ATI AMR, and DFI Radeon Xpress X200 Board in action... 10,600 in 3dmark2005

[Kunaak]

alittle birdy sent this my way, and needless to say, I was impressed.
by the way, word is, you can expect that hardware in about 6 weeks ;)

http://www.firingsquad.com/features/computex_2005_day_one/page3.asp

to give credit to where credit is due, please check out the link above, cause the pics are thiers, not mine :p:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31665&stc=1

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[Major]

This is going to be a fun Summer ! ;)

[JohnyKnoxville]

Meh, I wish I would have keep my X850XT PE :/

[cupra]

absolutely major

and alleluia ATI :YIPPIE:

[Shadowmage]

Wow!

How much do 2x6800U do in SLI mode, 3dmark05?

[Rabidmoose171]

I thouyght the cards connected via a outside dvi dongle?

[grimREEFER]

Wow!

How much do 2x6800U do in SLI mode, 3dmark05?
around the same.

[unclutchable]

Wow!

How much do 2x6800U do in SLI mode, 3dmark05?

I think its like 7,500 - 9,000 marks or so.

[wfarid]

i love dfi, and hopefully their crossfire board will be just as kick ass as their nforce 4 board... But one thing that I am happy about is the SPACING between the two cards, from what i can tell dfi double spaced the pci X16 slots, which is an awesome move. More room means more air which means less heat... And I'm happy to hear about the pricing as well... :D

hmm i thought there was an adapter that plugged into both cards such as this:

[Kunaak]

it might just be shots of them testing... no idea really.
it's from the DFI booth at Computex.

[perry_78]

Even though this is nice, it means that one has to have a chipset + gfx brand from the same chip manufacturer. If I now wanted dual x850xt's I would have to get a CF x850xt + a DFI x200 board. Terrible...

That is terrible news, disregarding the good news that dual GFX now works with ATI cards.

[nCrusader]

Wow!

How much do 2x6800U do in SLI mode, 3dmark05?

Around 9800 according to this test:
http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=article&dId=771
"3DMark05 is known to favour nVidia cards, so it’ll be interesting to see some results using other benchmarks." :confused: :rolleyes: :stick:

Another thing:
"Interestingly, if you’re going to be upgrading to a Crossfire setup you’ll need to purchase the primary card directly from ATI, as we were told from numerous vendors that ATI will maintain full control over these."
:eh: Something tells me they will be hard to find for quiete some time.

[unclutchable]

9,800? i see a lot of them scoring like 7,800 range..

[Badong]

Even though this is nice, it means that one has to have a chipset + gfx brand from the same chip manufacturer. If I now wanted dual x850xt's I would have to get a CF x850xt + a DFI x200 board. Terrible...

That is terrible news, disregarding the good news that dual GFX now works with ATI cards.
Well according to most reviews ATI is likely to expand CrossFire support to other platforms in future. I sure hope that in near future end-user will have an independent platrom choice..

[n00b 0f l337]

In those pics the dongle is only connected to card 1... why?

[Badong]

Just picture of the system running, probably.

[Damien]

*sigh* and I just bought my ultra-d...

[[XC] moddolicous]

wow, this is neat. I think with some LN2, we can expect 16k from someone pretty soon. Hopefully, OPP will get his 45k in 3D01 with a set-up like this.

[The Mofo]

Thats awesome. Any hints as to the maximum Vdimm/Core on those new ATI boards?

[Pejsen]

Thats awesome. Any hints as to the maximum Vdimm/Core on those new ATI boards?


I too would like to know this. As i have just ordered X2 with a DFI Ultra nforce4

[cantankerous]

*sigh* and I just bought my ultra-d...

Believe me I know this feeling all too well. Getting a little discouraged with all this newer, better stuff coming out as soon as I buy other things. Getting to be a bit impossible to keep up with other monetary priorities in life. I'm far from rich. I guess I will just have to settle with my Ultra-D for a while longer and just upgrade to a SD or FX and R520 in the winter.

