AMD Single-Channel World Record: 3516.66MHz - Conrad's Socket 754 Monster

[conrad.maranan]

POST #112 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=906361#post906361) IS WHERE THE 3516.66MHz SCREENSHOT IS LOCATED



A very big thank you to chilly1 for hooking me up with a kick-butt cooling solution for my new daily gamer. And a special thanks to Vandi423 for providing me with the CPU used in this system.

I have experienced more than a fair share of set backs in order to get this system up and running. But it's up now and it sure is running. I broke everything down last night for final re-assembly inside of its case tomorrow. Hopefully, this system can put up some nice 3DMark scores.

chilly1 Custom Phase Change Systems (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62854)
DFI LANParty UT nF3 250Gb (5/04 4.0VDIMM BIOS)
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Newark)
Sapphire Radeon X850XT Platinum Edition
OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Gold VX (2x512MB)
OCZ PowerStream 600W Power Supply Unit
Western Digital Raptor 74GB SATA HDD

Under load, the CPU evap block holds a steady -35C. I'll be experimenting with DI and LN2 next month, so I'm hoping that there's a little bit more to be had from this chip. :cool:



AIR-COOLED (Thermalright XP-90C + Sunon 92mm)

Just a real quick SP2004 run...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31952&stc=1

Maximum SuperPI 32M...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31953&stc=1

Maximum SuperPI 1M...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31954&stc=1

CPU-Z Validated (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=20395) Sucide Screenshot...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31955&stc=1

And the CPU with two broken chips...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31956&stc=1

[conrad.maranan]

PHASE CHANGE-COOLED

Maximum SuperPI 32M...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31967&stc=1

Maximum SuperPI 1M...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31968&stc=1

CPU-Z Validated (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21141) Sucide Screenshot...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31969&stc=1

Validated (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21300) after re-adjusting the evap block...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31970&stc=1

Validated (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21302) after turning the evap block mounting bolts a few turns...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31971&stc=1

[conrad.maranan]

THE MONEY SHOT

$3,367.61 of CPU-Z (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21306) Cash Money Currency...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31972&stc=1

[Ref]

Very nice!
however, some pics don't work :(

[fatfreepork]

hey i saw your submission right after mine yesterday. very very nice!

[bachus_anonym]

:slobber: Damn, Conrad! SuperPi 32M @ 3253Mhz... That's what I like to see :toast:
But it looks like S754 is getting it's butt kicked by S939 in that benchie :(

Great to see you back in action, bro... With a bang!!! :thumbsup:

[mr_knowitall15]

:That's what I like to see :toast:
But it looks like S754 is getting it's butt kicked by S939 in that benchie :(

prolly cuz of the single channel memory.

[afireinside]

Wow very nice conrad :toast:
How much are those newark chips?

[conrad.maranan]

Socket 939 is always going to knock the socks off of 754 when it comes to memory-intensive applications. I may or may not purchase another 3700+ Newark. If I decide to travel a different route, it'll probably be a Dothan chip up next to bat. We'll see. ;)

afireinside - hit up Vandi423 via PM. He was my source for this CPU.

[MaxxxRacer]

looking good conrad. that system has been a long time in the making.

[EMC2]

See you survived the traditional shoe ;)

Nice to see you going at it again bro :toast:

[A Scream]

some nice scores! :beer:

[TMM]

any idea what the broken chips on the cpu actually do? Im assuming theyd be some kind of capacitor/something else to smooth the vcore?

[conrad.maranan]

Thanks for all of the support, everyone. :up:

Initially, I was under the impression that those little chips governed cache, but I honestly do not know what they have anything to do with. My first tests in air-cooled trim was leading me to believe that something was seriously wrong with my CPU because I would sit in the Windows splash/loading screen for a full 60 seconds before making it into the GUI. I later discovered that the load delays were caused by a faulty IDE cable.

I will run some Sandra Cache tests tomorrow to compare scores against ozzimark's 3700+. If I have some time before work, I'll run some 3DMark with the card unmodded or air, and then with full VMODs hooked up to the phase change unit. :D

By the way, is Epsilon's frequency of 3409.48MHz (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=16586) the world record for Socket 754? I just want to know what to aim for.

[perkam]

By the way, is Epsilon's frequency of 3409.48MHz (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=16586) the world record for Socket 754? I just want to know what to aim for.

So that's the monster you're gonna use against the lime green pie thieves :p: Nice :up:

Hope to see you get that 3409 and more ;) I'm impressed as it is at what these things can do on air, let alone on p/c.

Perkam

[bachus_anonym]

Let's wait until Conrad plays with some copper containers :D I smell new S754 suicide-screenie WR then ;)

BTW... Those are resistor packs ;)

[ozzimark]

nice conrad! i'm glad to see you finally get your own thread on this awesome chip :D
(i'll probably have another go at things now that i have water.. but ambient temp is up to like.. 25c :()

[[XC] moddolicous]

Nice Conrad. Hope that will be crunching. Finally got my daily to 200+, so I'm happy. Can’t wait to see your results with LN2 or DI. Hoping for SPI 1m 3500 stable.

[Playful_Buffalo]

nice work conrad :D

[conrad.maranan]

ozzimark - Just keep on pushin' it, bro. Slap a peltier under that block and see what you can pull out of it. ;)

3450MHz with dry ice and 3650MHz with liquid nitrogen would be sweet. I'm hoping I can hit those numbers with some chilly1 tubes next month. As far as using this for D2OL crunching, can you just imagine what my electric bill would look like? :eek:

On a side note, I needed 1.8V on the chipset for all of those runs and screenshots. The DFI factory heatsink gets blistering hot. I positioned a 92mm Sunon over the sink and that seemed to work wonders considering I was able to leave my finger on top of the heatsink. I found some brand new 120mm Sanyo Denki fans in my drawer so I suppose I'll be using that for the chipset instead. Does anyone know if the Thermalright NB-1 chipset cooler will fit on the DFI nF3 board?

[13oost]

:eek2: i need to get one of those :woot:

nice score man

[twilius_basic]

Does anyone know if the Thermalright NB-1 chipset cooler will fit on the DFI nF3 board?

I *think* it would (not sure though), but the problem with most hsf's like that is height.... it will get in teh way of your GPU :(

Sweet results there m8 :toast: I had almost weened myself off spending more money on this PC of mine, but those results make it look SOO tempting.... I'd love to replace my 130nm Claw 3700+ wiht your Newark :cool: And I've already got Chilly1 LN2 container ready and waiting for it :D

[conrad.maranan]

Thanks for the reply, twilius_basic. I'm going to check to see if there will be any interference between the card and chipset cooler. If it looks all clear, I just need to confirm that the block will actually fit. These Newarks are pretty awesome CPUs. If you're looking to keep your current setup, I'd definitely make the move from Clawhammer to Newark as these chips seem to clock well. Maybe 40K would be a reality for you. ;)

[ozzimark]

On a side note, I needed 1.8V on the chipset for all of those runs and screenshots.
don't know the answer to your question, but that's a curious statement there. i don't think i've ever seen benefit from raising the voltage. perhaps i should try that now :)

[Supertim0r]

nice scores m8 !!
I want to see Dothan action :D

[conrad.maranan]

Chipset voltage at 1.7V while pushing high frequencies resulted in BSODs stating some sort of ATAPI errors, even with the 92mm Sunon fan blowing at the chipset sink. As soon as I kicked it up to 1.8V, I could run SuperPI 32M without having to deal with BSODs. 1.9V seems to be too much as I would just get NVRAID message loops after the initial BIOS test screen.
:shrug:

nice scores m8 !!
I want to see Dothan action :DI do, too. :D

[ozzimark]

all right, thanks for the further explaination. i'll be back in a bit with some answers :D

[WeakSauce]

conrad, I use to use a nb-1 for my old dfi nf2 board and wanted to use it on my dfi nf3 250 but it wouldn't work. The nb-1 fits just fine until you try to put your gpu in. I would look for something else like the crytal orb or something of that nature. Just wanted to give you a heads up from my experience.

[conrad.maranan]

Thanks, WeakSauce. Would you happen to have a link for that Crystal Orb that you mentioned?

[afireinside]

Have you tried booting at a higher FSB and clock gen from that? My new DFI NF3 does 391 HTT at stock volts and cooling with a simple 80MM fan placed on top of it. I have to boot at 350 htt or anything over 355 blue screens. I have to boot at 289 to break 300 as well. It's a strange board, but it works great!

I really hope I can get some chilled liquid 6800nu and DIced claw action this comming weekend. I'll talk to that guy about the newark though. Looks fun to play with. I can't afford a 24 pin PSU and high end PCIE card :(

try this heatsink maybe? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835110103)

[WeakSauce]

Hey conrad you could try something like this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835110103

There are a few differen't companies like thermaltake and some others that make the same thing. It says it's for a vid card but lots of people use it for their northbridge.

LOL, afireinside beat me to the punch.

[conrad.maranan]

Not bad for 10 bucks. I'm now wondering if I can just trim some of the fins off of the NB-1 with a Dremel. The Thermalright unit just looks so much beefier than the Vantec cooler. :)

[Daveb2012]

excellent work conrad. I wish I had the $ for phase change.

[afireinside]

Damn for the price of a newark I could have a diego... Oh well. My DTR will do well enough to take back whats mine :D (6800 DDR1 WR)

I tried dremeling mine a bit when I was attempting to mount it on my now dead 9600XT but the alu is pretty tough to grind down. Maybe if you remove the entire fin with a cutting blade.

[ozzimark]

well, chipset and agp voltage do nothing for me, and i think i need cooler temps, as i'm having trouble getting over 3.05ghz at 35c :slap:
(i think part of it is me not wanting to go over 1.7v again though..)

[afireinside]

Oh come on give it 1.8V :D I run my chips at 1.77V and 1.85V daily...

[conrad.maranan]

Anything over 305MHz HTT would not boot. I played with all of the memory dividers, tried using just one 512MB module of memory, switched out the UTT for some TCCD - nothing works. I just finished assembling all of my hardware into the case. The evap block feels like it has a much better crush on the CPU core this time around so we'll see what happens tomorrow. I should've checked to see the markings on the nF3 chip when I was applying some AS5 onto it.

By the way...what BIOS are you using, afireinside? I doubt that the BIOS has that significant of an effect on FSB, so I just might be running at my limit. Too bad these CPUs don't have unlocked multipliers. Oh well. :D

ozzimark - 1.8V on the chipset should be fine. Just position a small fan over that region of the board and the temps shouldn't be a problem.

[ozzimark]

ozzimark - 1.8V on the chipset should be fine. Just position a small fan over that region of the board and the temps shouldn't be a problem.
yup, i tried that, i meant on the cpu :nono: :toast:

and actually, my chipset never gets too hot. i have a little 40mm fan on it, and a thermal sensor. it hit 38c.. not too bad :p:

[afireinside]

Only 305 fsb :( That sucks. These boards usualy do a lot more. Have you tried raising the Vagp? I run 1.9V, not sure if it helps but I do anyway. I'm running the 4V Vdimm modded BIOS with the built in memtest that I don't know how to use. It's not the latest that was posted here though. I downloaded it from some asian forum :D

[k|ngp|n]

Great work conrad :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

Thanks, k|ngp|n. :)

And here are a few shots of everything installed into the case. The video card was pulled out because I'm in the process of going over my VMODs. Please excuse the fingerprints and other greasy grunge. I'm saving the cleanup and detail work after final assembly. :D I might have to head out to Home Depot this weekend and pick up some rollers/casters - this sucker is heavy.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31990&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31991&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31992&stc=1

[Jort]

very nice conrad.maranan;)

be sure to spent some good time with your proff phase-change unit and "Gf":p:

[xenolith]

I like the Zalman NB heatsink.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32001&stc=1

It's a pretty tall, beefy heatsink that can fit if the top edge is mounted even with the top edge of the NB chip. You also have to be careful of a couple of caps that are very close to the push-pin linkage on the upper right corner, but it'll fit. [sorry for the bad webcam pic]
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32000&stc=1

You probably could put a small 60mm fan on the Zalman by simply twist tying it to the push-pin linkage. I have a 80mm high-CFM side case fan blowing directly over it, so adding a fan would've been overkill. I used 1.8v on the chipset when pushing for 3.0GHz and it only got luke warm to the touch.

The Zalman NB32J can be found @ SVC for $4.25 (http://www.heatsinkstore.com/zazmnobrhe.html).

[Malves]

Nice setup, bro.:up: If you need vmods on that board and VC just shoot me a PM.:)

[Jupiler]

Very nice setup, conrad.
Although I find it weird to see a SATA cable passing between the 2 DIMM slots. ;)
Tight and clean, as some would say.

[conrad.maranan]

xenolith - I was actually checking that sink out last night. :) Thanks for bringing it up.

Malves - I'll keep you in mind, just in case I blow something up. :D

Jupiler - Thanks, JF. I tried to make the most out of the situation and just routed cables behind, inside, and around existing structures. The SATA cable sits flush at the base of the board between the yellow DIMM slots, so it's not exactly touching the memory modules. :)

I'm now thinking about taking the day off so I can get some 3DMark runs in. I'll be back in a little while.

[krampak]

What about the temps? :banana:

[conrad.maranan]

Here's the evap block reading running SuperPI 32M...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32030&stc=1

[Malves]

Malves - I'll keep you in mind, just in case I blow something up. :D

Without vmods, you won't blow anything up.:D

[conrad.maranan]

I'm going to VMOD it myself. But if I blow it up, I'll see if I can scrounge up another $450 for another card you can work on. :D

[trans am]

Nice connie! L) nf3??? I am curious to see what MHZ you gained from phase change on that same cpu.

[conrad.maranan]

Yo, Alvin! All of my air-cooled and phase change results are in the first post. ;)

[trans am]

Yo, Alvin! All of my air-cooled and phase change results are in the first post. ;)

lol...dude it never occured to me to actually read the whole thread. VERY NICE GAINS!! :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

First, I pulled this off (CPU-Z Validated @ 3413.5MHz (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21826))...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32065&stc=1



And then I managed to do this (CPU-Z Validated @ 3424.85MHz (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21827))...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32066&stc=1

Something is seriously wrong with my video card. I can't finish a run of 01, 03, or 05 regardless of the driver used. I've spent my entire day re-formatting drives and trying to diagnose the problem. Some strange stuff, folks. :rolleyes:

On the bright side, I've got a nice 754. :woot:

[Jupiler]

At what speed are you running 01,03 and 05?
Does it crash to the desktop or does it just freezes?

[Epsilon]

Well done !
Allthough there is still something to beat at the superPi 1M front :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61748

You beat my max screen though :(

(now i'm really disappointed my .cvf was corrupt @ 3463mhz AND 3449 :(


Congrats :toast:

http://members.home.nl/epsilon/temp/spi_26922_3306_275.JPG

[ozzimark]

And then I managed to do this (CPU-Z Validated @ 3424.85MHz (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21827))...
.
.
.
On the bright side, I've got a nice 754. :woot:
YEAH!!! that's what i'm looking for, congratulations conrad! :D :woot:
psst, anyone wanna lend me a phase unit for a few days?

[Vandi423]

:woot: Congratulations Conrad!

I've been watching this thread from the beginning. Great Job!

[xenolith]

And then I managed to do this (CPU-Z Validated @ 3424.85MHz) (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21827)

EDIT: I'm a little slow today, of course it's the WR. :doh:

Congrats Conrad. :clap:

... but your not making it any easier on the logical side of my brain as to why I do not have a phase change unit... :nono:

[ozzimark]

... but your not making it any easier on the logical side of my brain as to why I do not have a phase change unit... :nono:
i agree. :slap: :p:

[EMC2]

:oscar: Very nicely done Conrad :up:

Now that you have the rust off, hope you get the gfx issue resolved soon bro and grab another trophy :toast:

[bachus_anonym]

Damn it... I'm getting jealous now, Conrad :D I'm not much of the suicide-shots fan, but I'll give this one for ya :) You've earned it...

Soon, without 3.2Ghz there will be no chance to get any applause, here on XS :lol:
:thumbsup:

[conrad.maranan]

Thanks for the kudos, everyone! :toast:

JF - I was running my CPU at stock speed. I've tried everything from stock to 12x260MHz and I just can't get 3DMark to finish. The system will just shutdown. The strange thing is this: I plugged the X850 XTPE into my K8N Neo2 Platinum and I can run 3DMark all day long. I plugged some crappy nVIDIA card into my Newark 3700+ rig and I can run 3DMark just fine - stock, overclocked, whatever...it runs! So why then does the X850 XTPE fail 3DMark in the Newark rig?
:confused:

Epsilon - Here's SuperPI 1M using a 166MHz (5/6) memory divider. The time is slow because all timings are set to AUTO, not to mention the nasty divider. I'll try to get a better run in using 180MHz (9/10) and tight timings. But I've got you beat with the CPU clock speed for running 1M. :D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32087&stc=1

[LenniZ]

Nice :woot:

[Epsilon]

Thanks for the kudos, everyone! :toast:
Epsilon - Here's SuperPI 1M using a 166MHz (5/6) memory divider. The time is slow because all timings are set to AUTO, not to mention the nasty divider. I'll try to get a better run in using 180MHz (9/10) and tight timings. But I've got you beat with the CPU clock speed for running 1M. :D
[/IMG]


Very nice :)

those mobiles rock :toast:

They weren't there when i did the run :P, or at least, not available :)

[conrad.maranan]

These Newarks are little speed demons. My evap block temps are at -33C under load, so I can only imagine how much more is possible with cooler temperatures.

[Vandi423]

Damn Conrad! :toast: I guess AMD makes good processors. Those two chips and you're still doing this. :D

[conrad.maranan]

Damn Conrad! :toast: I guess AMD makes good processors. Those two chips and you're still doing this. :D
Well now I'm wondering if those two broken baby chips have anything to do with my system not being able to run any Futuremark 3D application. I tested the X850 XTPE again just now in my Neo2 Platinum and I was able to complete 01, 03, and 05 at 10x260MHz. I plugged the MX4000 into the DFI nF3 and I was able to complete 01, 03, and 05 at 12x250MHz. So why in the world can I not get the X850 XTPE to complete a 3D bench in the DFI nF3 with the Newark 3700+? I've tried flashing over to different BIOS revisions and played with AGP Apertures from 256MB down to 32MB. It just won't complete a run.

And I forgot to mention that while swapping my VX out for some TCCD last night, I accidentally dropped one of my VX modules on the carpet. Death by static shock is just so not cool. The overclocking gods have forsaken me once again.
:cussing:

[conrad.maranan]

And the new magic number is CPU-Z Validated at 3459.4 MHz (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=21945)...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32092&stc=1

I guess I can keep trying until I hit 3505.09MHz. :rocker:

[kaltmond]

great chips:clap: :clap: wish to have one,too...... :slobber: :slobber:

[ozzimark]

Death by static shock is just so not cool. The overclocking gods have forsaken me once again.
:cussing:
maybe it's compensation for holding the s754 WR? :toast:
i see 1.776v.. is that 1.78-1.8v in the bios? :eek:

[[XC] moddolicous]

maybe it's compensation for holding the s754 WR? :toast:
i see 1.776v.. is that 1.78-1.8v in the bios? :eek:
probably 1.8 in bios.

[conrad.maranan]

maybe it's compensation for holding the s754 WR? :toast:
i see 1.776v.. is that 1.78-1.8v in the bios? :eek:
BIOS voltage on the CPU side was set to 1.475 + 123%. After a reboot and going back in to read the BIOS voltage table, it registers at 1.82V. There isn't anything that I can do that will budge the temps to raise up over -33C. Regardless of the voltages I've played with so far, this phase change unit just maintains a steady -33C.

I'll continue to play with voltages, but I think the crush I'm now getting between the CPU core and evaporator block is what's getting me up the frequency ladder. Contact is everything. ;)

[xenolith]

I've always thought the voltage settings for the DFI NF3 board are strange. I.e., I have my vcore set to 1.525+1.04 (1.586v) and the BIOS reading over-volts to between 1.6v and 1.62v, but Smart Guardian says 1.57v which reads right from the BIOS. :confused:

[conrad.maranan]

The only way to get a true reading will be with a digital multimeter, which I probably should've done anyway. I've just been so distracted with a lot of other things going on. ;)

[ozzimark]

The only way to get a true reading will be with a digital multimeter, which I probably should've done anyway. I've just been so distracted with a lot of other things going on. ;)
heh, i know how that is :D

also, how tight is tight? one thing that's been bothering me about this TDX is the springs. right now, it seems that i have the springs compressed a little less than 1/2 way. you guys got any advice here? :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

bachus_anonym sent me an IHS off of his dead 939. My plan was to use that as a lid for the 3700+ as an extra measure of safety, but the IHS is still en route and I couldn't wait to start playing with some phase change. It does seem that these cores are pretty strong. When I say tight, I mean very tight. Initially, I only had the mounting nuts (visible side of evaporator mount) twisted on hand-tight. This time around, I've gone the extra mile and used a screw driver to the mounting base plate screws (backside of motherboard) to give it some more clamping force. It's tight enough that I can't turn the screws any more than they've been turned. Should I be xtreme and force another 10 pounds of torque on that thing? :D

[afireinside]

Ugh so much for me having any hope of taking WR with a good dry ice tube... Unless my chip gains 500mhz with 50C lower temps... Congrats though!

That sucks about the VX man :( Reminds me of how I was messing with the cooling on my 9800np (with samsung ram, flashable to pro and all) on carpet with socks on... Long story short I just about cried when I booted up my brand spankin new NF3 250 A64 rig to a rainbow of pixle blocks...

I tighten down my MCW6002 on my clawhammer as tight as it will go until I can't turn it anymore with the screw driver without using tons of force. At that point the board is warping pretty bad anyways and I'd be affraid of putting more stress on it. I really kind of wish they kept a 4 hole mounting system. Distributes pressure on board better it seems. I never had my socket A boards bend to the point where it looks like it will snap in half...

ozzi, I don't know if dangerden springs have gotten better since the maze 4 in the socket A days but mine were fully compressed LONG before it got very tight. I'm not a big fan of screws though. When I ghetto mounted my TC4 block with a flipped over retention bracket I skipped the springs and just used the nuts/screws whatever tightened right onto the bracket. Worked very well. As good as my MCW6002, infact. Not sure if skipping the springs is a good idea of you have a luciete/plastic top, though.

edit number like 3:
IN short: make it as tight as you possibly can :D

[xenolith]

Should I be xtreme and force another 10 pounds of torque on that thing? :D

With your wavering luck conrad, I wouldn't provoke the O/C gods any more than necessary. :nono: :p:

[conrad.maranan]

With your wavering luck conrad, I wouldn't provoke the O/C gods any more than necessary. :nono: :p:
:rofl: Good point, my friend. :p:

[ozzimark]

thanks for the advice guys, i appreciate it :D

and conrad.. :nono: :p:

[Supertim0r]

pics with the dual phase change cooled (vga + cpu) :) ??

[conrad.maranan]

If I can get my video card to complete 3DMark, I'll hook up the phase change unit to it and snap a few more shots. It's not going to look any different than the pictures I have already posted, though. As of right now, the video card phase unit is unplugged and I'm running on the stock HSF.

[xenolith]

Conrad, do you plan to prime test it soon? It'd be interesting to see what the highest stable speed is w/phase change.

[conrad.maranan]

Hmmm. Prime95/SP2004 with phase change? Sure. Why not? ;) I'm not going to run it for 24 hours, though. My wife will kill me. Maybe 6 hours maximum.

[uscfan]

Not to be a noob, but do those phase change machines make a ton of noise? I guess the ones that OPB and stuff use are cascades?

[conrad.maranan]

My CPU unit is about as loud as a refrigerator. The one for my GPU is so quiet, I don't even know it's running. :)

[uscfan]

Damn fast reply. VGA phase change is pretty leet.

Edit: Stupid question removed.

[xenolith]

Hmmm. Prime95/SP2004 with phase change? Sure. Why not? ;) I'm not going to run it for 24 hours, though. My wife will kill me. Maybe 6 hours maximum.

Thanks! I'm seriously considering getting a Chilly1 unit and I guess I'm using you as a guinea pig of sorts...

Just curious, why your wife... well... would kill you? :lol2: Is the phaser very noisey? Does it use a lot of electricity?

[conrad.maranan]

It's only as loud as a refrigerator or small window air-conditioning unit. I'm guessing that the electricity costs will be a lot higher with two phase change systems. ;)

[s7e9h3n]

Hmmmm, that's odd...this doesn't look like a dothan rig to me ;) Nice Job Conran :clap:....Good to see you back on this side of the fence :p:
Can I have your :oscar: if I ran my fx55 @ 3500 using only one stick of memory? j/k

[conrad.maranan]

The Dothan took a backseat as soon as I came across ozzimark's thread. After seeing what k|ngp|n has been doing, I've now come to realize that I should've stuck with the original plan. Nevertheless, I'm still happy. :)

The FX is in a totally different category - dual-channel versus single-channel. I killed the other half of my VX the other day, but I can stick a gig of TCCD in and try to give you the same screenshot if you like. ;)

And no, you can not have my :oscar:. I plan on holding on to it for a while. chilly1 is shipping my LN2 container prior to the end of the week. It's gon' get wicked up in hurrr. :rocker:

[xenolith]

I just did some math. I think Chilly1 said his basic single compressor rigs use only about 250 watts of power under load. So that's .25 KWHs *12 hrs (daily average) * .063 cents per KWH = .19 cents per day/$5.70 per month/$68.40 a year increase for me. So if that's right, that's peanuts to an xtreme overclocker person. :p:

[conrad.maranan]

I'm married and expecting a child. What appears to be peanuts to eligible bachelors is actually coconuts to the doomed male. ;)

[afireinside]

Conrad do you plan on using ln2 or just dry ice? I wish I could find somewhere to get ln2 around here. Dry ice is lots of fun, though :D I hope to get some good runs off as soon as school gets out with 3d@3.2ghz+

[conrad.maranan]

As soon as I receive the container, I'll play with some dry ice. I'm still shopping around for the best prices on LN2. So, I'm hoping to do DI next weekend and LN2 sometime after I come back from Palm Springs, which should be around the first week of July. I should have some Mushkin Redline XP4000 to play with by then as well.

These are a lot of firsts for me: first time with phase change, first time with DI, and first time with LN2. :) I'm just hoping that this CPU won't bug out at temperatures colder than -50C.

[afireinside]

Where are you getting your ln2? I've looked but can't find any at all. Any clues as to where to look? :D

Good luck with the dry ice! You got it easy with the chilly1 tube that holds load, unlike my crap.

[conrad.maranan]

My Dad has some contacts, so I've just been going with the numbers he's been giving me. He also has a good friend that works at Praxair. Hopefully, this guy can hook me up. I don't know where you'd go to get it since you're in New Jersey. Use Yahoo's Yellow Pages and just type in Liquid Nitrogen and see what comes up. ;)

[afireinside]

Can't find anything on Yahoo or Google... I'll have to call up that "South Jersey Welding Supply" place we always drive past... I'll need some ethlyene if I ever stop being lazy anyways so I might as well see what they have.

[uscfan]

Congrats Conrad on the babie on the way!!! My step mom is pregnant too, and one of my school teachers, and a teacher I had last year. And my ghey spanish teacher just had a baby. Must be a fertile year...

:toast:

[ozzimark]

These are a lot of firsts for me: first time with phase change, first time with DI, and first time with LN2. :) I'm just hoping that this CPU won't bug out at temperatures colder than -50C.
this should be exciting then! :toast:

hopefully you'll be able to push that little guy way past 3.5ghz and make the s754 record untouchable for a while ;)

[Luising]

wow i want a 64

[conrad.maranan]

Well, I just got back from mWave to pick up another board. I'm hoping this will be my ticket to finally being able to run some 3D benches. I'd like to take another day off to play, but calling in two days in one week is just pushing it.

I should have some results to share by tomorrow. :cool:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32211&stc=1

[Vandi423]

oooooh! You actually picked it up? Hmmmm that might be useful.

So your other board is bad or something?

[conrad.maranan]

Yeah. I posted about it briefly somewhere in this thread. And then I dedicated a thread to focus on my situation over in the 3D section of the forum. In a nuttshell, I wasn't able to complete any 3D application - the computer would just shut down. After trying everything I could think of, I finally gave up and decided to start measuring voltages on my board. It turns out that I couldn't get a DIMM voltage reading from any of the spots that I usually measure voltage from.

So maybe my other 512MB module of VX isn't truly dead. Maybe there's hope. But I still think I'm going to purchase some new memory. Mushkin Redline is calling me. ;)

[ozzimark]

Maybe there's hope
there's always hope :toast:

i take it you're gonna relax on trying to get higher screens for now, since you have the WR, and take the time to get the video card and ram working right? ;)

[conrad.maranan]

Well, the bad news is still the whole 3DMark issue. I installed the new board last night, flashed it over to a BIOS that supports Revision E processors, and I still can't get 3DMark to run. I'm lost when it comes to this dilemma.

What are the chances of a Newark 3700+ being allergic to an X850 XTPE? This is the last thing I can imagine.

[Always]

Maybe it's a silly/noob question but this CPU of yours Conrad, is it actually a Turion ML-37?

[ozzimark]

What are the chances of a Newark 3700+ being allergic to an X850 XTPE? This is the last thing I can imagine.
that seems rather unlikely. it's possible that those two little chips actually did something.. but i'm not sure what. have you tried running hard drive benches and stuff?

always: nope, it's a mobile 3700+, the ML-37 is clocked at 2.0ghz stock, and uses the lancaster core, which was shown to be a somewhat lame overclocker :(

[conrad.maranan]

Perhaps those two broken chips are affecting something. It's just strange that I can run 3DMark with the crappy card, though. Either way, thanks for accepting my request to test the card if I have to go that route.

[ozzimark]

i'm honored conrad, and i'm also very eager to get to the bottom of this

[conrad.maranan]

I was listening to some old LL and something happened...


Don't you dare stare
You better move
Don't ever compare
Me to the rest that are all gettin' sliced and diced
Competition's payin' the price

I'm gonna knock you out!

Mama said, "Knock you out!"

I'm gonna knock you out!

Mama said, "Knock you out!"

Breakdown!

CPU-Z Validated at 3516.66MHz (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=22619)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32292&stc=1

:D The good news:
- My other 512MB OCZ VX module miraculously came back to life
- I finally broke the 3.5GHz barrier - this time with 1GB of RAM at 251.2MHz 2-2-2-5-1T
- I tested my card with my sister-in-law's Clawhammer and it runs 3D apps fine

:( The bad news:
- I still can't run any 3D apps with my card using the Newark 3700+

[Jupiler]

Awesome clocks, conrad. :toast:

To bad the 3dmark problems still persist. Would love to see some 3d action with that setup.

[piotres]

I was listening to some old LL and something happened...

CPU-Z Validated at 3516.66MHz (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=22619)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32292&stc=1

:D The good news:
- My other 512MB OCZ VX module miraculously came back to life
- I finally broke the 3.5GHz barrier - this time with 1GB of RAM at 251.2MHz 2-2-2-5-1T
- I tested my card with my sister-in-law's Clawhammer and it runs 3D apps fine

:( The bad news:
- I still can't run any 3D apps with my card using the Newark 3700+

Wow awesome OC :slobber: ...are you still using chilly1 single-stage ??

[ozzimark]

- I finally broke the 3.5GHz barrier - this time with 1GB of RAM at 251.2MHz 2-2-2-5-1T
YES!!!

i knew you could do it! :toast:


as a side note.. ouch, 1.85v :slapass:
i guess it can take it if you keep the temps down

[[XC] moddolicous]

See, I knew u could do it. Never lost faith. Great OC BTW. Can u run SPI?

[Vandi423]

Great Job Conrad!

I would bet that your problems lie with those two chips. I am surprized that it even got past 3.0GHz. Too bad I don't have any extra Rev.E processors or else I'd send you one. :(

[conrad.maranan]

BIOS is set to 1.475 + 126% for that screenshot. :slobber: I'm still on the same phase change unit so there's probably more to be gained with cooler temps. I'll run SuperPI later on and see if anything has changed from the runs in my first posts.

It's pretty sad having one of the best video cards installed in my system, yet it's only capable of doing the same thing that a used $5.00 PCI card can do. :(

Vandi423 - When do you expect to have some again? PM me, bro.

[ozzimark]

that's sooo much voltage for a 90nm core. how long you think it'll last with that? ;)

i'm liking that little bit in your sig now :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

Thanks, ozzimark. As far as the voltage is concerned, I'm not afraid. :D I'm going to have to purchase another CPU anyway. Hopefully, the next chip will be just as good of an exhibitionist as this one. If not, this one can be my "suicide" chip and the other one can be my "3DMark/Multipurpose" chip. ;)

[EMC2]

Darn bro... what next, 3600? :p: Very nicely done :toast:

A suggestion regarding your 3D problem bro... try lowering the HT link multiplier (just to see, even set it to 1x)... your broken parts maybe affecting your HT link ;)

[i found nemo]

ok i don't visit these parts of the forum very often and i just seen this....conrad why din't you forward me the link??? anyways man good job as far as 3d mark freezes, why don't you get a 2600+ and test that with the same setup, just to see what's goin' on if indeed it's the chip, play around with diff rams in diff slots.....btw ur cpu pwns mine :D

[conrad.maranan]

Daniel - I've tried the full range of options on both boards - everything you can possibly imagine. No joy. :( Do you think that the two chips I broke have something to do with the way voltages are being regulated? If a crappy AGP card in the same system can run 3D, is it safe to assume that a card with greater power requirements is being affected by the CPU's inability to regulate voltages? I obviously know nothing on the subject of electrical hooplah.
:confused:

Jason - No need for a 2600+, bro. 3D works with my sister-in-law's Clawhammer on the same board. 3D also works with a crappy video card on my system. I've done everything you could think of - minus the substitution of my current CPU with the exact same one, but without the broken chips. And of course my CPU pwns yours. :D But if you're having fun with what you have, that's all that truly matters. ;)

By the way, my new goal is 3650MHz with DI and 3800MHz with LN2. I'm such a big dreamer. :D

[EMC2]

Daniel - I've tried the full range of options on both boards - everything you can possibly imagine. No joy. :( Do you think that the two chips I broke have something to do with the way voltages are being regulated? If a crappy AGP card in the same system can run 3D, is it safe to assume that a card with greater power requirements is being affected by the CPU's inability to regulate voltages? I obviously know nothing on the subject of electrical hooplah. :confused:

Bummer :( No, has nothing to do with voltages... CPU's have nothing to do with regulating the power ;) The parts broken on top are one of 2 things (picture wasn't clear enough to tell which)... either termination packs or bypass caps. Either one could affect the HT interface if they were hooked into that part of the circuitry of the CPU. That's why I suggested a lower HT multi - to get the HT link frequency way down to eliminate it as a possibility. Next time you have the evap off the CPU, if you can get me a really clear close up of the CPU (where I can read markings on the bits), I may be able to apply some Java and noodles to it ;) It's obvious from your outstanding results that they aren't hooked into the memory interface.

I'll go back too and look again closely at the symptoms and see if anything pops out.

Peace :toast:

[edit] looked thru the thread... not enough description of the problem... define "system shuts down" - you mean BSOD, reboot on it's own, PS shuts off, ???? ... also, can you individually run all the phases one at a time without the problem or is it a certain phase it fails when running 3DMark? Are there any single 3DMark phases you can run in a loop for 30 mins?

[Supertim0r]

It sound like bad memory sticks
Like you said too, it could be the broken chips but ... :stick:
Do you have some other memory ?
Too bad you guys are in the US, i've got 28gig of Value VX @ work :D

[MaxxxRacer]

conrad i cant wait to see you on ln2 with one of reggies ln2 containers. should be some crazy stuff. i just pray that you dont blow the chip doing it.

[ozzimark]

i just pray that you dont blow the chip doing it.
too late.. kinda ;)

though i too am expecting great things from this.
Conrad, i didn't see mention of this, but have you tried that x850xtpe in another rig?

[conrad.maranan]

Bummer :( No, has nothing to do with voltages... CPU's have nothing to do with regulating the power ;) The parts broken on top are one of 2 things (picture wasn't clear enough to tell which)... either termination packs or bypass caps. Either one could affect the HT interface if they were hooked into that part of the circuitry of the CPU. That's why I suggested a lower HT multi - to get the HT link frequency way down to eliminate it as a possibility. Next time you have the evap off the CPU, if you can get me a really clear close up of the CPU (where I can read markings on the bits), I may be able to apply some Java and noodles to it ;) It's obvious from your outstanding results that they aren't hooked into the memory interface.

I'll go back too and look again closely at the symptoms and see if anything pops out.

Peace :toast:

[edit] looked thru the thread... not enough description of the problem... define "system shuts down" - you mean BSOD, reboot on it's own, PS shuts off, ???? ... also, can you individually run all the phases one at a time without the problem or is it a certain phase it fails when running 3DMark? Are there any single 3DMark phases you can run in a loop for 30 mins?
My camera sucks for close-ups. I'll look and see if I still have the picture of my CPU Vandi423 sent me prior to sending the chip to me.

When I say the computer shuts down, it does just that. No BSOD, no error messages. It just turns off. I can run CL, CH, DL, DH, LL, and sometimes LH. Nature will cause the PC to shut down around 5 seconds into the test.

It sound like bad memory sticks
Like you said too, it could be the broken chips but ... :stick:
Do you have some other memory ?
Too bad you guys are in the US, i've got 28gig of Value VX @ work :D
It's not the memory. I have tested with G.Skill and OCZ TCCD as well.

conrad i cant wait to see you on ln2 with one of reggies ln2 containers. should be some crazy stuff. i just pray that you dont blow the chip doing it.
I can't wait, either. The chip seems like a goner already since it can't even run 3D with my X850 XTPE. But it'll run 3D with a crappy card.
:confused:

[conrad.maranan]

Conrad, i didn't see mention of this, but have you tried that x850xtpe in another rig?
Yup. The post is lost somewhere in this thread. ;) In my everyday Neo2 rig, I can loop 3D forever.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8588663

[MaxxxRacer]

that is really wierd conrad. did u try it with another powerful video card of a different manufacturere to make sure its not just the x850 core giving you issues?

it would be kinda odd if it was the higher power requirements of the x850 that were cuasing issues. you should try running 3dmark at near stock settings on the cpu and see what happens. if that doesnt work try clocking down the x850 real low so it sucks up lesss watts. if that doesnt work u might be able to elimate power draw as an issue.

btw has anyone figured out what those little chips do? i know they arnt for clock speed as an AMD engineer explained to me how they clock the chips..

[EnJoY]

Just flash the X850 to an X800 XT PE bios, if it's the X850 that's causing the conflict, the bios should fix it I would think.

My X800 XT PE works great on my DFI, we'll see once I get my Newark from Vandi if I have the same issues, but I hope to god I don't.

[Vandi423]

Do you guys really want to know what those chips do? I think I can find out from an AMD Engineer I know. ;)

[ozzimark]

Do you guys really want to know what those chips do? I think I can find out from an AMD Engineer I know. ;)
please, that would be awesome :)


and now we know it's not the video card.. hrm :confused:

[i found nemo]

Jason - No need for a 2600+, bro. 3D works with my sister-in-law's Clawhammer on the same board. 3D also works with a crappy video card on my system. I've done everything you could think of - minus the substitution of my current CPU with the exact same one, but without the broken chips. And of course my CPU pwns yours. :D But if you're having fun with what you have, that's all that truly matters. ;)

By the way, my new goal is 3650MHz with DI and 3800MHz with LN2. I'm such a big dreamer. :D


you can do that with no prob 3650 should be a sinch, but don't insult the sempron gods, they are close incontact with the 754 gods which will damn your processor :D

[conrad.maranan]

Just flash the X850 to an X800 XT PE bios, if it's the X850 that's causing the conflict, the bios should fix it I would think.

My X800 XT PE works great on my DFI, we'll see once I get my Newark from Vandi if I have the same issues, but I hope to god I don't.
I have tried that as well. The card works with a Clawhammer installed in the same board. It just doesn't work with my Newark that has two broken chips. The card is flawless, as I can run it in other systems.

Vandi423 - If you can find out what those chips do, we'd truly appreciate it. :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

I think it's time for a quick update with my situation.

I have been in touch with EMC2 and he has informed me that my 3D problems with the X850 XTPE have been stemming from the two broken chips on my CPU. So a new CPU is definitely my only solution to the problem.

On a happier note, I received a notification from USPS that my DI/LN2 container is on the way. Dry ice this weekend, anyone? :D

[trans am]

just make sure the wife is not in the same room. and you might want to haul everything out to the back yard and use an extention cord. It's going to get smelly!

[twilius_basic]

On a happier note, I received a notification from USPS that my DI/LN2 container is on the way. Dry ice this weekend, anyone? :D

Don't disappoint us ;) :D

[afireinside]

That sucks about your chip being broken conrad :( Did the chip come broken or did you do it?

Just make sure you have a window open and you won't have to worry about the smell. I'm giving dry ice another shot as soon as I get out of school friday and I get my ceramique in the mail. Hope I can get higher than 3122 this time :stick:

[ozzimark]

I have been in touch with EMC2 and he has informed me that my 3D problems with the X850 XTPE have been stemming from the two broken chips on my CPU. So a new CPU is definitely my only solution to the problem.
just because i'm an engineer in training, he give you any specific explainations? :D

and good luck! this should be exciting :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

Don't disappoint us ;) :D
I'll do my best not to. But I don't know how my poor CPU is going to do.

That sucks about your chip being broken conrad :( Did the chip come broken or did you do it?

Just make sure you have a window open and you won't have to worry about the smell. I'm giving dry ice another shot as soon as I get out of school friday and I get my ceramique in the mail. Hope I can get higher than 3122 this time :stick:
I'd rather inhale all of the fumes and pass out. :lol: Best of luck with your next DI run. May the OC force be with you. :rocker:

just because i'm an engineer in training, he give you any specific explainations? :D

and good luck! this should be exciting :toast:
Check your PM, bro.

[afireinside]

I love inhaling fumes... I bet all the winshield wiper fluid from my window AC chiller res did WONDERS for my brain! Good luck to you to, I used isopropyal alcohol or whatever last time which I later found out is garbage so I know to use acetone this time. I have to deal with my leaking container first...

[conrad.maranan]

I have to deal with my leaking container first...
I take it you're still using Elmer's Glue to "bond" the cylinder to the base. :rofl:

[afireinside]

No but I will have to do that again this time... The second time I brazed it great with my MAPP torch and the kitchen stove but when I took the tube apart to cut up the base and drill some holes in it I just knocked it off with a hammer :lol: So the tube bent a bit and so did the base and there were chunks of brazing rod stuck to the base so rebrazing didn't go so well. I got lazy and just melted the stuff on there...

Actually when the glue is frozen it DOES bond it to the base. After taking my tube off I swung it around like a baseball bat and the frozen glue stuck them together. But once I torched the base to warm it up the glue melted, it fell apart, and I had a hell of a mess to clean up :(

[conrad.maranan]

Just check out the shine on my new toy. More blinding than anything a ghetto superstar will ever have to offer. :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32687&stc=1

[ozzimark]

sooooooo shiny! :slobber:

[bachus_anonym]

:slobber: :hrhr:

...sorry, can't say anything... i'm speechless...

[conrad.maranan]

There's a lot more pics. We'll try to put the review up on the front page tomorrow. :D The bling is just insane, especially after working it with Meguiar's NXT Generation All Metal Polysh and a high-speed automotive buffer.

My wife is hating me and this container right now, so I'll catch up with ya'll tomorrow. :slash:

[conrad.maranan]

It looks like I can finally run 3D with my chip. I noticed some legs from the broken chips making contact with one another, so I'm assuming it was just shorting itself out. I filed down those legs and made the surface perfectly flat and was able to loop 01 for over an hour at 12x250MHz and stock clocks on the card. Hopefully, it'll continue to behave itself once I bump up the CPU and GPU clocks.

I'll get down to some benching as soon as I finish my review for the DFI nF3 Ultra-D board.

[Vandi423]

That's good news. :D

Looking forward to the review! :banana:

[EMC2]

It looks like I can finally run 3D with my chip. I noticed some legs from the broken chips making contact with one another, so I'm assuming it was just shorting itself out. I filed down those legs and made the surface perfectly flat and was able to loop 01 for over an hour at 12x250MHz and stock clocks on the card. Hopefully, it'll continue to behave itself once I bump up the CPU and GPU clocks.

I thought you had already completely removed them from the CPU :slap: :p:

Glad to hear you have it working :D Now let's see what she has ;)

Peace :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

The chips were removed. But upon closer examination, I noticed some legs that were leftover making contact with one another. I was actually disassembling everything from the case so that I can mount the DI/LN2 tube. And that's when I noticed the problem. So it all went back in the case again after I filed the legs down and miraculously, it ran. :D

Saturday is dry ice day. I've been tied up with a lot of other things so I'm a little bit slower these days. ;)

[ozzimark]

nice to hear conrad! kinda funny that something so small like that can cause such annoying problems eh? ;)

and i know what you mean about being busy.. i picked up a stick of ram to play with. it's fun :toast:

[EMC2]

The chips were removed. But upon closer examination, I noticed some legs that were leftover making contact with one another. First rule of mods (unintentional or not)... examine with a magnifying glass under bright lights before plugging in :p:


Saturday is dry ice day. I've been tied up with a lot of other things so I'm a little bit slower these days. ;)

I understand completely ;) Hope all is going well on the "new addition" front :D

Good luck with the Dice run :toast:

[twilius_basic]

Saturday is dry ice day. I've been tied up with a lot of other things so I'm a little bit slower these days. ;)

I for one am EXTREMELY interested in how you do :) I have my Newark here, which sadly I haven't been able to test AT ALL yet, and since I'm leaving town tomorrow, I won't be able to test it until next week sometime to see if it's a good clocker :(........

BUT, if it's good, I plan on stickin it under a Chilly DI tube :D So I wanna see how you do (if there's cold-bug or whatever), and waht to shoot for :cool:

Good luck!

[conrad.maranan]

Daniel - The "new addition" is fine, but what's been holding me down lately is our recent townhome purchase. So trying to obtain price quotes on this and that and haggling with different contractors is a chore. :)

William - I have a gut feeling that I'm not going to go very far with LN2. I think the cold bug will be inevitable. Dry ice should be fine, though, but it all remains to be seen. :cool: I'm pretty sure your CPU will be an excellent clocker as well. :up:

[afireinside]

I got a new toy too! (http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/asdice/)

It's not all blinged out like your but it will work great :D (thanks kingpin!)

Have you run 3d under phasechange yet? If so what's your max 3D clock?

[conrad.maranan]

I like the inner base of that container. It looks like a street manhole cover. :D Head out to the auto parts store and pick up some Meguiar's polish and work it down with a high-RPM rotary. It'll bling.

I ran the CPU at 12x250MHz and the card at stock clocks. I'll leave the office in about an hour, grab a bite to eat, clean out a table, and start setting everything up for my next run. The four partitions I'll be setting up on my Raptor will be as follows:

- Windows 2000 Professional for 3DMark2001 SE
- Windows 2000 Professional for SuperPI
- Windows 2000 Professional for suicide screenshot
- Windows XP Professional for 3DMark03 and 3DMark05

It's going to be a long night. :coffee:

[afireinside]

I'd go for a PATA drive so you don't have to worry about any freaky SATA issues poping up...

I think you want server 2k3 for Pi, do you not? Why the seperate suicide shot partition? Afraid of blowing the install up? :D

I need to do an XP pro partition for 03/05/AM3 as well... My DX9 partition is on win 2k now and it doesn't work so well.

[conrad.maranan]

I'd go for a PATA drive so you don't have to worry about any freaky SATA issues poping up...

I think you want server 2k3 for Pi, do you not? Why the seperate suicide shot partition? Afraid of blowing the install up? :D

I need to do an XP pro partition for 03/05/AM3 as well... My DX9 partition is on win 2k now and it doesn't work so well.
I don't have any PATA drives - only a drawer full of Raptors. ;) I don't have Server 2003 either. I think the evaluation version is still up at Microsoft, but my wife told me that our Internet has been funky for the last couple of hours. We'll see.

As for the suicide partition...no Ricky Tweak for lower heat output and a generic video card for less power draw. I don't want to resort to rolling back drivers and what have you. I'm going the strictly mafia route this time around. :lol: Shoot. I still need to VMOD the card. :eek:

[afireinside]

Volt mods eh... Might want to do that first ;) After 4 windows installs your brain will be on the verge of killing it's self.

[conrad.maranan]

I have decided not to go all out with my proposed benching partitions. I'll just save it for my LN2 run. :D

Anyway, I got around to finally playing with my card this morning. My goal was to get a feel for how it will perform with the stock heatsink and fan. My soldering iron conked out on me, so my VMODs were limited to pencil mods. This was a straight run with 6 out of 7 tests completed artifact-free (Nature had a few small triangles towards the end). I'm hoping for at least 150MHz more on the CPU side with dry ice tomorrow. The GPU core is going to get worked hard as soon as I get home and hook it up to the phase change box. I still doubt I'm going to hit 40K. The Mushkin Redline XP-4000 I just ordered should allow me to run 1:1 with LN2, but the VX is going to have to do for now since it's the best I have at the moment.

GPU - 654MHz
DDR - 711MHz
VGPU - 1.5V
VDDR - 2.45V
VDDQ - 2.45V
Stock heatsink and fan at 100% speed

CPU - 3230.18MHz (12x269.18MHz)
RAM - 230.73MHz (9/10 Divider)
Evap at -31C to -30C during 3DMark run

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33066&stc=1

[afireinside]

Nice :D I need an X800 card... Your score CRUSHES my 6800/2.9ghz claw run even with the slower memory.

Phased/volt modded card and dry ice with 260+ memory I wouldn't doubt 40k... Nice memory clock on the card by the way :up:

[conrad.maranan]

There's definitely some more room on the card for extra voltage. I only had around an hour and a half to play around this morning, so I'll pick up where I left off. I'd like to see how the card's memory responds to 2.55V or 2.60V with some heatsinks and a small fan. 2.45V was already pushing it without RAM sinks or even a fan. :lol:

[afireinside]

Hmmm yeah ram sinks sounds like a good idea :p: Are you running caseless now? Make sure you put fans all over, the board gets HOT without them.

I'm about to swap out to my DFI on water to play with my 6800s memory timings and see if I can break 950mhz on it's memory now. Might do some dual PSU action as well. I can't catch you in 3dmark but I'm going to try my damndest to beat you out in Pi :D

[conrad.maranan]

Everything was in a closed case for that run. I haven't examined my mounting blocks yet but if I can manage to use the blocks for the GPU cooler on the CPU cooler, I'll take advantage of the -20C unloaded difference that the CPU phase box has to offer. And maybe I can just have my wife hold the GPU evap down onto the chipset so I can run the chipset at 1.9V. :lol:

I've got fans galore and will have them draw power from another PSU. I'm so ready to play. I just have to pick up some dry ice and I'll be good to go. :cool:

My SuperPI times are easy to beat right now. If my pair of Redlines happen to be sprinkled with pixie dust, you'll eat my shorts. :D

[afireinside]

I ran 1.9V with a thermalright NB1 sitting on my south bridge. If chilly1 used his regular evap and not the micro one for your GPU unit the hold downs should be universal with both blocks. If I can somehow get my chip to run 383 htt under dry ice for 3.45ghz with my BH5 at 265mhz damage will be done :D The question is, can I get that HTT to run still? Stay tuned to find out!

This is kind of like a TV show.. But you're the only viewer :( I've also invaded your thread with my progress as well :lol:

[Raybo]

I was parusing the threads and just saw this one, very nice conrad, very nice indeed!

Just goes to show that knowledge is much more important than luck.(guess I have to hunker down on my OC'ing knowledge :comp10: )

Keep it up. :up:

[harleybro]

conrad nice work on your OC so far. As far as ramsinks make sure they'll come off. Rem. when you're freezing the card your mem will also get cold at least mine did on DI. Using ramsinks gave a bigger surface area for absobing surrounding heat. At least that's the way I look at it. On DI my card is frozen to within a short distance of the mem. :)

[conrad.maranan]

I haven't ordered a container for the GPU yet, but I do have plans to. Just with the smaller phase change unit, I have noticed slight condensation forming close to the memory chips. So I understand what you're saying about the whole heatsink deal. Maybe a nice fan will be good enough once it's all plugged in.

Anyone know who has the highest 01 score with a 754? I need something to shoot for.

[ozzimark]

If I can somehow get my chip to run 383 htt under dry ice for 3.45ghz with my BH5 at 265mhz damage will be done :D The question is, can I get that HTT to run still? Stay tuned to find out!
i think i'm just lucky? took 1.7v to do this, 1.8v.. was being weird and my 2x LDT wasn't working, so the ht link is definitly being pushed too far out of spec at this point, but i did use it for a while at this speed and it's definitly stable :woot:

conrad, i'm expecting you to leave me at a loss for words. good luck :rocker:
(and definitly use fans.. lots of em! :D)

[conrad.maranan]

425.1MHz?! :slobber:

[afireinside]

I got up to 391 on water no problems. 2x HT multi won't boot for me either.

I heard about a timing on my 6800 that I could change from 5 to 6 for some nice memory gains but unfortunatly it's already at 6. I guess my 950 stock -> 950mhz after volt mod card is a dud :stick:

[ozzimark]

425.1MHz?! :slobber:
stock chipset heatsink too :eek: :D



I got up to 391 on water no problems. 2x HT multi won't boot for me either.
interesting.. i'm tempted to try the 4/15 bios to see if it fixes the problem.. more is definitly doable :p:

and that concludes my random outburst for the day, back to you conrad ;)

[conrad.maranan]

and that concludes my random outburst for the day, back to you conrad ;)
:rofl: No more news on this front at the moment. Expect to see an exaggerated screenshot somewhere in the neighborhood of 38,000 in the morning...and hopefully 40,000 by Sunday afternoon. Now back to you, Mr. Weatherman. :cool:

[EMC2]

/me passes out :coffee: to the participants and popcorn to the viewing gallery :p:

Wanna borrow my 32-gallon sippee cup for your run Conrad? :lol:

Good hunting to all 3 of you :D

Peace :toast:

[Below Ambient]

nice job dude... id sure like to see what you could do with a 939

[conrad.maranan]

Today marks the worst day I've had in a very long time. "How bad can it possibly be, Conrad?" Well, let me start by saying that I flushed some good hardware down the drain.

Early this morning, I mounted my phase change unit to the X850 XTPE. Sweet. Eveerything is running good, so I bump up the VGPU to 1.75V and am pushing 700MHz easy on the core; no artifacts until I get to Nature - and that's where the small triangles come up in the end. Fine. Let's bump up the VDD and VDDQ a little bit since the memory is running nice and cool now. 2.6V for VDD and 2.62V for VDDQ. As soon as I start ramping up the memory clocks in RivaTuner, the computer shuts down. After about three hours of trying to get the card to work again, it just wouldn't wake up. :(

Screw it. Let's not let 10 pounds of dry ice go to waste. Let's push the Newark 3700+ to new heights. :rocker:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33126&stc=1

Crappy AGP card in place and everything is good to go. So I open up ClockGen and CPU-Z and start pushing the clocks. I make it up to around 3660MHz and the system shuts down just as I'm getting ready to save my screenshot in Photoshop. Okay. Let's go into BIOS and give the VCORE a little bump. 1.475 + 126% and the system boots into Windows no problem. I start working my way up from 12x265MHz in ClockGen - 5MHz increments in 30 second intervals just to make sure everything marinates well. At 270MHz, I decided to take a quick snapshot of my block temps. Check out how well the chilly1 DI/LN2 container just holds temps. :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33127&stc=1

As soon as I applied my clocks for 310MHz, I was greeted with a BSOD. The dry ice/acetone concoction is starting to make me nauseous, so now's a good time for a quick cigarette break. Five minutes later, I power up the system and a tiny spark shoots out just next to the base insulation and one of the board's capacitors. A few droplets of condensation just managed to spoil my fun. Even after disconnecting everything and taking a hair drier to the board, it never started up again. :(

I should've captured a screenshot after every adjustment was applied. I ended my day with nothing but dead hardware...and absolutely nothing to show for. This blows because my chip obviously doesn't have the cold bug.

In closing, I'm tempted to pick up another board on Monday from mWave. But I doubt I'm going to drop another $450 for an AGP card. If anything, I'll just pick up an X800XL. I need a new hobby.
:fact:

[bachus_anonym]

OH man!!! I'm sorry to hear that, Conrad :( Mobo and VC dead? :( This is a disaster!
Try not to worry, man! Tommorow is a new day :buddies:

EDIT: Are there any visible signs of damage on the mobo and vc itself? If there are, maybe it can be possible to fix it :shrug:

[Supertim0r]

OH ! :( sorry to hear this Conrad !
Xtreme Overclocking is an expensive hobby for sure :rolleyes:
maybe you could rma your dead hardware if it's not "highly modded" ;)
keep us updated !

[EMC2]

I feel it bro :(

On the bright side, looks like your CPU is indeed very sweet :D

Does the MB cause the PS to shut down when you attempt to boot, or does it accept power without causing a PS shutdown and just not make it thru POST? If it's PS shutdown, might be able to remove the cap where the arc occurred and resurrect the MB...

Future note... snapshots with digicam of screen ;)

And remember always - you still have the important things in life :D

Peace :toast:

[afireinside]

Ouch... thats horrible man, especially the video card :( Let the mobo dry out for a bit more. I had my first DFI sit in a puddle for 2 hours and after 2 days drying it worked fine. If you got water under the caps though, its toast. Happened to me as well my first run :( Just got a black screen and it never ran again, even a week later with completely different hardware. Plastic sheeting is a must...

[ozzimark]

DAMN! :( :( this is sad conrad.. dead hardware always breaks my heart, esp when it's being used for such a good cause :dammit:



This blows because my chip obviously doesn't have the cold bug.
but on a positive note.. it does seem this way :woot: :woot:




And remember always - you still have the important things in life :D
qft, it's always better to be sad with someone than to be sad alone :buddies:

[NickS]

Dang man. That sucks, but I guess...well..you're lucky anyway. I can't get 2400MHz on my Newcastle even with 1.83v stable. Guess I have a bad chip. 2200MHz causes games to pause sometimes. But, I got a nice 39s SuperPi @ 2.4GHz.

3.5GHz on a s754--that is my next processor lol. When are they going to be released?

[conrad.maranan]

Are there any visible signs of damage on the mobo and vc itself? If there are, maybe it can be possible to fix it :shrug:
I have examined everything with a magnifying glass. There is nothing that appears to be shorted out. Everything is packed back up in boxes for now. I'll cross my fingers and fire everything up again in a few days. Maybe they'll just miraculously come back to life in the same way that my VX did. :)

maybe you could rma your dead hardware if it's not "highly modded" ;)
I hope you're aware that's against our Forum Policies. I would never do such a thing, my friend. Please refrain from suggesting such in the future.

Does the MB cause the PS to shut down when you attempt to boot, or does it accept power without causing a PS shutdown and just not make it thru POST? If it's PS shutdown, might be able to remove the cap where the arc occurred and resurrect the MB...

And remember always - you still have the important things in life :D
The power supply does not shut down. The fans all spin and the LEDs on the board can still turn on. I just don't get a display to screen, even with other AGP cards installed. :(

As for the important things in life: today marks my first wedding anniversary. I'm not even going to think about my bad luck with hardware today. ;)

Let the mobo dry out for a bit more. I had my first DFI sit in a puddle for 2 hours and after 2 days drying it worked fine. If you got water under the caps though, its toast.
I'll let everything sit for a few days. Hopefully, it'll all just come back to life again.

DAMN! :( :( this is sad conrad.. dead hardware always breaks my heart, esp when it's being used for such a good cause :dammit:
If you were to tabulate all of the hardware I have RMA'd for replacement and purchased because of failures, you'll realize how disappointed I am. I'm almost discouraged at this point, but I...must...find...reason...to...go...on...

3.5GHz on a s754--that is my next processor lol. When are they going to be released?
Send a PM to Vandi423. He's the source for Newark chips. ;)

[ozzimark]

I have examined everything with a magnifying glass. There is nothing that appears to be shorted out. Everything is packed back up in boxes for now. I'll cross my fingers and fire everything up again in a few days. Maybe they'll just miraculously come back to life in the same way that my VX did. :)
i'm crossing my fingers for you, this stuff better come back!!

(speaking of which, i vote for an addition of a good luck smilie!)

[D U R A N D A L]

Holy Crap! And I thought I had reached my limit!
Those Newark Mobiles are really something!

[chilly1]

HAppy to see teh container working, well.. Did you get a temp in bios?.. Did you use the seal string?

[twilius_basic]

Hey Conrad, just got to read up on this thread :) Sorry to hear about your losses :( sounds like you had it going until hardware started going kaput.

Like Chilly asked, can you tell me what sort of temps you saw in the BIOS, when you were reading -75C at the base? I would really appreciate that :)

I hope to try Chilly's container on my Newark sometime soon too, I hope it goes far like yours did (too bad you couldn't get any screens :( )

Cheers,

-William

[conrad.maranan]

Reggie - Yes. I did use both the seal string and the foam insulation tape that you included in the last parcel. I guess I skimped out too much and didn't make use of enough insulation. I have learned my lesson the hard way, sir. :(

William - The temp reading I had in BIOS fluctuated from -55C to -50C. For the most part, it was glued to -55C. chilly1 tubes are the only way to go. Just look at how close the block temps remained to the actual temperature of dry ice. :D

And here's the bottom line: My Newark 3700+ is another dead component to add to my list of graveyard-bound hardware. I picked up another DFI board early this morning from mWave. Before going back home, I drove out to my sister-in-law's house to borrow the Clawhammer I installed in her system a while back. I fired up the brand new board with my Newark and it was a no-go. The Newark was removed and the Clawhammer took its place. Everything fired up smooth with the Clawhammer.

$118.66 for the new board was my last hope and attempt to break into the 3.7GHz zone. This system is done with and I'll be moving on to something else when time permits. So, gentlemen. I leave you all with 3516.66MHz as the top 754 number to beat. It has been a fun and frustrating ride for me, so I wish you all the best.
:toast:

[xenolith]

Sorry to see your saga end so tragically, Conrad. Your Newark was a fine piece of hardware that gave its life admirably. I hope you plan on giving it a proper resting spot? :oscar:

I have a feeling 3516.66MHz for a s754 will be a long lived WR. :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

I have a feeling 3516.66MHz for a s754 will be a long lived WR. :toast:
Well if twilius_basic travels the dry ice route, he'll take me down easily. 3.7GHz would have been a reality with a slight adjustment to VCORE. And if his chip really enjoys playing in the cold, I can only imagine what LN2 would do. :slobber:

I'm Googling for custom acrylic trophies right now. I'd like to have the chip embedded in clear acrylic (or something similar) and have a high-resolution photo of my CPU-Z verification right next to it. :D It'll make a nice paperweight.

[SDX]

I'm Googling for custom acrylic trophies right now. I'd like to have the chip embedded in clear acrylic (or something similar) and have a high-resolution photo of my CPU-Z verification right next to it. It'll make a nice paperweight.

LOL, post pics when its done, that would be awesome!

[MaxxxRacer]

now that is Xtreme conrad.... a bit creepy... but xtreme none the less.

[EMC2]

It was a wild and wooly ride Conrad, you did very well bro :up: :woot:

Sorry to hear about your rocket fizzling :( I'm sure your next project will go even better though with the knowledge learned on this ride :D

Peace :toast:

[twilius_basic]

Well I'm really sorry like the other guys that your adventure has ended thus :doh: You did good though m8 :cool:

I will of course be using your Newark as my goal when I try dry ice :toast: However, I must warn you that I'm not very good at suicide-screens. My SS tends to only be a little higher than my bench-stable speeds.

I have my X850XTPE here, hopefully tomorrow or day after I can test it. If it clocks good on air, then I will hopefully try DI on CPU+GPU sometime soon, and strive for the stratosphere.
I know I won't make it, but I'll try if this X850 is any good :)

Good luck with whatever you do next :toast: even when we have disappointing/frustrating experiences, at least we can learn from them, to do better next time :woot:

[bias_hjorth]

Awesome Conrad. Glad to see the s754 is still kicking serious butt.

Well done :toast:

[NickS]

Send a PM to Vandi423. He's the source for Newark chips. ;)


Thanks man! Will do! :)

[[XC] moddolicous]

Sorry to hear that conrad. Hopefully u will take pictures next time.

[twilius_basic]

Conrad, can you offer me any tips?

I (very) unexpectedly got a few lbs of DI today, so I figured I'd try a little out on my Newark and just get a feel for things :)

Well so far, my feelings have been disappointment :( I don't have a temp probe, so I have to go off BIOS readings, but after remounting a couple times, I get -45C or so at stock vcore, -33C or so at 1.375 x 126% = 1.73v.

Does that sound about right? I've got the screws tightened down as tight as I can freakin get them.

Btw since I'm on my crapped up WinXP install, I've just been messing around, not trying for high scores or anything. Since this latest remount has better contact, I was able to run Car High at 3306mhz (before it just locked up when I tried to open 3DMark2001). Not too bad I don't think :) But you remember how I said I suck at suicide-shots? Well it holds true --- I still can't even match your 3.5ghz screeny :stick: Everytime I get close to it I get BSOD. More voltage doesn't seem to help.
Condensation isn't a problem atm either.

I'm sure I'll be out of DI before I get a response, but never-the-less I'd like some advice for next time if you don't mind :)

*EDIT* Also, SmartGuardian is currently reading 205-206C (a.k.a. -49C to 50C) IDLE while typing.... do you remember what it said when you were running? Of course load temps go up way higher.

[twilius_basic]

Okay :) Also FYI, chipset = 1.8v, AGP = 1.6v, LDT = 3X. Dunno if any of that matters to ya.

And I tried 3330mhz for Car High, but it crashed+locked up. Tried again with slight volt bump to 1.4v x 126%, but same thing. More volts don't seem to help past what I am at now.

[conrad.maranan]

This is a screenshot of my baseline settings when I had the CPU hooked up to the phase change unit:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33066

Judging from what I was able to see during my brief dry ice stint, I think I could've benched 3DMark2001 at 3350MHz to 3400MHz. 3306MHz should still net you a good 3D score. Anyway, my BIOS settings with the phase change are as follows:

CPU - 1.475V + 123%
CHIPSET - 1.8V
AGP - 1.6V
LDT - 2

Keep the chipset nice and cool with a fan and you'll be kosher. You also have to adjust frequencies gradually in ClockGen or else the system will just lock up. I try to ramp up 5MHz at a time and let it sit for 20 to 30 seconds before I make any further adjustments.

I don't rely on software for temperature readings, but BIOS did register a reading of -55°C to -50°C during my dry ice run and around -20°C with the phase change unit.

Pick up some more dry ice - I'm confident you'll get some good runs in. :toast:

[twilius_basic]

Thanks dude :toast:

You had a nice benchable speed on just phase-change :cool: And that X850 is awesome! :eek: Mine only does 587/654 (or 618 tight timings) on stock cooling :(

But like I said, I don't have a Win2K bench drive setup, so no scores this time. My chipset has one of those Vantec Iceberq clones on it (has a fan) so it should be good to go. I too have known for a while to ClockGen up slowly if I don't want a hard-lock :D

I wish I had a temp probe, but ATM I'm spending WAY too much money, so that will have to wait for another day, probably far in the future :slash:

"Pick up some more dry ice - I'm confident you'll get some good runs in."

I wish it was that easy :( There actually isn't a place to purchase DI in town.... the only place that gets any is the local grocery store sometimes with their shipments, and even then it ain't much. I've already asked a couple times, but they say they are not allowed to give it away or sell it :rolleyes: Prolly cause I'm gonna go make some atom bomb with it or something :banana: heh heh.

But the way I got this batch, was cause a friend I guess was just driving by the back of the store, and happened to see where they had thrown it all out into a puddle in the street. So he phoned me up cause he had heard me mention needing dry ice before, so me and teh bro drove over with an Igloo and loaded it up :cool: Wasn't much there, but at least I got a little to play with :toast:
Now if only they would TELL me when they were gonna throw it out or something.... then I could get a few lbs every week!

[D U R A N D A L]

Iv'e fried two motherboards through bad installations or overvoltages.that and recnetly my memory stick (overvoltage).. That's a good $400 down the drain.

Yes our hobby can be expinsive :(

But I stil do it...