AMD Turion 64 2800+ First Look!!

[tristancarton]

now that's what i like to see.

2300 at 1.184. 2700 at 1.48 volts. :D

now, all we have to do is wait.

http://www.coolaler.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=48113

[Fzero]

wow nice clocks it seems to be like the venice chips that have bin review :)

[i found nemo]

i was thinking of talking my g/f into buying me this chip for our 2 yr anneversery and she would probably do it, however i need to know what site plzzz show me the light lmao

[Fzero]

sorry dont think there out yet :(

[i found nemo]

d'oh then why are prices for them set on the amd websites???

[Fzero]

truthfully i cant anwser that LOL but i havent seen them anywhere i look all over to newegg gameve ZZF monarch sperco excaliber maybe somone els can help better sorry :(

[i found nemo]

hope so, cuz i got her in a good mood, dunno how long i can keep this door opening up and other things of that nature lol

[frostedflakes]

Looks promising. What board was being used?

[reject]

that was the ML-37, whether the T range scales this high but with lower voltage is yet to be seen. but theres hope
i hope i can be the first to try with phase :D

[Vandi423]

I just got word that I can get my hands on these Turions:


TMDML30BKX5LD
TMDML34BKX5LD
TMDML37BKX5LD
TMSMT30BQX5LD
TMSMT34BQX5LD

Had I known earlier I could have had them as early as Tomorrow. But now if I were to order they would be here on Monday.

So this means that Newegg and other places should have them in about a week of so!

[ozzimark]

Looks promising. What board was being used?
agreed. i'm hoping it's not some custom made one for turion :stick:

Vandi423: awesome. hopefully the new 3700+ mobile will hit retail soon too. it's gonna be an exciting week

[tristancarton]

Vandi, awesome. thanks for the heads up. anyway you can post here when you see the s754 3700 mobile 90nm e stepping at your distributors? (the one that was just announced. not the 130nm dtr)

i am doing my best to decide what i should buy and what will overclock the highest.(should i choose by voltage or speed? what is the actual binning procedure at amd?)

what do you guys think: (which will be best for overclocking)

turion MT-34 1.8 Ghz 1mb cache 25W (90nm e stepping)*
turion ML-37 2.0 Ghz 1mb cache 35W (90nm e stepping)
a64 mobile 3700 mobile (not dtr) 2.4Ghz 1mb cache (90nm e stepping)

* right now my choice but i really don't like the idea of a 9x multiplier. the 12x on the 3700 mobile (as long as the chip is made on the same process as the turion) would be much better.(or even a 10x on the ML)

[reject]

9x multi is fine if you have a dfi, i assume dfi casue its the best by far :D
the board can got to 450+ fsb only the cpu limits

[afireinside]

Think 3.5-3.6 on DIce is a reality? :D

[Grov]

http://www.coolaler.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=48113

Hmm not bad. it is the 3700 though so who knows, im not expecting that much. Depends how pricey they are.

[Vandi423]

I will have:

3 TMSMT34BQX5LD

AND

1 TMDML37BKX5LD

In my hands on Monday Morning.

[ozzimark]

hehe, lucky fr0stedflakes

just out of curiosity though, is it confirmed that they work on any desktop mobo?

[perkam]

Let's not forget how much these are going to cost:

35W Models
AMD Turion 64 ML-37 2.0Ghz, 1MB $354
AMD Turion 64 ML-34 1.8Ghz, 1MB $263
AMD Turion 64 ML-32 1.8Ghz, 512K $220
AMD Turion 64 ML-30 1.6Ghz, 1MB $184

25W Models
AMD Turion 64 MT-34 1.8Ghz, 1MB $268
AMD Turion 64 MT-32 1.8Ghz, 512K $225
AMD Turion 64 MT-30 1.6Ghz, 1MB $189

Perkam

[ozzimark]

for comparison's sake:
AMD Mobile Athlon64 3700+ 2.4Ghz, 1MB $336
:toast:

[Vandi423]

for comparison's sake:
AMD Mobile Athlon64 3700+ 2.4Ghz, 1MB $336
:toast:

Yea and AMA3700BEX5AR is 81.5W!!!!!!!!!!

[tristancarton]

vandi you seem to be confused by the difference between the 3700 .13 dtr (which has been out for a long time) and the newly released 3700 .09 mobile chip (sse3, e stepping) that was announced on the 15th. the 3700 90nm sse3 will have much lower power consumption than the dtr.

ozzi is mentioning the newer one that will not carry this AMA3700BEX5AR marking.

Yea and AMA3700BEX5AR is 81.5W!!!!!!!!!!

[Vandi423]

tristancarton, ozzimark

Please excuse my ignorance. I most humbly apologize. I should have read instead of just looked. :D

I seriously did not know which he was refering to the future Mobile A64s.

AMA3700BEX5AR = 81.5W
AMN3700BIX5AR = 62W <--- Not going to see that one. :slap:

Sorry guys!

[ozzimark]

it's quite all right. and actually, that opn for the 3700+ mobile is still technically wrong. i don't know what it will be, due to the fact that amd is mixing up the OPN's for the new cores a bit. i would suspect something like:

AMN3700B*5BN

star cause i don't know voltage. i'm suspecting 1.35 or 1.3, but if the opn stays consistant with venice/san diego, i have no idea.. mostly because they're too lazy and still haven't updated the tech docs since last year.

[Vandi423]

Vandi, awesome. thanks for the heads up. anyway you can post here when you see the s754 3700 mobile 90nm e stepping at your distributors? (the one that was just announced. not the 130nm dtr)

i am doing my best to decide what i should buy and what will overclock the highest.(should i choose by voltage or speed? what is the actual binning procedure at amd?)

what do you guys think: (which will be best for overclocking)

turion MT-34 1.8 Ghz 1mb cache 25W (90nm e stepping)*
turion ML-37 2.0 Ghz 1mb cache 35W (90nm e stepping)
a64 mobile 3700 mobile (not dtr) 2.4Ghz 1mb cache (90nm e stepping)

* right now my choice but i really don't like the idea of a 9x multiplier. the 12x on the 3700 mobile (as long as the chip is made on the same process as the turion) would be much better.(or even a 10x on the ML)

tristancarton= Sorry I missed this post. (That's what I get for not reading)
I would be more than happy to post when the 90nm A64s arrive. They must be atleast a whole month away because they still don't even show up in the parts database. So far only these old variants still appear:

AMN----BIX5AR= 62W

I imagine that the 90nm version will have a lower output. As far as Turions not working on desktop Mobos I will find out on Monday. I currently have 2 K8V-SE's sitting on the floor in their new boxes (Got them for free). I don't have any heat sinks for A64s with no heat spreader and have ZERO experience. Pointers anyone? I might be able to convert some special 1U Opteron heat sinks.... That would be enough for the 25W but will it be too heavy?

[ozzimark]

which heatsinks do you have? some of them, it's possible to just bend the mounting bracket to apply more force on the heatsink.

and just out of curiosity, what is this parts database you're looking at?
amd just announced the 90nm mobile, so i wouldn't expect it to show up quite yet.. i'm hoping for soon, but as long as it turns up in major retailers by the end of may, i'll be all right :toast:

[Vandi423]

it's quite all right. and actually, that opn for the 3700+ mobile is still technically wrong. i don't know what it will be, due to the fact that amd is mixing up the OPN's for the new cores a bit. i would suspect something like:

AMN3700B*5BN

star cause i don't know voltage. i'm suspecting 1.35 or 1.3, but if the opn stays consistant with venice/san diego, i have no idea.. mostly because they're too lazy and still haven't updated the tech docs since last year.

AMN3700BIX5AR = 62W <--- Not going to see that one.
Actually, I meant this to be a hypothetical 130nm which I don’t' see how it could be "economically" feasible as the 90nm parts were announced. I have no idea what the 90nm OPN numbers will look like but your guess is logical. :) I wonder if they fired the guy who updated the Tech docs. :confused:

ozzimark: I special ordered the heatsinks for a 1U dual Opteron server. They're made of copper and are screwed into the board (no clips or mech.). I'll check it out this weekend.

The parts database is one maintained for resellers and usually show parts for products about a month before they become available. Sometimes even earlier.

[frostedflakes]

The Opteron heatsinks should work if they screw in. Just be careful. With these small 90nm dies especially, it's easy to chip the core during heatsink installation. If you can, use some foam pads like on the AthlonXPs. This will help stabilize the heatsink while you're installing it. The risk of chipping the core with bolt on heatsinks is much less than clip on ones if you're careful, but I'd still recommend using pads. For a $250+ investment, you can never be too careful. Tighten screws alternatively, doing a turn for one, then the other, back and forth.

I really don't know how much success you'll have with the ASUS boards. Give it a try though and let us know if they work. Make sure you've updated to the most recent BIOS before installing the Turion. Also, it may help to "force" settings in the BIOS. By this I mean boot up with another A64 and set the BIOS to the appropriate voltage, speed, etc. for Turion, save to CMOS, then install the Turion. Also keep in mind that with a new revision comes a new memory controller. I had a heck of a time getting my Oakville to work in my board when I first got it. Turns out that the D0 memory controller didn't like having the RAM in slot 1, although this wasn't a problem for my desktop Newcastle. So as a last resort you may try switching the memory around, as they can be picky about module placement.

Good luck. I should hopefully have an MT-34 late next week, and will let everyone know if the DFI board is compatible with it.

[reject]

AMD Turion 64 MT-30 1.6Ghz, 1MB $189
that one excites me as well as
the 3700+ mobile 90nm

[i found nemo]

no word on release dates.....? anyways that 1.6 with 8x excites me aswell, i've tested and KNOW my mobo will do 400 fsb stable so 8 * 400 = 3200mhz and that SHOULD kill most pentiums out there...right?

but tha's IF the chip will do it

[Rabbi_NZ]

Hi Vandi423,
do you have any more Turions available & do you know how much they will cost roughly?

Cheers for all the help round the forums, it's appreciated for sure.

Rabb

[reject]

hmm that 8x multi might be a bit low, unless your on air/water

[Rabbi_NZ]

hmm that 8x multi might be a bit low, unless your on air/water
I agree... personally I dont see anything lower than 9x being worth it... especially if these actually clock well

[WiCKeD]

it's quite all right. and actually, that opn for the 3700+ mobile is still technically wrong. i don't know what it will be, due to the fact that amd is mixing up the OPN's for the new cores a bit. i would suspect something like:

AMN3700B*5BN

star cause i don't know voltage. i'm suspecting 1.35 or 1.3, but if the opn stays consistant with venice/san diego, i have no idea.. mostly because they're too lazy and still haven't updated the tech docs since last year.They were called DTR chips in one of the articles so it should be the same as the rest of the 90nm - 1.4v. OPN might be: AMA3700BIX5BN

[Vandi423]

PM Rabbi_NZ

I just checked out my K8VSEs and the Heatsinks that I have and yes some of them will work. The question is how much weight can they take. What is everyone using with their naked A64s and how much do they weigh? I don't think I am going to test the Turion out unless I have no choice. I'll leave that to the experts! Plus the K8V SE sucks at OCing I'd have to get a DFI and some new RAM.

[ozzimark]

wicked: i call your attention to the processor pricing chart. you'll note that in this one (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html), there is a 3700+ listed in the mobile category.
then if you look at this older one (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ComputingSolutions/0,,30_288_1276_5889%5E609,00.html) there is only a 3700+ listed for Desktop and DTR. the new cpu is indeed a true mobile part, not the DTR mobile. ;)


edit- vandi: i have a zalman cnps-7000-cu on my lidless 3200+ clawhammer.

[WiCKeD]

Recommended heatsinks for neked chips:
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=140905
Where is your connection getting all of these Turions, Vandi?

Nice find, ozz. ;) I was going by the article...

Well then going by the Sempron mobiles (http://www.thedigerati.us/info/amdcpuchart.html), it should indeed be "IX" = AMN3700BIX5BN, but still be @ 1.4v. AMD could get fancy and give it it's own core revision though, which means the last two letters would change. Craziness.

[ozzimark]

ya, but IX is 1.4v and 95ºc.. all 90nm chips are rated for 1.4v anyway (IK, K being 65c)
also, if you've taken a close look at the new venice/san diego cores that i think this 3700+ is based off of, instead of it being BIK, it's.. AA :confused:
either way, we'll find out what's really going on when someone manages to get ahold of one.

[WiCKeD]

Doh, I thought those were the 90nm Semprons...

Anyway, the mobiles still seem to follow the same scheme. Take a look at the 90nm Oakville: AMD2800BKX4LB
AMD=(35w) B=(754lidless) K=(1.35v) X=(max die 95°)

Also Mobile Sempron is
LA=(Low Power Mobile Rev CG B3)
Oakville
LB=(Low Power Mobile Rev D0???)
Mobile 3700+
LC=(Low Power Mobile Rev E3???)

So maybe it will be AMN3700BIX5LC? Good luck to anyone looking for one. ;)

[frostedflakes]

I'm guessing LC is for the 512kb rev. E's (Venice or E3), and, of course, LD is for the 1mb rev. E's (San Diego or E4).

P.S. Turion ETA: Wednesday. :banana:

[Vandi423]

Recommended heatsinks for neked chips:
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=140905
Where is your connection getting all of these Turions, Vandi?


Thank you WiCKeD! Just trying to get a feel of what has been tested and proven. I do a little here and there but mostly with Opterons. So I have contacts with various distributors and a few at AMD. When I first heard about Turion I thought it would be a great chip to make a Dead Silent Desktop. Eventually I plan to evolve it enough to get it in my car. But I don't have enough time to work on it right now. I'll probably won't start till the summer.

EDIT:
Thank you ozzimark!

The cnps-7000-cu comes in at 773g according to Zalman.

The heatsinks that I have are 572g and 630g each. So I should be good when I do my silent system. Of course it is still up to me not to crack the core.

[ozzimark]

vandi, just don't go bumping the case around. it'll be fine ;)
edit: if it's gonna be in the car.. hm, that might be a bit heavy :(


wicked, a K for the voltage means 1.35v ;)
also, it'll have 1mb of cache, so it's gonne be E4

[Gogeta]

If it had 1MB cache, wouldn't the 4 in "AMD2800BKX4LB" be a 5?

[reject]

yes
i think i will be the first real person not a reviewer using -40c cooling on this cpu... hope they are released soon

[reject]

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120273&Category_Code=AMD64
will these guys ship to me?

[Gogeta]

Your link is to a 939 Diego. I know it's essentially the same core as the Turion, but I think you may have posted the link in the wrong thread. :)

[Vandi423]

Turion Motherboard

My first bit of evidence is here:

AOpen Turion Motherboard (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.it.com.cn/f/notebook/053/22/89485.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ds760GXm-S%2Bturion%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D)

From what I read in the DFI Forums I noticed that AMD told them not to support mobile products. And somewhere else I noticed that AMD is not releasing technical information of mobile products to desktop motherboard manufacturers. So the bottom line is that it is very unlikely that motherboard manufacturers will "officially" support Turion on Desktop motherboards. By "officially", I mean it is not likely that you will see a Turion logo next to a desktop motherboard product.

My second bit of evidence:

New AOpen BIOS (http://download.aopen.com.tw/Default.aspx?nothing=nothing&sDropDownCategory=BIOS&sDropDownModel=s760GXm-S&Language=English&WebSite=GL)

"Updated microcode to support Mobile socket 754 CPU." 4/14/2005
Click to Download and you will see: Released Date 4/15/2005

The pricelist showing Turions came to me at 8pm PST 4/14/05
I had them sent to me on 4/15/05

Coincidence? I think not.

Notice how AOpen does not formally support Turions. The reason for this is that Turion is --> "AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology " - Not Desktop.

In German (http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/mainboards/amd-systeme/2005/maerz/aopen_desktop-board_athlon_64_mobile/)

[novagamer]

yes
i think i will be the first real person not a reviewer using -40c cooling on this cpu... hope they are released soon

Can't wait for your results!

[ozzimark]

Coincidence? I think not.
too add to that, the latest dfi nf3 bios adds "revE cpu support"
whether that includes turion/newark is beyond me though :confused:

[Vandi423]

too add to that, the latest dfi nf3 bios adds "revE cpu support"
whether that includes turion/newark is beyond me though :confused:

The only way to know for sure is to add a Turion to a DFI board with that latest BIOS.

[frostedflakes]

Which I plan to do in a few days. :D

Already have the 4/15 beta flashed, just waiting for a Turion to test it out with.

[ozzimark]

:toast:
i wish you luck :p:

o/t, what is the difference between the 4/8 bios and the 4/15 bios? could dfi have already gotten the mobile 3700+ micro-codes in? :eek:

[reject]

Your link is to a 939 Diego. I know it's essentially the same core as the Turion, but I think you may have posted the link in the wrong thread. :)
hahaha im a idiot :D

[WiCKeD]

OPN is TMSMT30BQX5LD, for anyone looking...
http://www.ocworkbench.com/index.stm (check the bottom)

[i found nemo]

wtf they have a turion mobo, hold on 754 has 754 pins still right? i have the latest bios in order to support new turions HOPE FULLY but they have their own mobo???? wtf

[Vandi423]

Here they are!!!!

http://img162.echo.cx/img162/2486/4turion5qk.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Vandi423]

But there is something wrong with one of them. It may not be something major and it may still work. But I would never even think of selling this to anyone.

http://img162.echo.cx/img162/7148/ml375db.jpg
http://img162.echo.cx/img162/634/ml3728ld.jpg

Either AMD rushed this sucker out or someone at the distributor did this. Either way this should have never of been shipped out to me. :mad:

I already called to RMA. They are going to pick it up from me.

[ozzimark]

ouch. that little chip is barely noticeable, but there.
looks awesome otherwise. can't wait for some test reports.

[Vandi423]

ozzimark, its nothing compared to your lovely chip. :D

[ozzimark]

heh. this is true. upon remembering this, i bet that cpu does work. best to be safe anyhow.
while on that topic, do you notice any curvature to the core, even in the slightest? i'm hoping amd has figured out how to put that metal coating on the die properly by now :p:

[tristancarton]

ff, you plan on giving us a good run down later on this week when you receive your chip? (come on sacrifice a few hours for us kids here. i want to see the good old single channel dfi giving the non-released venice chips a good run for their money) s754 dead. i think not.

oh and vandi you have a pm. hehe.

[Vandi423]

heh. this is true. upon remembering this, i bet that cpu does work. best to be safe anyhow.
while on that topic, do you notice any curvature to the core, even in the slightest? i'm hoping amd has figured out how to put that metal coating on the die properly by now :p:

I'll try to take a picture tomorrow when there is some light in my house. BTW they're kinda Metallic Blue. Very pretty, I kinda feel like keeping one now. :slobber:

[i found nemo]

hey ship one to me i'll test it out and i MIGHT send it back lol btw why do all the chips say 2001, this is 2005...right???

[reject]

the a64 project started back in 01 i think

[frostedflakes]

ff, you plan on giving us a good run down later on this week when you receive your chip? (come on sacrifice a few hours for us kids here. i want to see the good old single channel dfi giving the non-released venice chips a good run for their money) s754 dead. i think not.

oh and vandi you have a pm. hehe.Of course. :)

I should have all day Friday, some of Saturday, and all day Sunday to tweak. Don't worry, I'm not going to leave you guys hanging.

[tristancarton]

just wanted to update. well i am joining you ff, vandi is hooking me up. (you rock) i should have a turion mt-34 by wed, thurs, or friday. i will update with results from my dfi ut250 later this week with alot of testing on saturday and sunday. (graduate in june with ece degree. have midterm and program due on friday so no extensive benching till then.)

again vandi thanks. ff seems you and i are going to have some fun this week.

[conrad.maranan]

Keep us all posted. I'll enjoy seeing what you guys can pull off. :toast:

[frostedflakes]

just wanted to update. well i am joining you ff, vandi is hooking me up. (you rock) i should have a turion mt-34 by wed, thurs, or friday. i will update with results from my dfi ut250 later this week with alot of testing on saturday and sunday. (graduate in june with ece degree. have midterm and program due on friday so no extensive benching till then.)

again vandi thanks. ff seems you and i are going to have some fun this week.Good to hear. :toast:

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

I want chips! anywhere to get them in canada? i need to replace my 35W 2800+ newcastle, I want 90nm, SSE3, and 1MB L2 cache~ :fact:

[frostedflakes]

None that I know of, but I'm sure Vandi423 would be more than willing to ship to Canada. I believe he still has an MT-34 left (unless he decides to keep it) and will have a replacement ML-37 soon.

USPS shipping shouldn't be more than $10-20 for such a small and lightweight item. Just make sure to have him mark it as a gift to avoid customs charges.

[ozzimark]

i would definitly like that MT-34 :D
however, i've kinda had my hopes set on the 3700+ mobile for a while now, so i dunno what to do.

[shuRe]

whats to great about the 3700+ mobile? im guessing it does 2.4g stock and its not guaranteed to go much furthur than that, maybe 2.6g. how expensive is it gona be as well!

from what i seen these new turions doing 2.2 at 1.1vcore, they would be the best bet?

[tristancarton]

shure you are correct the new mobile 3700 is 2.4ghz 1mb cache at stock. the thing that is so special about it is that it is a s754 90nm chip with a 12x multiplier (and 1mb cache) on the e stepping. it is probably a turion that couldn't make low voltage but did well in the binning speed category.(still unsure how amd bins their chips. voltage first then maybe speed afterwards?) in any case based upon earlier e stepping results and one or two turion shots this mobile will be very fast. 130nm desktop 3700 usually make 2600 with a little voltage and good cooling. 90nm with new memory controller and without lid should go a few hundred higher. (*note: i said hopefully. more info on how turions do when given voltage will come later on this week when ff and i get our chips.)

ozzi, yeah i really wanted to wait for the 90nm 3700 mobile as well but i figure i will play with this turion for a while and see how she does. if i don't like it i can sell it and keep my 3400 mobile or buy a 3700 mobile when they come out.

also seems as if amd is switching all of the mobile claws to 90nm e stepping based upon the way they changed their tech docs. so maybe a cheap 90nm 3000 or 3200 mobile would be the best performance/price.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_10220_10221^10222,00.html

whats to great about the 3700+ mobile? im guessing it does 2.4g stock and its not guaranteed to go much furthur than that, maybe 2.6g. how expensive is it gona be as well!

from what i seen these new turions doing 2.2 at 1.1vcore, they would be the best bet?

[shuRe]

ah my bad, i thought they were just regular 130nm :p:

[saaya]

i asked amd about the 3700 mobile, its running with 1.35v they said, so it really looks like its a san diego 90nm core!

price is 330$ not bad for a mobile san diego!!! :D
too add to that, the latest dfi nf3 bios adds "revE cpu support"
whether that includes turion/newark is beyond me though :confused:
the only revE vpus that need a new bios to work are the san diego chips :D
so if they update their bios for revE it means they will support turion chipsi guess, easy as that :D

thx a lot Vandi423! beautifull! :D

and if amd really changes all mobiles to 90nm then turion is going to be some sort of a ulv version then... interesting... now we will not only have to figure out if its worth to get a cheap desktop chip, or a more expensive mobile chip, but have also to check the ulv turion chips for oc/$ ! :lol:

[blueworm]

Is there any hope for those of us with K8N neo. will the 3700+ 90nm need a new BIOS?

[ozzimark]

i asked amd about the 3700 mobile, its running with 1.35v they said, so it really looks like its a san diego 90nm core!

price is 330$ not bad for a mobile san diego!!! :D
awesome. didn't happen to ask what the TDP is too, did you? :p:

blueworm: maybe, maybe not. i'll be trying hard to get a 3700+ mobile as soon as i can (vandi has told me it might be a month or two till they show up). i have an msi k8n neo to go with the dfi in my sig. whenever i get one in, i'll make sure you guys hear about it.

[shuRe]

am man now i want one!

someone be a guini pig for us lot and get a 3700+ for the dfi nf3 :p:

[ozzimark]

already working on it. i just need the 3700+ first ;)

[reject]

if somebody finds a link at somewhere like excaliberpc, or if newegg has it and someone can ship to me, let me no plz so i can get my comp back up :p:

[frostedflakes]

It's here. :D

tristancarton: For whatever reason, the Turion memory controller doesn't seem to like when you have two memory sticks in anything other than DIMM slots 1 and 2. Just thought I'd let you know so you aren't ripping your hair out trying to figure out why the computer won't boot. If you're just using one stick, it doesn't seem to mind which slot it's in. Also make sure you're using the 4/15 beta BIOS (although I'm guessing the 4/8 would also work, I haven't tested it).

Instead of posting my results on all the forums I visit, I'm going to keep it all in my thread at EOCF. Here's the link.

http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=166713&page=1&pp=20

[Vandi423]

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :banana: :banana:

I knew it would work!

:banana: :banana: :banana:

[ozzimark]

sweet, thanks FF! *celebrates*

edit: can't see the screens. gotta log in to do that :(

[Vandi423]

He only put this one so far:

DFI Lanparty UT NF3 250gb
http://img249.echo.cx/img249/4373/cpuz5uo.jpg

[ozzimark]

ah, thanks vandi :toast:
looks like cpu-z 1.27 doesn't like recognizing the core though. :p:

[ingentingmendeg]

try 1.28 perhaps?

[i found nemo]

oooooo ma ma beautiful

[tristancarton]

first off give thanks to vandi for hooking us up.

secondly, looks like you guys are going to get the double dose tonight. missed the fedex package today but got to pick it up at around 9 et.

ff, yeah i couldn't get the system past the bios at 2-2-2-5 with my three tccds sticks.(strange because my 3400 could get past at those speeds) pulled the middle one out and it wouldn't even boot. pulled the stick in dimm three out and booted up fine. i will try 512 in 1 and 2 in a bit. honestly i just turned on the system.

turion numbers are:
TMSMT34BQX5LD
CABSE 0507 GPAW

here are a few pics: (if these go down i will try and host elsewhere)
a64 3400 mobile 62w vs turion mt-34 25w core (size) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/tristancarton/dfi-turion2.jpg)
dfi nf3 ut250gb boot screen showing support (oskar wu i love you) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/tristancarton/dfi-turion.jpg)
90mm silent cat feeding 80mm smart fan into thermalright slk-948u (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/tristancarton/dfi-turion4.jpg)

[Vandi423]

YAY!!! You're Welcome tristancarton!!!!!!!!!! :toast:

I want to Thank Both of you for trusting me!

I am also glad that both of your boards worked with the Turions.

I trust both packages arrived in good condition?

[ozzimark]

seems like there's still some slight bios quirks to work out with turion then. the fact that it actually recognizes the name shows that oscar really did go ahead and work on it, but the apparent ram issues need to be worked on :toast:

(vandi, you rock. i would have taken that last one off your hands, but i really do want newark over turion ;))

[frostedflakes]

It's strange, but Newcastle wouldn't boot with the memory in slots 2 & 3. My Oakville wouldn't boot with anything in slot 1. And now the Turion seems to be wierd about having anything in slot 3 with more than one stick of memory. Lol, a different quirk for a different memory controller. ;)

tristancarton, did all three sticks work with looser timings? Or not at all?

Vandi423 everything arrived great. I know it took a leap of faith for you being this was your first time doing business online. I appreciate it, and I'm sure tristancarton does too. :)

EDIT: tristancarton, what kind of results are you getting? I just had to at least see what the chip could do, and I'm having trouble getting any kind of descent clock. Set the board to 277HTT for 2.5GHz. Dropped the CPU multi to make sure the board was good to run at all those settings, and it seemed to get into Windows and run fine. So I bumped the multi up to 9x and couldn't get it into Windows. Tried with 1.4-1.55v and no luck. Is there some setting I'm forgetting? Or something else holding be back. Let me know how yours does, so we can narrow it down to Turion being a complete turd or my system being a turd. :(

Maybe it just needs burnt in a little?

[ozzimark]

hopefully it's just something silly.. not being able to do 2.5ghz is a bit.. :(
even though it's supposed to have a better memory controller, how does it do with one stick in?

[tristancarton]

ff, sorry been playing with alot of settings over the past hour or two. started out with low voltage then said what the heck. 1.5v is def safe for a 90nm chip.

so been playing around with 1.5v and the speed range of 2450-2600. i will let you know when i have some good solid numbers with prime. (meaning more than just a few minutes of testing) right now i am just running one stick of my pdp xbl in dimm slot1. (2.5-3-3-7 1:1 or on 9/10 divider)

[Vandi423]

Damn! I hope your results get better. Maybe I should start asking for newark... :( I'm still going to get a 25W for myself though and do what I planned on doing. I still have no word on Venice and San Diego from AMD other than the original May dates.

[HKPolice]

It's here. :D

tristancarton: For whatever reason, the Turion memory controller doesn't seem to like when you have two memory sticks in anything other than DIMM slots 1 and 2. Just thought I'd let you know so you aren't ripping your hair out trying to figure out why the computer won't boot. If you're just using one stick, it doesn't seem to mind which slot it's in. Also make sure you're using the 4/15 beta BIOS (although I'm guessing the 4/8 would also work, I haven't tested it).

Instead of posting my results on all the forums I visit, I'm going to keep it all in my thread at EOCF. Here's the link.

http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=166713&page=1&pp=20


Hmm.... When I tried VX, it wouldn't run well in slots 1+2. Only 1+3. Wonder if this could affect Turion VX clocking.

Edit: Just noticed that you're running 2x TCCD which works better in slots 1+2. I assume that's why.

[frostedflakes]

Must be something else then, because our chips were manufactured at practically the same time. Same week, same stepping, and I'm assuming the batch numbers are only a few off, so I'm sure they came from the same wafer.

But yeah dude I can't even get into Windows at much more than 2.3-2.4GHz, even with 1.55-1.6v. I'll keep tinkering, though. Maybe I'll give the 4/8 beta BIOS a try. Is that what you're using tristancarton?

[tristancarton]

ff, damn you can't even get into windows above 2.3-2.4 at 1.55v? i can at least get into windows while running 2600-2700 between 1.5 and 1.6. (typing this at 2655 1.55x1.04 2.5-3-3-7 2x512mb cpu/10 divider.)

as far as the bios. i was running 4/8 last week but then upgraded to 4/15. (although i am not exatly sure what changed seeing as the 4/8 bios had the exact same change log as the 4/15)

other note:
-played around with three sticks again at 2T timings under ddr400 speeds. (with all settings on auto) can't get past post. (whereas my 62w 3400 claw can do 2-2-2-5 2T ddr432 all day with three sticks)

not sure how much more i will fidget tonight. from what i have seen so far i would guess my cpu will end up in the 2500-2600 range with volts between 1.475-1.6. i am going to see if i can get a good clock and voltage to run prime overnight.

[Rabbi_NZ]

with one stick of RAM have you guys seen an increase in memory overclock potential on the new mem controllers?

im beginning to think the new 90nm SOI SSE3 3700+ 754 is a better option... AMD may not have been talking sheet when they said slower transistors were used in the Turion line...

[ozzimark]

AMD may not have been talking sheet when they said slower transistors were used in the Turion line...
it would appear that you're right.. didn't i see something about a turion at 2.8ghz not too long ago?

[Mats]

So, fr0stedflakes got a Turdion and tristancarton a Centurion? That's not fair! I hope I'm wrong and that you both get 2.7 GHz at least!
Good luck guys!

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

So, fr0stedflakes got a Turdion and tristancarton a Centurion? That's not fair! I hope I'm wrong and that you both get 2.7 GHz at least!
Good luck guys!


hehe, Turdion! I like that one. These results arent looking too promising though as my 35W Newcastle can do do 2.6ghz.

[reject]

but thats only with 512k cache which means that they only need 2.4G to compete in 3D

[Vandi423]

All three were pretty much exactly the same as far as I could tell. I am begining to think that the multi is KING in A64. I might be joining you guys on friday.

[tristancarton]

first off rabbi. i wish i could give you a good answer. i never fully tested my tccds sticks to their max with my 3400. i just played around with them till i found a good spot.(sign of a noob overclocker) i will see if i can get some decent low multiplier high 1:1 fsb notes here by saturday or sunday.

updates:
-been working for 2.7 at between 1.58-1.65 but can't seem to get it. (my original hopes were 2.7 at 1.5v)
-right now i am super pi 32m stable at 1.55x1.04 @ 294x9=2646. (ram at 2.5-3-3-10 1T 264.6 Mhz) i am testing prime95 small fft and am going to let this go for a while.

benchies@ this clock:
superpi 32M: 29m 18s
3dmark 2001 with x800xt at stock 500/500: 29373 (always a nice score with the 1mb cache)
Sisoft Sandra:
Arithmetic: 12241 Dhrystone, Whetstone 4181/5419
Multimedia: 25245 Integer, Floating point 27149

CPU is staying in the mid-upper 30s (c) under load. Room temp is around 25 c.

i have alot of stuff i have to get done for school tomorrow but i will try and update if i get any furthur. ff, i hope you start getting better numbers. i wouldn't be very happy at 2.3-2.4 with 1.5-1.65v.

[frostedflakes]

I think I'm starting to get somewhere. After doing some tweaking, changing Vdimm from 2.6v to 2.7v seemed to help me break the hump that was holding me back. Right now I'm Priming at 2.4GHz with 1.5v (didn't seem to like this speed with 1.4v). Will keep pushing it.

[Mats]

Have you guys tried running with a divider just to find max CPU speed?

[frostedflakes]

Yeah that's what I'm doing. I set the board at 300HTT and divided everything to make sure the board was stable. Keeping the RAM at or below 200MHz for now, and slowly working the CPU multi up in 0.5x increments (hopefully) to 2.7GHz.

[ozzimark]

1/2 multi's are evil though :(

just because i can't seem to figure it out, tristian and FF, you both have MT-34's, right?
i don't really understand the discrephancy in oc'ing.. though i guess the comment before that the CTO made about slower transistors.. is proving right :mad:

[frostedflakes]

I dunno, I think the chips are about the same, I just hadn't really tweaked it enough to keep up with tristancarton. I'm currently at about 2.6GHz now, but don't see this chip going much further. Am trying to find out how high I can run the memory, as I've never really pushed it beyond 250MHz.

[tristancarton]

mats, i started out doing that but i wasn't really getting any furthur running the memory at low speeds. (running the divider at 100 (1/2) or 133 (2/3)wasn't giving me a whole lot more room than running it at 166 (5/6) or 180 (9/10).

ozzi, yeah strange to see a few san diego reviews showing very high clock speeds at low volts and we are sitting here trying to get 2500-2600 stability in the 1.5v-1.6v range. aren't these lancaster turion cores basically voltage binned san diegos that are cut down to only use the single channel memory interface? i still have a hard time believing amd would use special silicon for these chips when alot of their newcastle 90nm cores can hit the turion low voltage speeds. then again with the results we are getting so far.

yeah ff has an mt-34. supposedly of a similar batch.(makes sense since they came from same person and one shipment) lastly give us a few more days to play around with the cpu some more. perhaps there are a few memory timings and settings that just don't get along with these new memory controllers and ff and I haven't been tinkering with those yet. (right now i am just more or less just running oskar nf3 tccd settings.)

small update: keep having to move my speed down a few from prime95 failure. testing 292x9 just failed after a few hours. heading for 290x9.

[Rabbi_NZ]

fr0stedflakes,
can you post your complete settings mate?
maybe we can help you get the board stable so it's not a limiting factor...

For now:
Set LDT to 3x
Set CPU Multi to MAX ( 9x ??? )
Set Memory Divider to 166 (5/6)

What memory do you have? We will definately be able to help you get that under control if you post what manufacturer, what chips, what speed ratings, yada yada.

What PSU do you have?
what BIOS are you running?


If you need a hand just post that info and we'll be Xtremely happy to help hehehe

[tristancarton]

rabbi i may end up posting alot of questions later tomorrow and asking for thoughts. i know you have tweaked your nf3 to the bone.

anyway, more comments.
-290x9 (2610) was stable at 1.55x1.04 with 2.5-3-3-10 1T cpu/10 (261 mhz) timings for 5 hours in prime small fft. (i stopped it)
-296x9 (2664) at 1.5x1.10 with 2.5-3-3-10 1T cpu/10 (266.4) went for about 2 1/2 hours (p95 small fft) last night before it exited out.
-right now trying 294x9 at 1.5x1.10 with 2.5-3-3-10 1T cpu/10 (266.4).
-these chips are really interesting. i was throwing 1.7 volts at it earlier and the temperature would only max at 38-40c. additionally right after taking off the load the idle cpu would drop back down into high 20s. i thought this was pretty amazing for air cooling temps at 1.7v in a room with ambient being in mid 20s. highly doubt i will run 1.7v even with those temps. 1.6-1.65 is probably even pushing a 90nm air cooled core.

ff how are your temps?

[frostedflakes]

Temps are awesome. My Oakville wasn't much different. Even with pretty low end air cooling, you could probably give these 90nm cores 1.55-1.6v and still keep temps under 50*C load. But like you mentioned, I'd be worried about the high voltage stressing the processor, and not the heat. I'd say 1.6v is an OK 24/7 Vcore, maybe 1.55v if you want to play it safe.

I doubt it's the board or mem, because right off the bat I set it to 300x7 to verify stability at high HTTs. Divided the memory to ~200MHz (2/3), and set LTD to 2.5x. I tested this and it was stable in P95 and general windows use. Because my goal was 2.7GHz I was just planning to keep all settings the same and raise multi so I'd know it was the CPU as soon as I started having instability. Mem frequency would change a little as I started OC'g the CPU because it's divided by the CPU frequency, but it never went over 200MHz, which I knew for sure it could run.

Tried BIOS 4/8 and 4/15. My power supply is a 350w, but it's an Antec with plenty of power. Is rated for 21A on the +12v and my DMM reads +12v as 12.01, so I doubt that's the problem. I have PCI video, 2x512mb, and CD-RW and a 40gb HDD, so I don't have a lot of big power users in my system.

I've taken a break from tweaking for a few days because it's getting me so frustrated. I'll give the processor a couple days to burn in then go at it again. Or maybe I'll just drive over it with my car... :hehe:

[majkel84]

Quite disappoing, isn't it ? :confused:
Now i started to glorify my NC 2800+ once again :woot:
BTW: is the multiplier realy unlocked or I've overheard it ?

[Rabbi_NZ]

My power supply is a 350w, but it's an Antec with plenty of power. Is rated for 21A on the +12v...
That is a very weak PSU for nF3 bro, it would have been "acceptable" on nF2 but I wouldn't go running it on your rig and expect great overclocking

[Vandi423]

Hey Guys!

I am really sorry that these things turned out to be Turdions. :(

I was able to talk my distributor into sending me an MT-34 instead of an ML-37, so I am in this with you guys now. I tried the Turdion without flashing the K8V with a new BIOS and guess what? It worked! Check out my setup! LOL

http://img9.echo.cx/img9/9589/k8v2yo.jpg

http://img9.echo.cx/img9/2117/k8v20ji.jpg

A nice and cool 35C in a room at 25C.

[HKPolice]

Hey Guys!

I am really sorry that these things turned out to be Turdions. :(

I was able to talk my distributor into sending me an MT-34 instead of an ML-37, so I am in this with you guys now. I tried the Turdion without flashing the K8V with a new BIOS and guess what? It worked! Check out my setup! LOL


http://img9.echo.cx/img9/2117/k8v20ji.jpg

A nice and cool 35C in a room at 25C.
Wow, what heatsink is that!?? Is it better than a XP90?

[HKPolice]

Wow man, you NEED a better PSU for OCing. Also, use 3x LDT multi instead of 2.5x. 3x is more stable.

Temps are awesome. My Oakville wasn't much different. Even with pretty low end air cooling, you could probably give these 90nm cores 1.55-1.6v and still keep temps under 50*C load. But like you mentioned, I'd be worried about the high voltage stressing the processor, and not the heat. I'd say 1.6v is an OK 24/7 Vcore, maybe 1.55v if you want to play it safe.

I doubt it's the board or mem, because right off the bat I set it to 300x7 to verify stability at high HTTs. Divided the memory to ~200MHz (2/3), and set LTD to 2.5x. I tested this and it was stable in P95 and general windows use. Because my goal was 2.7GHz I was just planning to keep all settings the same and raise multi so I'd know it was the CPU as soon as I started having instability. Mem frequency would change a little as I started OC'g the CPU because it's divided by the CPU frequency, but it never went over 200MHz, which I knew for sure it could run.

Tried BIOS 4/8 and 4/15. My power supply is a 350w, but it's an Antec with plenty of power. Is rated for 21A on the +12v and my DMM reads +12v as 12.01, so I doubt that's the problem. I have PCI video, 2x512mb, and CD-RW and a 40gb HDD, so I don't have a lot of big power users in my system.

I've taken a break from tweaking for a few days because it's getting me so frustrated. I'll give the processor a couple days to burn in then go at it again. Or maybe I'll just drive over it with my car... :hehe:

[reject]

lol, thats the only ausus board that actually looks good.
but the pci/agp isnt locked is it?
and i see you have used pads on the pcb. are those from an AXP?

[Vandi423]

lol, thats the only ausus board that actually looks good.
but the pci/agp isnt locked is it?
and i see you have used pads on the pcb. are those from an AXP?

Well the K8v's that I have were free. So no OCing on these and yes they're from a palomino.

[i found nemo]

link for the 4/15 bios update plz???

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

hopefully there is hope for the ML's, as the MT's dont seem to be breath taking

[tristancarton]

vandi, no need to be sorry, we knew what were getting into.(although that doesn't mean that we aren't surprised at the results) nice to see you joining ff and i with an mt-34. these things run really cool. would be perfect for a htpc or as a upgrade for a laptop running a 81w dtr or 62w mobile.

i found nemo, here is the 4/15 dfi bios (http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/Download/bios_download_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=2840&STATUS_FLAG=B&SITE=NA)

westside i bet the mls are on the same process as the mts. i originally figured they were using the san diego process but the latest reviews of the san diego chips combined (1.4-1.5v 3ghz water) with our not so amazing results may indicate amd has it's own process/si wafers that are used for these turion chips.(what the cto said but i didn't believe him)

another good question that we need to get from an amd insider is whether this latest mobile 3700 nm chip will be based on the turion (lancaster process) or the san diego process. (if there is a difference between the two processes)

last, update on speeds. system was prime95 small fft 12+ hour(i stopped it) stable at 2646 1.65v. however would not pass 3dmark 2003 at that speed.(i am quite confident that my antec 550 is being squeezed for all it's worth. prob be picking up a new ps soon.) computer will pass 3dmark 2003 at 2600 1.65v. i think i may loop one of the graphic programs overnight to test stability.

[frostedflakes]

350w may not be adequate for P4 Prescott and a 6800 Ultra, but I seriously doubt that my PCI video card and 25w processor is pushing it to it's limits...

Even overclocked, I doubt this Turion is drawing more than 60-70w.

[i found nemo]

wow that bios update helped me out with my ram a lil bit, go figure thanx tris.....anyways guys, have you tried a freash rebuild now that the cpu is burnt in a little take the whole thing apart put it back together and re-do windows freash install and partition, also tried with ide drives?????? and try it with one stick of ram.....the dfi's o/c better with 1 stick and also if you are using sata try switching it around, i think you can't hook it upto 1&2 .... dunno hope this helps

[perkam]

So....whats the final verdict on these ??? Are they Dothan Stompers ???

EDIT: Oh hey FoundNemo...

Perkam

[Vandi423]

Wow, what heatsink is that!?? Is it better than a XP90?

It is a 1U Opteron heatsink. I doubt it is better than an XP90. I am just using it to make sure that the Turion would work. My temps have gone up too much so I am going to start looking for something better. My K8V needed a BIOS update in order to get into windows. Luckily the new Beta sees the Turion just fine and I was able to flash with the Turion installed.

[i found nemo]

lol......hey perk....i think you should get the xp90-c they are supposed to be good, once i save up enough i'm gettin' one, and a better psu

[Rabbi_NZ]

350w may not be adequate for P4 Prescott and a 6800 Ultra, but I seriously doubt that my PCI video card and 25w processor is pushing it to it's limits...

Even overclocked, I doubt this Turion is drawing more than 60-70w.
Bro, it's weak... it's below recommended rating for nF3 (400w I think).
Not just the wattage, but Antec are known for having weak 12v rails.

60-70w? How much power does a 2200MHz Venice use? Cos you will DEFINATELY be using more than that considering you have more cache, higher voltage, and running (or at least trying to) 2.4GHz+.

It's the advise I gave to begin with and I'm standing by it... if you can't afford a new PSU that's cool, we're not all made of money... but don't expect your rig to fly just because you have a DFI + Brand Spanking 90nm SSE3 Turion CPU... put 91 octane in a F1 car and see what happens dude

[shuRe]

yeh if anyone knows anything about the new 90nm 3700+ that would be good.

[Mats]

Vandi423: Is that a Nexus server heatsink? Is it good?

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

actually HKpolice LDT of 2.5x allows higher htt and stability when compared to 2x or 3x on the dfi nf3's.

[Vandi423]

Vandi423: Is that a Nexus server heatsink? Is it good?

http://img83.echo.cx/img83/9108/turionpass3sf.jpg

Actually, no it isn't but they look very similar. Makes me think they were both made by the same company. I got mine directly from the manufacturer. The problem with this heatsink is that it is too small. There isn't enough surface area to radiate and lose all of the energy. When I PRIME it the temps go up to 33C and never come back down. However if I don't prime it the temps stay very close to the case temps. So I need a copper heatsink with more fins and a larger surface area.

http://img83.echo.cx/img83/9397/turioncool2zs.jpg

[i found nemo]

why don't you put a fan directly on the heat sink, though 33c is nice, my pentium ran a bit cooler than that (p3)

[Vandi423]

why don't you put a fan directly on the heat sink, though 33c is nice, my pentium ran a bit cooler than that (p3)

Because my ultimate goal is for a fanless system. 33C for passive isn't bad but it is not good enough. :cool:

[i found nemo]

well atleast put some cooling on that asus heatsink on the south bridge (can't call it a northbridge cuz the mem control is in the cpu lol)

[Vandi423]

well atleast put some cooling on that asus heatsink on the south bridge (can't call it a northbridge cuz the mem control is in the cpu lol)

It will be fine. I am not going to OC with no AGP/PCI lock. I think I'll get a DFI once the final BIOS comes out.

[tristancarton]

nice pics vandi. even if your chip stays in the mids 30s (after priming) you will be okay. remember these cores have the highest amd temperature rating with the designation of 'X' in the OPN. (heck remember it is supposed to be put in a laptop with much less cooling than your system)
a64 opn info (http://www.amdboard.com/amd64_opn.html)

if you are still scared pick up an xp-120 and shave down the bracket.(due to being lidless) despite being huge and awkward it is still arguably the best passive air cooler on the market. (water doesn't count)

[i found nemo]

vandi just so you know, those can get hot on dfi's so make sure you have good cooling for the south bridge seriously i burnt my finger bad one time, so i threw an old socket 7 fan on it....even though it's floating in the air (twistie hooked up to a little hole in my vid card lol) still works decent though

[Vandi423]

nice pics vandi. even if your chip stays in the mids 30s (after priming) you will be okay. remember these cores have the highest amd temperature rating with the designation of 'X' in the OPN. (heck remember it is supposed to be put in a laptop with much less cooling than your system)
a64 opn info (http://www.amdboard.com/amd64_opn.html)

if you are still scared pick up an xp-120 and shave down the bracket.(due to being lidless) despite being huge and awkward it is still arguably the best passive air cooler on the market. (water doesn't count)

Yea, I've been looking into that. 95C that’s HOT! I am not scared to break the sucker it's just that I eventually want to get this sucker into my car and so I will be testing it at 120F ambient. I still have a ton a problems to solve before I can get it in there. PS, HD, GPU, etc. Plus a custom case and screen (maybe modded touch screen). From what I can tell the voltage is Q = 1.20V ?????

i found nemo: LOL twistie! Thanks for the input! I need everything I can get.

[i found nemo]

lol the definition of ghetto rigged is my ghetto rig lmao

[Vandi423]

OK so here is what I got:

TMSMT34BQX5LD

TM S= Turion Mobile 25W(S)
MT34= 1.8 GHz
B= 754 pin Liddless OmPGA
Q= 1.200v
X= 95°C
5= 1MB L2 Cache
LD= (??? Nothing "official" yet)

So anything below 1.2v we're actually undervolting. Everytime I go below that I get a CPU OVERVOLTAGE warning message from my mobo. Its retarded because what it really means is UNDERVOLTAGE. :rolleyes:

TMDML37BKX5LD

TM D= Turion Mobile 35W(D)
ML37= 2.0 GHz
B= 754 pin Liddless OmPGA
K= 1.350v
X= 95°C
5= 1MB L2 Cache
LD= (??? Nothing "official" yet)

[Vandi423]

ozzimark!!!!

Look what just appeared:


AMN3000BKX5BU
AMN3200BKX5BU
AMN3400BKX5BU
AMN3700BKX5BU

I'll let you guess what these are.

Just to give you a hint:

90nm Opterons Rev. E
OSA150FAA5BK
OSA252FAA5BL
OSA852FAA5BM

90nm A64 Rev. E
ADA3000DAA4BP
ADA3200DAA4BP
ADA3500DAA4BN
ADA3500DAA4BP
ADA3700DAA5BN
ADA3800DAA4BP
ADA4000DAA5BN

90nm FX55 Rev. E
ADAFX55DAA5BN

See anything in common?

[tristancarton]

vandi, does that mean you are able to order them? mmmm...mmmm...AMN3700BKX5BU (no money for it now but may be able to scrounge some up in a few weeks)

the real question now is whether these are built on the turion(lancaster) or san diego process. (i am assuming the turion is a different process than the 939 san diegos based upon our initial overclocking results)

[Vandi423]

vandi, does that mean you are able to order them? mmmm...mmmm...AMN3700BKX5BU (no money for it now but may be able to scrounge some up in a few weeks)

the real question now is whether these are built on the turion(lancaster) or san diego process. (i am assuming the turion is a different process than the 939 san diegos based upon our initial overclocking results)


Turion is a completely different process to ADA AMN AMA. If AMD likes to keep a structure (I think they do) LD stepping means that it is something different to BP BN BU BK BL BM. Turion still did pretty good with a 65Mhz stable HTT OC with decent temps at least right??? So let’s be generous and give Turion 65 MHz.


265*9= 2385

Lets assume 3700BU will do the same:

265*12= 3180

????? Insights anyone????

[ozzimark]

See anything in common?
you're my hero <3 :D

so now the speculation on this begins again. i think vandi's comment on how it's AMNxxxxxxxBU, thus not being a turion based core is probably right. plus, i'll be willing to bet that the 3700+ won't be the last in the mobile line..
so, if that's true, the question arises: which gets better dies, FX or mobiles?
if it's the latter... :slobber:

[frostedflakes]

Voltage is 1.35v just like the 35w Turions, so if I were AMD I would just relabel and sell them as Athlon64 mobiles.

Then again, if this was the case, I'd assume the LD revision identifier would've carried over, but these are BU parts.

[Rabbi_NZ]

I'm thinking they are different to the Turions for sure... a 3400 1MB BU mobile sounds daiimn appealing actually. Well, a 3700+ is even more so but I'm not going to sell my kidney until it's absolutely necessary.

Vandi, thanks a lot man! :toast:

[saaya]

Bro, it's weak... it's below recommended rating for nF3 (400w I think).
Not just the wattage, but Antec are known for having weak 12v rails.

60-70w? How much power does a 2200MHz Venice use? Cos you will DEFINATELY be using more than that considering you have more cache, higher voltage, and running (or at least trying to) 2.4GHz+.

It's the advise I gave to begin with and I'm standing by it... if you can't afford a new PSU that's cool, we're not all made of money... but don't expect your rig to fly just because you have a DFI + Brand Spanking 90nm SSE3 Turion CPU... put 91 octane in a F1 car and see what happens dude

if its a good 350W psu its fine :)
im running a fortron 350Wer with an x850xtpe and winnie at 1.55v and 2650mhz w/o any probs and the card clocks to 590/630 wich is slightly above average, so no sign of the psu crapping out...

a 2200mhz venice with 1.4v produces less than 40W ;)
double cache means 1-3W more heat, it doesnt really make a difference :)
my fortron 350W is rated for 16A or 18A on the 12v rail and the rail is fine and stable and doesnt fluctuate at all :)

amd told me at cebit that their main focus is the mobile market now! they will keep pushing in the server market, but their main focus is the notebook market, thats where they have the smallest market share wich means they can gain a large part of the market share without too much effort while gaining more market share in the desktop workstation and server segment costs them a lot of effort. considering this theres actually a good chance that they test all their chips for low voltage and high clockspeeds first, and that the highest clocked mobiles are the highest quality of their chips after their speed binning tests :)

[Rabbi_NZ]

if its a good 350W psu its fine :)
a 2200mhz venice with 1.4v produces less than 40W ;)
double cache means 1-3W more heat, it doesnt really make a difference :)
my fortron 350W is rated for 16A or 18A on the 12v rail and the rail is fine and stable and doesnt fluctuate at all :)

According to the table below from This article at xbitlabs (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-venice_3.html), a 2.2GHz Venice is 67watts at 1.35v-1.40v and a 2.4GHz Venice is 89watts at 1.35v-1.40v... that is with stocks volts as mentioned. So when you push 1.55v+ into the core at approx 2.4GHz I am quite sure it would raise power rating to damn near 100watts...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29202&stc=1

[Mats]

Rabbi_NZ:
In the same review you see the actual power consumption, we all know that AMD's desktop TDP is VERY high. This numbers are measured with the mobo power regulators included which got a 90 % effiicency at best. When looking at this one you see that Winchester and Oakville got identical TDP and that 67 W for a 3500+D is just plain BS, it's more like 42 W.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/athlon64-venice/cons-2.png

[ozzimark]

well TDP is usually for the highest rated chip in the line (for AMD at least).. by setting such a high number, AMD has a lot of room to grow before running into heat "problems"

assuming between 85 and 90% efficiency, AMD can go up to 3ghz with the venice core before going over the 67w limit.. for this particular chip. problem is, not all chips are the same. some are less efficient than others and put out more heat.

[Mats]

well TDP is usually for the highest rated chip in the line (for AMD at least).. by setting such a high number, AMD has a lot of room to grow before running into heat "problems"
I guess that's sometimes true, especially for older XP chips and mobile A64. They want to make some headroom for future models. But now we see strange numbers like the 3500+D I mentioned. They probably said 67 W because they had a faster revision D in mind but it never showed up.

Another story is Opteron E. AFAIK, the 2.4 GHz and the 2.6 GHz showed up at the same time. The 2.4 GHz have 85.3 W. Now is that high number there to get some headroom for the next model? Well no, the 2.6 is already there too and got 92.6 W. Very strange.

[saaya]

yepp, the tdp is the rating for the mobo and heatsink builders, it means that the mainboards and heatsinks have to be able to supply the cpu with that much electricity and be able to handle the heat comming from the cpu, thats all :)

[ozzimark]

sometimes i wonder if that opteron number includes dual core, because it is definitly very high :confused:

[tristancarton]

just figure i would post again with prob my last major update for this turion. nothing really new, cpu seems to run everything i throw at it at 2620 @ 1.65. anything higher and it will fail 3dmark2003.(prime95 blend/fft,super pi 32m, and 3dmark2001/2005 are fine higher at around 2670) thought this was a power supply problem so tried a 500w ttgi (not sure if it is better than my antec but figured i would try it) with a 30a 12v. (my antec has only 24a) still fine at 2620 but problems at 2630.(same as my antec) really don't want to throw anymore voltage at it. (even though it is still running only around 40c under load after taking off my smartfan and just using the 22db silentcat) i am going to run it 24/7 with 1.65v at 2600. (with my fsb, about as fast as a stock fx55)

i will contine to monitor and comment on the 90nm mobile chips though. hopefully those chips will turn out to be what i/we thought these turions would turn out to be. (e core san diegos on s754)

[Rabbi_NZ]

Mats, from your diagram a 3500+ Winny would be closer to 48w than 42w, where did you get the 42w figure? And a Rev.E would be bout 56w... all this is on standard voltage & standard HTT... raising HTT and memory speed must also increase power consumption.
Either way, I dont think these Turions are Rev.E procs so maybe they consume even less power than a Winny... who know?

tristancarton, when 3Dmark starts crashing could it be related to memory (speed or timings)?

[ozzimark]

that's measured from the power plug, thus you must apply the inefficiency of the PWM to the draw. assuming 90%, the actual power draw is ~42w :)

[frostedflakes]

And 90% efficiency is probably a fairly optimistic figure for a consumer board. From what I've read, server/industrial boards are generally the only ones with 90%+ efficiency, and generally the consumer motherboards are between 80-85%, of course depending on the quality of components used by the manufacturer and what kind of load they are experiencing (i.e. if they're anything like PSUs efficiency is lower with extremely high or extremely low load demands).

Thanks for the update tristancarton. I got the Turion up to ~2.55GHz at 1.6v, but didn't bother testing more than a couple hours of P95. Will probably try to find a nice middle ground at 1.3-1.4v.

[Mats]

Rabbi NZ:
How I first got the 42 W figure: Calculated from a 1.35 V, 35 W, 3000+ Oakville running at 1.40 V, 2200 MHz which gave me 41.4 W TDP for a 3500+D. We get 41.4/48 = 86.25 % efficency for that EPoX 9NPA+ Ultra mobo in the review.
Remember that some A64E runs at 1.35 V (not the one in the review), which almost makes up for the extra power needed compared to D.
For a 3500+E(1.4 V): 86.25% * 55.9 = 48.2 W
For a 3500+E(1.35 V): 44.8 W

But if the efficency is lower like ff says, then it makes the CPU even more low power. I guess they rather optimize the mobo power regulators efficency for max output (X2 or 130 nm FX) rather than a 3500+...

Turion is more low power than A64D, since they do 2.4 GHz at 35 W and 1.35 V (2.2 GHz at 25 W and 1.2 V). Oakville did 2.0 GHz at 35 W and 1.35 V.

TDP is valid for a certain CPU (or groups of CPU's, present or future) running at stock speed and stock Vcore, nothing else. If you raise the HTT or mem speed then you're going out of specs, but we all know that...

[frostedflakes]

You should be able to accurately calculate any revision E Turion wattage using the Benchtest CPU calc (http://www.benchtest.com/calc.html), because Turion has a very defined thermal limit, and is not as open ended as desktop models. Just plug in max speed for the 25w line (2200MHz), voltage (1.2), and wattage (25w) as the known variables, then calculate your unknowns. To verify the accuracy of the calculator, I plugged in 2400MHz and 1.35v (which is the highest 35w Turion) and sure enough wattage came out to 34.52w, so I'd say the calculator is pretty reliable.

So when I plug 1.55v and 2.4GHz into the calc with the Turion knowns I only get 45.5w. Apparently voltage has very little to do with power consumption on K8, which makes sense, because higher clocks seem to raise temps for me much more than higher voltage (was the same with my Oakville, and to some extent my Newcastle).

Even at 3GHz with 1.6v according to the calculator it's only using 60.6w.

Not sure if these figures can be carried over to the desktop chips, though, because it's possible Turion does use different transistors with different power characteristics at the same settings.

If only I had a clamp-style pickup with my multimeter I would be more than happy to test current on my +12v and either back up or shoot down these claims. But I don't, and I'm not about to hack up my PSU wires to measure amperage in series. And the cheapest DVOMs I've seen with inductive pickups were still pretty expensive.

[Mats]

sometimes i wonder if that opteron number includes dual core, because it is definitly very high :confused:
LOL, so strange (http://www2.amd.com/us-en/protected/Weblets/1,,7832_11341,00.html?redir=CPQR08)...

single core 2.4 GHz: 85,3 W :stick:
single core 2.6 GHz: 92,6 W :stick:
dual core 1.8-2.2 GHz: 95 W Ok, I believe this one, (VERY close to 2*48.2 :eek: from my last post)

[Mats]

You should be able to accurately calculate any revision E Turion wattage using the Benchtest CPU calc (http://www.benchtest.com/calc.html), because Turion has a very defined thermal limit, and is not as open ended as desktop models. Just plug in max speed for the 25w line (2200MHz), voltage (1.2), and wattage (25w) as the known variables, then calculate your unknowns. To verify the accuracy of the calculator, I plugged in 2400MHz and 1.35v (which is the highest 35w Turion) and sure enough wattage came out to 34.52w, so I'd say the calculator is pretty reliable.

I use CPUPower (http://www.silentpcreview.com/Web_Links+index-req-visit-lid-137.html) for calculating this.

So when I plug 1.55v and 2.4GHz into the calc with the Turion knowns I only get 45.5w. Apparently voltage has very little to do with power consumption on K8, which makes sense, because higher clocks seem to raise temps for me much more than higher voltage

No, it's not like that. It's the same for all CPU's. Frequency affects the wattage less than Vcore. Try calculate 3 GHz at stock Vcore and you'll see.
Pnew = Pold*(Vnew / Vold)²
Pnew = Pold*(fnew / fold)

....IIRC.

[elec999]

Will motherboard makers post us from using turions in desktop boards.
Thanks

[frostedflakes]

Yeah I guess your right, somehow I think I knew that in the back of my head I just got my thoughts mixed up when I wrote them out. :confused:

Anyways that CPUPower program is slick. Guess I can go ahead and take the benchtest calculator off my bookmarks. :)

[Mats]

Will motherboard makers post us from using turions in desktop boards.
Thanks
What do you mean? :confused:
If you're lucky, your mobo will POST if that's what you mean...
Or is this a Soviet Russia joke, the mobo maker post you?

[Vandi423]

Interesting....
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/6104/turione9tr.jpg

DH9E0 hmmmm...

[frostedflakes]

Interesting, CBI picks up the revision information.

If someone with a desktop San Diego wouldn't mind checking their revision info with CBI maybe we would be able to determine if these are actually SDs or a different type of beast. I'm guessing if they are just SD cores stuck on a 754pin package revisions would be exactly the same (much like Oakville and Winchester, both DH8-D0).

Also kind of wierd that it detects hyperthreading. Has to be a glitch.

[ozzimark]

well the HT bit was enabled on the dual cores... maybe amd decided to put it in all the revE cores and we just didn't notice before? :confused:

[Mats]

well the HT bit was enabled on the dual cores... maybe amd decided to put it in all the revE cores and we just didn't notice before? :confused:
I dunno, but would that show up in the task manager? I just didn't think they were capable of running two threads.

[i found nemo]

how'd amd get rights to hyperthreading???

[ozzimark]

i don't think intel can do anything about amd turning on a bit in the CPU-ID ;)
mats, i have no idea. but the HT bit has been enabled since the early northwood days.. before it had HT (not 100% sure, but i believe so. check the toledo thread)

[majkel84]

i don't think intel can do anything about amd turning on a bit in the CPU-ID ;)
mats, i have no idea. but the HT bit has been enabled since the early northwood days.. before it had HT (not 100% sure, but i believe so. check the toledo thread)

AMD turning on a HT bit ?? What HT bit? Do I miss something ?
K8 arch. certainly isn't capable of running HT because of pipe-depth
Multithreading is what AMD can easily do but not HT ...
It is an obvious misdetection ;)

[tristancarton]

vandi, nice eye. ff, yeah very intriguing. i am going to try and follow up on the cbid san diego revision codes because i really do want to know what the deal is with the turion line as well as the new 90nm mobile line that will be forthcoming. i posted on dfi-street asking rg or ag if they could please download the new cbid and post a ss of their 3700 and 4000 san diego cores. assuming they do that i will update here.

as to the hyperthreading, i am sure it is an error. (or perhaps amd having some fun)

also @ i found nemo. i think amd and intel have rights to each others property and patents for the next few years from an 10-15 year old settlement.(not that amd would use ht. just that they were they could use it without having to pay royalties or asking intel for approval if they wanted to.)

update: ag has already gotten back to my request. generation is 15.0 model is 7.2. revision is SH9E4. don't think the turion is based on san diego. (now the wait for the 90nm new mobiles)

[Vandi423]

AMN3200BKX5BU
AMN3400BKX5BU
AMN3700BKX5BU

AMN3000BKX5BU

[frostedflakes]

You mean these are available now? As in ready to ship?

Sign me up for that 3400+ if the price is still between $250-275. I want another shot at these new CPUs....

tristancarton, looks like Turion are a different version of the San Deigo desktop core. Thanks for the confirmation, although I think were sure enough about this based on our poor results. :(

[ozzimark]

i'll bite too, though i'd like the 3700+ :D
(unless you think it will be in stores within 2 weeks, then i won't)

also, FF and tristan, i'm working on a revE oc database over at [H], would you mind telling me the 2nd line of the opn along with your max stable oc and the voltage it took to get there? thanks :toast:

[Vandi423]

AMN3200BKX5BU

AMN3400BKX5BU

AMN3700BKX5BU

[Vandi423]

i'll bite too, though i'd like the 3700+ :D
(unless you think it will be in stores within 2 weeks, then i won't)

also, FF and tristan, i'm working on a revE oc database over at [H], would you mind telling me the 2nd line of the opn along with your max stable oc and the voltage it took to get there? thanks :toast:

Your guess is as good as mine as to when resellers will have them. ??????

[Mats]

Sign me up for that 3400+ if the price is still between $250-275. I want another shot at these new CPUs....

So the story continues... :toast:
Make sure you start a fresh new thread when you get it, i'm waiting!
Turion seems to be for low power only.

[tristancarton]

vandi, fantastic news. can't believe you are going to help us out again. you are indeed the man. as for me though, i am going to wait till i get rid of one of the two cpus i have right now. (although i really do think these are the s754 san diegos we were looking for in the turion. gosh that 3700 looks damn appealing. 12x mult drool.)

ozzi,
TMSMT34BQX5LD
CABSE 0507 GPAW
right now max is at 289@9 (2601) @ 1.65 volts (sounds like really high voltage and is but only primes at around 40c)

[Vandi423]

Just got the new price list and ALL of the Turions are GONE! None left. Yet I still don't see any resellers selling them? They probably all went to Notebooks. Same thing will probably happen to these:

AMN3200BKX5BU
AMN3400BKX5BU
AMN3700BKX5BU

Nobody knows they can buy them unless they ask. Hell, I didn't even know about these until tristancarton showed the press release. These will probably go to notebooks as well and will go unnoticed by resellers. :( I'm poor right now so I can't be the first to find out.

All of these are in full stock:
AMN2800BIX5AR
AMN3000BIX5AR
AMN3200BIX5AR
AMN3400BIX5AR
AMA2800BEX5AR
AMA3000BEX5AR
AMA3200BEX5AR
AMA3400BEX5AR
AMA3700BEX5AR

[ozzimark]

thanks tristan.

vandi, i'll fire off an email to the suggestion department of newegg, and perhaps something to monarch too, though monarch never carried the mobiles, just DTR.

[Vandi423]

thanks tristan.

vandi, i'll fire off an email to the suggestion department of newegg, and perhaps something to monarch too, though monarch never carried the mobiles, just DTR.
Good Luck. :cool:

You guys asked me to tell you when I saw Newark.That's why I want to go into manufacturing, producing things to make people happy. :) :banana: :banana: Hopefully you can get through to someone who will actually investigate the issue and not give you a stupid answer like the Venice/San Diego responses that I've seen. Once again, Good Luck and I hope they listen to you. :toast:

[ozzimark]

yeah, i know what you mean. i'm somewhat hesitant about things like that too, though from what i heard from FF and Tristan, you did a very good job :toast:

as a side note, both emails (to newegg and AMD tech support) went out about 5 min ago. hopefully i'll get a response by tomorrow.. wednesday at the latest.

[Vandi423]

yeah, i know what you mean. i'm somewhat hesitant about things like that too, though from what i heard from FF and Tristan, you did a very good job :toast:

as a side note, both emails (to newegg and AMD tech support) went out about 5 min ago. hopefully i'll get a response by tomorrow.. wednesday at the latest.

I'm curious what AMD tech support tells you...

[ozzimark]

honestly, me too. last time i asked them something, the email got bumped up a higher priority so that i could be told that "discussion mobile processor support in a desktop is not a supported action" (or something like that)
hahaha, i laughed when i saw that :D

[Vandi423]

honestly, me too. last time i asked them something, the email got bumped up a higher priority so that i could be told that "discussion mobile processor support in a desktop is not a supported action" (or something like that)
hahaha, i laughed when i saw that :D

LOL

I am glad Mobo makers ignored AMD and went ahead to support Turion unofficially. 25W Rocks! Makes me want to take off the IHS off of my 89W Opterons.

[ozzimark]

well, both companies got the emails, i got auto-replies thanking me for contacting them. haha, i doubt they really are happy that i'm asking crazy questions though :banana:

[tristancarton]

figured i would post this as well. seems gamepc has put up a review of the turion. i wouldn't say it is shining though. imo, it gets pretty smashed by the pentium-m. seems if you are going low power mobile you may want to stay with intel and desktop stay with amd. damn can't wait till intel kills their p4 line and goes all pentium-m architecture.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=turion64&page=1

oh yeah and they have the exact same problems as we were seeing in the overclocking field.

[Mats]

About the benchmarks, remember that the price difference between a MT-34 ($268) and a 770 ($660 store price (http://www1.shopping.com/xPC-Intel_Pentium_M_770_2_13_GHz_processor_mobile), because Intel lists prices including chipset and wlan) is BIG. It should be compared to a 740 (http://www1.shopping.com/xPC-Pentium_M_740_1_73_GHz) ($250), but the Turion doesn't look so much better even then anyway.

About power consumption, I'm guessing that the nVidia chipset uses at least 15 W more, plus that the mobo power regulators are designed to work with hot running 3700+ in mind, probably lower efficency at 25 W. I'd say the Turion is just as low power as the PM, but it's kinda hard to find a low power mobo for it.

[ozzimark]

BAH! i went to check newegg just a minute ago.
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=507%3A6988&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=343&Submit=Property

see the 3700+? it wasn't there yesterday. my heart skipped a beat.













then i saw BEX.. and DTR :(
went to look at the picture to check, and sure enough, it's the DTR. :slapass:

[NiKoSaLiagOs]

Hi :),

What s the behaviour of the turion with 3x512 Mo ram ? 1T ? big fsb ? please tell me :slobber:

[ozzimark]

if you look back in the thread, the guys seem to be having troubles with ram, and could not get 3 sticks to work properly. perhaps this will be sorted out with a bios update, but for now... :(

[NiKoSaLiagOs]

other note:
-played around with three sticks again at 2T timings under ddr400 speeds. (with all settings on auto) can't get past post. (whereas my 62w 3400 claw can do 2-2-2-5 2T ddr432 all day with three sticks)


There is no way to improve this :confused:

[ozzimark]

i think it is a bios problem at the moment. we will see if the support can be improved. i really hope so

[Vandi423]

Anything yet ozzimark?

[ozzimark]

as of 2 seconds ago, nope :(

[ozzimark]

well, here's what i got from amd. i'm not too pleased :slap:

Hello Mark,

Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center.

Unfortunately, this office can only provide you with technical
specifications for AMD desktop processors only. For information
regarding your mobile AMD processor, please contact your laptop
manufacturer or get in contact with your local sales office
representative provided on the following link:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_3559_710^762,00.html
, for further assistance with this matter. I apologize for any
inconvenience this may have caused you.

Regards,
Liza
Customer Support Analyst
AMD TSC

hopefully the newegg email will come back soon

[reject]

im not getting another 754 cpu anymore since my mobo is dead :(
so sorry no sub zero tests

[ozzimark]

aww, that sucks man. :(
what'd you do to it?


and an update, i've got a 3700+ on the way

thanks vandi! :D

[Rabbi_NZ]

aww, that sucks man. :(
what'd you do to it?


and an update, i've got a 3700+ on the way

thanks vandi! :D
ozzi, is it the new 90nm SSE3 Mobile 3700+ CPUs?! :D

[ozzimark]

yup :toast:

no more of this wretched clawhammer that refuses to go over 2.3ghz for me!

[blueworm]

ozzi is it here yet?
Please dont forget to try on k8n neo. I'm stuck with 2 of em now. My platinum died so that's in rma bought a k8n-fsr for the mean while. Its the same board just no ieee1394 or SATA 1 & 2.

[ozzimark]

no, i don't think it'll be until the middle of next week or so.
i'll try the k8n neo for you though. i'm gonna have to update the bios though.. i think i was using 1.4b5, which doesn't play nice with the mobiles

[frostedflakes]

Be sure to let us know how it does ozzi. Vandi's distributor was sold out of the 3400+, so it looks like it'll be a couple weeks (hopefully) before i'm able to get one of these new mobiles. :)

[ozzimark]

yeah, he told me about that. i feel bad that you didn't get one yet :(

but! i do! :D:D
further discussion with vandi puts the chip with me (hopefully) on wednesday. luckily, wednesday i don't have any classes, so i'll have all day from when the package gets in to play with stuff.


getting the neo working might take up most of my time though, as i have to install the clawhammer in it, flash to the latest beta bios (any recommendations guys? i've been out of the loop with the neo for a while. last i heard 1.52 is the first one with mobile support),then get the newark in, and get some screens from it. :toast:


then after that, i'll switch back to dfi (bios 4/15) and do some stability testing before i go oc'ing anything.
hopefully i'll be able to get some good results by the weekend

[buzzly]

For people who still care, memoryexpousa.com has the Turion MT-28 2800+ for $199 right now.

[buzzly]

Memoryexpousa.com has really funky pricing. I got a 2800+ Oakville from them for $112. Now they have a really good deal on 3400+ mobile Clawhammer for $183.

AFAIK, this is one of the few places selling Turion.

[ozzimark]

it's worth pointing out that the mobile you speak of is actually the 1.5v DTR part ;)



vandi, do i read this right:
TMDML40BKX5LD???
that's... the 2.2ghz turion? :toast:

[frostedflakes]

Yeah, I noticed memoryexpo put the Turion up a few days ago. I actually emailed them about the new 90nm Athlon64 mobiles also, so we'll see what they have to say.

[ozzimark]

a size comparison to my clawhammer (sorry for the terrible picture)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29677



the newark itself.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29676



two pictures = 2,000 words.
i should have it by wednesday, hopefully tested on both boards (k8n neo plat and lanparty ut-nf3) by that night. :toast:

[Vandi423]

:banana:



:clap:

EDIT: Start a thread for it when you begin. Especially if the results look good.

[ozzimark]

i definitly will :D

also, i just checked fedex. it's on the way. it was awesome doing business with you vandi :toast:

[Vandi423]

:D ok

[ozzimark]

well, it's in! i'll make a thread on it later, but for now, i can verify that it works on both the k8n neo (bios 1.6) and ut-nf3 (bios 4/15)

[tristancarton]

awesome. we want benchies. we want benchies. hehe. j/k. post when you get the time and have decent results. just glad to see it in your hands and up and running. (once again vandi rocks)
well, it's in! i'll make a thread on it later, but for now, i can verify that it works on both the k8n neo (bios 1.6) and ut-nf3 (bios 4/15)

[Vandi423]

Yay!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :toast:

tristancarton :toast:

[amd4me]

I'm sorry if this seems rahter newbish but what thi deal with all these new chips the x2 and the sandiego and venice.
Whats so special about the turion?

[frostedflakes]

Absolutely nothing. It's basically a San Diego that has been optimized to consume very little power.

[=[PULSAR]=]

Anyone have a notebook or laptop with a Turion yet, curious to see how or if they overclock on a mobile platform.

[ozzimark]

not sure if anyone has one around here, but for those looking:
http://global.acer.com/products/notebook/as5000.htm :toast:

[krojczy]

Where in USA can i get Turion ?

[Mats]

Where in USA can i get Turion ?
http://www.memoryexpousa.com/amdmobilecpu.html

fr0stedflakes want to seel his as well, you can see his results earlier in this thread. Turion are not the best overclockers in the world.
Mobile A64E<Newark> is a better choice (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61428) for that although they're still quite hard to find.

[krojczy]

does ozzimark uses the mobile a64 at venic core? does newark is the same as venic? would http://www.memoryexpousa.com/amdatmo28754.html be the good choice for OC? where can i get newark?

[Mats]

S939:
A64D 512 kB: Winchester
A64E 512 kB: Venice
A64E 1024 kB: San Diego

S754:
low power Mobile A64D 512 kB: Oakville (Probably a S754 Winchester, though I've never seen any good overclocks)

T64 512/1024 kB: Successor to Oakville (Special mobile core, not the best overclockers. Don't know the codename for Turion core, is it Lancaster? Just guessing...)

Mobile A64E 1024 kB: Newark (These are the closest to San Diego you can get on S754 AFAIK. Very new on the market, showed up shortly after T64 but I still haven't seen them i any retail store)

Since you're from Poland you could probably find a CPU in Germany or Denmark, like www.itbutikken.dk or www.shg.dk

[majkel84]

S939:
A64D 512 kB: Winchester
A64E 512 kB: Venice
A64E 1024 kB: San Diego

S754:
low power Mobile A64D 512 kB: Oakville (Probably a S754 Winchester, though I've never seen any good overclocks)

T64 512/1024 kB: Successor to Oakville (Special mobile core, not the best overclockers. Don't know the codename for Turion core, is it Lancaster? Just guessing...)

Mobile A64E 1024 kB: Newark (These are the closest to San Diego you can get on S754 AFAIK. Very new on the market, showed up shortly after T64 but I still haven't seen them i any retail store)

Since you're from Poland you could probably find a CPU in Germany or Denmark, like www.itbutikken.dk or www.shg.dk

good guess..

here you are:

Shentech ships worldwide.
Just got one from them (CABSE 0515).

http://store.yahoo.com/shentech/amn3700bkx5bu.html

[krojczy]

is it newark ???

[Vandi423]

More Turion Action.

I got this baby last week before it was announced. :D


http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4160/turionmt373qn.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4558/turionopn2pb.jpg

I am running the official May 2005 BIOS for the DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb. I have been able to run Turions (Lancaster) and Newarks (90nm Mobile Athlon 64) on an old Asus K8V-SE with the latest BIOS. I don't have an Abit board so there is no way for me to find out.

[toledo]

More Turion Action.

I got this baby last week before it was announced. :D



I am running the official May 2005 BIOS for the DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb. I have been able to run Turions (Lancaster) and Newarks (90nm Mobile Athlon 64) on an old Asus K8V-SE with the latest BIOS. I don't have an Abit board so there is no way for me to find out.

Well , lets see some overclockin/benching action :D . Very nice . Just waiting ....

[frostedflakes]

Very nice indeed.

Also, I've done some more digging into Turion, and according to AMD tech docs, Lancaster and Newark are both based on the same silicon (rev. SH-E5). I believe that the early Turions were poor overclockers because it was a new low-power design, and AMD hadn't yet worked all the bugs out of it. But if the overclocking results of Newark are any sign, by about week 15 of '05 AMD had E5 cores that were very capable of running high speeds.

Just my $0.02. What are the full specs of your rig Vandi? I'm still running your old Turion MT-34. :toast:

[cupra]

Well , lets see some overclockin/benching action :D . Very nice . Just waiting ....


that will be nice (and whit vapo it will be nicer) :toast:

[ex.treme]

Try oc and post cpu mark, super pi and other bench.