Groundbreaking News : Free-DC Surrender!!

[Gorgeous]

Free - DC surrender (http://free-dc.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=84100#post84100) 4th spot before we even make 5th.
:banana: :toast: :woot: :toast: :banana:

[chunkylover77]

Well they bring up some interesting points. I didn't know that D2OL is possibly not a worthwhile project. Anyone have any info on the concerns voiced over at Free-DC? I thought I was doing something that will benefit mankind.

[Magnj]

yea, I thought this was actualy usefull. I mean its fun for the stats but... Is our working going un useD?

[v4p0r]

Makes me wonder whether it is better to give up or get beaten.

[NoX]

I have the same doubts. :confused: How come the D2OL research team hasn't published an update on the project status since 2003/2004. What's going on? :stick:

[em99010pepe]

I knew already that D2OL was a "dead" project.

Carlos

[Bok]

Hey Guys,

we certainly don't want to be seen to be trying to disillusion anyone. What you guys have produced is simply amazing and most of us are looking forward to seeing you roadkill TA :p: Ronbo's achievements are similarly amazing.

The concerns we've raised have been there for some time, it's the reason why a number of people tailed off when we were going well. We just couldn't get any answers from the guys running the project. I did manage to get an email from Wolfgang and he promised answers, unfortunately when they came they were nothing really new and any promises made were not kept.

So we mostly ducked out. Though as with everything at Free-DC, people are always free to crunch whatever they wish :)

Bok

[shmaa]

Hey Guys,

we certainly don't want to be seen to be trying to disillusion anyone. What you guys have produced is simply amazing and most of us are looking forward to seeing you roadkill TA :p: Ronbo's achievements are similarly amazing.

The concerns we've raised have been there for some time, it's the reason why a number of people tailed off when we were going well. We just couldn't get any answers from the guys running the project. I did manage to get an email from Wolfgang and he promised answers, unfortunately when they came they were nothing really new and any promises made were not kept.

So we mostly ducked out. Though as with everything at Free-DC, people are always free to crunch whatever they wish :)

Bok

Awsome words Bok! Thanks for sticking up for us. :toast:

I've often wondered whether all this work and CPU power is actually doing any good either... but since XS only seems to back 1 DC project at a time, D2OL is it. Besides, we have a point to prove with DPC. :fact:

[PS2pcGAMER]

Congrats to you guys at XS for dominating D2OL by so much the past 6 or 8 months or so. Truly a job well done. :toast:

If anyone is wants to read a thread about some thoughts about D2OL over at Free-DC, here (http://www.free-dc.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8017) it is. I think it was posted at XS before, but just in case anyone missed it. I truly wish the admins of D2OL would be more available, it would help this project considerably in getting more teams to run it again.

[trakslacker]

man I don't wanna be a downer, but crunching D2OL really loses its appeal for me if the results do nothing. Yeah the competition is awesomely fun and we are on a rampage up the stats here, but the real benefit for me is helping to create cures and solutions to the diseases that plague our world. If thats not happening AT ALL, then I see no point in running. I dont know if this idea that to D2Ol admins are doing squat with our work is true, but if it is, I'd rather run something like FaD that does provide concrete evidence of progress.

I'm not saying XS needs to switch to FaD or anything, but its usefulness is something to ponder.

Thoughts?

[shmaa]

man I don't wanna be a downer, but crunching D2OL really loses its appeal for me if the results do nothing. Yeah the competition is awesomely fun and we are on a rampage up the stats here, but the real benefit for me is helping to create cures and solutions to the diseases that plague our world. If thats not happening AT ALL, then I see no point in running. I dont know if this idea that to D2Ol admins are doing squat with our work is true, but if it is, I'd rather run something like FaD that does provide concrete evidence of progress.

I'm not saying XS needs to switch to FaD or anything, but its usefulness is something to ponder.


Thoughts?

I just wish the folks at D2OL would give us some clear insite... if they aren't doing anything with the results, then why not just end the project? Why waste money to keep the stats servers running?.. etc. :(

EDIT:

Has anyone read this? Doesn't really explain too much... and I'm still not 100% convinced our work is actually being put to use... but at least they realize the D2OL community is getting frustrated with the lack of answers.

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000021;p=1#0000 00

[NapalmV5]

If we're not gonna see any improvements from the D2OL peeps.....

let's unite and go for #1 in F@H which Hardocp holds now.

Free-DC @ 48 + XS dedicated crunching = :explode2:

How about it guys?

Just a thought...

[NapalmV5]

Maybe 'all' the teams should stop crunching till we get 'facts'?

[RocKer]

Yiiii thats a bummer,all that work can't be for nothing is it guy's.

And yes shmaa i read it and there is one little quote that i did'nt like very much,namely this oneSince this is a military run facility, I guess they are not to open about the information they do give out. ,what do you think about this guy's.

[NapalmV5]

Just read that and went :confused:

[NoX]

:shakes:

[scrible88]

:( So should everyone switch over to the XS F@H team? If this is truly a "dead" project and they are not using the information we crunch, what's the point?

All these machines we have crunching is worthless if the data is not being used!

[conrad.maranan]

I'll be frank by stating that I was looking into this issue earlier last week. I was beginning to develop doubts regarding Sengent's D2OL project due to the lack of information to be found regarding their research and drug development. I will continue to move forward with my crunching (for now) while I look into more worthwhile projects. Find-a-Drug looks to be a very promising project.

DDTUNG and Rodzilla: I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding this matter.

[NapalmV5]

Which is better ? F@H / Find-a-drug

I'm not gonna stop D2OL till it is decided...

XS FaD or XS F@H, i'll go with either.

[Disposibleteen]

I also am beginning to doubt this project, im thinking about moving all of my work back over to SETI@home, i have faith in that project.

[PS2pcGAMER]

I'd just like to point out that they still might be taking advantage of all of the hardwork that you guys are doing, they just might be very unresponsive. So don't jump ship yet.

[conrad.maranan]

Has anyone read this? Doesn't really explain too much... and I'm still not 100% convinced our work is actually being put to use... but at least they realize the D2OL community is getting frustrated with the lack of answers.

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000021;p=1#0000 00
The closing post at the very bottom is very disturbing to me. It reads as follows:
I hope I have convinced everybody of the existence of our collaborator at NCI-Frederick. Since this is a military run facility, I guess they are not to open about the information they do give out. Dr. Panchal will be a co-author on the peer-reviewed publication.
I don't know about you guys, but having my results submitted to some military facility that I know nothing of doesn't sound very good to me. How do I know my results aren't being used to design new forms and variations of bio-chemical weapons? I want to know for a fact that my distributed computing efforts are going straight into the labs of well-known research institutes.

[scrible88]

The closing post at the very bottom is very disturbing to me. It reads as follows:

I don't know about you guys, but having my results submitted to some military facility that I know nothing of doesn't sound very good to me. How do I know my results aren't being used to design new forms and variations of bio-chemical weapons? I want to know for a fact that my distributed computing efforts are going straight into the labs of well-known research institutes.

Seconded. :(

[NapalmV5]

I also am beginning to doubt this project, im thinking about moving all of my work back over to SETI@home, i have faith in that project.

Disposibleteen, don't get me wrong... gave SETI@home a try many years ago and i think it is the most pointless project out there, dunno what it has to offer humanity... just my opinion.

[chunkylover77]

Military facilities are some of the best in terms of research into deadly diseases. A simple google search shows this.
http://web.ncifcrf.gov/
I'm not worried about the military using the research I am just worried that noone is using it.

[NapalmV5]

The closing post at the very bottom is very disturbing to me. It reads as follows:

I don't know about you guys, but having my results submitted to some military facility that I know nothing of doesn't sound very good to me. How do I know my results aren't being used to design new forms and variations of bio-chemical weapons? I want to know for a fact that my distributed computing efforts are going straight into the labs of well-known research institutes.

Who wants to do a poll ?

D2OL - Stay the course, hope one day the peeps @ D2OL will give us facts...

Go with XS FaD or XS F@H

[conrad.maranan]

I think everyone should do their fair share of research prior to us doing anything drastic. From there, we can start up a good dialogue with one another on how we would like to go about this matter.

With F@H, we knew our work was being submitted to Stanford University. With D2OL, we know our work is going to some top-secret military joint. At this point, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading up on FaD since Wednesday, and that looks very promising as well.

If we later on decide to go back to F@H, I'd much rather we start fresh with a new team number. If we decide on some other DC project other than F@H, I'm with the team 100%. As I mentioned earlier, let's just please do our fair share of research first. This way, we move forward without doubt or regret. We need to stick to the best project and ride it out until XtremeSystems wins a Nobel Peace Prize.
:up:

[NapalmV5]

"Xtreme Stanford Folding Team"

Why was it abdoned ?

[NoX]

Well said Conrad.

[conrad.maranan]

"Xtreme Stanford Folding Team"

Why was it abdoned ?
I don't know. But I was folding well into late-March (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57033). And I was on my own team. I knew it was a good project and so I kept at it by myself.

I jumped on the D2OL bandwagon a little bit after I was appointed as a moderator. I felt it would be good for me to lead by example and support our DC team. I went gung-ho into the D2OL project without really looking into it. Notice how I moved from the bottom to where I'm at in only a month's time? Whatever we decide on, I'm going all out. I just want to be reassured that we're doing something for the good and well-being of mankind.

EDIT: Go to www.d2ol.com. Scroll down to the very bottom and notice the following: this page last reviewed October 1, 2004. Also take note that there have been no updates to that site in quite some time. Even the "What's New:" section at the top hasn't had a new entry since 03/10/04. There hasn't been a Press Release since 11/13/03.
:confused:

[NapalmV5]

I don't know. But I was folding well into late-March (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57033). And I was on my own team. I knew it was a good project and so I kept at it by myself.

I jumped on the D2OL bandwagon a little bit after I was appointed as a moderator. I felt it would be good for me to lead by example and support our DC team. I went gung-ho into the D2OL project without really looking into it. Notice how I moved from the bottom to where I'm at in only a month's time? Whatever we decide on, I'm going all out. I just want to be reassured that we're doing something for the good and well-being of mankind.

Same here, whatever it is decided on, 100%.

Should we bug the peeps at D2OL anymore ?

Would they like the #1 daily producing team to go all out on them ?

[conrad.maranan]

Check out my edit just above your post, NapalmV5. I am so not liking this right now. :mad:

[STEvil]

been wondering on this a couple months myself, actually...

[NapalmV5]

Check out my edit just above your post, NapalmV5. I am so not liking this right now. :mad:

Wow, so this "Malaria Target Press Release 11/13/03" was the last real update, nothing since then.

[PS2pcGAMER]

"Xtreme Stanford Folding Team"

Why was it abdoned ?

That is a really long story. I'll post my recollection. IIRC, there are only a few active FAH members from the original team that are still active here...

FAH was going great. The captain was JBELL and XS was flying high. XS made it to #12 or so and was one of the highest producing teams per member (maybe the highest) and we had quite a few teams on our radar. Then around October 2003 someone leaked a technique that a few XS members were using. Basically some of us pointed the Assignment Server (AS) to a specific server in our hosts file. This gave us gromacs which took advantage of SSE which gave everyone a boost in points because of how the client was benchmarked. All of the data that we submitted to stanford was correct and not modified in anyway. A few other members on other teams questioned our integrity and the Stanford Administration never said we were doing anything wrong but they didn't say what we were doing was ok.

So a number of members were upset and decided to try another project - Distributed Folding. XS was running both FAH and DF. From Octoberish to March we were flying high in DF and then the change or whatever you want to call it took place here. So many of the founding members of XS and the FAH team went to another site. I hate to bring up bad memories, but this will come full circle eventually. Anyway, the DF team split up into 3 different teams, XS, XF, and XR. XF was a team and forum which Jeff created for people who didn't want to side with either XS or XR. XS also started a small FAH team of their own. In August, most of the XF members decided to join XS for DF with the intention of getting this team really going (it seems to have worked well).

Anyway, last Septemberish it was announced that DF would be coming to an end. In good faith, everyone joined a team called "Too Xtreme" and we were one again so to speak and finished #5 IIRC. Because DF was coming to an end there was an open poll of which project to start next. Overwhelming the answer was FAH, but a number of XR team members (who were all moving to FAH themselves) voted for FAH here at XS. Fugger decided their votes would became null and D2OL was declared the winner for the next project for XS. See, during the voting process there was a great debate to as if XS members would for fold for XR's team (which had since been renamed to XTREME) or fold for a team under the XS name.

Everyone follow that?

[NapalmV5]

Wow, quite an interesting history...

[cjc_75]

I was just getting my computers fired up again after swapping cases and parts etc the last few nights when I came across this thread.

I'm all for some competition and so on, but I really do like seeing my work go somewhere productive. If something is being crunched, why not make it useful for someone?

The fact that this is going to the "super secret club" at a military installation really does'nt bother me (too much). I guess they need some information like everyone else. If it might make us safe from people like Binny, I'm all for it. I guess the problem that arises is.....we won't likely ever know.

I'm pulling the plug on my D20L until something is decided. If it be another project, count me in. I will say it's my fault for not reading more into this when I first got crunching on this, I just wish I noticed sooner :(

[NapalmV5]

When did ver. 2.0 come out ?

"this page last updated August 13, 2004" ?

http://www.d2ol.com/dOL/download_instructions.html

[STEvil]

would be neat if we could get all of XS, XR, and [H] (dont kill me! lol) to fold/whatever all on one team just to put the run on the cows ;)

[conrad.maranan]

I sent a PM to DDTUNG and RZ. I'd still like to hear from them. If Jeff is lurking around, I'd like to hear his opinions as well.

I've got a few hours to decide whether I will leave all 70 systems at work running over the weekend. As much as I enjoy watching my stats climb, I'd much rather enjoy knowing that I'm doing something worthwhile for humanity.

[conrad.maranan]

would be neat if we could get all of XS, XR, and [H] (dont kill me! lol) to fold/whatever all on one team just to put the run on the cows ;)
I think we can tip the cows without those other guys. ;)

[STEvil]

of course, but all three banded together (and more?) would raise some eyebrowse :D


i'll keep going until this is all sorted, I cant harbour the thought of how many kittens might be harmed if I stop ;)

[NapalmV5]

conrad.maranan, did you see this ?

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=3


I think everyone should go and bug'em one last time.

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

[conrad.maranan]

conrad.maranan, did you see this ?

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=3
OMG. I'm famous (http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000833)! :D :cool: :eek: :banana: :woot:

[Disposibleteen]

jeez conrad, only in this thing a few weeks and already stirring a nice buz, i can see why!!

[saaya]

I also am beginning to doubt this project, im thinking about moving all of my work back over to SETI@home, i have faith in that project.

your switiching from d2ol because it might be wasted crunching power to seti?
i find it amusing because imo seti is def wasted crunching power :lol: :P

ive said it before, lets fix our own world before we even think about other worlds ;)

can somebody resume what exactly all this is about? i dont have time to read all the threads about it, conrad? anybody else who read all the threads?
is it a rumor? based on what? or is it a fact? :confused:

[conrad.maranan]

It shouldn't take you more than 10 minutes to read, saaya. But in a nuttshell, there are a number of us who have doubts regarding the whole D2OL project. Prior to this thread even being established, I was already starting to formulate a series of questions within me that I have yet to find answers to. As of this writing, D2OL is a very big question mark hovering over my head. Unless someone can clear this up for me, let it be known that I made my last dump 15 minutes ago.

I'm 100% for team work. I'm just not 100% certain what my contribution is going towards. :confused:

[Disposibleteen]

thats a shame conrad, this is your last dump for the team ever? I just wish they would give us an update or 2 about what our work is giong to...

[conrad.maranan]

My last dump as far as giving it my all to make sure I have the #2 spot for the day: YES. The systems at work still have D2OL installed and will be running the service at some point during the day. However, I won't be going out of my way to make sure that every node is up and running.

If someone can convince me otherwise and link me to documentation that D2OL is a project that has significant value, I'll push forward with you all. And when I say significant value, I mean something useful that is going towards some sort of recent study.

[scrible88]

I think F@H seems to be a much more reliable project then this one. I know where the information is going and that it'll most likely be put to good use. I really think we should band together to re-create the XS Stanford F@H team. This D2OL seems really shady now that I start reading into it.

[SDX]

Hmm, this is very interesting. I would definitely support moving to F@H or something else if we decide to.

I too, like conrad, won't be going out of my way to keep machines running.

[scrible88]

I've stopped my D2OL machines and am moving over to F@H. What's our F@H team #? Should we create a new team? How do we go about doing that? See my thread in the XS Stanford F@H forum.

[vapb400]

I 100% support switching to F@H or find-a-drug.

Glad I saw this thread before I plunked down the cash for 3 sempron rigs.

[conrad.maranan]

Okay, everyone. Don't jump ship just yet unless you were already planning to. I'm not 100% off the boat yet until I finish researching this matter.

As far as F@H is concerned, the old team number is dead. As far as any DC project is concerned, we usually like to vote on it prior to making a decision.

Just chill out for a while and keep researching. :cool:

[trakslacker]

scrible, hold off on picking up a new DC proggie until we figure out what the team needs to do. The information(or lack thereof) is easily available. I think we as a team should be able to come to a consensus on this sometime over the weekend.

As conrad said earlier, I see absolutely no reason to expend my computing power(small as it may be) to a project that pointless. I will keep my rigs crunching for now, but we need to come to a decision.

As far as new projects go, I would be 100% behind either F@H or FaD, but we need to pick one of these and run it as a TEAM. We need input from Rod, DDTung as well as others, and then maybe throw up a poll for a new project IF we decide as a group that D2OL is no longer worth running. (which its looking that way)

[scrible88]

I understand completely. I see that the old team # is dead. I've always supported F@H in the past so rather than stopping crunching temporarily, I've temporarily switched over to F@H until we decide something as a team.

[trakslacker]

I understand completely. I see that the old team # is dead. I've always supported F@H in the past so rather than stopping crunching temporarily, I've temporarily switched over to F@H until we decide something as a team.

ok, thats a fine way to go about it. :thumbsup: Just so long as you are with the team when we get going on whatever it is we are gonna do, cuz we need your Ghz! :)

[StandrdDev]

Before I joined the team, I was trying to do a little homework on the project and I was formulating a list of questions to ask the members here, but it looks like many have the same questions and the answers are hard to come by.

Speaking from my experiences, if you would like to do a biomedical project that offers much more (though not perfect) communication about what they do, their collaborators and methodology of research, with a very broad spectrum of targets, I would highly suggest you look into Find-a-Drug. The project creator, Keith (THINK), is almost always around, and is a regular poster in the forums and is available for correspondence via email and PM as well. I've crunched many different projects, including DF, F@H, UD, SETI and the like, but I've yet to see this anything near this same level of communication from any of them - perhaps because it is much smaller.

The client is not perfect (tho it works good enough for me), but it is very easy on the resources (15k for me right now) and is very efficient in what it does - far more so than any other biomed client AFAIK. It isnt as pretty a package as some, but I dont need it to be if it does what its supposed to. Its also been pretty thoroughly tested (first in UD) and has undergone numerous revisions and upgrades to increase speed, reduce redundancy, and various other enhancements. It runs very nicely on windows, though it reportedly scores a touch better clk4clk w Linux. It also is almost soley FPU dependent and prefers AMD's stronger FPU. However it works well w/ HT (reportedly 30%) Ive found, so that would thats a plus for those with HT Intels. There will be a new beta out shortly I believe that with have some enhancements for those who run Linux, though as of yet, I believe is not "officially" supported, but still runs.

Anyhow, sorry if this post seems llike a shameless and opportunistic plug - it wasnt meant to be. Just trying to share a bit of my limited experience and knowledge on this project and I think it is worthy for your personal consideration and investigation if you should see fit to make a change. Just a suggestion...

Sigma

[STEvil]

Fired off a couple emails...

[v4p0r]

My view on things is that if they werent doing something with the work we are doing then why the hell are they laying out the cashto keep the d2ol site up. I would say that with all the ppl that crunch the bandwidth cost are probably pretty steep. I dont see any ads there so they are obviously funded from somewhere. I dont think anyone would put down that kinda cash unless they were getting something out of it. Since all these GHZ seem to be going to the gov. in some way shape or form i could really care less what they do with it. Has anyone poked around in the docking prog to see if its really doing what they are saying it is???? But hell its going to the army and i figure we owe em something. Im for sticking with it??

[jjcom]

yeah, wonder if this (http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000834;p=1#0000 01) has gotten anyone's attention...maybe if the team stopped by there and said something about wanting more info...it might get them to speak...the number one producing team just leaving would be a big thing.

jjcom

[The Mofo]

I personally dont think were going to hear a damn thing from the D2Ol folk. Funny too, because i was going to bring this very subject up last month.

If we do decide to goto a new DC project, make sure it has installers to completely tweak and take advantage of our setups 100%. I like how XS team works. Ive been on many teams over the last 10 yrs and this team has been the best. BTW, SETI is worthless.

[[XC] serlv]

Some background on me. And my thoughts on the matter.

I started DC shortly after my father died from Cancer. At the time I was running either two or three computers. I was pissed at Cancer for taking my Dad, and I wanted to contribute in a fight for a cure or a better, more effective treatment.

The project that I crunched on was UD ( the computational software was written by Keith Davies who is no longer with UD, and is the coder, admin and head of FAD ). I joined a team PC911 and got caught up in competition amongst teammates and "against" other teams. Our "archrival" and a team we enjoyed lively and spirited, but friendly and respectful banter with, was Bitbendertech. At PC911, there was a move to "quiet down" and basically sabotage our UD team's efforts to grow and recruit. So there was a large exodus of quite a few of our members., even though for statistical purposes stats stay with the team in which they were crunched on. In other words, when we left we left everything behind. To us it was that important, and we were willing to start from the ground up. We joined are former "nemesis", Bitbenders. There was huge group of us, a large chunk of the PC911 team. We helped Bitbenders rise up through the "ranks" of UD, further than the considerable distance that little, but mighty team already had. Among those who switched from PC911, probably the only two names you might recognize are mine and Plum Ugly's. I'm happy to say that back then I kicked PU's ass mightily and daily, in terms of production. :woot: :woot: :woot:

Well, at some point I developed doubts as to where the results of our crunching,in UD, were going. Too me, the project had become too commercial and it had always been, to me, not responsive to the members that made up its' crunching core.

It was a tough decision to make for me, but I decided to leave UD for a project that also crunched against Cancer. I had poured a lot of myself into it, let alone money on equipment, power, etc. into UD but I felt I could no longer support UD and that if I was going to continue to crunch then I wanted to crunch on a project that seemed to offer the most support, and had the best software. I had been testing FaD out on a few machines while still running UD on the majority of them. I liked, really liked what I saw. I started running FaD on all my machines, exclusively. As of the beginning of this year, when I joined XS-D2OL, I had risen to #5 in the world.

As a side note, I needed to liquidate some assets in July of '03, and sold a bloc of my best crunchers to Plum Ugly, who had eclipsed me in production in UD months before. That guy is a crunching maniac, let me tell you. While at his house, delivering the PC's, I showed him what I was running ( FaD ) and told him why. He agreed and expressed his own disenchatment with UD. He started running FaD and we both joined XPC. We helped run XPC up to 1st in the world in FaD. At some point, the Russian juggernaut grew to such an immense size thaat we could no longer fend them off. When we had 107 members and they had 600, we could do it. But eventually, they grew to 1300+ members and just blew by us. We are in 2nd in FaD.

Plum is ranked in 1st on that team, and I am ranked 2nd. But my output is way down.

When I joined XS-D2OL it was because in my ravenous appetite for OCing info and knowledge I found myself spending a lot of time here. Perhaps more than at XPC. I wanted to give back to the community that I get so much out of. So I joined you all. My original plan was to split my resources perhaps 50-50 between XPC-FaD and XS-D2OL.

When I joined, to me, it was an exploratory thing. I developed my own doubts about D2OL early on. As a matter of fact, way back when, when XS was trying to decideon what project to focus on, I had suggested and argued for FaD. But my voice was drowned out for various reasons. Some liked the stats and look of the client, some voiced other reasons. But it was decided D2OL was it. I always had my misgivings about the client, from that first vote. But who was I, at the time I didn't run any DC with this website, though I was a member of the forums. So you guys crunched your thing and I crunched mine. Eventually, I felt I wanted to crunch, some, with you guys. So I turned off Fad on some machines and installed D2OL, even though I had no passion about the project. I was more into "running DC" with XS, than into D2OL, with those few machines. But eventually, being the stats whore and competitive mofo that I am, I started installing D2OL on more machines. But somewhere in the back of my mind, I always felt like I was turning my back, somewhat, on the DC project that has my true crunching passion, FaD. I just simply believe in it more. Believe in it strongly. But I muffled that passion, and got caught up in helping a team rise up through the ranks. Hey, its' heady stuff!

Since joining XS - D2OL, my FaD ranking has slipped from 5th overall, to 9th. That doesn't bother me too much.

But what really bothers me is Free-DC is now outproducing XPC, though they are 506 days away fro man overtake date. It looks like they are outproducing XPC by several 100,000 points a day. I know my personal output is down from what used to be 100-120K/day to 17-20K daily. Plum's is down 200-350K a day

I know this. If we cease to crunch D2OL as a team, there is no way I'm crunching F@H. It will be FaD for me.

What I'd like to see, even though it may only be a pipe dream, is for us to combine with XPC into a new team called "United Xtreme" ( or something amenable to both XPC and XS, something that doesn't favor one's site over another in terms of the name. Our combined firepower would be stupendous.

So, if Free-DC is abandoning D2OL, and if we do, too., then I think we should chase them over into FaD and whoop their butts there, too. I imagine there firepower would be a little more united there if they cease D2OL altoghether, though. That is why I think we should have allies ( XPC ).
~~ Hey they have Xtreme in their name, too...
together we'd be awesome.

And you could save me the trouble of figuring whoo the hell am I gonna crunch for! :) LOL

Anyway, enough out of me, my fingers are sore nad you've probably tired of me going on and on.

I'm not even gonna bother "previewing" this, I'll just let it be a rambling, semi - stream of conciousness thing.

[Gorgeous]

OMG. I'm famous (http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000833)! :D :cool: :eek: :banana: :woot:

I was going to create a thread about this to give you the news that you strike fear int othe d20l community, but i decided not to :p:

[chunkylover77]

Good post Serlv. My father was just diagnosed with cancer a few months back and it is inoperable. It is slow growing though so we should have a decent amount of time with him. My mother and mother in law both had cancer but both beat it. I would be agreeable to stay with D2OL if we get some good answers. However if we get nothing I say we jump ship to a new project.

[jikdoc]

great post serlv. i'll definitely defer to your judgement as to what project to crunch for. as a physician, i particularly enjoy biomed crunching. it's very apropos that the bulk of the machines i fold on are at the hospital i work at.

[jjcom]

A friend of mine has cancer and other family members had in the past. So if we move onto another project, I'm 100% for it. When you know someone who has or had cancer, it really makes you want to fold/crunch. Whatever project XS goes to, I'm willing to help...altho, I may not put my full into SETI. But FaH, F@H, ect are fine with me. If the D2OL guys stay quiet, I'm all for moving on.

jjcom

[NapalmV5]

Hold on guys... look i have the same concerns that i did when i joined but i still joined because of the great team here at XS. I'd have the same concerns going for anything else. Let's stay the course till it is decided as a team. I hope they don't ignore us but it's up to them.

Now, even though Free-DC have used this as strategy.... still, why do D2OL if there are no updates since 2003. We dunno if we're doing new or old work and from the looks of it, even they don't. Either way, it don't look good...

[NapalmV5]

BTW, where's Rod, DDtung, Plum and the other guys?

[Bok]

Now, even though Free-DC have used this as strategy.... still, why do D2OL if there are no updates since 2003. We dunno if we're doing new or old work and from the looks of it, even they don't. Either way, it don't look good...

Napalm,

sigh, please, that's exactly what we've been trying to say we are not doing. All that happened was that one of your members asked us to put up a fight and we explained the reasons why people aren't running it much anymore. Nothing more, nothing less.

We WANT you to get past us so you can go on and pass TA....

Bok

[chunkylover77]

Yeah Napalm actually read the thread. They are not trying to get us to stop crunching. I just read the thread and voiced the concern they had over there. No one is stopping crunching we just want answers.

[angrysquirrel]

I'm not too happy with D2OL after reading their forums, I'm in the process of researching F@H and FAD to see which would be more worthwhile.

PS: I hope changing DC projects doesn't mean that we're going to need to vote for a new captain, I love Rod :D and I don't want to have a chance for him to lose his position.

Edit: I'm not sure I like either f@h or fad, they both have a very limited selection of client. Anyone know of any DC project that has support for many systems and has a worthwhile cause (d.net has support for anything you could think of and more but doesn't do anything to help society)

[trakslacker]

Napalm,

sigh, please, that's exactly what we've been trying to say we are not doing. All that happened was that one of your members asked us to put up a fight and we explained the reasons why people aren't running it much anymore. Nothing more, nothing less.

We WANT you to get past us so you can go on and pass TA....

Bok

exactly. after reading all the threads here and over at Free-DC and doing my own research, I'm finding that D2OL may not be worth our crunching power. Its possible that it still is, but if we are never allowed to see any results, we cant know for sure. At that point I would be all for a DC project that we know is at least trying to make a difference. We all feel the same way as the good guys at Free-DC, that while the competition can be fun, the real goal is to help the academic and research community to make a difference in our world. If D2OL produces no results, to me it is not worht running.

[Ackbar]

To be honest, F@H tends to seem the most legitimate of the two. Although they don't claim that their results are going to cure cancer, they have some implications towards such. One paper on their website refers to p53, which is an oncogene. So they deal with projects that have potential relevence, just not direct relevence. F@H doesn't do the "docking" part though, which in my opinion is the MOST questionable part of FAD and DDOL from a scientific standpoint. "Docking" using molecular mechanics can give quite poor results since bonding is more of a quantum process than a classical one.

I'd say, go for F@H over FAD if you want research thats a little more sound as it is backed by a well known university (although grid.org has some projects backed by Oxford!). But go with FAD if you really feel that you'd rather the work go towards something that is potentially immediately relevent. Keep in mind though that everything in science has a use over time. Its just a matter of how long.

[em99010pepe]

......one of your members asked us to put up a fight and we explained the reasons why people aren't running it much anymore......

Bok

That was me. As I said there I am only on DC projects for fun and competition, nothing else.
What can I do? :shrug:

Carlos

[Bok]

That was me. As I said there I am only on DC projects for fun and competition, nothing else.
What can I do? :shrug:

Carlos

Carlos,

no, it wasn't you.

Bok

[em99010pepe]

Carlos,

no, it wasn't you.

Bok

Sorry. Was Ronbo54 but I was with him too.

So what are you guys going to do? You have a similar project called TSC (http://www.childhooddiseases.org/). I don't know if it is also a dead project.
With TSC you will make more 30% because the wu's are smaller.

Carlos

[DDTUNG]

Napalm,

sigh, please, that's exactly what we've been trying to say we are not doing. All that happened was that one of your members asked us to put up a fight and we explained the reasons why people aren't running it much anymore. Nothing more, nothing less.

We WANT you to get past us so you can go on and pass TA....

Bok

Bok is right. Even though it doesn't look too good, there is no conclusive evidence either way. So I am staying the course until we do or don't get some good answers.

We started to do a job, now LET'S FINISH IT!

FreeDC and TA here we come. :)

DDTUNG :cool:

[saaya]

It shouldn't take you more than 10 minutes to read, saaya. But in a nuttshell, there are a number of us who have doubts regarding the whole D2OL project. Prior to this thread even being established, I was already starting to formulate a series of questions within me that I have yet to find answers to. As of this writing, D2OL is a very big question mark hovering over my head. Unless someone can clear this up for me, let it be known that I made my last dump 15 minutes ago.

I'm 100% for team work. I'm just not 100% certain what my contribution is going towards. :confused:

i read a few threads for 30mins but still couldnt find anything but rumors, thats why i asked :D

[saaya]

Bok is right. Even though it doesn't look too good, there is no conclusive evidence either way. So I am staying the course until we do or don't get some good answers.

We started to do a job, now LET'S FINISH IT!

FreeDC and TA here we come. :)

DDTUNG :cool:

hmmm after reading it all over again i agree, there are only rumors, and the rumors have been around for a looong time... so why stop d2olling now? :D

[DDTUNG]

I am going to ask our beloved Captain to try and get some good answers out of the Admins at D2OL.

In the meantime, everybody keep doing what they've been doing and we will catch FDC and TA in 60 days. Then we can decide to stay or move.

What have we got to lose? 60 more days of fullsteam crunching to burnin our systems. :) Don't give anyone a chance to call us quitters. :nono:

DDTUNG :cool:

[Disposibleteen]

im here with my meager contributions for now, we will see when we take the next 2 what i think though.

[NapalmV5]

Napalm,

sigh, please, that's exactly what we've been trying to say we are not doing. All that happened was that one of your members asked us to put up a fight and we explained the reasons why people aren't running it much anymore. Nothing more, nothing less.

We WANT you to get past us so you can go on and pass TA....

