Dangerden Price Drop?

[n00b 0f l337]

Did anyone else notice the 50% price drop on all of the Black Ice Series @ dangerden?!?! :slobber: Finnaly they are affordable!!!

[RaptorRaider]

Hadn't seen that yet.
It probably has something to do with new products from HWLabs; taken from the Danger Den front page:
Hardware Labs, Peformance Systems, designer and manufacturer of the industry first Black Ice PC Radiator® designates the primary distributor for the US and announces new products.

HWLabs' long-time industry partner, Danger Den LLC, is designated as the primary distributor for the

US. This arrangement allows HWLabs to improve support to our various resellers making volume distribution of the Black Ice PC Radiators® in the US market possible.
In tandem with this milestone, HWLabs announces an across the board reduction in prices, providing our customers with greater value on the industry's highest quality performance products.
This brings the premium Black Ice PC Radiators®, to all levels of the market including performance computing enthusiasts and mainstream users.

Power Users Demand - We Deliver!

The obsession with high performance and near-silent computer cooling systems has demanded more from HWLabs products than ever before.

In this regard, HWLabs introduces the Black Ice PC Radiator® X-Flow series. These 1-pass radiators are designed for use in low-flow and low noise applications.

The Black Ice Pro® and Black Ice Xtreme® radiator platforms will now be available in the X-flow configuration allowing the power users to tune their systems for high performance and low noise.
The Black Ice X-flow radiators will be available in the US thru Danger Den (www.dangerden.com).

Future Forward
HWLabs is currently in the final stages of design of the next generation computer radiators. Addressing the need for more capacity within a compressed space, limited airflow, and noise considerations requires pushing the limits of existing designs and departing from conventional radiator engineering protocols.
Watch this space for future announcements on the next generation Black Ice PC Radiator®.

About the Companies
Danger Den, LLC., based in Astoria Oregon, are the makers of the industry's premier waterblocks, such as the Danger Den – TDX CPU block, and is a HWLabs Premiere Kit Builder.
Hardware Labs, Performance Systems, operating from Manila, Philppines, is an industry pioneer in the design and manufacture of compact form factor heat exchangers for use in high performance and low noise computing applications.

To offer the premium Black Ice PC Radiators® to your customers, please contact Danger Den, LLC. Phone – 503-458-6548, Fax – 503-458-6598, or email – sales@dangerden.com.
I wonder how Thermochill is going to respond to their '1-pass radiators' and lower prices.


Also, here (http://www.systemcooling.com/csp-mag-01.html) is a nice review of the CSP-MAG.

[Stocky]

Also, here is a nice review of the CSP-MAG.

I'd like to see the perfomance of two together, like the previous version. It'd be nice to see a 12V compact pump that can beat the MCP650, as that has been on the market a while now...

[n00b 0f l337]

Well didnt the previous CSP have massive problems? I've still got one but I heard they were terrible. Its nice though to see a price drop.

[MaxxxRacer]

Intersting information.

the new csp mag is a huge improvement over the previous CSP, and does not share any of the problems as the previous one. With that said i cannot comment on its reliatibility or performance as I have not tested one personally and there have not been anyone who has run one for any extended period of time.

[Magnj]

Maxx do you think its a good idea to pick up a double or tripple rad at those low prices? I'm considering Water Cooling soon, and thatd be a nice price break. Even about 25$ cheaper than Weapon when all's said and done

[MaxxxRacer]

its pretty hard to pass up at those deals but id like to see how the single pass compare. i say go with the low priced ones for now.

it will be a while before i have radiator testing up and running. exciting things are to come but its moving WAY slower than i had hoped.

[Magnj]

hmm... Maybe I'll order a single pass 2x120 tonight.
I'm thinkin DD D5 pump, one of those rads, but not sure what block goes with the D5?
yea sorry to hijak this thread

[MaxxxRacer]

the singlepass arnt out yet.

[masturdebat3rr]

how does one of those danger den heater cores compare to teh bix 2 and 3

[euclid]

it will be a while before i have radiator testing up and running. exciting things are to come but its moving WAY slower than i had hoped.

i feel your pain.

does the black ice extreme have copper core and tanks?

[MaxxxRacer]

yes it does. though it might be possible hte tanks are brass. hard to tell. but the rest is copper.

[n00b 0f l337]

I found the CSP pump to be quite good, but everyone else seemed to have it break and die on em'...

[Cathar]

Hadn't seen that yet.
It probably has something to do with new products from HWLabs; taken from the Danger Den front page:
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...and how much of that has to do with the content in this thread then eh?

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10000

[euclid]

the black ice extreme2 is very comparible in price to the weapon 302 heatercore/shroud combo now, does anyone have numbers on which is the better performer with two 100-120cfm fans?

[Craig]

PA160 is a additional new rad for Thermochill, but unlikly as the cause of this price reduction. The PA160 is targeted to those who want maximum noise reduction with thier water cooling. So while it does challange the Black Ice Pro series place as the lower noise alternative, it wouldn't trigger a accross the board drop in prices.
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However the price cut recently announced on the other Thermochill rads which are direct competitors of the HWLabs products are a much more compelling reason for HWLabs to drop prices.

And the new lower priced CoolingWorks rad is just another pressure for HWLabs to lower prices. CoolingWorks will have a greater impact if they introduce additional models comparable to the BIX 2 & 3 or the ThermoChill 120.2 & 120.3 rads.

More compitition is always good for the consumer.

[n00b 0f l337]

Well...
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=3&cat=5&page=1
Thats quite a hard price to beat.

[Craig]

It will be interesting also to see if HWLabs changes the fin count per inch on the new single pass rad types. If not they won't be much if any lower noise, but will allow a bit higher flow rates.

Glad to see both HWLabs and Thermochill making improvements to each's product lines. It does seem that HWLabs is reacting to pressure from Thermochill & CoolingWorks though.

I know Thermochill is doing work on upgrades to thier long standing line up of rads fin counts. I wonder if they are also considering converting them to single pass as well.

Again, glad to see progress in rad development, not just for lower pricing but for the better performance. :up:

[n00b 0f l337]

There's also a little news on maybe a 4 120mm fan, sorta like the weapon monster core.
A perfect peice for the CM stacker fans...

I'm wondering what thermo will do.

[nikhsub1]

Craig don't kid yourself. DD and HW are doing this because of Thermochill/Marci/Cathar. They aren't stupid, just not innovative. They wait for others to do the R&D, wait for results, then copy the idea and say it was theirs and the best product ever. In the end however, it will benefit the community at large.

[n00b 0f l337]

Wait... What does Cathar and Marci have to do with Thermochill? Did I miss something?

[nikhsub1]

Wait... What does Cathar and Marci have to do with Thermochill? Did I miss something?
Young Jedi, you must venture out in the world. There are very knowledgeable people out there. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10000

[n00b 0f l337]

Gar, your going to make me read that...?

[nikhsub1]

If you actually want to learn something, if you don't care, then why post?

[n00b 0f l337]

Read the article. Its a nice little debate. Just cranky cause of finals.

[n00b 0f l337]

Heh, yeah this sorta went way OT. I was just sorta announcing the price drop and all...

[Trice]

Ugh I just ordered the Black Ice P II, wonder if they will give me the difference back seeing how I spent 300 bucks there with that order?

[n00b 0f l337]

Maybe maybe not. Its worth a question.

[Weapon]

I am curious to see how the new ones will perform against the old single pass standby cores like the 342 or a single pass modded 302. I would think they would do well against the 342 with low air/low noise but how will they do with twin san aces (109R1212H101 of course) or the like?

I am still toying with the idea of a single pass modded monstercore. How most others will compare to that is easy enough to predict -- twice the frontal surface area always wins with rads. :)

back to the 342 a moment - no pics yet but I have a newly modded one that I have been playing with that has larger inlet and outlet tubes. The regular 342 is low resistance but lack of flow resistance on the new one is on the verge of shocking.

just to get back on topic -- those prices are a sweet deal...I might have to pick a couple up to throw on the test bench. :D

[MaxxxRacer]

weapon when i eventually get my test setup running u gotta send me one of those modded 342's.. the heatercores are already not that restrictive, but a single pass with extra large fittings.. not theres low flow reistance...

if only the heatercores werent so darn restrictive to airflow.. ive kinda come to enjoy silence...

[Special_K]

could you not push every other fin on a heatercore together to reduce the FPI?

sure, you would lose some surface area, but if the air can pass through it easier, won't that make up for the difference?

[MaxxxRacer]

Special K, that was kind of the point with the PA160. we will se how well it actually makes up for it though.

but personally i would absolutly love a low FPI heatercore.. would be wonderful...

[n00b 0f l337]

I think I'm still missing soemthing. Other than not hurting flow as much what will single pass do over double?

[skycrane]

i agree Maxxx, i look at thier "new" rad :banana: .... then look at my BIX1 that i have had almost 2 yrs and :clap: its the same pic :confused:

hmmmm makes you think

just got thier BIX3 and a few more fans, lets see how that does trying to cool my 2 p$ pressies.... :)

[MaxxxRacer]

n00b thats all single pass does.. it allows you higher flowrates.. thats all.

its actual cooling capacity size for size is still up for debate afaik. dunno anyone who has done sone valid testing with duplicate rads that were single and double pass.

[n00b 0f l337]

So whats the main problem? Get a bigger pump! most of our pumps today are already way more GPH then really needed and are overkill. i'm gonna get a BIP3 or something and put it onto my window side of case to cool my GPU with a tec when I go vapor. Double pass, single pass....

All I see is a price drop.
Thats jew instincts for ya.

[Achilles17]

Wow, those are some good deals. Granted, I am perfectly happy with my modded Bonneville core, but if I had to get a new radiator I might have to opt for one of these, given their new price.

[n00b 0f l337]

They are nice and then. And the bips are amazing with small 25mm thick fans... I dun like my heatercore cause my makeup shroud blows and the things put together with hot glue and its thick... 6".

[MaxxxRacer]

noob, bigger pumps mean more heat dump and more noise. single pass radiators are designed for the quiet overclocker..

and no most pumps do not have more flow than they need. most pumps are lacking in flow when used in watercooling.. a single pass radiator would make, say a eheim pump alot more attractive as there would be less restriction in the sysem.. though a single pass radiator will wouldnt make a eheim a good pump for a G5...

[Psyche911]

Hey guys, been awhile.

What's the concensus on a BIP2 (or 2xBIP) with something like Panaflo L1As for a Venice CPU & high end GPU (not that I can afford one, but let's uses a 7800GTX for example) along with a MCP655? That's around 200watts of heat dump, I believe.

[MaxxxRacer]

a BIP2 could handle the high end gpu and cpu. u might get better temps with a BIX2 or BIP3 but it wil handle it. the L1A's will pus ha good amount of air through the radiator.