15k stock in 03...What are the reqs ??

[perkam]

Pretty self explanatory. In searching for a rig that's futureproof, seeing as how even a 15k in 01 is sufficient (barely) for todays games...and seeing as how 05 is WAY too gpu dependent. I wanted to know what combination of hardware can give 15k marks in 03, with stock cpu AND stock gpu.

This my no means is too strict, a 14.9 with stock cpu and gpu is admissable. Yes I can try to do this at Futuremark but there are so many configurations I'd get confused without any conclusive info.

So thats my question, 15k how ? right now...Is an fx-55/EE along with an xtpe/Ultra the only way ????

EDIT: Raptor brings up a good point...I forgot to mention, single cpu/gpu solution would be nice...though you can recommend dual cores as much as you want :p: And I'd continue to :slobber: over my desk :D

Perkam

[RaptorRaider]

Are you sure that 3dmark05 is more GPU dependant than 3dmark03?
I would agree that as the actual score gets higher, the CPU is getting a larger bottleneck; yet I think that if you compare same scores you'll see that 3dmark03 is more GPU dependant than 3dmark05.

Just some guesses though. ;)


SLI should do it easily though.

[Sucka]

My FX-55 at 3232MHz with a modestly overclocked x850 XT on stock cooling (600/600) barly breaks 15K, so that isn't your answer. SLI would get you mush closer.

[perkam]

Actually its a pretty well known fact the small change in marks in 05 from cpu overclocks. 3dmark03 still responds with a couple of thousands, 05 does not.

As edited before, no mention of mvp/sli please as that's not what I'm asking ;)

Perkam

[Jasonxxx]

Well I run a 4000+ @2800mhz w/ 6800ultra @475/1250mhz and only get ~14600 in 3DMark 03....

I would assume you would have to use SLI to run at stock speeds.....

[Vapor]

I don't think any single card at stock clocks with pretty much ANY processor (even a 3.6GHz FX55) can hit 15k.

[zakelwe]

r520+sandiego 3700+ bh5 memory would be a good bet for a nice rig that would do that sort of performance ( if not a fair bit more ). Will play DX7 / 8 and 9 games fine.

Regards

Andy

[bachus_anonym]

If SLI is out of question, then there's no setup at the moment that can get you 15k in 3DM03 @ stock CPU/GPU speeds :D

I barely broke 15k on air with:

Winchester 2000MHz @ 2760MHz
2x256MB BH-5 DDR400 @ DDR552 (276MHz)
X800XTPE 520/560 @ 621/621

[perkam]

Dang....

Ty for the responses guys. Had no idea even an insanely overclock XT PE along with a 3ghz+ FX would barely break it :(

So nex gen is the way to then for 15k with one card eh :( My biggest fear is nex gen cards are gonna be quite expensive relatively. And though I might be able to get the marks I need with mvp/sli, its not a permanent solution in my mind, cos the two cards will ultimately get outdated, not to mention they'd cost more together than a nex gen card.

I was hoping to focus on the cpu seeing as how the gpu will HAVE to be nex gen to achieve this...but it just seems unreal that a rig with an on air score of 35k+ cant get 15k in 03 :(

EDIT: Though judging from the people who responded it seems 15k in 03 is almost the same as 7k in 05, which puts it in a better perspective.

Perkam

[Kanavit]

nVidia geforce 6800 sli x2 would give you that with an A64 fx 55 processor and nVidia Nforce 4 ultra chipset.

[harleybro]

My 4000+ @ 2800 and 850XT @ 605/601 hits 14,668 no real tweaks done though

[twilius_basic]

Dang....

Ty for the responses guys. Had no idea even an insanely overclock XT PE along with a 3ghz+ FX would barely break it :(

Perkam

Well it ain't quite THAT hard, my air-cooled 754 Claw and X800 XT breaks 15K. Point is that without SLI you won't get 15K with STOCK speeds ATM.

[grimREEFER]

gainward golden sample glh 6600gt's in sli will get u in the high 14k's or even 15k if u experiment with different drivers.

[Grov]

yeah doubt stock 15 single card will happen.

I only just mage 15k on my XTPE at 665/634 and Claw at 2600mhz. probly my crap CPU speed and tweaks.

[IvanAndreevich]

R520 will probably be above 20K in '03.

[t-max]

To bad you wont go for SLI, it rocksss and would easyli bring you 15K

[macci]

Gigabytes Dual-6600GT (meaning two 6600GPUs on one card) gets around 14.5k stock w/ stock 4000+ A64..
So w/ FX55 it would be quite close to 15k with no overclocking.

[IvanAndreevich]

Sure, but it's real-game performance with AA&AF @ high res sucks real bad.

[M.Beier]

Think its possible...

FX55 or weaker..

But... x850XTPE with OVERCLOCK mem... And VDD...

~ 2600mhz @ CPU, stock - 540mhz @ gpu, stock - gfx-mem 560@700/750 at least :P

- 12k

BTW: I get 15k with winchester at 2654 mhz... - GFX x850XT at 588 / 615mhz.. :|

[Apocalipsis]

15K on 03 stock clocks? mmmmm, in my opinion the best option is to get a cheap cpu with a modest overlock, say a 3000+ winnie at 2400-2500mhz (easy) and save for dual 6800GT (there are some GT's not too expensive), you will be in the 20K and way cheaper than FX + any other single card.

Just an idea.

[perkam]

Gigabytes Dual-6600GT (meaning two 6600GPUs on one card) gets around 14.5k stock w/ stock 4000+ A64..
So w/ FX55 it would be quite close to 15k with no overclocking.

LOL First Opp then Macci :eek: They're all going SLI lol. Nice to hear from you macci. If I wanted sli/amr, I would have said so....Its quite apparent from my countless visits at the orb that sli can do wonders in 03 and 05, but a one card solution at 15k (which is my opinion is actually rather modest), is my definition of what constitutes futureproof.

Perhaps then my defintion itself is flawed :confused: Is 14k or lower all u need then????

Perkam

[macci]

If I wanted sli/amr, I would have said so....
I know what you meant and the gigabyte thingy is a single card w/ two GPUs - so not exactly an SLI solution :)

http://www.gigabyte.co.jp/nippon/3d1/3d1-s.jpg

But like already mentioned its not very good in every game.

[M.Beier]

macci, hmm... Dont go SLI :P - Single VPU 'till R520's ready :)

- wuhuuu, my lamest post and nr.100 as well... well nearly 7'o'clock in the morning, better go to bed :P

- 12k

[don_vercetti]

i think that 15k is aiming rather high. There's no way you'll get a single stock card today that can hit that. TBH, assuming that you want gaming, then just get an x800xt pe or 6800ultra GLH, those are pretty much the fastest money can buy ATM, short of SLI (not very upgradeable though).

I assume you're still using that 9600? If i were you, keep that, until the r520 or g70 comes out, then get them ASAP and that will be seriously future proof. Only way, really. Look how the old high ends (x800xt and 6800u) have held their ground, for nearly a year, not really being outclassed at all. Same happened in the 9800 days, and the same may well happen for the future.

[perkam]

I know what you meant and the gigabyte thingy is a single card w/ two GPUs - so not exactly an SLI solution :)

http://www.gigabyte.co.jp/nippon/3d1/3d1-s.jpg

But like already mentioned its not very good in every game.

LOL Srry, Macci...My bad. Forgot about those entirely :bows: . I guess I should have been more specific. I guess I meant Non-Multi-gpu.

But that's besides the point now...I was just thinking....maybe i should try asking about 40k...with "ok" cooling...

I mean, would a water cooled FX-55 at 3.1/3.2 along with an X850XT/XTPE be enough for 40k then ???

I know this is a shift from the 15k in 03 at stock...but the thread still has the same purpose, to establish a standard for getting a certain score :)

Thx in advance.

Perkam

[M.Beier]

A 3.2 ghz FX55 cant reach 40.000 unless your runnig XTREMELY high speeds @ memory... - Futher it requirres quite some tweaking skills to do...

But 15k in 03 is possible with that setup, but not guranteed.... The thing is 03 mainly cares about GFX... And on win64 (gives a bit higher scores in 05 and 03 - about 200 marks more)... I have to run my gfx at 591/620 or such to acheive 15000+ in 3Dmark2003... :) - And my gfx cant do that on stock..I use watercooling - but havnt done any vmods yet..

[HiJon89]

To break 15K I needed a 3.2C at 3.9 and an X800 at 660/579:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3646867
Changing the 3.2C to an FX-55 would up the score a lot but you still won't get to 15K with an X850 or X800 at stock.

For 40K you'd probably need an FX-55 at 3.3 and an X800/X850 at 690/630, if you up the GPU clocks obviously you would need less CPU and vice versa.

[Gorod]

15K is no problem for Venice + GOOD , watercooled 6800GT :D :


Athlon64/3105 MHz , 345x9.0 , 1.76V , HTT x3 , Venice 3000+ , S939
Vapochill LS
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum , nForce3 Ultra , BIOS 1.8Mod
OCZ DDR Booster Rev.2
2x512Mb , Dual Chanel , 259MHz @ Cas 2.0-2-2-8-1T @ 3.7V
OCZ VX4000, Dual Chanel Kit , Winbond UTT
GeForce 6800GT , 256Mb , LeadTek A400GT TDH , 1.3V , unmoded , watercooled with iced water , 487/1280MHz , FW 71.89 , LOD +3
OCZ ModStream 520W PSU

3DMark03 : 15661 :woot:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3946586

[M.Beier]

#29

correct... But stock speed it is ;) - Stock is NONE-Overclocked... :\