Bok

Sorry guys, was in a hurry...

http://free-dc.org/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9064

After reading through that thread, that's why i went with, ( Now, even though Free-DC have used this as strategy.... ) should've used better wording, sorry guys.

I know you guys just wanted to start a little friendly competition... and that's what i meant,



Sorry all

I was just trying to start a little friendly competition between us and XS. I've had doubts too, but was hopeful we were doing some good.

My recent jump to FAD was more about having some fun for a while than abandoning this project.
http://free-dc.org/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9080&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

This is about the guys at D2OL,

(still, why do D2OL if there are no updates since 2003. We dunno if we're doing new or old work and from the looks of it, even they don't. Either way, it don't look good...)

[ronbo54]

Sorry to have caused all the fuss. :(

When we passed TFY both teams produced higher numbers. As I stated, I was trying to get some of Free-DC back on the project for some friendly competition.

I have enjoyed your active forum (although I haven't quite figured out the kitten part yet) and wish you well in passing TA. We'll try to keep the cows busy in FAD for a while (stampede coming in June) so you can close faster on them.

I will (probably) be back once I stomp a few friends in FAD

[trakslacker]

no apologies needed. It is good that we as a team and DC community look into these kind of things. If our efforts are producing no results, we need and deserve to know. If they are, then great. But these are the questions that need to be asked.

As far ast he kittens go, well, perhaps you should direct that question toward Rodzilla. ;)

Again, thanks for stopping by.

[perkam]

Though u know, if they come up with something new or you guys start something new...the dedication of the d20l members has shown that XS will be a formiddable crunching machine for a VERY long time, especially if we start like some of the other crunching apps...All of a sudden all hardware websites start looking back to see how much time till they get absorbed :D

Perkam

[i found nemo]

ya know this is kinda bull crap nobody knows what we're doing or why we're doing it, sure to help mankind, but this is likely old info files charts sketches so on so forth i'm dissapointed to be doing something that i thought would contribute to mankind they obviously are not doing anything because they would respond with meaningful information for fear of loosing ppl to do the work for them for free i personally think it's bull crap and that they say something worth while make an update for goodness sakes and do something to make me stay and do the work for them might i add once more FOR FREE imagine how much less money you'd have had saved if you hadn't done this if this project is done and they don't update info so we keep going raising electricity bills omg it's so dumb if and indeed this project is done i think ppl who had alot of rigs running send a re-embursement request for electricity to the adress's of the jack***es who don't wanna update cuz they are too busy or important ....they must not realize electricity costs money i am VERY disapointed in this however will continue to fold until it's on the bottom line that it's done with however if i'm wrong on anything i do appologize

[conrad.maranan]

Bok is right. Even though it doesn't look too good, there is no conclusive evidence either way. So I am staying the course until we do or don't get some good answers.

We started to do a job, now LET'S FINISH IT!

FreeDC and TA here we come. :)

DDTUNG :cool:
I will ride this out for a little bit longer. However, I sincerely hope that you all see where I am coming from as far as the questions unanswered issue is concerned. I'm not one who likes taking a ride with uncertainty, but I will put up a fight for the sake of XS coming out on top stats-wise.

Full speed ahead until we take everyone else down from the top. But we seriously should look into another DC project afterwards. ;)

[vapb400]

ya know this is kinda bull crap nobody knows what we're doing or why we're doing it, sure to help mankind, but this is likely old info files charts sketches so on so forth i'm dissapointed to be doing something that i thought would contribute to mankind they obviously are not doing anything because they would respond with meaningful information for fear of loosing ppl to do the work for them for free i personally think it's bull crap and that they say something worth while make an update for goodness sakes and do something to make me stay and do the work for them might i add once more FOR FREE imagine how much less money you'd have had saved if you hadn't done this if this project is done and they don't update info so we keep going raising electricity bills omg it's so dumb if and indeed this project is done i think ppl who had alot of rigs running send a re-embursement request for electricity to the adress's of the jack***es who don't wanna update cuz they are too busy or important ....they must not realize electricity costs money i am VERY disapointed in this however will continue to fold until it's on the bottom line that it's done with however if i'm wrong on anything i do appologize

i semi agree with you, but my god, punctuation is your friend. That was really painful to read.

[i found nemo]

i semi agree with you, but my god, punctuation is your friend. That was really painful to read.

then maybe you should type semi-agree mr.perfect english. meenie :( :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: :slap:

[UCmajewski]

I will quit running d2ol when DPC is #2 ! :)

[DDTUNG]

Thank you conrad. :)

I share the same concerns that you have. Personally I had a decision to make a little over 6 months ago to either give up DC, or replace/update my farm. Quite frankly I was leaning towards quitting, until Jeff and a few others started doing D2OL. There's no way I was going to let me friends fight a battle on their own. You guys know the rest. $15k went towards new hardware, maybe a bit more. Gave most of the old mobos and chips away for free so they would continue to crunch. And the electricity.......well the Hong Kong Electric Co. Ltd. likes me alot. :p:

So let's keep crunching, at the same time seeking our answers from the D2OL Admins and keeping an open mind about other DC projects. Whatever happens in the end, I am proud of being a part of Team XS. :up:

DDTUNG :cool:

[trakslacker]

ya know this is kinda bull crap nobody knows what we're doing or why we're doing it, sure to help mankind, but this is likely old info files charts sketches so on so forth i'm dissapointed to be doing something that i thought would contribute to mankind they obviously are not doing anything because they would respond with meaningful information for fear of loosing ppl to do the work for them for free i personally think it's bull crap and that they say something worth while make an update for goodness sakes and do something to make me stay and do the work for them might i add once more FOR FREE imagine how much less money you'd have had saved if you hadn't done this if this project is done and they don't update info so we keep going raising electricity bills omg it's so dumb if and indeed this project is done i think ppl who had alot of rigs running send a re-embursement request for electricity to the adress's of the jack***es who don't wanna update cuz they are too busy or important ....they must not realize electricity costs money i am VERY disapointed in this however will continue to fold until it's on the bottom line that it's done with however if i'm wrong on anything i do appologize

Frist off, ddtung, exclelentj p[ost.

secondd off i found nemo you muist be druink. I got backx from a party and im hammered, and i only have one thing to sayz:

Longest. Sentenence. Evwr.

sorry for teh smappmage.

[[XC] serlv]

hiccup! ;) :stick: :)

[F|apDro|`]

I will quit running d2ol when DPC is #2 ! :)


!! :toast:

[Gorgeous]

Sorry to have caused all the fuss. :(

When we passed TFY both teams produced higher numbers. As I stated, I was trying to get some of Free-DC back on the project for some friendly competition.

I have enjoyed your active forum (although I haven't quite figured out the kitten part yet) and wish you well in passing TA. We'll try to keep the cows busy in FAD for a while (stampede coming in June) so you can close faster on them.

I will (probably) be back once I stomp a few friends in FAD

Rofl...i think i must be to blame aswell linking to your thread
:(

[x714n]

noone to be blamed here, cheer up
basicly we just want to know wheter what we did are being used properly or not

[i found nemo]

lol@ slacker, no i just hate periods :O

[Magnj]

Thank you conrad. :)

I share the same concerns that you have. Personally I had a decision to make a little over 6 months ago to either give up DC, or replace/update my farm. Quite frankly I was leaning towards quitting, until Jeff and a few others started doing D2OL. There's no way I was going to let me friends fight a battle on their own. You guys know the rest. $15k went towards new hardware, maybe a bit more. Gave most of the old mobos and chips away for free so they would continue to crunch. And the electricity.......well the Hong Kong Electric Co. Ltd. likes me alot. :p:

So let's keep crunching, at the same time seeking our answers from the D2OL Admins and keeping an open mind about other DC projects. Whatever happens in the end, I am proud of being a part of Team XS. :up:

DDTUNG :cool:

Yay. Rod what are your feelings?

[GeoffS]

Roadkill AT... that's funny... we basically quit the project about a year ago for the very same reasons (and a couple of others that were never addressed like cheating...)... good to see that someone is finally going to pass us! :p:

[caLume]

whatever comes. i´ll go with the XS community :fact:

[Ackbar]

My vote is for going with a different DC program. If so many other organizations are stopping their work with D2OL we might as well since its no challenge to catch up and beat other teams if they're not competing anymore! The most competitive one seems to be F@H, so that be a lofty goal worth trying for or FAD if you guys are still up to searching for drugs.

[Beat_Slayer]

For me it seems that distibuted.net it's a good option!

[Rodzilla]

Sorry for the LONG delay in my response... I only read this Sunday night and it was late... I needed some time to reflect and get a feeling for what was going on.

First i need to say that I'm proud of this team! This thread proved that we are a true team! This could have easily split us apart and ruined the team. While some jumped the sturdy USS Xtreme... those of us who bleed XS stayed the course. I'm proud of that!

I'm also proud that we can discuss something like this in the open and keep an open mind and level head.

Next I just need to say that nothings changed... Free-DC has been in this same holding pattern for some time. They haven't quit. And despite what some would say... I don't think the D2OL project is a dead project. Actually... I know it's not. And for someone to say that my fellow teammates and I are contributing to a dead project is just like saying that we aren't contributing anything worthwhile. D2OL may not be well... but it is alive!! I think for us to turn our back on the project isn't going to do anything to help it. If anything it will just push it down a level.

As we speak the people over at the Rothberg Institute are working on the next version of the client. Why hire someone to code a new client if the project is dead?

Also... let me pose this question... Do we need the D2OL staff to constantly reassure us? :confused: I would like to think that we can trust them... they have nothing to gain from stringing us along. With the D2OL project as under staffed and under funded as it is they really can't afford to wrong the community... so I can't see how they would.

I would also like to point out the immense amount of work it has taken to build this team! Please don't overlook this. 90% of you are here because of the work that has been put into this team by others and myself... Starting a new project will mean starting from a blank canvas. (The only difference this time is that we have more butts to fill the seats ;) )

All of this said... We are not a "D2OL team". We are Team XtremeSystems... So no matter what project we run, we will be the same team. The project is only the focus of the team... not it's fabric. So whether The XtremeSystems team wants to find ET so we can probe him... or we want to Find a Drug... it doesn't matter... we are still team XtremeSystems.

This also means that our identity is with this forum. No matter what project we run we will always be team XtremeSystems. We cannot and will not ask XS to support a team that doesn’t bear its name. I'm proud to go by the title of Rodzilla of XtremeSystems and that will never change! So... Mergers with other teams in other projects won't happen. We are XtremeSystems. So sadly XPC and XS cannot and will not form an alliance in FaD. It won't be our team... It won't be XS... The same is true with Free-DC and XS in F@H. It won't be out team and it won't brandish our name.

Also be prepared to deal with the repercussions of switching to a new project. If we go to F@H we lose DDTUNG. If we go to FaD we will likely lose Plum and Serlv... as they are already aligned with XPC (But I can't speak for them) From everything I have heard D2OL is the smoothest project out there... that was a major factor in the decision to run this project from the beginning.

I'm willing to do what ever the team wants! Know that if we hop to a new project I would be happy to lead it. Tradition states that when we start a new project we vote for a leader.

[chunkylover77]

Well Rod as long as you are convinced that this is a worthwhile project that is good enough for me. Keep crunching boys.

[Disposibleteen]

im still here arent I?

P.S. - Now i can OC *giggle*

[caLume]

rod is totally true,
many people of XS put a lot of work in this project so i think it would be sad to drop it.
(anyway im planning a new cruncher :D..)

[Magnj]

As we speak the people over at the Rothberg Institute are working on the next version of the client. Why hire someone to code a new client if the project is dead?
...
Also... let me pose this question... Do we need the D2OL staff to constantly reassure us? :


New Client would be awesome. hopefully some better work getting done. I'm all for staying on course with this project. And I think it's important we do because as rod has said. If we move over somewhere else, not only will we be starting from the ground up, we will lose most of our huge output members.

But yes rod, we do need some reassurance from D20l. The site hasn;t been updated in quite some time. A simple, hello, thanks for the help, right now wer are doing xxx. would be great even if only a couple times a year...

[Rodzilla]

Have you guys seen these threads over at D2OL forums?

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000021;p=1#0000 00
http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000834

[trakslacker]

I agree with Rod, I also agree with Magnj that at least some form of a message might be nice. I'm still crunching(however puny my output may be;)), and will continue to do so until we all decide that a change is necessary. But whatever we pick, I'm with XS. :)

[shmaa]

I will quit running d2ol when DPC is #2 ! :)

ditto

[caLume]

dont think that they will answer @ the forums but hope never dies, dont wanna drop the project :(

[jjcom]

I'm still crunching for XS D2OL, and Rod's got a good point about them working on a new client...why make a new one if the project is dead? Just it'd be nice to have some updates from them every once in awhile, since some are several years old

jjcom

[F|apDro|`]

conrad we miss ur pie :'(

[STEvil]

Email recieved, the project is not dead.

More info as I get it.

[trakslacker]

good things, STEvil.

conrad, bring back your lime-green goodness. :(

[DDTUNG]

Rod, I too am proud to be DDTUNG of XtremeSystems. :up:

DDTUNG :cool:

[conrad.maranan]

[QUOTE=Rodzilla]I'm willing to do what ever the team wants! Know that if we hop to a new project I would be happy to lead it. Tradition states that when we start a new project we vote for a leader.

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000834
Thanks for your support and your opinions on this matter, Steven. I looked into both of the threads that you listed and am hoping that they will pay particular attention to the second thread. I have my doubts that they will provide us with the type of responses we wish to hear, but I still hope for the best. ;)
Email recieved, the project is not dead.

More info as I get it.
Please do share with us, bro. Give me something to hold on to.
conrad we miss ur pie :'(
conrad, bring back your lime-green goodness. :(
I was planning to take back my serving of lime green pie today. Unfortunately, I called for the day off and will not be back at the office until tomorrow afternoon. You can expect me to move from #14 to #11 by tomorrow night.

Give me some hope and I'll take down the #2 spot before Jeff can even realize that he can not shake off his XS addiction. :rocker:

[Disposibleteen]

thats great news conrad! Glad to have you still on the team with us.
@DDtung- I too am very proud to be Disposibleteen fo THE XS D2OL team.

[conrad.maranan]

This last post (http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000834) by kb9skw sucks. It's so generic and lacking in terms of information. :down:

[Ackbar]

This last post (http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000834) by kb9skw sucks. It's so generic and lacking in terms of information. :down:

This part is the best...

Q: All in all... Is this project dead/
A: No I don't think so.

Its funny that he says that the results will be published in a peer-reviewed journal like Nature as Nature is arguably the MOST difficult journal to publish in. Short of a cure for cancer and/or discovery of a new species, or similar level of research, publication in Nature is nearly impossible. Good luck with that!

[trakslacker]

This last post (http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000834) by kb9skw sucks. It's so generic and lacking in terms of information. :down:


heres what gets me about the info that guy gave. If the results of this testing go well, we might see something published in some journal at some point. Lord man, we want to know whats going down even if the results dont go as well as hoped. It only takes basic progamming skill to toss up a small message on the front page saying that testing is being done.

I'm still firmly on the XS team and will be no matter what. We as a team are very firmly entrenched in D2OL, and its a smooth program, but answers like this seem to be heading in a direction I'm not particularly fond of.

[conrad.maranan]

Its funny that he says that the results will be published in a peer-reviewed journal like Nature as Nature is arguably the MOST difficult journal to publish in. Short of a cure for cancer and/or discovery of a new species, or similar level of research, publication in Nature is nearly impossible. Good luck with that!
I am somewhat familiar with the Nature publication because I used to be a fairly hardcore nursing student (once upon a time, many moons ago). Indeed, D2OL's progress will have to be ground-breaking in order to even be considered for a page in Nature. The part that bugged me the most is:
Q: All in all... Is this project dead?
A: No I don't think so.
You don't think so? Can we at least have someone who knows respond to the questions with just a little bit more information? :stick:

[NapalmV5]

It'd be nice to get a little more concrete 'No, the project is not dead'. Hope we get it, we/all involved at least deserve it.

Anyway, i'm still crunching...

[NapalmV5]

Dunno about you guys but i'd have the same concerns going with anything else out there, even though some are more updated than others.

So let's stick with D2OL and let's go get the #1 place.

[Rodzilla]

Everyone. If you are voicing concerns and doubt here in this thread know that it doesn't mean squat unless the peeps at D2OL know about it.

If you think it broken do something about it and fix it! *Imagine that said very sternly and with a lot of heart* We put too much damn work in this project to walk away!!!!!!!! If you think the responses given are generic or lack substance then say something about it!!!!! MAKE THEM MAKE YOU HAPPY!!!!!

I would ask that if you have a genuine concern that you would voice it here.
http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000834#000006

Make them hear you! Make them hear us all!!!! Conrad... I look forward to your post over there. Let's not just pack up our football and go home because things aren't going our way. Unlike the others that have stepped away from D2OL I would like us to fight for it! Make it better!!!!! If we stand up on our soap box and yell loud enough we will be heard! And if it can't be fixed we will have truly done the right thing and made an effort! We will force the issues and learn the truth!

This can go one of 2 ways if we stick to it. 1.) We can get this project rolling again like it should be. We can bring the teams back into D2OL and give it new life. We can get the answers that we crave and the information we deserve.

or 2.) We will learn that the project truly is dead or that the D2OL peeps truly don't give a damn about it's community... And that will truly be the end of it and our CPU cycles can move onto a worthy cause.

I'm going to say this one more time... If you have problems with D2OL then don’t just whine about it!!!! FIX IT!!!
http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000834#000006
We are XtremeSystems and we will be heard!!!

[conrad.maranan]

I'm currently gathering my thoughts for what to include in my post. My voice will be heard - probably ignored, but heard nonetheless. ;)

[ronbo54]

This last post (http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000834) by kb9skw sucks. It's so generic and lacking in terms of information. :down:

Just remember, kb9skw is not employed by D2OL. He is a volunteer spending his own time helping as a moderator in the forum and helping with technical questions. I know that he has been trying to get some of the same questions answered. He has the same hopes for this project that DDTUNG, Rod, or I have.

He probably used Nature as an example of the type of peer reviewed publication everyone would be familiar with. There are many hundreds of well reguarded peer reviewed publications out there that the layperson would never know existed.

I have been looking at other projects also and as one of your threads here point out the hard facts of real progress aren't all there. Some are better at PR than others, but that doesn't make them better projects.

As for concerns that the results are being tested at a military facility, I don't have a problem with that. I would assume they have the most virulent strains anthrax to work with, the highest security (hope so), and top scientists to work on it.

[Rodzilla]

Just remember, kb9skw is not employed by D2OL. He is a volunteer spending his own time helping as a moderator in the forum and helping with technical questions. I know that he has been trying to get some of the same questions answered. He has the same hopes for this project that DDTUNG, Rod, or I have.

He probably used Nature as an example of the type of peer reviewed publication everyone would be familiar with. There are many hundreds of well reguarded peer reviewed publications out there that the layperson would never know existed.

I have been looking at other projects also and as one of your threads here point out the hard facts of real progress aren't all there. Some are better at PR than others, but that doesn't make them better projects.

As for concerns that the results are being tested at a military facility, I don't have a problem with that. I would assume they have the most virulent strains anthrax to work with, the highest security (hope so), and top scientists to work on it.

Ronbo... I would like to whole heartedly thank you for your post here. Regardless of your affiliation we all have great respect for you. Thanks!

I'm quite aware that kb9skw isn't staff. As far as this issue goes he is merely a fellow D2OLer. One of the most helpful at that... But as far as this issue goes... he's kb9skw of team Frozen yogurt... Which is EXACTLY why I requested input from Charles or Wolfgang or some of the scientist.

kb9skw has there ear... so I hope he can lean over on our side of the fence and lend a hand.

[bachus_anonym]

I no longer participate in D2OL project, so I might not have so much to say anymore, but here's my :2cents: on the subject...

I've had two reasons for leaving D2OL behind: (1) electricity bill and (2) the project itself.
I studied threads over at D2OL forums (not much to read there, unfortunately) and Free-DC. There was absolutely zero response at that time from Wolfgang. He only said something after he was repeatedly been asked to take stand and give some updates on the matter. Then he gave some response, that probably not many understood at all, but not even on official D2OL forums, but Free-DC... Weird, If you ask me.
Then again, this is sort of specific project, that has recently focused on Anthrax research, that is sort-of considered confidential, so Wolfgang said that he cannot say a lot about it... So, I decided that Anthrax does not really have a priority in my eyes for human-kind's wellness.
So, I quit!

Free-DC has reduced their daily output in D2OL from 11k to barely 3k within a month. So now, within last month XS did 31% of the work, with DPC with 22%...
So, Wolfgang has better something to say on the subject or else I can see this project die very quickly if XS decides to move on to a different project.

regards,

[Rodzilla]

I'm currently gathering my thoughts for what to include in my post. My voice will be heard - probably ignored, but heard nonetheless. ;)

Great! Thanks for your support!

Just remember... there is more than one way we can contribute to this project. Traditionally we just have to keep our PC's running. Today we need to fight for D2OL. This can be the most important contribution you can give... We can't all be like ronbo or ddtung... With this YOU might be able to make a serious impact! How freaking bold and noble! I'm seriously amped!

Make it happen Team XtremeSystems!

http://www.adventurevision.com/ftp/Rodzilla/Artwork/Logo.jpg

[Rodzilla]

I no longer participate in D2OL project, so I might not have so much to say anymore, but here's my :2cents: on the subject...

I've had two reasons for leaving D2OL behind: (1) electricity bill and (2) the project itself.
I studied threads over at D2OL forums (not much to read there, unfortunately) and Free-DC. There was absolutely zero response at that time from Wolfgang. He only said something after he was repeatedly been asked to take stand and give some updates on the matter. Then he gave some response, that probably not many understood at all, but not even on official D2OL forums, but Free-DC... Weird, If you ask me.
Then again, this is sort of specific project, that has recently focused on Anthrax research, that is sort-of considered confidential, so Wolfgang said that he cannot say a lot about it... So, I decided that Anthrax does not really have a priority in my eyes for human-kind's wellness.
So, I quit!

Free-DC has reduced their daily output in D2OL from 11k to barely 3k within a month. So now, within last month XS did 31% of the work, with DPC with 22%...
So, Wolfgang has better something to say on the subject or else I can see this project die very quickly if XS decides to move on to a different project.

regards,

^^^^That's all very true.

But now we are to the point where we do wield quite a bit of power! We have built the fastest and most overclocked soapbox on which to stand! :cool:

And we will use it!

[ronbo54]

Our soapbox was also 40K + just a few months ago. If we could get answers, a lot of teams would probably come back to this level of productivity. I personally know kb9skw has tried as have Bok, myself and many others both in forums and behind the scenes. Even Charles doesn't know many of the answers. Wolfgang is the one with the answers.

Now Rodzilla, what's all this about Kittens????
Also, red pie is by far the best!!!!!

[Rodzilla]

Our soapbox was also 40K + just a few months ago. If we could get answers, a lot of teams would probably come back to this level of productivity. I personally know kb9skw has tried as have Bok, myself and many others both in forums and behind the scenes. Even Charles doesn't know many of the answers. Wolfgang is the one with the answers.

Now Rodzilla, what's all this about Kittens????
Also, red pie is by far the best!!!!!

Ahhh yes... I have studied the pervious attempts at getting answers. Where others have failed we will succeed! If we can stick together as a team we will put up a front that will demand respect! Good or bad we will have answers! We aren't going to send our most productive member to try and carry this through the back door. XS will be standing on the lawn of the Rothberg institute in plain view. We will have our answers.

:kitten2:

.:EDIT:. I can't afford red pie! :lol:

.:EDIT2:. trakslacker summed it all up quite eloquently! And very funny too!!!!! :lol:
this is actually fairly simple, as it gives all of us a solid reason to keep crunching. The logic below describes what happens if we all don't crunch:

Rod's our captain.
We crunch under Rod.
We stop crunching.
Rod finds kitten.
Rod kills kitten.
Rod finds another kitten.
We all start crunching again to spare kitten.
Satisfied, Rod spares kitten.
Rod later kills kitten anyway, just for fun.
Repeat as necessary.

Yeah, I think that about sums it up. Basically, you are killing kittens if you dont crunch. You don't want to kill kittens do you? ;)

:kitten2:

[ronbo54]

OK, now I'm afraid Rod :lol:

Front door, back door, side door, windows (not that kind)

Try them all. Just posted my 2 cents worth on D2OL forum also.

[conrad.maranan]

I am satisfied (for now) with the post in this thread (http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000265;p=1#0000 00). I will resume crunching with full force and enough vengeance to take down any and all that stand in our way. Let it be known that LIME GREEN PIE WILL BE MINE - ALWAYS & FOREVER! :lol:

[Disposibleteen]

jeez conrad, i love your team spirit! :up:

[conrad.maranan]

When the holy spirit is in me, it's in me. But when it's gone...hahaha....you'll definitely notice it. :D

[Disposibleteen]

sounds like a gatorade commercial "is it in you?"

[conrad.maranan]

sounds like a gatorade commercial "is it in you?"
:rofl:

[Magnj]

wow, good to see a post from D20l. Hope that's enough to convince you guys. It is for me. I'm Saving for a lil dump on both my nodes. Gonna wait till i have like 1000K, yea i know some of you do t hat in12 hours but i'll feel proud :)

[[XC] serlv]

wow, good to see a post from D20l. Hope that's enough to convince you guys. It is for me. I'm Saving for a lil dump on both my nodes. Gonna wait till i have like 1000K, yea i know some of you do t hat in12 hours but i'll feel proud :)



MAN! 1000 1000!!! :slobber: Who does that? But i know what you meant ( I think ). You meant a thousand.


Anywhoo, it was really good to see that post from Charles.

[conrad.maranan]

Anywhoo, it was really good to see that post from Charles.
Indeed, it was. Do any of you know if Plum Ugly dropped out of the race? I sent him a PM a few minutes ago.

[NapalmV5]

Whoa, hope Plum didn't leave.

Glad to still have you conrad on the team.

:woot:

[conrad.maranan]

I was never truly gone. A bit discouraged, but never gone. ;) I'm starving so I'm back to claim what's mine. :D

[DDTUNG]

I was never truly gone. A bit discouraged, but never gone. ;) I'm starving so I'm back to claim what's mine. :D

Good. :) Jeff has told me that he'll get back over 1k per day soon. Now we need to bring the monkey back from FAD. :D

DDTUNG :cool:

[NapalmV5]

Alright!

Everybody outta the way and let conrad get his lime pie. lol

[NapalmV5]

Good. :) Jeff has told me that he'll get back over 1k per day soon. Now we need to bring the monkey back from FAD. :D

DDTUNG :cool:

So that's where the monkey at?

How do we get it back?


We need to get to 40K+ asap and hopefully 50K soon.

[jjcom]

We need to get to 40K+ asap and hopefully 50K soon.
Agreed, I've been running my rigs more sometimes. This is making me want to run them more, all the time :) When I get up in the morning, I was firing up my Duron at 2.25ghz and my Athlon XP @ 2.31ghz (wonder if I could get it higher...)but once this whole D2OL issue came up I stopped. (Dang powerbill)
Time to start doing that again...wonder...if I put the Duron in the basement...it wouldn't be heard...and its cooler down there....mmmmm....

jjcom

[conrad.maranan]

Good. :) Jeff has told me that he'll get back over 1k per day soon. Now we need to bring the monkey back from FAD. :D

DDTUNG :cool:
So Plum left for FaD? Just so that it's out in the open, I will have a few rigs running FaD starting next week. I think it's a good cause and I want to contribute. Don't worry, I'm not killing any of my current nodes to run FaD. What I have allocated for D2OL will remain with D2OL. :cool:

[STEvil]

Please do share with us, bro. Give me something to hold on to.

Your wish is my command, check your pm box.

[angrysquirrel]

Well I'm with you guys, I'm going to stay with D2OL. We should not just stay till dpc is #2, we have to hold them off too!

BTW: What happened to Plum? I haven't seen a post about his lack of crunching.

Edit: Looks like he's crunching FAD full time now: http://stats.free-dc.org/new/userstats.php?proj=fad&name=Plum+Ugly

[shmaa]

Well I'm with you guys, I'm going to stay with D2OL. We should not just stay till dpc is #2, we have to hold them off too!

BTW: What happened to Plum? I haven't seen a post about his lack of crunching.

Edit: Looks like he's crunching FAD full time now: http://stats.free-dc.org/new/userstats.php?proj=fad&name=Plum+Ugly


yeah.. you would think he would at least give us a formal goodbye... :shrug:
oh well

[conrad.maranan]

I'm hoping he will respond to my PM. Perhaps the new thread over at the D2OL forum will give him a little bit of initiative to come back to us. But then again, he's kicking arse in FaD. :eek:

[DDTUNG]

I'm hoping he will respond to my PM. Perhaps the new thread over at the D2OL forum will give him a little bit of initiative to come back to us. But then again, he's kicking arse in FaD. :eek:

I believe we can count on PU to be part of our reserve against the eventual stampede.

DDTUNG :cool:

[F|apDro|`]

DPC is going to stampede FaD soon .. so their output in d2ol will drop to 0 for a month then its time for us xD

[Rodzilla]

DPC is going to stampede FaD soon .. so their output in d2ol will drop to 0 for a month then its time for us xD

I'm glad to see the upbeat tone return to D2OL. It was gone for a short time and it sucked!

I would still like to get some more answers from the D2OL administration as to the progress of the new client. There is also the issue of the utter lack of communication on the part of the D2OL staff... They have admitted that there is a void there... but haven't committed to doing anything about it. Pretty much all they have done it snuff the fire out and left it smoldering only to erupt down the road.

[angrysquirrel]

I think they realize that they're safe to ignore us for another ~300.21 days.

[NoX]

I agree with Rodzilla. The post by Charles on the D2OL forum is encouraging but in fact it didn't show any data or evidence that the project is proceeding. I really appreciate the captain's skepticism, it's proving to me that our team doesn't care just about stats but it’s actually motivated by the project’s goals. I’ll continue crunching as long as we keep putting pressure on the D2OL staff, seeking for proofs that the work been done by our systems is being used for clear, non-profit, humanitarian research purposes.

[FallenAngel]

I only saw this thread today, I read it all and I'm proud to be from XtremeSystems, whatever XS chooses I will do it, I will never leave XS team no matter what project we will crunch, I'm so proud that my avatar name in other forums or games is FallenAngel XS

And give me some time to understand how I can raise my production and I will kick ass...

[Quanticles]

I havent quite read through this whole thread yet, but I've gotten the impression that D2OL had a fixed amount of work that needed to be done, and it has been done already. They dont really need us right now, but they think they might need us for future work so they're stringing us along. Although I think our past contributions were useful, I'm not sure our future ones will be.

[STEvil]

where did they say we have finished the data?

If you are talking about running it more than once to verify that each peice of data was done correctly, then that pretty normal.

[Rodzilla]

where did they say we have finished the data?

If you are talking about running it more than once to verify that each peice of data was done correctly, then that pretty normal.
Ditto...

It also serves to cut down the candidates that need to be tested in a wet lab down from say 10k to 1k... numbers aren't exact... but you get the idea.

[caLume]

think we are rollin` as before, am i right? :up:

[Rodzilla]

think we are rollin` as before, am i right? :up:

close... we were at 44 -45K/day... still off pace by 5K... This is the first real slow down of the entire project :(

[jjcom]

I'm throwing the laptop back onto D2OL. F@H wasn't doing very much on it for some reason...just clocked too low maybe? Anyway, It's doing D2OL again, so that's an xtra 20 aday maybe :)

jjcom

[Entity_Razer]

throwing in a dedicated P3 500 next week and beginning of june or something I'm throwing in a DX 1.6 GHZ rig (C1 stepping) most likly, after the Uwire mod it'll run @ 2.3 or 2.4 Ghz
:toast: :toast: :toast:

[trakslacker]

hopefully gonna add a 3200+ Newcastle rig to the effort this thursday.

We just gotta keep on keepin' on....

[jjcom]

I figured out how to make the rig in my basement turn on by itself...:D maybe I'll have it power on at 7:30am, then it'll go off around 10pm...my main desktop will be on from sometime betweek 7:50am to 9am then to 10pm. The laptop will be going from about 3:30pm to 10pm

[Bennah]

Good to hear that guys. More nodes the better.

I dont know what to make about the whole D2OL situation.

I'l just concentrate on getting some candidates completed for the team ;)

[jahjahbinks]

:( So should everyone switch over to the XS F@H team? If this is truly a "dead" project and they are not using the information we crunch, what's the point?

All these machines we have crunching is worthless if the data is not being used!

So that's why DPC slowed down their daily crunch?

Time for me to find another project, I ain't wasting 600 cad a day of electricity for nothing. :(

[bullet2urbrain]

reallY?

thats not good to read JahJah... were not wasting it.. were helping mankind in same way or form and were #2.. going for #1.. we can take out the cows.. but we need people like you to help us.

[shmaa]

cows slowed down because they are already #1 in this project... but not in other projects... makes since huh?... trust me they are still buffering behind the scenes

[jahjahbinks]

All right, I will help you guys take out the cows.

[ronbo54]

Well, they've finally started to advertise for a Computational Chemist/Programmer for D2OL/TSC. Hopefully the project will get some new life in it.