A64 X2 4800+ @ 3 GHz & PCMark04: 8548

[Sampsa]

I just finished testing with Vapochill LS and Athlon 64 X2 4800+.

Since the A8N-SLI Deluxe with Dual Core support didn't have any options to raise the Vcore or change the multiplier, I had to run the tests with default voltage (1,49V measured from motherboard).

I was able to benchmark Spi1m @ 3006 MHz and PCMark04, Cinebench2003 and Spi8m @ 2950 MHz.

Results attached :toast:

[Kunaak]

How About Cinebench??

the PCmark score however looks great :)

[Sampsa]

How About Cinebench??

the PCmark score however looks great :)

33,7s

Board doesn't allow me to upload the screeshot (over 200kb)

ORB doesn't allow me to publish the PCMark04 score because of unknown CPU.

:slap:

[5-Clicks]

is 12 the default multi?

[Sampsa]

is 12 the default multi?

Yes

I'll be testing my Pentium EE 840 tomorrow with VapoChill LS. I'll let you know how it goes.

[shuRe]

6G combined :slobber:

[Flib]

great!
what about vmod the board with some smd-grabbers?

[bachus_anonym]

@Sampsa

As for the screenshot of Cinebench: Compress it or resize, or both.

Too bad that SuperPi is not multi-threaded :D DualCore would rock the Pi's world then :)

Nice PCMark04 score :thumbsup: Maybe this benchmark will now be showcased a bit more than it used to...

Don't you have any DFI NF4 laying around instead of A8N? For more volts? Newest NF4 Beta BIOS (510) adds support for X2.

[mesyn191]

Nice work man! You should try what bachus suggested though and use the NF4 DFI board, I'd bet you'd have better luck.

[iboomalot]

33,7s

Board doesn't allow me to upload the screeshot (over 200kb)

ORB doesn't allow me to publish the PCMark04 score because of unknown CPU.

:slap:


convert to a Jpeg for a smaller file or use photoshop and reduce its size when you save it.

[cupra]

that is very nice clocks Sampsa - and considerate that is with defult vcore.
well done, that is looks like a great cpu.

[halcyon]

Great overclock!

For screen shots:

Reduce colors to 8 (or even 7 bits), that's 256 or 128 colours respectively.

Do NOT dither when reducing color space (it'll kill the compression afterwards).

Save in PNG (or gif if PNG is not allowed). do NOT save in JPEG, it'll make mush out of all the text.

This way it's easy to make the images down to 20-60 kB.

The free IrfanView does all this pretty handily.

[Dagalidis]

Great OC my friend for a dual core CPU.... :slobber:

[majkel84]

:clap:
Just tell me- how is it possible?
There are very few who made 3G @ 1,5V on single core but dual core can do it at 1,4V :slobber:
something's wrong in here :confused:

[Kunaak]

use Infranview to resize or convert and edit the photo.
great program for simple picture editing.

http://downloads-zdnet.com.com/3000-2192-10021962.html

[Ashe]

:clap:
Just tell me- how is it possible?
There are very few who made 3G @ 1,5V on single core but dual core can do it at 1,4V :slobber:
something's wrong in here :confused:
Yea, I was wondering too, never even seen a single-core CPU benching at 1.42V before.
I trust your results but its almost too good to be true :banana:

awesome clocks :woot:

[gclg2000]

what temp were you holding it at under phase.

[Sampsa]

what temp were you holding it at under phase.

VapoChill LS LCD showed -51C when idle and dropped to -41C under load. Power consuption was 440W during PCMark04 :D

[Kunaak]

how do you know the power consumption?

[Sampsa]

@Sampsa
Don't you have any DFI NF4 laying around instead of A8N? For more volts? Newest NF4 Beta BIOS (510) adds support for X2.

Ok didn't know this and yes I have DFI nF4 SLI-DR laying around :)

I'll try it tomorrow.

[Sampsa]

how do you know the power consumption?

I have a meter which is plugged between the Antec 550W power supply and wall socket. I'll post a pic tomorrow.

[kryptobs2000]

damn, that is nice! FX-55 can barely get 3ghz with 1.4v lol. Imagine what these are capable of, and I wonder if ur chip is cherry picked or average :slobber:

4ghz benchable maybe, kinda doubt it, at least not now, but that would be sweet, hope these don't got the cold bug.

[saaya]

wow! nice oc! congrats :toast:

gonna post this on the front page right on top of the news :D

[cpulloverclock]

FX-57 or Athlon X2

that's the question

what? both? :D :p:

[Kunaak]

I have a meter which is plugged between the Antec 550W power supply and wall socket. I'll post a pic tomorrow.

that will be interesting to see.
I never heard of those.

but considering it's between the PSU and the wall socket, wouldn't it be measuring the entire PC's load, not the CPU specifically??

[urbanfox]

that will be interesting to see.
I never heard of those.

but considering it's between the PSU and the wall socket, wouldn't it be measuring the entire PC's load, not the CPU specifically??


Yep, so the readings wouldn't be able to pinpoint just the CPU, and that's way too high for an AMD DC anyway.

[bachus_anonym]

that will be interesting to see.
I never heard of those.

but considering it's between the PSU and the wall socket, wouldn't it be measuring the entire PC's load, not the CPU specifically??
You can get those in US also (it's called Kill-A-Watt Meter). I have one of those hooked up, too.
I kind of thought that Sampsa measured CPU's power consumption (400W is way too high). This can be measured. I think folks @ LostCircuits explained it in their article about Venice. They took current measurements from 4-pin 12v connector.

[jjcom]

Congrats, nice seeing how high these things are clocking on low voltages :)

jjcom

[AcEmAsTr]

i was expecting slightly faster than 28seconds at 3ghz from these cpu's

[Kunaak]

thats a cool gadget.

I found it here on google.

http://www.ccrane.com/kill-a-watt-accessory.aspx

[[XC] moddolicous]

wow, nice results. Download Rodzilla's D2OL personnel 2x installer, and crucnh with it. We need more volts!

[M.Beier]

Hmm, how the heck did you get that CPU ? :( - And the 840 as well... ??

- They sure aint forsale in scandinavia :\

-12k

[vapb400]

i was expecting slightly faster than 28seconds at 3ghz from these cpu's
superpi isn't multithreaded, so there wouldnt be much gain over a a64@3ghz

[Kunaak]

if you want a Multi Threaded PI program download Systool.
then check the box that says "run 2 instances" or something like that.

works great if you wanna test hyperthreading, or dual cores, or dual CPU's.

systool can be found in this thread.
one of the best programs I seen for awhile.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61549

[Bennah]

That little simple gadget is good, measuring watts. I suppose sampsa would be a custom job though. The fins are good at the power side of the pc's etc, take the custom 13**w psu they have :D

btw nice background Kunaak ;)

[STEvil]

You can get those in US also (it's called Kill-A-Watt Meter). I have one of those hooked up, too.
I kind of thought that Sampsa measured CPU's power consumption (400W is way too high). This can be measured. I think folks @ LostCircuits explained it in their article about Venice. They took current measurements from 4-pin 12v connector.

that leaves out the +12v supply on the ATX/BTX header.

[bachus_anonym]

that leaves out the +12v supply on the ATX/BTX header.
good read... Lost circuits reviewing 4800+, including power consumption (http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_x2/)

[Kanavit]

why doesn't 28secs sound that good to me, in 1mb super pi for the A64 4800+ X2??

plus Fugger still holds PCmark recored with his Intel system i believe. You know what the A64 FX-55 still beats out the A64 X2 dual core in some games if my memory serves. I am very hesitant to jump on this dual core bandwagon yet. Let us see some 3dmark03, and '05 scores for more convincing.

[jjcom]

Those programs are single threaded so it will preform like a 3ghz A64. It will only show it's strength with multi-threaded apps

jjcom

[Kunaak]

why doesn't 28secs sound that good to me, in 1mb super pi for the A64 4800+ X2??

plus Fugger still holds PCmark recored with his Intel system i believe.

1. Super Pi isn't Multithreaded.
few things are...

Ceinebench, Sisoftsandra and Systool CPU Bench are the only benchmarks I can think of thats multithreaded.
single threaded things should show little improvement, and will produce results similar to a single core CPU clocked at the same speed.

2. theres a hell of a difference between a ully functional overclocking board, and a cascade that does -120C, and a board that can't adjust it's Vcore, and a plain old prometeia.

for being single compressor cooling, and stock Vcore, it looks like this thing can easily take the PCM04 record with a cascade or LN2 ;)

[bachus_anonym]

As for more multi-threaded benchmarks...

PCMark04 runs 3 sets of 2 tests, one thread for each:

File Compression & File Encrypting
File Decompression & Image Processing
Virus Checking & Grammar Check

So, this benchmark also shows pretty big gain on systems with HyperThreading, Dual CPU or DualCore. In case of A64 DualCore, it's about 30% better score compared to single CPU @ same clocks.

Sampsa showed that to us as well as many reviewers.

That's why P4 HT setups kill A64 in PCMark04.

[Kanavit]

thx Kunaak, here is a better representation how much faster the A64 X2 is in PCmark04. it's true that the X2 will only be faster in applications that support mult-threading environment. looks like i'm still going FX-55 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2_10.html) atm.

wow
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-x2/pcm04-1.png
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-x2/3dm01.png

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2_9.html

[Kunaak]

your comparing a 2.4 ghz CPU, against a 2.6 ghz CPU on a single threaded benchmark.
of course the FX55 is gonna be faster at it, its clocked higher on a single threaded benchmark.

[JohnyKnoxville]

I cant wait!

[(sin)morpheus]

Wow, very nice results. Now you've got me considering a dual core, curses. :slapass:

[Sampsa]

that will be interesting to see.
I never heard of those.

but considering it's between the PSU and the wall socket, wouldn't it be measuring the entire PC's load, not the CPU specifically??

Yes since it's between the wall socket and power supply, it's measuring the entire PC. But since the setup is same.. I can compare how much more A64 X2 4800+ takes power than FX-55 and if using just single core compared to two cores.



i was expecting slightly faster than 28seconds at 3ghz from these cpu's


Spi doesn't support HT/DC and I was using crappy memory settings because of A8N-SLI DLX only allows 3V to memory (CAS 2.5-3-3-8).



- They sure aint forsale in scandinavia :\


That's true :cool:

[Walrusbonzo]

Yes since it's between the wall socket and power supply, it's measuring the entire PC. But since the setup is same..

Remember PSUs aren't 100% efficient. I'd imagine a 550w Antec is about 75%, so although it was drawing 440w, the actual PC components are probably only drawing about 330w. The other 110w is the heat given off by the PSU.

Damn fine results with the CPU though :)

[Sampsa]

Remember PSUs aren't 100% efficient. I'd imagine a 550w Antec is about 75%, so although it was drawing 440w, the actual PC components are probably only drawing about 330w. The other 110w is the heat given off by the PSU.

Damn fine results with the CPU though :)

Yes but I should still be able to compare power consumption between A64 X2 4800+ and FX-55 if I only change the CPU in the system, right? :)

[ettis]

Good to have an AMD46 X2 4800+ @ FX57. That's TWO FX57 in one computer!!!! :D

[Sampsa]

Switched to DFI LP nF4 SLI-DR and just ran spi1m @ 3,1 GHz (27,5 sec) and PCMark04 @ 3040 MHz score is 8987

Looks like I need better cooling than Vapochill LS and better PSU than Antec 550W if I want to go higher.

[Sampsa]

PCMark04: 9017

God damnit! 3 points from FUGGER's Intel WR :D

[over@locker886]

What clock?

[GoThr3k]

PCMark04: 9017

God damnit! 3 points from FUGGER's Intel WR :D
some ln2 might do the trick :woot:

[lv_88]

looks great! impressive :D

[Hombre]

Very nice results indeed. Dual core looks awesome.

[REDKEN]

What vcore are you giving it now?

[kryptobs2000]

Yes but I should still be able to compare power consumption between A64 X2 4800+ and FX-55 if I only change the CPU in the system, right? :)

makes sense to me.

[FUGGER]

Nice!

My 2K4 was also done at a little over 200FSB as I was testing to get past 5Ghz. Dont forget my mobo was very limitd limited and I should have been well over 5Ghz.

Pi's are close and I am sure I can do much better.

[mesyn191]

Sampsa needs to send FUGGER his CPU and mobo so FUGGER can put it on his triple cascade and get that X2 up to 4GHz!!

[Sampsa]

Sampsa needs to send FUGGER his CPU and mobo so FUGGER can put it on his triple cascade and get that X2 up to 4GHz!!

Naah, I'll be giving it some LN2 treatment in few days.

[Sampsa]

Nice!

My 2K4 was also done at a little over 200FSB as I was testing to get past 5Ghz. Dont forget my mobo was very limitd limited and I should have been well over 5Ghz.

Pi's are close and I am sure I can do much better.

I have to say that I can do much better also :)

I tried Pentium EE 840 today with Vapochill LS. I have to say that the experiment was HORRIBLE. I was able to run spi1m @ 4,5 GHz but not PCMark04 even at 4 GHz. Asus Probe showed CPU temp 33C under load and Vapo's LCD showed -32C for evap :D

Components next to Socket 775 were EXTREMELY hot.

[Sampsa]

Here are my results with Vapochill LS:

http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/a64_x2_4800/spi1m_3097.gif


http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/a64_x2_4800/pcmark_9017.gif

http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/a64_x2_4800/cbench2003_3060.gif

[Sampsa]

Power consumption was 440W during PCMark04 :D

My mistake, this is not correct because there was also Vapochill LS between the Antec 550W and wall socket :slapass:

[Sampsa]

http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/a64_x2_4800/4800_11.jpg

http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/a64_x2_4800/840_08.jpg

[macci]

Nice show there Sampsa.


Sampsa needs to send FUGGER his CPU and mobo so FUGGER can put it on his triple cascade and get that X2 up to 4GHz!!
I have a feeling that it will be in better hands here in Finland ;)
Also it's quite obvious that this chip ain't going to see anywhere near 4GHz - no matter what cooling.

[REDKEN]

Thanks for sharing all this info with us Sampsa.:beer:
So, you got to 3.0 @ 1.4v and 3.1 @ 1.55v would it be fair to say that it would scale higher with more vcore? Maybe 3.3-3.4 could be reached with pase.

[zakelwe]

3.1GHz with a Vapo LS is pretty good going actually considering it is 2 cores. FX-55 on single stage phase was at max getting 3.3GHz.

Of course this is one chip so it might be bad or might be good. However AMD bringing out a duel core at only 200Mhz less than FX-55 seems to be replicated with the overclock ( 200Mhz drop ).

Asuming Sampsa's chip is average ( a big IF ) then this is not bad at all and bodes well for the future. I'm actually quite surprised to be honest, I thought x2 would be dire !

I'm still more interested in Dothan and Fx-57 though at present, but I am really looking forward to what Sampsa can do with very few kelvin. You have to think two cores will like few kelvin an awful lot. More so than voltage of course.

Regards

Andy

[Sampsa]

Also it's quite obvious that this chip ain't going to see anywhere near 4GHz - no matter what cooling.

Yes, it would be a miracle to hit 4 GHz with this chip :D

Anyway, I'll try to hunt 10k in PCMark04. I'll also try to find out if this CPU can go higher for 3DMark05 than my FX-55 (3474 MHz),

[mike]

Awesome score! Good luck on your quest to 10k!

[Kunaak]

jesus man, 9 K on PCM'04 and not even 3.1 ghz. thats just crazy...
I can't wait to see what this does under cascades and LN2.

[FUGGER]

I had another 2K4 submitted and not published.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm04=2948934

200FSB on the link above.

[macci]

your score went up by 44MArks (9003 => 9047) when you overclocked from 4351MHz to 4817MHz??
Is this the new dual-core scaling or what?? :D

[FUGGER]

no from 4.669Ghz to 4.8Ghz about 140Mhz gain in speed. The 4.66 was at 333FSB 1:1 3-2-2

[mesyn191]

Man you guys are lucky, I've only ever gotten a good OC once waay back with a Palimino 1700+ @ 2Ghz stable on water.

Even with my VapoLS I can't break 2.8Ghz stable with my A64 3500+ and you guys got the friggin' 3Ghz dual core A64 and 3.45Ghz FX55!?!

\must be cuz of the cold weather in Finland...

[macci]

Fugger, what do you mean 'no'?
you've got a score of 9003 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm04=2948831) at 4351MHz and 9047 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm04=2948934) at 4817MHz. Obviously also 9020 at 4668MHz.
So looks like upping the CPU spee doesn't help much there.

[dippyskoodlez]

Fugger, what do you mean 'no'?
you've got a score of 9003 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm04=2948831) at 4351MHz and 9047 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm04=2948934) at 4817MHz. Obviously also 9020 at 4668MHz.
So looks like upping the CPU spee doesn't help much there.

Perhaps theres a bottleneck elsewhere?

[perkam]

Perhaps theres a bottleneck elsewhere?

So the hunt is on then for another 10k ;) :D

Perkam

[FUGGER]

Macci, that was after using the aibooster. Notice I started at 200FSB, what would my multiple have to be for 4.35Ghz? It does not work as intended, the stilt posted setFSB for P5WD2 and I plan to use that next time.

[TMM]

Power consuption was 440W during PCMark04 :D

:eek2: Insane for generally just a CPU load! :toast:

[halcyon]

Man you guys are lucky, I've only ever gotten a good OC once waay back with a Palimino 1700+ @ 2Ghz stable on water.

Even with my VapoLS I can't break 2.8Ghz stable with my A64 3500+ and you guys got the friggin' 3Ghz dual core A64 and 3.45Ghz FX55!?!

\must be cuz of the cold weather in Finland...

Not lucky, but hard working and connected.

These guys get hand picked CPUs straight from the manufacturer a lot of the times.

Saves A LOT of work.

Not trying to take anything away from their achievements, but just a reminder to the rest of us ordinary folks here: you will more than likely never achieve anything like the above, if you just go out and buy the gear yourself. Hand picked components really do help.

Or if you do, you are not only very skilled, but also lucky as hell :)

[Sampsa]

For Athlon 64 X2 4800+:

2,4 GHz: 7231 (CAS 2-5-2-2)
2,95 GHz: 8548 (CAS 2.5-3-3-8)
3,04 GHz: 9017 (CAS 2-5-2-2)

3,3 GHz should be enough for 10 000 or make it 3,4 GHz to be sure.

Are there any tweaks for PCMark04?? I don't know any :D

I just e-mailed to Futuremark if they could work with A64 X2 support since I can't publish my score :(

[LorD_Kvadd]

:eek2: Insane for generally just a CPU load! :toast:

I was under the impression that it was his whole computer + the vapochill ?

[Sampsa]

I was under the impression that it was his whole computer + the vapochill ?

Yes that's correct.

[STEvil]

bet you could pull it off at 3.2G

[Pjotr]

VapoChill LS LCD showed -51C when idle and dropped to -41C under load. Power consuption was 440W during PCMark04 :D

That's "raised", not dropped. :toast:

[Kunaak]

PCmark2004 Tweaks...

use fastest hard drives you can, in raid zero, since HD is part of the benchmark.
use the fastest videocard you can, and overclock it. it's not huge in this benchmark, but videocards to help.
SP2 always gets me better scores, but I am on intel stuff at the moment... may not be the same for AMD.

set your start up mode as diagnostic, so it disables everything.
not too much to tweak as far as I can tell.

[Zebo]

Wow!! These processors are so ridiculously powerful..... No bench is safe from X2 powar:D

[[XC] leviathan18]

sampsa one common cuestion how do you fell the cpu in multi tasking everyday use games and overall any faster???? any perfomance gain????

i think is nice that you can bench for us and you are very lucky to have a cpu like that but i want to know just overall use just tell me how do you feel it?

thanks and have fun with that cpu

[Sampsa]

Well, my opinion is that if you haven't needed SMP system before, you won't need it because AMD/Intel launched 2 CPUs in one core. BUT if you use programs which needs a lot calculating power and has a support for SMP, you can pretty easily build a workstation system with 2 CPUs. Before you had to have some special server motherboard etc, now you can just plug your dual core CPU to normal s939 motherboard and use your old memory, graphics card etc.

[TMM]

I was under the impression that it was his whole computer + the vapochill ?
:slash: oops. Got a bit carried away and skipped page 3 :slapass:

[kryptobs2000]

You made the inquirer

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23410

Apparently we are now xtreme resources and ur voltage is 1.55v? havn't read through this thread in a week at least, but as I remember you couldn't change it past 1.4v and I don't remember any mods being done.

edit: and I noticed this lol


I wonder what would happen if Sapphire's liquid metal technology was used in place.

Well I think maybe the oc wouldn't be as high or anywhere below ambient temps :stick:

No offense to the inquirer in any of this, great news site, they just need to pay more attention when writing their articles sometimes.

[tombman]

sampsa

1.) which bios did you use for the dfi sli-dr mobo?
2.) where did you buy the 4800+ ? :D
3.) PLEASE try 1.6 or 1.65 vcore -> i bet you can reach 3.2ghz STABLE :)

[Pinnacle]

Awsome stuff!!

[Sampsa]

New thread with better PCMark04 result can be found here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62966

[Sampsa]

sampsa

1.) which bios did you use for the dfi sli-dr mobo?
2.) where did you buy the 4800+ ? :D
3.) PLEASE try 1.6 or 1.65 vcore -> i bet you can reach 3.2ghz STABLE :)

1) 5/10-2
2) It's review sample from AMD
3) I'll and lots of another things when I get back from Computex 2005

[mr_knowitall15]

\must be cuz of the cold weather in Finland...
but fuggers in vegas...according to my cousin it damn near hit 110 degrees F the other day :eek:

[dippyskoodlez]

but fuggers in vegas...according to my cousin it damn near hit 110 degrees F the other day :eek:

and -110 in his computer :D

[charlie]

hmmmm.....

[Katanaman]

Nice overclock Sampsa.
I hope to pick up my A64 X2 4800+ CPU tommorrow.
My other components I will be using are..
Motherboard: DFI LanParty nF4 SLI-DR. (Will see how it compares with your Asus board).
Memory: OCZ, 2 x 512Mb, PC-4400 (DDR550) dual channel kit.
PSU: PC Power & Cooling 510 SLI.
Case: Lian Li PC7-Plus modified with front and rear 120mm fans & bay cooler.
Cooling: Vapochill LS for CPU cooling like yourself.
Graphics: 2 x Chaintech Nvidia 6800 Ultra's.
HDD's: 1 x SATA WD 74Gb Raptor or 1 x SCSI IBM 15K 36Gb (boot drive) have not decided yet, 4 x SATA WD 74Gb Raptors in one RAID 0 array (main storage).
DVD Writer: LG 16x dual layer.
Floppy drive: 1.44 Mb.
Will post results when system is completed and overclocked soon.
:toast: