES x86-64,2 x 512 OCZ VX,ddr booster tk's to Crow ;) Moded fortron 530,6800UE (im not done with it's mod's) and my 9800xt moded all the way that oc and my 4.4ghz oc were on water.

http://snt-systems.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217 card...
http://snt-systems.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50 PSU...
I remember when i wrote that fortron guide :) was good stuff,did over 40 530's in 2 month's

[Crow]

nice rig, good luck in reaching a huge oc :)

[runmc]

I'm sitting here with my Coke and Popcorn waiting for the movie to start. :stick:

[BB mods's]

I'm sitting here with my Coke and Popcorn waiting for the movie to start. :stick:


Drug's are bad mmK :( lol..ill have it as sona s i get a new SD card :) and my evap to braze

[BB mods's]

bb mods's is my idol I think i have a fan :)

[Crow]

changed to capital BB's......lmao

im waiting to see some results too

[BB mods's]

Little obssesd there CROW? :D

[meke]

Hi, nice setup there :toast:

What's the evap temp and the die temp when you reach 280 fsb?

can you please try 270x18?

can you give a screen shot of the speedfan cpu twmp?

regards,

meke

[BB mods's]

Yep...as soon as my block get's here in 1 more day :) All that ocing was done on water.

[IYP]

looking nice...lol jus make sure the cats not in there when you close it up :p:

[perry_78]

Oooh la la, now lets see higher clocks on that :D

Going back a page or two, I know how things go when you do something great for another one, and then they suck bum when its your time :)

Nonetheless nice work, now we have more interesting setups in the x600xt category ;)

[BB mods's]

Ill be TAKING the top spot for a moded x600 pro here soon :)

As for the higher clock speed's i got my 1hp rotary todaytomorrow ill be putting it in the first stage and testing the temp's :)

[BB mods's]

http://www.snt-systems.com/Uploader/uploads/4.7ish.JPG ok i got the vapo togeather with the chilly1 block (im gona edit the vid down to size and the pic's later) this is what i took a ss of,got to 4.9 @ -24*c but it was to much for my psu..it blew so i had to call it quit's.

[Activate: AMD]

dont you mean you had to place an emergency order for a new PcP&C 800w unit ;)


nice job there!

[BB mods's]

looking into a dual 600w server 24pin psu right now,active 4 12v rail's will be so nice :) + they will fit in my pc75b! :slobber:

[BB mods's]

something i just seen,the new cpuz's show my chip as a "D0" when infact it is a J model 561 es "E0"...odd

[IceBawx]

i see 5ghz in your future with a new psu. :D My first XS post, but i've been a long time lurker :p: :toast:

[BB mods's]

I better see 7+ ghz in my future with my cascade and 1.9 v core :slobber:

[n00b 0f l337]

Doubt it. :) Stability that high is so incredibly hard. Fugger only got 7.2 in bios.

[gkiing]

edited out

[BB mods's]

all i want is 7ghz in windows useing clock gen for just long enuff to get a picture! :D

[gkiing]

Try using a digicam that way you can snap it as soon as you get in and dont have to wait to print screen etc.

[BB mods's]

Try using a digicam that way you can snap it as soon as you get in and dont have to wait to print screen etc.


Because i want the link to cpuz's site that say's 7ghz.. :slobber: