P4 vs A64.

[AH^DK]

Hey.

Since I changed my A64 out with my 530J, I have been very happy with my system. But, I always hear people say like "Why the f*ck did you do it?" I have been happy with both and wanted to try something new.

But what suits my needs best?

I usually:
Game alot, about 1-3hours aday.
Surf Inet ALOT while hearing Music and running MSN.
Benching alot.

What suits my needs best? Been thinking of going back to A64 maybe.

[ferrari_freak]

If it's gaming, then definetly AMD. :toast:

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[NickS]

I'd say go back to the Athlon 64. Once you go back, you WILL, (I GUARUNTEE IT) notice more responsiveness, better FPS, etc.

[AH^DK]

Well, when I surf, I hardly can feel a difference between A64 and P4, boith of them are quite fast IMO.

But the thing I like is the P4s stability. My A64 had problems with reboots etc when OCing on my A8V in the later times.

[AH^DK]

I have been offered:
A64 3200+.
Gigabyte k8nsnxp.

Its a Clawhammer and Socket 754, but should I go with a 939 instead?

[mcnbns]

If you're going Athlon 64 then definitely go 939. If you decide to get a DFI nF4 board be prepared for a few bugs, but if you can handle it it's damn fast! :toast:

939 will kill an old 754 setup like that anyday.

[i found nemo]

i say take it depending on how much they are asking

[AH^DK]

Direct trade with my 530J and mobo.

Well, I will prolly save money to a 3000+ Venice perhaps.

[Wiggy McShades]

why are you trading exactly ? i really have not noticed a difference between a pentium 4 and athlon 64 except in certain benchmarks. gaming wise overclocked a presscot does just as well as an athlon 64 i think its imposbile to tell the difference unless you have a raelly bad graphics card.

[AH^DK]

I am running FX-5200 atm, till I get my 9800PRO back.

But I think I will go A64, cuz I benchmark alot.

[KoolDrew]

AMD would be much better in your situation.

[Turok]

The difference of p4's speed in aplication is no where close to the difference of a64's in gaming.
A64 does everything better than p4's except encoding and A64's are cheaper, especially in updates.
p4's are constantly changeing socket when a new tech comes out. (like BTX, and p4 D's)
a64 mobos are better than p4 mobos, especially on SLI and OCing capabilities
AMD's plans for the future sound more convincing. Less mobo updates and more power than Intel's plans.

AMD is the way to go :up:

Turok

[AH^DK]

Nice.

I will look for a 939 system or get money to it.

How much could I get for a about 4months old 530J, AS-8 and 2x256mb Kingston HyperX BH-5 unknown age?

[(sin)morpheus]

I'd keep the bh-5 unless you really want 1gig. The athlon64 will love that stuff to death.

By the way, the A8V was a piece of crap. I think the stability issue you had was bad board not bad cpu. ;)

[AH^DK]

Ok.

Does A64 like BH-5? Heard it didnt.

[(sin)morpheus]

Athlon64 loves tight timings and bh-5 lets you get higher speeds with tight timings, so it's the best stuff for an athlon64.

[AH^DK]

Ye, but heard alot about A64 not working with BH-5.

[(sin)morpheus]

Explain please.

[AH^DK]

Hmm, just recall hearing about stability issues etc.

[Wiggy McShades]

Hmm, just recall hearing about stability issues etc.

for curent cpu's thats untrue and im pretty sure for older ones too. if you get a board that can suply enough voltage you shouldnt have a problem with your ram.

[AH^DK]

Ok.

[perkam]

Wait for the performance figures of the Pentium 4 6x3 processors to come out...(current ones out are 6x0 - 620, 630, etc) ...

Those are 65nm Cedar Mill Core CPUs which ideally should run a tad cooler than the pressies AND clock high as well :)

So yea I'd wait for those to come out sometime in the next few months...then decide A64 or Intel cos currently you have the 775 platform...and 754 will not be as big an upgrade as these 6x3 processors will be ;)

Perkam

[5-Clicks]

Intel = less problamatic with the sacrafice of options
AMD = more prone to be problamatic but you get better OC'ing and gaming

i found that AMD runs the games better, but Intel is untouchable when running multiple tasks in windows. when exiting a game with my venice i found that there was some sluggishness trying to go on the internet right after playing or when pressing the windows key while paused in the game to check something real quick. with HT, i found P4s to be much more responsive and crisper feeling. it's a trade off IMHO, but i'm sticking with my venice for the time being because of overclocking reasons and AMDs future plans. when Intel releases their new, non-Netburst desktop cores i'll cast a more focused comparison.

just my :2cents:

BTW: i was comparing P4 2.6ghz (478) and 630 (775) vs 3000 Venice and 3200 Winchester all at stock speeds.

[(sin)morpheus]

Now what I always wonder is why would anyone want to check stuff while theyre playing a game? I mean, doesn't that ruin the whole immersion thing for you? I know it does for me, I turn off the monitors of my comm computer while I play games so that I keep that immersion feeling the whole time.

[5-Clicks]

sometimes i play around in the game and minimize to look for a cheat or something...just for the heck of it. or a lot of times i'll play a game while waiting for a big download to download and i check the progress. many times i play a game just to pass time.

it's also helpful to minimize when i run into a bug in the game and i minimize and get on the net to look for a quick solution. for example, i was playing HL2 and i got into the citadel *spoiler ->>>** and got the super gravity gun. i couldn't jump over a little fence to continue the map, so i minimized and did a quick google search. i'd played the game several times before, just it was a bug i ran into that time.

[masterofpuppets]

People, stop criticising Intel and saying things like "omfg AMD r bettr coz it givz u +2fps0rz in g4mz!!". Intel is good at games, AMD might give you a few more FPS, but Intel is generally faster at intensive processes. Gaming really doesn't utilize a CPU.

Just my opinion.

[Ref]

Single-core P4 can be more responsive in multi-tasking than single-core AMD64, but if you turn off HT it's the same, except AMD64 will be a bit faster due to integrated memory controller.

In A64X2 vs. P-D case, X2 wins.

Yes it's a few FPS, but it makes you wonder when A64 3000+ beats Prescott 3.8 GHz in games ...

If you don't buy a cheap power supply or motherboard or RAM, both CPUs are absolutely stable as long as they are properly cooled...

That's my opinion and as always, I may be wrong...

[K.I.T.T.]

Id say go with what you think is right :)

Intel P4 530 or A64 3000+, the only difference in games will be like 3-5 fps at the most and isnt noticable to warrant a change.

thats my $0.002 :D

[AH^DK]

Hey guys.

Sorry I aint been on, holidays etc.

Well today was the time to say good bye to the P4, just got a 3500+ Winny, A8V and 2x256mb Vitesta PC4000. Damn nice.

And I cannot say I regret it, HT wasnt that noticeable versus A64 in games.