12 Pipe X800 Series Owners

[jellybeard999]

What sort of scores are you getting in 03 ?

I made a slightly overclocked preliminary run on my x800 and got just over 10k .... updating constantly tho...

[gatt767]

This is my bench for my X800Pro. No overclocking, just default speeds!

[gatt767]

Come on X800 Series Card Owners let show what our 12 Pipeline GPU can deliver!

[jpharg]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3828220

13478


P43.4E DO @4.119/X800Pro@600/575
2x512 3200 PQI Tubo LL 242@2.5-3-3-5 2.8v
74g Raptor
OCZ 520w Powerstream
Internally Watercooling the cpu and gpu with DangerDen maze4 & rbx

[RAMMAN]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3751939

couldnt quite get 12k.sorry for having the name of another forum on it, but you did ask for it...

[Disposibleteen]

ill post mine up when i get home from work its been a long time since i benched 03, ive been concentrating on 01 since i got a new CPU

[gatt767]

How thus this card compares to the 6800GT? Because I took the impression that this was ATI answer to the Nvidia Rival (before buying a month ago at quite a high price). From the several reviews that I saw, if they are any good at all and correct, the ATI X800 Series seems to start stretching its legs and show it strengths when AA and other gizmos is switched on at high res! Is this true?

[jellybeard999]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3932258

need some volts to the core methinks... mem too maybe... and my maze4 putting on

[Gautam]

http://home.comcast.net/~gautamb/3d03.JPG

[gatt767]

Very good timings Gautam, those are quite high! what are you doing to reach those speeds? Are you modding on air, Water Cooling? How far can i clock mine using the stock heatsink that came with the card?
People look at this review, it seems to me that the X800 Pro is even faster then the ultra? Can't understand this as all other benchmarks within this forum and others seems to favour the 6800 Ultra

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/6800x800pro/testsystem.htm

[RAMMAN]

that score from gautam is actually one of the top 20 X800pro 3dmark01 scores on the orb i checked :toast: pity his memory artifacts over 580mhz or he could be no.1 ;) .

[Gautam]

Meh, I'll settle for #1 in 03, 05 and Aquamark for now. ;) I'm 9th in 01, but every score above me is on phase change and most of them are 16 pipe modded as well.

The memory is a bugger. Does only about 530ish with stock timings. I gain 50MHz by changing the TRP to 6. Card is just GPU modded to about 1.58v. It doesn't like anything higher. Too lazy to do mem mod yet. It's air cooled with a heatsink from the P3 days, an Alpha PAL6035 and 60mm Delta clone.

I hit about 570-580 on the stock heatsink without modding. Some people have reported success with modding the card while on the stock heatsink, but I'm not sure if mine would get much headroom as it starts to get whiny past 1.6v even on much beefier cooling. I hit 12.5k on the stock heatsink IIRC. Probably could do 13 now if I wanted to.

01 and 05 favor the ATi cards pretty heavily. The 6800Ultra usually doesn't have much of a chance even against an X800Pro. In 05, the Pro with 12 pipes scores about even with the 6800Ultra with 16. That review is very old. Since then, both nVidia and ATi have drastically optimized their drivers. It's sort of a mixed bag, but I'd reckon that the Ultra would inch ahead of the X800Pro in most cases. Probably not enough to notice though.

[arcane613]

Meh, I'll settle for #1 in 03, 05 and Aquamark for now. ;) I'm 9th in 01, but every score above me is on phase change and most of them are 16 pipe modded as well.

The memory is a bugger. Does only about 530ish with stock timings. I gain 50MHz by changing the TRP to 6. Card is just GPU modded to about 1.58v. It doesn't like anything higher. Too lazy to do mem mod yet. It's air cooled with a heatsink from the P3 days, an Alpha PAL6035 and 60mm Delta clone.

I hit about 570-580 on the stock heatsink without modding. Some people have reported success with modding the card while on the stock heatsink, but I'm not sure if mine would get much headroom as it starts to get whiny past 1.6v even on much beefier cooling. I hit 12.5k on the stock heatsink IIRC. Probably could do 13 now if I wanted to.

01 and 05 favor the ATi cards pretty heavily. The 6800Ultra usually doesn't have much of a chance even against an X800Pro. In 05, the Pro with 12 pipes scores about even with the 6800Ultra with 16. That review is very old. Since then, both nVidia and ATi have drastically optimized their drivers. It's sort of a mixed bag, but I'd reckon that the Ultra would inch ahead of the X800Pro in most cases. Probably not enough to notice though.

very impressive scores u got for 12 pipes.

[gatt767]

I don't want to start modding before the warranty period pass for my card. I have bought the X800 Pro from Malta at the price of $466, and was ordered specifically for me, cause other shops who stock these cards are selling them for the price of $580.

I think now you can imagine why i am taking care of my new pet so much! I have tried to order this card from UK and none wanted to send this card by mail. While from the US, the posting, insurances would have costed a few bucks less! So I took the plunge and bought it locally, at least I am covered by the Lacal store Warranty!

Currently I'm playing both far cry and HL2 maxed up with all gizmos switched on, at least its giving me back some great frames per second! Let see how it goes with new generations of games!

[gatt767]

This is my benchmark for 3DMark05, no modding, just increased mem timing from 450 to 496Mhz (cannot understand why the mem is clocked at lower speeds when the mem used is supposed to run at 1Ghz) and upped the GPU from 475 to 495 Mhz with ATI tool. Rest all default settings! I seems very demanding for my card and setup. Are the results ok or on the Low side?


Thanks

[Gautam]

That looks fine for the speeds you're running. Don't stop now. :)

[gatt767]

Waiting for more results, come on any more Extreme 3D Mark benchmarks? For this GPU!

[Gavinni]

X800 Pro 12 pipe with ATI Silencer 4 core was at 1.53v
http://img129.echo.cx/img129/5388/host9vu.jpg
Unfortunately I killed her by messing up a soldering mod T_T sent it to viper john to see if he could fix but unfortunately no. So now I bought a 6600GT to tide me over til the R520 comes out. R.I.P. sweet card.

[Gautam]

Excellent clocks Gavinni! Sorry for your loss, that card was clearly a winner.

[gatt767]

Very good results, this card can really unleash some good benchmarks when tweaked and modded to the limits!

[RAMMAN]

gautam is no.1 in 03.there are two X800pro benchers with scores better than his in 05, but with their lower gpu clocks i detect the sick smell of 16 pipes.in 01 he,s 9th alright, with codered at no.1 with 37k and shamino/landarse a few places behind with their X800pro score.

and you know what? one of overklokk,s old X800pro benches is only 5 points ahead of my current highest 3dmark05 score on page 110 on the orb.how annoying.

[Snowman89]

is there a pencil mod to the x800 256mb card?
im thinking of buying one for 280dollar new

[Gautam]

Yeah, just pencil on the R1597 resistor.

Made it to 14k (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3936353)

[Mehmet_Ali]

Yeah, just pencil on the R1597 resistor.

Made it to 14k (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3936353)

Awesome score :slobber:

[gatt767]

WOW 14K its amazing!!!!!! This card seems that it can easily compete with the daddies even with default settings; I've seen some posts of the rival Nvidia at default speeds that are quite similar with a 16 Pipeline architecture!

[Gautam]

Yeah, this card destroys the X800XL's in 3DMark and is pretty much even with the GT in 03. In 05 and 01 though, the X800Pro dominates anything short of the X800XT's; even 6800 Ultras.

[gatt767]

I have added this card to the X800Pro to keep it cool, seems great, no need to remove any heatsinks etc. just install the card in the slot under, and the card is cooled down!

http://www.vantecusa.com/pdf/spfc70bl.pdf

[Disposibleteen]

i cant even seem to break 11k with my X800 pro, i know im using P4 but cmon, this thing had got to have more left in it. Stats in sig and only hitting a little over 10k.

[gatt767]

Disposibleteen, I have just increased the clocks to 500Mhz and the Ram to 1 ghz and i nearly touched the 11k with 10952 benchmark, else all default settings no clocking, with your clock rates, you should surely get better timings! Are giving 3dMark a high priority within the task manager, while running?

[Disposibleteen]

im going to do some more benching tonight, 3dmark gets highest priority and i shut down everything including explorer.exe. ima go bench a little brb with scores.

[gatt767]

Disposibleteen, any news about your benchmarking?

[gatt767]

Got some new timing upped the core to 505Mhz and RAM 505 Mhz aswell, Fan speed set to max on Fan Card.

[Disposibleteen]

Disposibleteen, any news about your benchmarking?
yea sorry about the delay, i was hardcore tired last night so i just crashed.

I only got 10563 in 3d03, i dont get it these seem ultra low to me, maybe im wrong but i thought a 3.8 P4 and x800 pro with decent clocks would hit higher than this.

[gatt767]

I'm sure it can, what about other components? Are you using latest drivers for the mainboard, latest bios, good settings within the bios? I am not clocking anything except for the Video card. What about that RAM? What are the timmings on that RAM that you are using?

[Disposibleteen]

this is some crappy ram (ill be getting some nice ocz 4800 when i can afford it). i run it at a 5:4 splitter with the timings of 2.5-3-3-7 i have all the latest drivers for everything, what do you mean by good settings in the bios.