[M.Beier]

I too would like to know this. As i have just ordered X2 with a DFI Ultra nforce4

Hmm, seems like I aint gonna stay on top10 in DK in the futuremark products for long :P

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Anyways... Im chocked by the results... Think they're bad.. - Fought x850XTPE in AMR would hit 11.250-12.000 STOCK... :| - would like a test of my comming setup though.... R520+R480... :)

- 12k

[skate2snow]

Very nice:)....

I'm happy to see that we can still use our current cards with it:)... But should we expect the CrossFire to be more expensive then the normal edition?

And is that post card comming with the motherboard or its a separate accuisition you made?

Thanks:)

[M.Beier]

Only one card has to be CF, right??

[Badong]

Anyways... Im chocked by the results... Think they're bad.. - Fought x850XTPE in AMR would hit 11.250-12.000 STOCK... :|
Keep in mind that those socres are with some ealry Beta drivers. Things will improve :)

[arcane613]

Anyways... Im chocked by the results... Think they're bad.. - Fought x850XTPE in AMR would hit 11.250-12.000 STOCK... :| - would like a test of my comming setup though.... R520+R480... :)

- 12k

i do believe in the article they said the switched the slave x850xt for an xtpe. so xtpe + xt, unless im completely mistaken... cus i thought the first was 2 x850xt, and the second was the xt + xtpe

[WiCKeD]

I thouyght the cards connected via a outside dvi dongle?Might be only on non-Crossfire boards?

[skate2snow]

Anyways... Im chocked by the results... Think they're bad.. - Fought x850XTPE in AMR would hit 11.250-12.000 STOCK... :| - would like a test of my comming setup though.... R520+R480... :)

- 12kX850XT and 6800U were pretty fairly equal, ATI just a little better.... So why would you see 12k stock vs like 7k stock? Those are not the new Cards, they are still X800.... Only CF editions,,, AMR capable...

[craig588]

I like the peanut.

[dippyskoodlez]

I like the peanut.

but wait.. theres more!

A SECOND PEANUT!!

whats up with those? :D

[Mr. Tinker]

In those pics the dongle is only connected to card 1... why?

Just picture of the system running, probably.
Nope, noob is astute (as usual). Something is up. (http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/8390)

[Lizard]

I think the reason the two cards are not using a connection between them is the pci card below the two vid cards. I read somewhere that you will be able to use Crossfire a multitude of ways and one of them being a pci card. There will be Mobos that will have chips that will control Crossfire via bios settings, but they willl only be on high end boards due to the price of making something like that available in the bios. (4 or 5 chips @ 1$ a pop) I am thinking that the pci card is just a variation of that. Someone I am sure knows more than I, but I think I might be close??..

[celemine1Gig]

I think the reason the two cards are not using a connection between them is the pci card below the two vid cards. I read somewhere that you will be able to use Crossfire a multitude of ways and one of them being a pci card. There will be Mobos that will have chips that will control Crossfire via bios settings, but they willl only be on high end boards due to the price of making something like that available in the bios. (4 or 5 chips @ 1$ a pop) I am thinking that the pci card is just a variation of that. Someone I am sure knows more than I, but I think I might be close??..

The card you are referring to on the pics has nothing to do with crossfire. That is a post-code card. ;) :D

[Vapor]

Nope, noob is astute (as usual). Something is up. (http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/8390)Hmmmm....seems two slaves do particularly well together without the dongle. It also seems that a X800 CF (400/980, mind you) and an X850 flashed to X800 (520/1120) seemed to get 10k...two X850XTpes probably will get 11.5k, I imagine. Then add 5.6s and other advances and we'll see 12k soon, I'm sure.

[dippyskoodlez]

that tech report link r0x.

cleared up the confusion I had :D

Identical normal cards = slave/slave, not as fast, and have to be identical.
normal card+ Xfire card = master/slave and get a performance boot (optimal) and dont have to have IDENTICAL cards... but which cards are supported, seems to be x800's only so far-- I sure hope they support x700's too :(

[STEvil]

twin slave x800xl's..... wonder if a flash might be all it takes to go from slave to xfire too maybe?

[Kunaak]

Believe me I know this feeling all too well. Getting a little discouraged with all this newer, better stuff coming out as soon as I buy other things. Getting to be a bit impossible to keep up with other monetary priorities in life. I'm far from rich. I guess I will just have to settle with my Ultra-D for a while longer and just upgrade to a SD or FX and R520 in the winter.

the ultra D has been around for a few months now, it's not like they just released it last week, then ATI came out with this....

[mr_knowitall15]

9,800? i see a lot of them scoring like 7,800 range..
where do you see that??? i can get almost 6000 with a single agp 6800GT at 415/1.12.

[calcal]

how much do 2 6800 ultra score in 3dmark05?

[Dynasty]

how much do 2 6800 ultra score in 3dmark05?

Well according to this screenie 9210 at stock.

[xenolith]

I want my DFI RD480. :worm:

[dippyskoodlez]

twin slave x800xl's..... wonder if a flash might be all it takes to go from slave to xfire too maybe?

2x slave you can use regs.... but for true xfire, you need a special connector on the card.

[cantankerous]

the ultra D has been around for a few months now, it's not like they just released it last week, then ATI came out with this....

Yea I suppose you're right however a 'few months' is still not that long. I waited a bit longer than others to get my Ultra-D due to all the problems and sudden deaths I was reading about it when it first came out. When I did get my first one it did infact die however the RMA replacement is working fine right now and has been for about 2 months or so.

[gundamit]

Hmmm ... a couple months to transistion my current rig to a dedicated water cooled gaming rig and prepare for this new mobo as a pure bencher? Doubtful. Is it possible DFI will pull yet another rabbit out of their hats on a completely new chipset. Seems like long odds. Hell I'm in for one because it give me an excuse to pick up a revision E cpu. :) I'm guessing the DFI/ATI mobo will end up as the gaming rig and my current mobo will be spending quality time with a new CPU while awaiting the arrival of the new Nvidia GPU late in the year.

[perkam]

k so we need two members who are gonna be going Crossfire, to perhaps visit each other or something of the sort, and try to run two slave cards with the crossfire setup. There have been rumours that two slave cards work together in crossfire, even if they have less performance, its still an intriguing prospect.

I sure am interested see that. Let "Operation 2Slave" Begin :p:

Perkam

[babyelf]

2 master card? hmmm

[afireinside]

AMR is to pricey for me :(

Board looks nice though.

[dippyskoodlez]

just what i thought....
SLI seems to be the winner...(when you look at single card scores and improvements etc...)

You're also comparing.... a mature SLI system, that isnt going to see any massive improvements, to a beta chipset, with alpha drivers too :rolleyes:

[vapb400]

k so we need two members who are gonna be going Crossfire, to perhaps visit each other or something of the sort, and try to run two slave cards with the crossfire setup. There have been rumours that two slave cards work together in crossfire, even if they have less performance, its still an intriguing prospect.

I sure am interested see that. Let "Operation 2Slave" Begin :p:

Perkam


CrossFire Confusion:
Don't be confused into thinking that ATI's "CrossFire" dual video card configuration can be achieved with two "slave" cards as some might have you think.

News Image News Image

DFI has been showing two slave cards running in a dual configuration at Computex as seen above, and they have in fact been showing 3DMark 2005 scores that increase by nearly 80% when they turn on "CrossFire" in the driver. Well to make a long story short, the two slave cards are sharing the workload and nearly doubling the 3D Mark2005 score, but you are only seeing every other frame supplied by one of the cards. So keep in mind that rendering double the frames is pretty "easy," but putting them back together again is not just going to happen by accident.

Anyway, chalk the confusion up to pre-release hardware and drivers. Kudos to DFI for finding something cool to share, but don't ever think you are going to reap the rewards of CrossFire rendering without a CrossFire hardware compositing engine to put all the frame or tiles back together again.

And just for the record, DOOM 3 showed absolutely no benefit from the configuration as you might guess.

From the HardOCP Homepage (http://hardocp.com)

[trans am]

will existing pci-e x800xt work? or just the x850?

[Badong]

will existing pci-e x800xt work? or just the x850?
It will..
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/ATI/crossfire/launch/crossfireprice.png

[R.Rabbit]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64271
looks like dfi nf4 ultra should be able to run crossfire! so you guys with your ultra's settle down and cross your fingers that everything goes ok, hell only working mobo i have at the moment is a kt333!!!!

[dippyskoodlez]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64271
looks like dfi nf4 ultra should be able to run crossfire! so you guys with your ultra's settle down and cross your fingers that everything goes ok, hell only working mobo i have at the moment is a kt333!!!!
OMG i hope they support x700pro's soo bad now :(

[R.Rabbit]

whats with there being no benefit from crossfore in Doom3??! i would figure it would give 80% better fps in most every game..
well the best part about this being a driver "sli" is that ati can constanly be tuning it for better performance, so i dont think it would be to improbably to see a 90% fps increase

[13oost]

whats with there being no benefit from crossfore in Doom3??! i would figure it would give 80% better fps in most every game..
well the best part about this being a driver "sli" is that ati can constanly be tuning it for better performance, so i dont think it would be to improbably to see a 90% fps increase

the limitation to 16x pci-e it splits the lanes going to both cards, so each card isnt running at 16x but 8x ;)

[STEvil]

whats that got to do with what he was asking 13oost?

Not sure which (p)review I was reading but there was definately a boost to Doom 3's scores in it. Maybe the one you're reading is incorrect or was done in a fashion that would limit SLI (by CPU power most likely, where FSAA shows "for free" etc).

[madgamer]

The thing about there being no gain in doom3 was where they were using 2 slave cards and only every other frame was being displayed. on 3dmark it didnt seem to care and gave huge numbers but I guess you need a master card to composite stuff back together for real gains in doom3.

[shuRe]

Believe me I know this feeling all too well. Getting a little discouraged with all this newer, better stuff coming out as soon as I buy other things. Getting to be a bit impossible to keep up with other monetary priorities in life. I'm far from rich. I guess I will just have to settle with my Ultra-D for a while longer and just upgrade to a SD or FX and R520 in the winter.

every week i think, "should i upgrade to 939", then i think, "well socket m2 is coming out next year so ill wait till then".

[Kunaak]

a year is like 10 years in overclockers years.

[R.Rabbit]

a year is like 10 years in overclockers years.
no joke, i've been with out a overclocking rig in like 7oc years

[lilneel12]

i like that fact that dfi has the cars spaced out a lot
and i can't wait for this to come out

[Craig]

Hmmmm.........with these wider spaced cards it should be easy to water cool them both.

Nice!

[mrbios]

sorry for the rather stupid question but when overclocking in SLI/crossfire do both cards have to be the same clocks or are they overclocked seperately? just thought id ask because i love my x850 lol

[R.Rabbit]

i read over at anand that the clocks are actually controlled by the master card, though they said it isn't required that they have the same clock, they're just controlled for smoothness, i bet a driver tweak will allow overclocking if the methods we have now dont work

[madgamer]

SLI is limited by the speed of the slower card, however, AFR seems to be different. As long as the cards have the same ammount of RAM and are of the same "class" they can be used together, so I guess the way it splits stuff up, it just gives more work to the faster/higher model number/more overclocked card.

[mrbios]

cheers guys, not looking forward to replacing my ultra-d though, i might have to keep it and frame it as my favorite board ever lol fingers crossed they clock seperately

although seeing as they'll both be waterchilled i suppose i shouldnt worry to much about if one clocks lower than the other, cant wait to get these chilled (hell im looking forward to sticking my single card under chilled water let alone two, i suppose id better buy myself a new soldering iron)

**Click here for chilly water goodness (http://www.extremeprometeia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2348&page=4&pp=10) ** i wants fattys babys tbh