First WaterCooling Setup.

[.sentinel]

I have a AMD Athlon XP 2800 Barton and the stock fan. My Case is Lian Li PC-61 with pictures coming.
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I am hoping to get a quality watercooling setup so it is quieter and cooler. I am looking to spend 150 and under but willing to go up to 200. I do not want a kit unless it is better than what I can do custom. I would be looking to cool just the CPU right now and I am looking at 1/2 ID. Can someone help me with waterblocks,pump, radiator and resivor (s.p.). Also can someone help me with setting it up.

[RaptorRaider]

How about this:

Waterblock: Swiftech MCW6002 or Danger Den TDX/RBX
Pump: Danger Den D5 or AquaXtreme 50Z
Radiator: Thermochill PA160 (guide here (http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=11798) about modding your case to fit one)
Reservoir: Pick something you personally like.

[MaxxxRacer]

hmm... well 200 dollars woudl be alot more doable than 150.. ill tell u that right now.

Waterblock: MCW6002
Pump: CSP MAG. I would reccomend a more powerful pump, but to stay in budget..
5/8" OD T-Line for price issues among other things
ClearFlex 60 for tubing as its cheaper than tygon.
Radiator: Black ice pro2. Performs good and is only 37 dollars

you can get the T line and tubing at www.mcmaster.com for way cheaper than other places..

if you want I will get you the part numbers for the T-Line and tubing at mcmaster as they are hard to find otherwise.

The setup here shoudl cost you around 150 dollars all in i think. its a good price for the performance.. if you want to upgrade to say like ~175 the best upgrade would be the pump.

[.sentinel]

MaxxxRacer do i need a reservoir? Also if you could get me the partnumber that would be great. For the waterblock is Dangerden better or will it be to much or no more performance.

[RaptorRaider]

The Danger Den blocks offer no real advantage unless you use very powerfull pumps.

Again, whether you buy a T-line or reservoir and which one should be completely up to you. They offer no (noticable (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=66672)) performance difference.

If the 50Z/D5 are too expensive (~$75), then I'll have to agree the CSP-MAG (~$50) is a decent alternative.
But I personally think you should get the PA160 over the BIP2. It'll be much easier for you to install the PA160 and its performance is probably equal.

[.sentinel]

I have two more question. First what is the difference between a t-line and a reservoir. Second where can i find a MCW6002 for Socket A. I found one at Sidewindercomputer but i want to buy from a better known company such as Newegg or FrozenCPU. But all the MCW6002 at FrozenCPU are either Xeon P4 or A64.

[MaxxxRacer]

no you dont need a res. The t line will do fine, and be considerably cheaper.

The T- Line is 2974K252 or 5463K613
The tubing is 5231K237 - 65 cents a foot


the TDX is a great block but with ur price range you cant get a powerful enough pump to make it perform better than the MCW6002. this is assuming the 150 dollar budget. If you go to 200 u most likely can.

[RaptorRaider]

Reservoir (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25541&stc=1).
T-line (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25543&stc=1).

[.sentinel]

Which is easier. It looks like t-line would let me have the most space which is at a premium in my case. What about Sidewinder computer are they a good company. I also see that the t-line is 5/8 id and the tubing is 1/2 id

[RaptorRaider]

A bay reservoir like shown in the picture would go inside a 5.25'' drive way, while you'd need to cut a small hole in the top of your case for a T-line.

[.sentinel]

Do i need to cut a hole in the top of my case for a t-line?

[RaptorRaider]

That's what most guys with T-lines do.

It allows them to fill and bleed without having to open the case, plus it looks better.

[MaxxxRacer]

read the section of my guide where it shows Res and T lines. it will explain all the pros and cons of both...

[.sentinel]

k then i am probably going to get a reservoir. What do you guys think of this setup?
Swiftech MCW6002 from Sidewinder Computer for $42.50
Black Ice Pro II Radiator at Danger Den's store for $35.99
Danger Den HDP SIngle 5 1/4 reservoir for 17.95 at Danger Den's store.
Danger Den's CPS-MAG 12 Volt pump for $50 at Danger Den's store.
7 feet of 1/2 id chemical tube from McMaster for 4.76
Total of 151.20
Also do i need 2 120MM fans for the radiator.
Also what are the yellow temperature gauges that people have as their avatars and in their sigs? Can some one tell me where to get one and how much they are?

[MaxxxRacer]

those temp gauges are 120 dollars and they are from EUI.. a bit out of ur budget i think. u really dont need one. they are not useful for reading the temp of ur system when watercooling. they would only tell u the water temp if u got a water probe which is another 25-40 dollars.

yes u need two fans. with the BIP you can use relatively weak fans compared to with the BIX.

btw if u still want to you can upgrade the pump for 25 dollars and get the D5 which will be a good performance boost.

[.sentinel]

What about panaflos should i get the medium speed or the ultra high speed

[One_Hertz]

depends, if you want more performannce go for ultra I think they are 43.5dba not sure. You should be fine with mediums though, its only one cpu and it is a 2800+ barton which has a non oced power consumption of 68.3 watts which is really low, so oced u should never reach past 100 which a bip2 with 2 medium panaflows should easily take. I'd just go with 2 medium panaflos if I were you. The difference, if any, will only be 1-2 degrees and you will definately feel the change in noise.

[.sentinel]

I will have this in my bedroom so i will definatly have the mediums now. Thanks you so much Maxxxraider, RaptorRaider and One_hertz for helping me with this project. Now I just need to earn 140 dollars for water cooling and I will off to the races.

[MaxxxRacer]

good luck with your system. post some pictures when you are done with it.

[.sentinel]

I have another question would it be better if I got a Maze 4 for my system? I am buying pretty much everything there anyways.

[tw33k2514]

for $35 why not just get a double heatercore? ..would be much better than the Black Ice Pro 2

[.sentinel]

What is a heater core?

[tw33k2514]

this is a heater core www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=48&cat=14&page=1

[.sentinel]

Is it better than a Radiator.

[jellybeard999]

better, for the size, but harder to mount, more restrictive, and looks ghetto...

[.sentinel]

I think i am stilll going to get the Black Ice Pro II

[RaptorRaider]

You're getting the Black Ice Pro II because it's cheaper?
Before you buy it take a good look at your case. The BIP2 is a large rad and might be far harder to put in a PC61 than you think.
I have another question would it be better if I got a Maze 4 for my system? I am buying pretty much everything there anyways.
A MAZE4 for your CPU or GPU? The MAZE4 for GPU's is a very good block, but the MAZE4 for CPU's isn't. For your CPU you should get a TDX or RBX.

[MaxxxRacer]

jellybeard999: the heatercore is LESS restrictive. no offense man but it seems you have alot of false info that you have accumulated. most of which can be "retaught" by reading my guide. it has all of this in there.

Raptor the RBX and TDX are poor choices in this situation as he will NOT be getting a pump strong enough to support the TDX and RBX. the MCW6002 on the other hand does not need high flow rates to perform well.

As to the heatercore/BIP discussion, if you dont mind hte looks of the heatercore they are a VERY good option. personally i used the danger den one for a while. though i must admit that the danger den shroud was of less than admirable quality. this is one of the reasons i didnt suggest it. When i suggest heatercores now i generally suggest Weapons, and weapons heatercores are now more expensive than the BIP2 by a large enough margin that it would not be cost effective to go that route.

[RaptorRaider]

Raptor the RBX and TDX are poor choices in this situation as he will NOT be getting a pump strong enough to support the TDX and RBX. the MCW6002 on the other hand does not need high flow rates to perform well.
He said he wanted to get a MAZE4 because he was already ordering most of his stuff at Danger Den anyway.
I hope you'll agree it is far better to get a TDX/RBX instead of a MAZE4.

And of course, the MCW6002 would probably perform slightly better, but unless he's going for a very weak pump the difference will be less than 2C.

[MaxxxRacer]

that is true.. from an ease of ordeing standpoint the TDX would be a better choice

[.sentinel]

I was asking if I should get the Maze 4 cpu waterblock. Remember I am a Noob at watercooling.

[MaxxxRacer]

dont....

[.sentinel]

k thanks

[.sentinel]

I have a 350W Vantec ION2 power supply. When I get the water cooling kit will I need a new PSU?

[RaptorRaider]

Probably not. Though it also depends on the hardware you're currently using.

Depending on what pump you're going to buy, it's going to need 8-25W.

[.sentinel]

I am now thinking about getting a Weapon HeaterCore 302. Would this be fine with a Danger Den CSP-MAG.