[gatt767]

I've seen a thread were it states that there must be particular settings within the bios to optimise ATI Readeon Cards.

[jellybeard999]

Got some new timing upped the core to 505Mhz and RAM 505 Mhz aswell, Fan speed set to max on Fan Card.

11060 you say ;)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3932258

439/565

need volt mod, pelt and waterblock to go on yet :toast: plus fresh windows 2000 install for my benching disk... (pap 4gig maxtor)

[Disposibleteen]

I've seen a thread were it states that there must be particular settings within the bios to optimise ATI Readeon Cards.
links?? I wanna volt mod this card soon, maybe that will help.

[Gautam]

Nice stuff folks. Try upping the tRP in ATiTool to either 6 or 7. Should net you about 50MHz higher on your memory speed. Helps up to about 600-620MHz, then the latency starts taking a hit.

[gatt767]

Disposibleteen, check this out may be it will be of some help

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=121317

[Disposibleteen]

Nice stuff folks. Try upping the tRP in ATiTool to either 6 or 7. Should net you about 50MHz higher on your memory speed. Helps up to about 600-620MHz, then the latency starts taking a hit.
tried that, i have my mem timing optimized with eshbah's timings, i gained a few mhz but not much.

[dexx]

I have a x800pro pcie in my DFI rig and an x800xtpe in my abit rig. CPU in both is winchester running at 280x9. memory is corsair xms @ 233MHz 2.5-3-3-7. The pro is clocked at 580/550 and the xtpe is 520/560. In 3d2001 both systems score the same - 27400. In 3d2003 the xtpe is a little ahead at 12700 compared with 12400 for the pro. I only see a real difference when i up the res and/or AA. Running 3d2003 at 1280x1024 with 4AA scores 7000 on the xtpe and 6100 on the pro.

Heres a good review with some useful comparison
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/rx800-3.html

[perkam]

I have a x800pro pcie in my DFI rig and an x800xtpe in my abit rig. CPU in both is winchester running at 280x9. memory is corsair xms @ 233MHz 2.5-3-3-7. The pro is clocked at 580/550 and the xtpe is 520/560. In 3d2001 both systems score the same - 27400. In 3d2003 the xtpe is a little ahead at 12700 compared with 12400 for the pro. I only see a real difference when i up the res and/or AA. Running 3d2003 at 1280x1024 with 4AA scores 7000 on the xtpe and 6100 on the pro.

Heres a good review with some useful comparison
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/rx800-3.html

Wow nice PRo you have there ;) Though the drop in perf when using AA is to be expected...AA/AF is instantly affected by no. of pipelines...hence a close score between a pro and an X800XL in 05, but when you turn on AA, more than a 20% difference...

Though most dont bench with AA ;), but real world perf is affected by it...so it IS important.

Perkam

[gatt767]

Any new scores ???

[Gautam]

I got this in 01...it's now the 2nd place 12 pipe score to Bowman's

http://home.comcast.net/~gautamb/3dmark.JPG

[Snowman89]

how does the new x800 perform to the x800pro, the new x800 has the xl core at 400/700 12pipes vs 475/850 ? is the regular x800 worth buying for 250dollars? i have a x700pro that oc the worst and a x800xl is like 400dollars here in sweden

[gatt767]

The X800 is a good card, its basically a 12 Pipe architecture with lower timings. For that Price I think its good. With some oc you can surely obtain some good benchmarks! At lower res, its comparable to a 6600GT, it will start to show its potential when running at high res and AA and other gizmos switched on.

[Snowman89]

The X800 is a good card, its basically a 12 Pipe architecture with lower timings. For that Price I think its good. With some oc you can surely obtain some good benchmarks! At lower res, its comparable to a 6600GT, it will start to show its potential when running at high res and AA and other gizmos switched on.
ok then if i can choose between a 128mb or 256mb is it wort the extra 50bucks?
is there any chanse unlocking a regular x800? is it ust to do a bios flash, what if i dont work, black screen?
any links for pencil vmod to a x800?

[Snowman89]

is there any chance today to unlock a x800pro vivo pci e to full 16pipes?
1/10- 1/100?
for 50dollar more than a x800 256mb i can get a x800pro vivo pci e brand new, so what to go for?

[gatt767]

Go for the 256 MB card, as regards to the VIVO PCie im not sure if it can be unlocked or not, but I have read somewhere else that they had difficulty with unlocking the pipes, cause ATI have disbaled or locked the pipes in a new way!

[Barr3l Rid3r]

Maybe not...

Original GT bios @1.3V
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3925517

Ak350 (Silver + nickel plated) + Delta 60mm

@452/1150Mhz

http://img192.echo.cx/img192/3609/gpu6800gt3ns.jpg


fotinhas da 6800Gt

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/7427/6800gt1l7hq.jpg
http://img229.echo.cx/img229/6301/6800gt2l9he.jpg

[Gautam]

GT's are much faster than X800 Pros in 3DMark03, what's your point?

Try 3DMark01 and 3DMark05 how about.

Nice looking card though.

[Barr3l Rid3r]

GT's are much faster than X800 Pros in 3DMark03, what's your point?

Try 3DMark01 and 3DMark05 how about.

Nice looking card though.

3DMark05 is pretty close, but I still far away from your 3DMark01 score...660Mhz is a pretty stupid clock.

[sang]

another trp6 run;genuine BBA ES Pro@ 16pipes;20 MHz mem increase
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8516947

AIR :)

[Gautam]

Yep, I saw your score up in the top 5 X800Pros along with myself :D. Very nice work, although I dunno if 14C ambient should count as "air" ;). Then again I sorta cheated too with an air conditioner.

Wish I had 16 pipes to make up that 1500 point difference. :(

[sang]

is there any chance today to unlock a x800pro vivo pci e to full 16pipes?
1/10- 1/100?
for 50dollar more than a x800 256mb i can get a x800pro vivo pci e brand new, so what to go for?

Viper John answered me some time ago,about a similar problem:

"It's not the card maker as Sapphire builds almost all of the Pro Vivo's anyway regardless of
the brand on the box. That includes 50% of the BbATI cards too. It is when the card was built.

Before the x800XT 500/500 cards existed the ProVivo's could get some pretty good cores that
didn't quite meet XT-PE speed bin spec's. With the advent of the 500/500 XT cards they get
those decent core the Pro Vivo used to. The Pro Vivo's now are getting the cores that can not
be used on the 500/500 XT cards and a good 50% of those will probabbly have a defective
pipe and a hard on die disabled quad because of that.

John"


all the credits goes to John Hillig aka Viper John

Thanks again,John :toast:

[sang]

Yep, I saw your score up in the top 5 X800Pros along with myself :D. Very nice work, although I dunno if 14C ambient should count as "air" ;). Then again I sorta cheated too with an air conditioner.

Wish I had 16 pipes to make up that 1500 point difference. :(


yeah,but twilius_basic got us by far...his DI on sk754 its awesome.Im so upset my 3400+ died.

[gatt767]

Barr3l Rid3r, I think you have posted in the wrong thread ;-). That A64 3000@2780Mhz seems to be on steroids, still thats a nice card that you have.

[StrikeRTM]

X800 ViVos from Saphire can be modded into X800XT Platinum. Were bought at newegg.com . 3 from 3 cards modded successfully, one could be equiped with a voltmod... :woot:

Allthough those 3 cards were bought a while ago, so I have no idea what the situation is now. But it's definatly worth the shot, considering 12 -> 16 pipes :D XT PT ViVO.

[gatt767]

Yes its a worth upgade on the vivo edition, while the standard X800 Pro card have to be hard modded! Still i am quite happy with the results cause currently im playing DOOm3, and FarCry set to the max with all gizmos enabled !

[Snowman89]

any one has any results from the powercolor x800 12pipes DDR1??
found one really cheap so im thinking of buying one IF they dont have 2.8ns or something like that, ddr1 uhhhh

[gatt767]

The slow ram would surely effect performance!

[Snowman89]

The slow ram would surely effect performance!
why?
the only diffrent between ddr3 and ddr1 is that ddr3 gets colder at the same speeds and can do higher mhz

[mike]

Are the Voltage mods and voltage reading points on the PCI-E version the same as on a AGP?
My X800 PRO VIVO runs 621/589 on stock cooling with stock voltage. It is a refurbished card maybe the previous owner did some pencil...need to check that.

With a 172Watts pelt it benched @ 680/599 3DMark05 6756

EDIT: checked the GPU voltage : it is 1.39VDC
Would those mods be correct for the PCI-E ? http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/voltmods/112

[gatt767]

Whats is the speed of the RAM? The chip that its is installed on my power color card has the following specs:

Samsung chips (GDDR3), 2.0ns access time which corresponds to 500 (1000) MHz; 450(900)-MHz memory frequency, 475-MHz GPU frequency, 256-bit memory bus.

Whats the access time? I have another card an X600XT which uses DDR1, and the RAM is rated to go max 300Mhz (600) Mhz, both core and ram on this card are mid to below spec.

[neoman]

Some nice scores here :)

[mike]

on all 3 X800 Pro Vivo PCI-Es that I tested so far - all of them had 2.0ns
I my case the latencies were all stock

[gatt767]

lets continue posting more scores and see what are the limits of this classic chipset!