My duallie went down for the count...

[Tweaked!]

Just like the title says, one of my xp1600's took the big crap last night. I was tweaking my radeon 8500 and just when I got the best score I've managed to get out of it and I went and hit the "online browser" button, it rebooted. Upon reboot, it kept hanging up when trying to recognize both cpus. After a couple hours of trying to redo my unlocking, trying different setups, etc.. I decided to walk away for the night. So it was completely down all night. This morning I went back at it, trying both cpus seperately. One of them was my testbed for unlocking, so it has been done so many times now that I've worn through the top layer pcb and exposed some of the copper ground. Believe it or not, that's not the one with the issues, but it can't be unlocked anymore.:( The other cpu looks just fine, unlocking paint (rear defogger repair paint) is beautiful, not one even close to another, and still when I pop it in, it won't boot at anything more than 800 mhz. I can't figure that out at all... I would think that if it was bad, it wouldn't boot at all. But then again, I've never killed a XP yet... So with the holidays upon us, I'm going to have to settle for running on just one xp1600 (locked). Hopefully I can recoupe from the holidays quickly in january and spring for a couple xp2100's. Googlegear has them for $88.00 each w/ free shipping. Seems to be the best bang for the buck right now. The xp2200's are going for $146.00, so that's just too much of a difference. And the MP's are just outrageously priced too high.
So needless to say, everyone close to passing me in the stats right now, enjoy the opportunity. :toast:

[Tedinde]

I did that to a 2100xp once. Cut the bridges too deep. I upgraded my dual 1600's also. 3 weeks ago to a pair of xp2000's, same place goovle had the for $78 each shipped.

Im only running them @ 1850mhz though. Im still using the junk SVC g68's the $5 heatsinks. I have a pair of SK7's that should be here monday from SVC. $20 each. Hopefully i can get them down below 60C hehe.

Dam the 2100's are cheap now. Im using a asus board though. And wanted to keep a little lower mult, since i cannot change them on this board. And im not cutting and connecting bridges this time.

I have a pair of 1800 Tbred's coming from Newegg also on monday. Not for the dual rig though. My 1600's are sold in Rigs. So im replacing my 2 xp folding rigs with better chips.

I made my goal of top 20 before Xmas. Yesterday. And going to bust 3000 points today also!!!!. Top 10 is my next goal. so you better get them chips in if you want to join me. !!! just kidding.

good luck though Tweaked!

[Tweaked!]

Thanx Tedinde:) I won't be able to sleep right till I get this beast back up and running properly. Know what I mean;) Plus this will give me the excuse to upgrade:banana:

Btw, what is the factory multi for the 2100's? Wonder if I'll have to flash the bios to the newer one that supports up to the 2600's... I'm not sure what the K7D supported with its original bios.

[majormav]

sorry to hear about ya chip Tweaked but i remember you saying other day that your production was taking a dive and couldent understand it .... was last night incident related ?.... bang for buck here in uk is the 1800tbreds they are rocking got one here folding away ... and well clocked as well .... look forward to your return m8 asap

[Tweaked!]

Originally posted by majormav
sorry to hear about ya chip Tweaked but i remember you saying other day that your production was taking a dive and couldent understand it .... was last night incident related ?.... bang for buck here in uk is the 1800tbreds they are rocking got one here folding away ... and well clocked as well .... look forward to your return m8 asap

I reckon it was related. The rig started to act funny for the last couple of days, ever since I downloaded the Rage3d tweak utility. I was working on getting my 3d mark scores up, and last night was the kicker. Figures, just when I got it up higher than I'd ever gotten it before, it crashed right before I was able to save it:( Matter of fact, got it 500 points higher than before. I highly doubt that the tweak utility had anything to do with it, but then again, I'm no expert.;) But I'll be back!:D

[Preventer]

Originally posted by Tedinde
I did that to a 2100xp once. Cut the bridges too deep.

TIP: Do not cut the bridges... blow the little suckers. READ THIS (http://pub65.ezboard.com/fk7s5amotherboardforumfrm13.showMessage?topicID=35 .topic). I have screwed up an XP 1600 by cutting the bridges to deep, I was directed to this little trick and I have popped the bridges on 2 xp 2000's and 1 xp 1600 using the method explained and it works flawlessly!

[Jeff]

Coming from someone who just lost an XP1700+ Tbred yesterday... it sure is a bummer when this crap happens. :(

[N8]

Sorry to hear about that, Tweaked!.

Curious, why not go for one of the lower-clocked(& unlocked, mind you) Tbreds such as the 1700+ or 1800+ for the duallie? I chose dual 1700+'s as the max mult available will be 12.5 and max FSB will be 150 which will be 1875MHz per CPU & I think with decent cooling that MOST 1700+ & 1800+ Tbred's today will hit it w/o any problems. What do you think? :)

[Tweaked!]

Originally posted by N8
Sorry to hear about that, Tweaked!.

Curious, why not go for one of the lower-clocked(& unlocked, mind you) Tbreds such as the 1700+ or 1800+ for the duallie? I chose dual 1700+'s as the max mult available will be 12.5 and max FSB will be 150 which will be 1875MHz per CPU & I think with decent cooling that MOST 1700+ & 1800+ Tbred's today will hit it w/o any problems. What do you think? :)

Well, I believe there's a update to the bios for the k7d that enables the higher multi's. I'm not sure yet, I'm going to be doing some reading on it. I was shooting for the 2100's just because they're the biggest for the money right now. With the 2100's, they start off at 1.73ghz, but I'm not sure yet of how much overclocking that will allow. If the multipliers don't go any higher, then I'll definitely be looking into those newer tbreds. I haven't had any luck getting this mobo to boot at either the 12.5 multi or the 150fsb. But it ran great at 144x12. I'll let you know what I find out about the bios update.:)

Thanx for the kind words all:D

[Tedinde]

13x mult on a 2100 Tweaked!.

I had a problem before over 12.5x a year ago on a board. I chose the 2000xp for if i ever did just want to unlock then. No cutting to trick them into being 1600xp's like i used to do on 2100's. too much work.


Hmm blow the bridges. Seem like a good idea, and easier than a dam engraver. I screwed up a 2100 with an engraver before.

Anyone on here tried it??? With just blowing the bridges??

[Tweaked!]

What's the multi on the xp2400 and xp2600 then? I was just reading the MSI site and the bios v1.5 adds support up to those. But it only shows the settings as 133xauto. So that still doesn't actually confirm that they run or o/c properly though.

[Preventer]

Originally posted by Tedinde

Anyone on here tried it??? With just blowing the bridges??

Yep I have blown the bridges on 2 xp 2000's and 1 xp 1600. I was leery at first but I tried it and it is so simple to do. So no more cutting bridges for me, I just blow'em. Nice thing when you blow em, it looks just like the factory laser cuts.

[majormav]

N8 you are right m8 the 1800 tbreds do reach 18-1900mhz quite easily to fold 24/7 on air as i said in my post above got one here doing just that .... depending on room temps for air cooiing 2ghz aint out of reach as ive 3d marked this one above that ..... unfortunately we like to keep house at 25degrees so its a bit warm on pcs running on air

[Stangfrk]

Originally posted by Preventer
Yep I have blown the bridges on 2 xp 2000's and 1 xp 1600. I was leery at first but I tried it and it is so simple to do. So no more cutting bridges for me, I just blow'em. Nice thing when you blow em, it looks just like the factory laser cuts.

What do you mean by "blow'em" I have a 2100 that I'm going to pair up in a k7d after xmas and I want to unlock them. I've never tried to unlock b4. I know making 2 XPs read like MPs is easy, but I don't know about unlocking them. If you say it is simple could you post a link to some instructions. Thanks

[Preventer]

Link is in my first post ;) but here it is again.... BLOW THE BRIDGES (http://pub65.ezboard.com/fk7s5amotherboardforumfrm13.showMessage?topicID=35 .topic). The first time I read this I thought it was kinda crazy... well I tried it and have three unlocked cpus folding away....beats the heck out of cutting them and risking going to deep. All youre doing here is applying a few dc volts 5 or 9 maybe to the bridges and blow em. Read the link I posted and you wont go wrong.

[N8]

Won't blowing the bridges just give him mults up to 12.5x?

That'd actually be undesirable w/ a folding rig as the 2100+'s default mult is 13x & he'll be able to run 13x150 as max clock rather than 12.5x150 w/ the bridge blown.

I still say these Tbred's are the stuff for these duallie's...I've got my 1 1700+ in there so far doin 12.5x150 @ only 1.725v! Fully Prime & cpuburn stable to date.

BTW, Tweaked!...see the update on my duallie progress here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5955 :)

[Stangfrk]

Originally posted by Preventer
Link is in my first post ;) but here it is again.... BLOW THE BRIDGES (http://pub65.ezboard.com/fk7s5amotherboardforumfrm13.showMessage?topicID=35 .topic).

Thanks, I totally missed it the first time. I guess my eyes got too big with the thoughts of an easy unlock :p

[Preventer]

Originally posted by N8
Won't blowing the bridges just give him mults up to 12.5x?

That'd actually be undesirable w/ a folding rig as the 2100+'s default mult is 13x & he'll be able to run 13x150 as max clock rather than 12.5x150 w/ the bridge blown.



Yes unlocking the 2100 would only give up to 12.5x. All you gotta do is hardlock the multi using the bridges and choose the mutli you want...13.5x, 14x etc and hardlock it. The reason I am having to do this, the mobos I am using in my farm will not allow you to change fsb or multi. So what I am doing is blowing and altering the bridges to get my desired speed. For example I took my XP 1600 with a multi of 10.5x and raised it to 12x Xp 1900 status by altering the bridges. This site http://ocinside.de/html/workshop/socketa/tbred_painting.html is handy for choosing the bridges to alter.

[Stangfrk]

Originally posted by Preventer
Yes unlocking the 2100 would only give up to 12.5x. All you gotta do is hardlock the multi using the bridges and choose the mutli you want...13.5x, 14x etc and hardlock it. The reason I am having to do this, the mobos I am using in my farm will not allow you to change fsb or multi. So what I am doing is blowing and altering the bridges to get my desired speed. For example I took my XP 1600 with a multi of 10.5x and raised it to 12x Xp 1900 status by altering the bridges. This site http://ocinside.de/html/workshop/socketa/tbred_painting.html is handy for choosing the bridges to alter.

That is what I'm planning on trying with my 2100. Right now I can't get any mhz out of it by changing the fsb. If I try any speed over 13x133 my computer reboots while in windows, no BSOD, just reboots all the time. I would like to try the higher mults and keep the 133 fsb. Right now my bios will let me go from 13-21x. Will that work if I just unlock it?

[Tweaked!]

Stangfrk, If your mobo goes into the random reboot thing, I doubt it will handle the change too well. it's already showing signs of instability, so you'll probably be lucky to get .5 to 1 higher before something else acts up. Who knows though, never will till you experiment and find out;)

[Stangfrk]

Originally posted by Tweaked!
Stangfrk, If your mobo goes into the random reboot thing, I doubt it will handle the change too well. it's already showing signs of instability, so you'll probably be lucky to get .5 to 1 higher before something else acts up. Who knows though, never will till you experiment and find out;)

All I want to do right now is try my hand at unlocking. I'm waiting on my K7d and another 2100, so I'm not actually going to try any more with this mobo. Plus, I think my house is anti-overclocking. I have three systems and none of them want to work above marked speed. :mad:

[Tweaked!]

Well, thought I'd post an update. I just ordered two new XP2100's today, Googlegear has em for $88.00ea. w/ .50 shipping for the both of them. So, do these 2100's unlock the same as the 1600's? I saw OPP's post on unlocking the 2100's, but his goal was to get lower multi's, I'm only interested in higher one's incase they ever go to something other than the duallie in the future. I'm pretty sure that there won't be any bios multi changing for the K7D with them, it's going to have to run on auto for multi and I'm hoping I'll be able to raise fsb, but no too sure how well that will go. It runs smoothly at 144 when it had both procs, and smoothly at 150 with the now single proc in it.

[Stangfrk]

Let me know how your dual 2100 setup goes, that is what I'm planning on getting in a few weeks. good luck

[Tedinde]

Tweaked! the 2100's

They dont exactly unlock the same as 2000's on down. When you unlock them on some boards you dont get the multipliers you want. You either get real low as in 4.5, 5, 5.5 and 13x and up.

The last 2100 i did. I had to cut L3 and L4 bridges. Cut one one the L10, and then connect the bridges like a xp1600.

That's why i chose the 2000's for mine.

I but i just received 2 tbred 1800's from Newegg. They have them for $67 shipped. Factory unlocked!!!!!!.


http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=19-103-354&DEPA=1

They are running 1840mhz with My usual Ghetto $5 SVC g68's.

If it's not too late you might want to cancel your googlegear order. They probably havnt processed it yet, Go to your order status, and you will see a cancel button.

These unlocked CPU's would be a lot less hastle. With real good cooling they would do better.


And hurry up and get them Tweaked! I am in striking distance of you soon. Get back to folding!!!!! I see your about to bust that 4000 mark!!!! I'll be there in 3 days about the same day as you will. See you there!!!

[Tweaked!]

Thanx for the heads up:) I've gone ahead and taken your advice and ordered the xp1800's. I figure I can always sell them in the classifieds if I want to change up again in the future. Thanx Ted:D

[Tedinde]

I tried them in my dual rig 162fsb for 1863mhz, But i'll probably switch back to my xp 2000's,

Im using a Asus 266-d no 1/5 divider and no Mult settings. I drop my network card any higher cause of high PCI.

But they work no problem in my other boards, any Mult you want, no unlocking. I still had to Jump the L5 bridge to make it an MP though. Same as regular XP's

I tried one of them with an alpha cooler. 205fsb x 9 no problem 1948mhz true. 1.8 volts.

Keeps us informed how they work out.

[Tweaked!]

Will do:)

[DDTUNG]

Tweaked! you won't regret your choice of the 1800+ Tbreds. I am running two of them right now and they both do 2G+ on air, with 1.85V. For folding I keep them at 1.95G for stability.

DDTUNG:cool:

[Tweaked!]

Cool, I'll post my results as soon as they arrive:D

[frozenphil]

Tweaked!, I'm running the same dually board as you as you know. Is there a way to set the FSB higher than 150? On the first I'm ordering another XP2100 to go with the one I already have so I can upgrade my dually and I would like to be able to get more than 1950 out of em.
Thanks.
Phil

[Tweaked!]

frozenphil, I haven't found a way yet, but I'm still looking into it myself. Hopefully they'll release a bios update for the newer 166's, that should enable us to get it up to that at least.:)

[N8]

I am using 1700+ Tbred's in mine & like I said, they max the board out mult/fsb wise. They run the max mult of 12.5 & max FSB of 150, which would be 1875MHz each mind you, stable as a rock @ only 1.725vcore. This is under Thermalright SK-7's & 39CFM Sunon fans. :)

I highly doubt you'll regret your choice :D

[N8]

And BTW, I don't think you'll see a BIOS update for the K7D for the 333FSB CPU's as the AMD 762 doesn't support a 1/5th divider :)

Hopefully this means NEW dual AMD chipsets in the works! ;)

[Tedinde]

I though i might of had you the last update tweaked. I doubt there is no way possible to get close than this to you!!!

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Hope you get your 1800's quick. 2cpu is besting us by 1000 points per day now?? Still cant figure how they stepped on the gas so much lately.

We've been growing more. But i guess 2cpu means 2cpu's in every rig?? hehe.

Im going undercover in their forums now to investigate!!!!

[majormav]

Originally posted by Tedinde


Im going undercover in their forums now to investigate!!!! hehehehe secret agent Tedinde

[Tedinde]

Ahh too late ddtung and privateer are already there stirring the pot!!!hehe